The Official Cavs vs. Magic thread

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Be serious. Don't try to reverse the role because Kobe always gets criticized for not being able to make his teammates better. Mo Williams, Z, and West are clearly have a bad shooting SERIES.and they struggle against this particular team.. has NOTHING to do with making Lebron making his teammates better.... be critically-honest man... I know you know better than that.

Eewwll, maybe I could avoid doing that if it wasn't for the fact that people said the reason why Kobe's teammates didn't do well - pre-Pau - is because they had no confidence when Kobe passed them the ball.

Maybe Lebron should take less shots, and spend more time building the confidence of his slumping teammates. I mean, at the end of the day, he is averaging 42, and behind 2-1. Maybe it's time he tries a different approach, because scoring a ton of points every night could possibly send him home in the next two games.
 
Exactly. That's why they need Joe Smith on the floor or Ben Wallace. They need more minutes



He was on him at some points in Game 2 and minimally here, but they run the same pick and roll with Hedo and Howard. That's their game. The Magic did the same thing when LeBron was on Lewis.

And there's the problem. Do you sacrifice Offense for Defense? Joe Smith
and Ben are probably better on defense for dealing with hedo and rashard but
Dwight.....don't know. You'd probably be better off with Z and Vareajo for size
reasons, making it harder for dwight but then they're both to slow for hedo and lewis so.. Cavs have picked their posion.
 
Its not looking good. CLE's getting exposed.

It's really not surprising. The Cavs have struggled against the Magic over the last 3 seasons. The Magic just pose all types of matchup problems that the Cavs wouldn't face with the Lakers or the Nuggets.
 
i've said it too many times but

the rockets are much better than the hawks and pistons

they got the personnel to lock lebron down AND his second option. and the speed to keep them on their heels on the offensive end, and the low post tough guys in scola and landry

dont sleep on the rockets at all. they'd push the cavs to 7 too.

Thank you.
 
LOL..Charles Barkley was asked why he didn't buy women watches

"Because there's a clock on the stove"

Fuckin hilarious :lol:
 
I guess Bron will be going to NY afterall or he could shuffle over to the Bulls and play with DRose and Amare

I never understood why the Cavs didn't do what was necessary to put a solid team around Bron???

MoWilliams and West are garbage hasn't. Z is old and Varejao is just a high energy player that does.....nothing. Their bench sucks.
They are essentially the Lakers last year pre Gasol and Kobe's temper tantrum.

Its not looking good. CLE's getting exposed.

:confused::confused::confused:Didn't the Cavs have the best record in the league this year and only lost TWICE at home, if thats not a solid team then i don't know what is:smh:
 
What did I miss? he must have gotten on the refs?

Press wanted a response from Van Gundy about the block Howard made on Bron in the 4th qtr......Van Gundy said, "Nope, I won't respond.....You saw the play....You respond! I'll get fined if I respond! You won't!!!"
 
Eewwll, maybe I could avoid doing that if it wasn't for the fact that people said the reason why Kobe's teammates didn't do well - pre-Pau - is because they had no confidence when Kobe passed them the ball.

Huge difference. Kobe clearly was overshooting and disrupting the offense. This was over seasons and had nothing to do with it being "necessary". Because he's often done is POST-Gasol not knowing when to just let the game come to him.

Also, Kobe was not shooting at a HIGH percentage. He was just taking lots of field goal attempts during the time you are referring.

Maybe Lebron should take less shots, and spend more time building the confidence of his slumping teammates. I mean, at the end of the day, he is averaging 42, and behind 2-1. Maybe it's time he tries a different approach, because scoring a ton of points every night could possibly send him home in the next two games.

He's shooting 55 percent from the field. He's not chucking the ball. 55 percent is an OUTSTANDING percentage from the field. He doesn't need to change his approach beyond being even more aggressive in driving to the basket because it's obvious he can't be contained going to the rack. His teammates just need to make their shoots or shoot BETTER shots...ESPECIALLY Mo Williams who is making horrible decisions on both sides of the ball.

Lebron is scoring by default.
 
...and he's down 2-1. If not for that last shot, it could have been 3-0.

But, it's like I said earlier: He needs to make his teammates better. Maybe his scoring is damaging to his team, and he needs to spend more time getting his teammates involved.

Nah, Supreme Coon... maybe he just needs better players :smh:
 
the major fuckup is that cleveland ran through two teams earlier on, a team that pretty much quit soon as chauncey billups was traded, and a team that was injury plagued and still searching for an identity. they looked at the lakers going to 7 against the rockets and assumed incorrectly that they were bad and the cavs were invincible. they looked at the magic, going 7 in two straight series as them stumbling their way through the playoffs.

shit the way it looks now, only the nuggets have been consistently rolling, because even in their losses they were there until the end.
 
Teams like the Rocket's are dangerous because the level of pressure to succeed doesn't even compare to what the Lakers and Cavs deal with. When you're not expected to win, you're able to play more loosely, while the higher seeded team feels pressure to play the perfect game...

It's the reason why the Lakers are playing better against Denver. They actually take that team seriously. I believe the Lakers were arrogant, and thought talent was enough to beat the Rocket's. I mean, if that's not it, we're saying that the Rocket's, minus Yao and Tracy, are better than the Lakers.
 
I guess Bron will be going to NY afterall or he could shuffle over to the Bulls and play with DRose and Amare

I never understood why the Cavs didn't do what was necessary to put a solid team around Bron???

MoWilliams and West are garbage hasn't. Z is old and Varejao is just a high energy player that does.....nothing. Their bench sucks. They are essentially the Lakers last year pre Gasol and Kobe's temper tantrum.

Its not looking good. CLE's getting exposed.

funny that this was not said when they had the best record in the regular season.....or when they ran through the pistons & hawks....they just ran into a better team....i mean this isn't the first round anymore :hmm:
 
cleveland doesn't have a true post option. lebron is lethal in the paint but he gets his off layups and dunks. he cant back his man down and get him with a hook, or even a fadeaway. he bullies his way to the rim, and his jumper is unreliable, and he gets a ton of calls to the point where he is literally untouchable.
 
A yo...TNT fuckin up real bad right now...Really...W/ The nappy headed ass jokes..

Please tell me I wasn't the only one who just saw that..:eek:
 
And there's the problem. Do you sacrifice Offense for Defense? Joe Smith
and Ben are probably better on defense for dealing with hedo and rashard but
Dwight.....don't know. You'd probably be better off with Z and Vareajo for size
reasons, making it harder for dwight but then they're both to slow for hedo and lewis so.. Cavs have picked their posion.

Well, it's a two-way street on this...If the Cavs admit that they cannot stop them on the offensive end, then they should start Joe Smith b/c he's much better on offense than Varejao IMO. Back on the defensive end, put him on Turkoglu or Lewis up high...Sure it may sacrifice him getting taken off the dribble, but they have to get one of those guys off the 3pt line...

Still doesn't excuse the guards rotation defense...they still leave Alston and Lee wide open looks...
 
Frankly, I'm loving it. When they were sweeping through the playoffs, Lebron was god.

Now he's looking very mortal, and everyone is blaming his teammates. If Kobe has to take the blame for every loss, then I don't see how Lebron can be let off the hook.

The funny thing is, I actually don't believe you can blame the superstar of the team for every time the team lose, but that's the standard Kobe is held to. Since Lebron is the best in the game, he definitely should be held to the same standard.

church

:smh::smh::smh:

While you did make a good point about West's defense, where was their FG shooting at? EVERYBODY was struggling from the floor this game, including West and Williams....AGAIN.

They're gonna need more offense if they're going to win this series, and they SHOULD put in Joe at PF to start.

west was 5-11. i dont really call that struggling. and the point is most of those looks werent catch and shoot. if you watched that game you know he created. especially in the fourth, he held his own getting the shots he wanted. (not to mention again his defense on turkey was great). williams is another story, but even he has hit big three's. your superstar taking all those shots and missing all those fts has to be held accountable. nobody has said shyt about last game with cleveland being up by double digits, and the magic making their run on them while bron was in the game, but that's because he hit the game winner, so now when they do the same shyt (i.e. hold it down with him on the bench) and when he's brought in to close he doesnt do it, he's got to get some of that blame.

its a high risk-high reward game.
 
Huge difference. Kobe clearly was overshooting and disrupting the offense. This was over seasons and had nothing to do with it being "necessary". Because he's often done is POST-Gasol not knowing when to just let the game come to him.

Also, Kobe was not shooting at a HIGH percentage. He was just taking lots of field goal attempts during the time you are referring.



He's shooting 55 percent from the field. He's not chucking the ball. 55 percent is an OUTSTANDING percentage from the field. He doesn't need to change his approach beyond being even more aggressive in driving to the basket because it's obvious he can't be contained going to the rack. His teammates just need to make their shoots or shoot BETTER shots...ESPECIALLY Mo Williams who is making horrible decisions on both sides of the ball.

Lebron is scoring by default.

Meh...

It's all about winning and losing; scoring and missing.

If Kobe scores 50 tomorrow, and they win by 1, they will say he willed his team to a victory. If he scores 50, and they lose, he hogged the ball, and should have gotten his teammates involved.

If Jordan would have missed that switch-hands-in-the-air lay-up against the Lakers, it would have been considered a forced/bad shot. He hit the shot, and it's now considered one of the greatest play-off highlights in history.

Kobe's "over-shooting" is called being aggressive when they go in, and they win. Him starting games out by trying to get his teammates involved is considered passive when they lose.

Winning cures everything. It's such a strong influence on how people perceive things, no one remembers, or care to talk about, any of Michael Jordan's off the court short-comings. Without those six rings, Michael Jordan would be considered a ball-hogging, gambling, adulterer, who lusted after blond haired, blue eyed, white women.

Edit: I forgot to add that, when the Cavs are winning, it's because Lebron is great at making his teammates better. When they lose, he needs better teammates.
 
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WHERE ALL THE DUDES TALKIN ABOUT A CAVS SWEEP IN 4 OR CAVS WIN IN 5


I CANT HEAR THEM CLEVELAND FANS NOW!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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"You"
Where up 2-1, Lemme right In the biggest boldest bluest font I can get to say were up 1 game.:hmm:
 
cavs should be down 3 - 0.

the 1 on 5 lebron james offense ain't working for them.

coach better update his resume TONITE.
 
nah man. Regular season don't mean -ish. They were having fun and alot of teams were just in awe of Bron. Go to their team site and look @ the stats.

It was all Bron. Shoot the Lakers would have posted a better record had Bynum not went down.

They should have pulled the trigger on that Jamison deal. It would have at least given Bron an upgrade in the post capable of 20/10.

The Cavs are built around Bron with weak parts

Look @ all the remaining teams

Lakers
built around - Kobe but he has Gasol, Odom and Bynum

Nuggets
built around - Melo but he has Billups, KMart, JRSmith and Nene. Only thing is KMart and JRSmith have the bball IQ of a raisin

Magic
built around DHoward but he has RLewis......, well they're only here because KG was hurt

Cavs
built around Bron but he has MoWilliams ................. see what I mean??

don't say DWest and Big Z, playing next to Bron will make you look like phenominal.

hmmm the magic are more than howard and lewis

also it dont matter the celtics would have beat the cavs too

the cavs despite their record have a very weak frontcourt that got exposed. and guards that are too short!!
 
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