The Obama Deception - Google Video
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A 1:51 long video is not realistic for this forum, but I have to admit Obama is doing a hellava job. I was skeptical but he is walking the walk not just talking the talk. The way he's handled Wall Street and the Banking industry while dealing with Health, Infrastructure and the war shows that this man is not to be taken lightly, he really could be the Change he promised.
As far as the video, some will watch, others won't. But it's there in its entirety for anyone who chooses to.
As far him walking the walk, I totally disagree. He hasn't handled Wall Street and the banking industry, he's feeding them.
While campaigning he said he pull the troops from Iraq within 6 months... Not gonna happen.
I don't really even have the time to go into the healthcare or infrastructure issues. Check the vid out when you have some time, then give your analysis...
It's going to take a few months for his economic plan to show results on the job front but the Market is up almost 700 points this week and jobs can't be too far behind. This is without bowing down o Wall Street or Fortune 500 companies. His message seems to be l am running this country.
The war in Iraq won't end anytime soon but troops will start leaving and Iraqis will be forced to protect themselves. It's hard to see them going back to the old ways. Afghanistan will be a challenge but by talking to the Taliban and tribal leaders he will a hands on feel to where things stand, something tells me that's all he needs.
The Infrastructure has been funded, it's just a matter of hiring people and money has been earmarked for healthcare.
All this in 2 months, that's doing it big, real big.
Please check the vid when you have the opportunity, and do so with an open mind. Then, if you agree with everything you've just said after that, then so be it.
I'll respect your intelligence (which you definitely have) regardless. I just think you could use some info outside of your conceptual framework right now.
He's fulfilled 13 percent of his campaign promises in 3 percent of his term. That's walking the walk.
However, I'm not convinced of the way they are handling the economic crisis just yet. However, his Administration has been in office for a VERY short time so they can't be expected to solve all the problems Bush left overnight
I'll peep. Only time will tell.
The film is an attempt to show the public Obama is working for the same people Bush was working for (the banking elite). I haven't watched it yet but it should raise some interesting questions.
Question: Who's winning the War on Terror?
Answer: The Bankers who finance the operations! They get principle plus interest, so as long as we're fighting, We, as a nation are falling deeper into debt.
I'll leave ya'll with a couple of quotes, hopefully, to generate some real thought.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790
"If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered" - Thomas Jefferson
Question: Who's winning the War on Terror?
Answer: The Bankers who finance the operations! They get principle plus interest, so as long as we're fighting, We, as a nation are falling deeper into debt.
I'll leave ya'll with a couple of quotes, hopefully, to generate some real thought.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790
"If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered" - Thomas Jefferson
He's fucking up. Sorry. Point blank on the economic issue..Keynesian policies will NOT work in this type of economic clusterfuck. The insolvent banks MUST swallow their losses and if some fail, let em. He is protecting these institutions by pouring your money into their "black hole" balance sheets.
I listened and I watched, for five full minutes and not one single "fact" to support
the deception conclusion contained in the title to this thread. I did come to one
conclusion, that some people are apparently just predisposed to believing that
there is always, always, some dark, secret, unknown, untouchable and conspiratorial
force that is running shit.
It troubles me greatly when I see people willing to allow others to present to them
a series of unconnected and unrelated facts to reach wild and outlandish conclusions
and to advance nutcase agendas.
Seriously, these people are the same ones quick to call other people sheep -- but are
themselves quick to become the sheep they describe others as being. A-fuking-Mazing.
The way I see it, its the sheep calling the sheep, sheep. Hell, LOL, I guess it takes one
to know one. LOL
Please, Please; you know who you are. Please (1) try to understand what the issue is;
(2) learn how to determine whether what is being advanced as fact, is in fact, a fact;
and, (3) as best you can, determine whether the fact actually proves or disproves the issue.
If you haven't studied or been exposed to logical fallacies, please get it touch with and
understand them.
Its not too late. Even if you've F'd up your parents money (or your money for that matter),
you can still make amends. Take some courses, attend some seminars, do some research,
do whatever -- but please, find out about, study and practice: logical reasoning.
QueEx
P.S.
The video is now at the 37 minute mark and it STILL is an absolute waste.
AND, whoever says its not just junk, PLEASE take the time to set out a series
of faccts from the article and state the conclusion they support.
Thanking you in advance.
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the deception conclusion contained in the title to this thread. I did come to one
conclusion, that some people are apparently just predisposed to believing that
there is always, always, some dark, secret, unknown, untouchable and conspiratorial
force that is running shit.
It troubles me greatly when I see people willing to allow others to present to them
a series of unconnected and unrelated facts to reach wild and outlandish conclusions
and to advance nutcase agendas.
Seriously, these people are the same ones quick to call other people sheep -- but are
themselves quick to become the sheep they describe others as being. A-fuking-Mazing.
The way I see it, its the sheep calling the sheep, sheep. Hell, LOL, I guess it takes one
to know one. LOL
Please, Please; you know who you are. Please (1) try to understand what the issue is;
(2) learn how to determine whether what is being advanced as fact, is in fact, a fact;
and, (3) as best you can, determine whether the fact actually proves or disproves the issue.
If you haven't studied or been exposed to logical fallacies, please get it touch with and
understand them.
Its not too late. Even if you've F'd up your parents money (or your money for that matter),
you can still make amends. Take some courses, attend some seminars, do some research,
do whatever -- but please, find out about, study and practice: logical reasoning.
QueEx
P.S.
The video is now at the 37 minute mark and it STILL is an absolute waste.
AND, whoever says its not just junk, PLEASE take the time to set out a series
of faccts from the article and state the conclusion they support.
Thanking you in advance.
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QueEx, out of curiousity, What do you specifically disagree with?
Didn't Mr. Obama vote for the Banker Takeover Bill?
Didn't he recieve 3.5 times more donations from the Banking industry from McCain?
Did you see the clip where Alan Greenspan indicates the Federal Reserve is accountable to nobody?
Didn't Mr. Obama vote with Bush regarding FISA?
Didn't Mr. Obama vote to Re-Authorize the Patriot Act in 2006?
I'll say it again:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790
Didn't Mr. Obama vote for the Banker Takeover Bill?
Didn't he recieve 3.5 times more donations from the Banking industry from McCain?
Did you see the clip where Alan Greenspan indicates the Federal Reserve is accountable to nobody?
Didn't Mr. Obama vote with Bush regarding FISA?
Didn't Mr. Obama vote to Re-Authorize the Patriot Act in 2006?
I'll say it again:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790
QueEx, out of curiousity, What do you specifically disagree with?
Eh,...it is what it is. Go on you tube and watch him take the Oath. Tell me what did you see when the part of preserve, protect and defend the constitution came up. Watch his gesture and tell me what you think that means.
Do the same with Biden, watch his eyes when the get to the part about "having mental reservation". Check those out and get back to me.
I think Obama knows history and he knows he can only tread so far with the moneymen. Ask JFK how that turned out.
Do the same with Biden, watch his eyes when the get to the part about "having mental reservation". Check those out and get back to me.
I think Obama knows history and he knows he can only tread so far with the moneymen. Ask JFK how that turned out.
Obama Says U.S. Can’t Afford ‘Bubble-and-Bust’ Cycles
Kim Chipman Kim Chipman – Thu Mar 12, 5:13 pm ET
March 12 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama warned a group of chief executive officers that the U.S. can’t continue with “endless cycles of bubble and bust” and must build a new foundation for future economic growth.
The financial markets crisis is only part of the challenge to the U.S. economy, Obama told the Washington-based Business Roundtable today.
The current turmoil can’t be used “as an excuse to keep ignoring the long-term threats to our prosperity” from the rising costs of health care and energy and a faltering education system, Obama said to the group, which is made up of CEOs from U.S. companies including Citigroup Inc., Exxon Mobil Corp. and General Motors Corp.
Obama is campaigning to maintain public support for his economic strategy, which includes new government spending as part of a $787 billion stimulus plan and stabilizing the banking industry and housing, as well as tackling the health-care system, energy and education. He also is defending his plans against critics among congressional Republicans and some Democrats.
‘Fundamental’ to Growth
“I’m not choosing to address these additional challenges just because I feel like it, or because I’m a glutton for punishment,” Obama told the business leaders. “I’m doing so because they are fundamental to our economic growth and to ensuring that we don’t have more crises like this in the future.”
Kim Chipman Kim Chipman – Thu Mar 12, 5:13 pm ET
March 12 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama warned a group of chief executive officers that the U.S. can’t continue with “endless cycles of bubble and bust” and must build a new foundation for future economic growth.
The financial markets crisis is only part of the challenge to the U.S. economy, Obama told the Washington-based Business Roundtable today.
The current turmoil can’t be used “as an excuse to keep ignoring the long-term threats to our prosperity” from the rising costs of health care and energy and a faltering education system, Obama said to the group, which is made up of CEOs from U.S. companies including Citigroup Inc., Exxon Mobil Corp. and General Motors Corp.
Obama is campaigning to maintain public support for his economic strategy, which includes new government spending as part of a $787 billion stimulus plan and stabilizing the banking industry and housing, as well as tackling the health-care system, energy and education. He also is defending his plans against critics among congressional Republicans and some Democrats.
‘Fundamental’ to Growth
“I’m not choosing to address these additional challenges just because I feel like it, or because I’m a glutton for punishment,” Obama told the business leaders. “I’m doing so because they are fundamental to our economic growth and to ensuring that we don’t have more crises like this in the future.”
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I know I've been gone for awhile but it sure seems there are alot of raw nerves and clenched fist on BGOL concerning Obama lately. I think old man Rotchchild pretty much summed it up. Regardless of your title, position or ideology you can't do squat unless the one(s) with the dough say ok. Truth is neither Obama nor his supporters put together have the money to accomplish his grandiose schemes. So what are the Obamaphiles gonna do?
(1) Please state which words/phrases of KRS' in the video that you feel are important/enlightening, etc.; and
(2) Why do YOU believe they relate to the topic of this thread "The Obama Deception".
Step up; lets here YOUR WORDS.
QueEx
Thats the funniest sh*t I heard all week. How did it work out for Kennedy after he signed Executive Order #11110. Below are some reasons why I see this isn't happening under Mr. Obama.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00213
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/citibank_obama_donors/2009/01/15/171703.html
(1) The Banker Bill. How does voting for the banker bill constitutes deception;
(2) Banking Industry Donations. If it is KNOWN that Obama received more donations from the banking industry than McCain; how does taking whatever action he has taken with respect to the banking industry constitute deception in the face of that KNOWN FACT ???
(3) On Alan Greenspan. I didn't see the Greenspan clip BUT, how, pray tell, does that tend to prove that Mr. Obama is "Deceptive" (please be specific).
(4) Obama's FISA vote. I recall at the time the left when nuts over that vote and I too was a bit confused by Obama's vote since the measure had enough support between the Republicans and remaining Democrats to pass.
Since, however, it would have passed without Mr. Obama's vote AND Mr. McCain was NOT PRESENT FOR THE VOTE; it did occur to me that, perhaps, Mr. Obama's vote was an important tactical move in the overall scheme of things. That is, had Obama voted no, even though McCain was not present, McCain could have, and most certainly would have, slammed that no vote across Obama's head to show that he was soft on defense and soft on terrorists.
One more thing of note with respect to the FISA vote: Mr. Obama WON and you know what the margin of victory was. When the people voted for Obama, they were fully aware of his FISA vote, hence, it could reasonably be argued that the voters didn't consider the FISA vote nearly as pivotal as the importance YOU have placed upon it.
Lastly, I object to your conclusion that Obama voted with Bush. Thats not factual, thats your biased conclusion. Try not to pass your conclusions off, as fact.
(5) Patriot Act Vote. Assuming that he did, while there are certainly parts of the act that I dislike, I can't say that I oppose the Act in its entirety. Moreover, as stated above, the people knew of that vote at the time of the presidential election, and THEY didn't seem to be as concerned about it, as you. AND, since his vote was known, how does that constitute deception ??? Please explain, specifically.
Do you see how your ragtag statements fail to amount to proof of deception ??? Instead, they prove your negative perception of the man ???
QueEx
Honestly...does this describe President Obama. He doesn't seem like the type to follow conventional wisdom. Just because he signed a bill or took donations doesn't mean he will sellout.
Every man has a price, I'll be honest, I don't know Mr. Obama. I can't tell you anything about his intentions. All I do is reflect on what he has done, his voting record speaks volumes. All I do is look at facts, and the man is too smart NOT to know the game
Congratulations: you've have justified Bush's last 8 years with those answers. I hit you with FACTS regarding the domestic and monetary policies outlined by 'W', Paulson & Bernanke. The deception should be obvious: The policies are the same but you're expecting some miraculous change just because you see a different face. All I do is point at the voting records so my interpretations cannot be conceived as subjective.
"ragtag statements" The truth hurt huh?
Let me see if I understand the Banker Takeover Bill: They need taxpayer money to unfreeze the credit markets so that the banks can loan the money back to the taxpayer at interest, in a nutshell, Thats It!
And that crap didn't work! You must question the motives of anyone who supported this.Here's the link to the vote on the Re-Authorization of the Patriot Act of 2006.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00029
Lemarr,
There is an adage:
I simply asked for you to show how your statements (1) through (5) amounted to Mr. Obama being deceptive; and, I asked you if you would be so kind as to be specific, in doing so. You couldn't show us the facts that would show Mr. Obama to have been deceptive; you didn't even attempt to define deception because it would have been obvious that Mr. Obama's actions would not have constituted the same; so, you decided it was better to just confuse the issue to try to make it look like you know what you were talking about, when you didn't. Shame on you.
Your best attempt was to say, "[t]he deception should be obvious: the polices are the same but you're expecting some miraculous change just because you see a different face." Como?
It is extremely hard for me to take you seriously when its just so obvious that you have a bias (when it comes to Mr. Obama) that you can't seem to overcome or get beyond. And, because of that, the rest of your otherwise would-be interesting Libertarian views, are suspect.
QueEx
There is an adage:
(a) When you don't have the law on your side, argue the facts;
(b) When you don't have the facts or your side, argue the law; and
(c) When you don't the facts or the law or your side, just try to confuse the two.
Through what you said above, you just tried to confuse the two.(b) When you don't have the facts or your side, argue the law; and
(c) When you don't the facts or the law or your side, just try to confuse the two.
I simply asked for you to show how your statements (1) through (5) amounted to Mr. Obama being deceptive; and, I asked you if you would be so kind as to be specific, in doing so. You couldn't show us the facts that would show Mr. Obama to have been deceptive; you didn't even attempt to define deception because it would have been obvious that Mr. Obama's actions would not have constituted the same; so, you decided it was better to just confuse the issue to try to make it look like you know what you were talking about, when you didn't. Shame on you.
Your best attempt was to say, "[t]he deception should be obvious: the polices are the same but you're expecting some miraculous change just because you see a different face." Como?
- If the deception is so obvious, how come neither YOU or the poster that started this thread could actually point it out ???
- To simply say that some of Obama's policies may be the same or similar to some of Mr. Bush's policies IS NOT DECEPTION. Mr. Obama hasn't hidden those policy choices; his votes that you mentioned were ON THE RECORD; and he hasn't voted the way you indicated and later tried to get people to believe that he didn't vote, the way he did (which would have been deception)
BTW, not all of Mr. Bush's policies were bad; and
- Why in the hell did you presume or make up the idea that I was "expecting some miraculous change just because see a different face" ???
- When did I say that ???
- Seriously, where did you get that from ???
- Did you make it up because you couldn't substantiate your "Deception Lie" ???
It is extremely hard for me to take you seriously when its just so obvious that you have a bias (when it comes to Mr. Obama) that you can't seem to overcome or get beyond. And, because of that, the rest of your otherwise would-be interesting Libertarian views, are suspect.
QueEx
It has always been accepted in western culture that every man has a price. But in African American culture the dollar has always been looked upon with a certain contempt, that it was in some ways the root of all evil. Black people didn't survive by accepting society's values we did it thru keeping the faith.
Which brings us to President Obama. Although he is biracial he is the 1st Black president. That goes deeper than ethnicity, theres a history there, he represents a set of values different than what we're accustomed to in the Oval Office.
It's too early to know where he's going with his admin, but he really could be the change he promised.
I'll make this quick and to the point: The guy ran his campaign around the theme "Change". Domestic policy is the same, Foreign policy has accelerated, if anything, and with regards to Monetary policy, he is "OutBushing Bush"! His voting record only supports my points.
I'm bout to go get a drink after that - peace!And you are correct, it is early! He has the intelligence and charisma to mobilize the nation, I don't doubt that. I'm just of the opinion that the Banks make the rules. Once we, as a nation, come together and identify the banks as the source of most of our problems, We can move forward.
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Yeah, you might as well have a drink, or two or three. Perhaps the alcohol might help you see what is very obvious: you still haven't shown deceptiveness, just your disagreement with the actions the president has taken. But then again, since you're trying to hide behind your disagreement while blaming the president, maybe you have shown deception -- your own.
QueEx
Yeah, you might as well have a drink, or two or three. Perhaps the alcohol might help you see what is very obvious: you still haven't shown deceptiveness, just your disagreement with the actions the president has taken. But then again, since you're trying to hide behind your disagreement while blaming the president, maybe you have shown deception -- your own.
QueEx
The deception QueEx is what he said he wouldn't do, he's been doing since he got elected lol.
Obama was not the first President to warn against boom and bust cycles. Truman spoke of it in is 1948 campaign.
The Federal Reserve (a private bank) has created every boom and every bust since 1913. Why - Because they dictate monetary policy
I'll say it again: "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790
See - the game aint changed much since 1790
I like when KRS stated in reference to the Burger King issue.
Que Ex do really believe Obama is running the USA?
There was no way Obama was going to win the election before the Banker engineered Wall St. collasped happened. Obama was chosen by the Bilderberg Group in June 2008 to be the next President of the USA. Obama is nothing but a puppet front man for the new world order and they just needed a new face to carry their agenda at the end of the the day it is the same mask but different face.
Que Ex do really believe Obama is running the USA?
There was no way Obama was going to win the election before the Banker engineered Wall St. collasped happened. Obama was chosen by the Bilderberg Group in June 2008 to be the next President of the USA. Obama is nothing but a puppet front man for the new world order and they just needed a new face to carry their agenda at the end of the the day it is the same mask but different face.
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