Let's End This Debate: Meat eaters Get In Here

[RBGrider]

Let's deal with the issue of meat eating once and for all:


The biological argument for vegetarianism has greater validity than the moral one. It would appear scientifically that the human body is not designed to subsist on meat. The two aspects of the human anatomy may suggest that vegetarian food is the normal food for humans. The first is the composition of human teeth (where molars are more important than the incisors), and the other is the rather large ratio of the length of the intestines to the body length in humans. Carnivores have incisor teeth to tear the flesh, and short intestines as the putrefying meat has to be expelled from the body as soon as possible. The human body is closer to that of herbivores, but not exclusive herbivores who have a different structure to their stomachs. Also the harmful effects from the consumption of animal products (e.g. cholesterol) are not counterbalanced by the alleged lack of high grade protein in vegetarian diets. On balance the biological argument seems to favor vegetarianism over meat-eating.

 

[Blu Diablo]

Humans are Omnivorous, thus the similarities and differences with herbivores and pure carnivores.

 

[Machete]

You can eat leaves if u want, I'm sticking to these.

 

[cjb]

If it was wrong to eat animals, they would've never been made of meat.


bottom line.

 

[Mr.O]

And for those say its wrong to kill animals and eat them delicious creatures..why not eat them..lions hunt down zebra and other animals eachday, dont forget we are animals to sense aswell.

 

[uptownharlem]

If it was wrong to eat animals, they would've never been made of meat.


bottom line.

lol u a homo, but that was some funny shit

 

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[4sayken]

And for those say its wrong to kill animals and eat them delicious creatures..why not eat them..lions hunt down zebra and other animals eachday, dont forget we are animals to sense aswell.

...because lions have the choice to eat meat or grow a garden full of delicious fruits and vegetables, am i right? im a meat eater, but it just kills me some of the comparisons and analogies that people use to attempt to prove their point.

 

[Fuckallyall]

Let's deal with the issue of meat eating once and for all:


The biological argument for vegetarianism has greater validity than the moral one. It would appear scientifically that the human body is not designed to subsist on meat. The two aspects of the human anatomy may suggest that vegetarian food is the normal food for humans. The first is the composition of human teeth (where molars are more important than the incisors), and the other is the rather large ratio of the length of the intestines to the body length in humans. Carnivores have incisor teeth to tear the flesh, and short intestines as the putrefying meat has to be expelled from the body as soon as possible. The human body is closer to that of herbivores, but not exclusive herbivores who have a different structure to their stomachs. Also the harmful effects from the consumption of animal products (e.g. cholesterol) are not counterbalanced by the alleged lack of high grade protein in vegetarian diets. On balance the biological argument seems to favor vegetarianism over meat-eating.

Then why do we have canine teeth, and the type of incisors for both splitting vegeatation and piercing meat ? Also, we have certain enzymes that only work on meat. Also, the human intestine is designend to absorb nutrients from meat, as well as vegetation. Also, there is no alleged lack of high grade protien, as there are a couple of types of amino acids that exist only in meat. We are omnivores, not herbivores, but if y'all want act superior, go on, enjoy.

P.S., the enamel on human teeth is much too thin to chew constantly on gritty vegetation. So either we were designed to wash all our food, or, not to always eat just vegetation.

 

[gene cisco]

Humans are Omnivorous, thus the similarities and differences with herbivores and pure carnivores.

YES, this is true.

But using this the best is to eat FISH(so much is polluted now ) and veggies and fruit to maximize life.

Red meat like buffalo has the "good fats" that fish have. Shit is different than beef and pork.

The other meat we can sure eat, but to maximize your life health I think a diet of fish, healthy fats, and veggies the best, thus we are omni.

 

[cjb]

Not really related but how can we judge Mike Vick for what he did when pigs are smarter than dogs but we eat tons of bacon every year?


everybody just stop judging...let us eat our meat and yall eat yall salads.


Did Jesus ever judge ppl back in the day when they would slaughter the lambs for sacrifice? When he told the story about the prodigal son, at the end of it didn't the father fatten a calf for a feast?

Jesus had no problem with meat-eating/animal slaughter but yall do? Pathetic.

 

[RBGrider]

Then why do we have canine teeth, and the type of incisors for both splitting vegeatation and piercing meat ? Also, we have certain enzymes that only work on meat. Also, the human intestine is designend to absorb nutrients from meat, as well as vegetation. Also, there is no alleged lack of high grade protien, as there are a couple of types of amino acids that exist only in meat. We are omnivores, not herbivores, but if y'all want act superior, go on, enjoy.

P.S., the enamel on human teeth is much too thin to chew constantly on gritty vegetation. So either we were designed to wash all our food, or, not to always eat just vegetation.

Well you don't have the dentition to eat flesh..which is why your eat must be cooked and tenderized for you to consume. Hunters and meat eaters have evolved certain types of dentition. Cats which are dedicated carnivores and dogs which are omnivores (by virtue of them being more scavenger than hunter) have large canine teeth or fangs for grasping prey and holding onto to it. Both cats and dogs have 4 canine teeth. Humans do not have fangs or canine teeth they have cuspids which while pointed like the canine are not meant to grasp and hold prey. Incisors are used to bite off large pieces of food. Consistent with natural meat eaters Cats and dogs both have 12 incisors. Humans have only 8. Next are the molars. The dedicated carnivore, the cat, has only 4 molars while in contrast the dog has 10. The molars in these animals are sharp and are used to shear and chop food. Human molars are flat for grinding. More than half the teeth of a carnivore are incisors and canine. Humans have dentition more suited to eating food which must be masticated like fruit and nuts and vegetation as oppose to being ripped and swallowed in large chunks like flesh is eaten by carnivores like the cat or even omnivores like the dog. It is also important to note that digestion in humans begins in the mouth with the chemical breakdown of carbohydrates. No chemical digestion occurs in the mouth of cats or dogs, the saliva is used purely as a lubricant for swallowing large chunks of food. The differences in the structure of the jaw bone also alludes to the type of food a creature is designed to eat. Humans jaws are capable of both up and down and side to side movements in a rotating action, this is again consistent with a natural vegetarian which must be able to masticate its food. Cats and dogs jaw structures only allow up and down movements. It is also instructive to note that while our molars meet top to bottom the molars in cats and dogs do not. This again alludes to our mouth being structured for foods other than meat.



If this is not clear to you then try this experiment: pick an innocuous creature...say a cow or a pig, since so many here love steak and pork chops, go to a farm and jump on one of these creatures and try to eat them with your "canine" teeth...see how far you get.

 

[the_monsterous_monster]

Humans are Omnivorous, thus the similarities and differences with herbivores and pure carnivores.

c/s

Duh!!!

 

[Fuckallyall]

YOu are right that they are MORE suited, not SOLELY suited, to meat. However, please do some research into what I said about the Amino Acids and enamel thickness. And yes, we can bite into small animals, but no large ones. We have the capability to tear the skin of rabbits and the like. We cook food to make the protien more easily digestable and safer, but it is not absolutely necessary.

Also, the cholesterol in beef and pork comes from the feed, not the mere existence. See below.

http://www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htm

 

[voodoo]

Well you don't have the dentition to eat flesh..which is why your eat must be cooked and tenderized for you to consume. Hunters and meat eaters have evolved certain types of dentition. Cats which are dedicated carnivores and dogs which are omnivores (by virtue of them being more scavenger than hunter) have large canine teeth or fangs for grasping prey and holding onto to it. Both cats and dogs have 4 canine teeth. Humans do not have fangs or canine teeth they have cuspids which while pointed like the canine are not meant to grasp and hold prey. Incisors are used to bite off large pieces of food. Consistent with natural meat eaters Cats and dogs both have 12 incisors. Humans have only 8. Next are the molars. The dedicated carnivore, the cat, has only 4 molars while in contrast the dog has 10. The molars in these animals are sharp and are used to shear and chop food. Human molars are flat for grinding. More than half the teeth of a carnivore are incisors and canine. Humans have dentition more suited to eating food which must be masticated like fruit and nuts and vegetation as oppose to being ripped and swallowed in large chunks like flesh is eaten by carnivores like the cat or even omnivores like the dog. It is also important to note that digestion in humans begins in the mouth with the chemical breakdown of carbohydrates. No chemical digestion occurs in the mouth of cats or dogs, the saliva is used purely as a lubricant for swallowing large chunks of food. The differences in the structure of the jaw bone also alludes to the type of food a creature is designed to eat. Humans jaws are capable of both up and down and side to side movements in a rotating action, this is again consistent with a natural vegetarian which must be able to masticate its food. Cats and dogs jaw structures only allow up and down movements. It is also instructive to note that while our molars meet top to bottom the molars in cats and dogs do not. This again alludes to our mouth being structured for foods other than meat.



If this is not clear to you then try this experiment: pick an innocuous creature...say a cow or a pig, since so many here love steak and pork chops, go to a farm and jump on one of these creatures and try to eat them with your "canine" teeth...see how far you get.

STFU and pass the steak sauce

 

[uptownharlem]

STFU and pass the steak sauce

 

[Kaffeine]

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Let's deal with the issue of meat eating once and for all:


The biological argument for vegetarianism has greater validity than the moral one. It would appear scientifically that the human body is not designed to subsist on meat. The two aspects of the human anatomy may suggest that vegetarian food is the normal food for humans. The first is the composition of human teeth (where molars are more important than the incisors), and the other is the rather large ratio of the length of the intestines to the body length in humans. Carnivores have incisor teeth to tear the flesh, and short intestines as the putrefying meat has to be expelled from the body as soon as possible. The human body is closer to that of herbivores, but not exclusive herbivores who have a different structure to their stomachs. Also the harmful effects from the consumption of animal products (e.g. cholesterol) are not counterbalanced by the alleged lack of high grade protein in vegetarian diets. On balance the biological argument seems to favor vegetarianism over meat-eating.

Okay, debate over, you win.


Now you and all other vegans, leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

Then half them vegan-muhfuckas I know smoke and/or drink alcohol.

 

[Mr.O]

...because lions have the choice to eat meat or grow a garden full of delicious fruits and vegetables, am i right? im a meat eater, but it just kills me some of the comparisons and analogies that people use to attempt to prove their point.

I am just sayng that it is not wrong or unhealthy to eat meat. Im comparing our carnivore side not what choices we have to choose certain foods.

 

[forcesteeler]

You can eat leaves if u want, I'm sticking to these.

Im so with you. I don't see what's the big deal with eating meat. Being a Vegan doesn't make you more healthier than any body else. It not like your going to leave a extra 100 years or some shit. You only have 1 Life to live. Now bite the shit out of that steaks

 

[RBGrider]

YOu are right that they are MORE suited, not SOLELY suited, to meat. However, please do some research into what I said about the Amino Acids and enamel thickness. And yes, we can bite into small animals, but no large ones. We have the capability to tear the skin of rabbits and the like. We cook food to make the protien more easily digestable and safer, but it is not absolutely necessary.

Also, the cholesterol in beef and pork comes from the feed, not the mere existence. See below.

http://www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htm

Peace,

The fragility of human teeth is actually an argument against eating meat which is far more taxing then say the consumption of an apple or leafy foods.

There are vegetarian sources for all the essential amnio acids. What is more often an argument for meat eating is the fats that accompany them and their high calorie levels. These too have vegetarian sources including the more important fats like Docosahexaenoic acid or DHA which make up a large percentage of the brains phospholipids.

Digestion
The stomach of a meat eater is extremely acidic in order to coagulate protein. The surface of the stomachs of cats and dogs is covered with mucus to protect the cells of the stomach from being destroyed by the combination of acid and enzymes in the stomach. The stomach of cats and dogs have a pH of around 2. Now you may suggest that with the advent of cooking this issue is irrelevant. Cooking of course is a very recent development and surely your not suggesting that the human digestive system has changed since the introduction of cooking. ?? Even with cooking humans are sickened by ulcers and a host of viral and bacterial ailments from eating highly acidic and bacteria filled meat products.
Food stays in the human digestive system 35 to 45 hours. The length of this digestive process is what assists foods that must be fermented. Do you know what happens to meat in a 98 degree environment for 35 to 45 hours? It’s called putrefaction. Putrefied meats release a host of unfriendly toxins into the body. Consistent with this natural omnivores and carnivores like the dog and cat retain there food for digesting for a fraction of this time and have little or no capacity for fermentation because they lack caecum. Fiber is vital to the human diet, the fermentation of this fiber by bacteria in the large intestine supplies nutrients, particularly short chain fatty acids like butyrate, to the cells which line the large intestine. Butyrate is particularly valuable as an energy source for the cells of the large intestine and has been shown to protect against some forms of colon cancer. Meat contains very little dietary fiber.



Blood Response
The smell and sight of blood for the carnivore or even the omnivore like the dog elicits a HUNGER or time to EAT response – like hmmm “look at that blood or smell that blood I sure am hungry”. Humans do NOT react with hunger or relish at the sight of blood they way you might at the smell of your Moms apple pie.



Will check your link.

 

[RBGrider]

Not really related but how can we judge Mike Vick for what he did when pigs are smarter than dogs but we eat tons of bacon every year?


everybody just stop judging...let us eat our meat and yall eat yall salads.


Did Jesus ever judge ppl back in the day when they would slaughter the lambs for sacrifice? When he told the story about the prodigal son, at the end of it didn't the father fatten a calf for a feast?

Jesus had no problem with meat-eating/animal slaughter but yall do? Pathetic.

Well this is just a debate Ahk you still free to make your own choice - we not tryin to come into yo kitchen and snatch up your steaks.

However eating meat or not isn't simply a personal choice for each choice you make has ramifications beyond you personally.

For example:

To produce a days food for a meat eater takes over 4,000 gallons of water.
To prodice a days food for a lacto-ovo vegetarian 1,200 gallons of water.
To prodcue a days food for a pure vegetarian - 300 gallons of water.
It takes less water to produce a years food supply than to produce 1 months food for a meat eater.
It takes a 100 times more water to produce a pound of meat as it does to produce a pound of wheat.
It takes more water to produce rice than any other gain, but even rice requires only a tenth as much water per pound of production than meat.

"Reports by the General Accounting Office, the Rand Corporation, and the Water Resources Council have made it clear that irrigation water subsidies to livestock producers are economically counterproductive. Every dollar that state governments dole out to livestock producers, in the form of irrigation subsidies, actually costs tax payers over seven dollars in lost wages, higher living costs, and reduced business income..."

"The 17 western states receive limited precipitation, yet their water supplies could support an economy and population twice the size of their present ones. But most of the water goes to produce livestock, either directly or indirectly. Thus, the current water use practices now threatn to undermine the economies of every state in the region"

When you examine the cost of this waste of resources not only in gallons of precious unreplentishable water supplies but in higher electrical costs and consumption is you can begin to see how onerous a problem this is. The state of Texas has reportedly used, in 20 years one-quarter of its entire supply of ground water. Most of that water was used to grow sorghum to feed cattle.

Livestock of the United States produce twenty times as much excrement as the entire human population of the country!! Over half of this staggering production - over a billion tons a year come from confinement operations from which it cannot be recycled.

When Newsweek asked Dr. Harold Bernard about runoff of these nitrate filled wastes from feed lots, the EPA agricultural expert did not mince words - he said feedlot wastes are:

"ten to several hundred times more concentrated than raw domestic sewage..When the highly concentrated wastes in a runoff flow into a stream or river, the results can be, and frequently are, catastrophic. The amount of dissolved oxygen in the waterway will be sharply reduced, while levels of ammonia, nitrates phosphates and bacteria soar."

These are the webs of inter and intra connectedness that constitues a violation of divine law and thus allow us to view this subject in terms of "right" or "wrong".

 

[Simply Sickenin']

I ain't saying shit about the moral or biological debate.
All I know is .... if somebody put that in front of you and your response was "oh, no thank you."

YOU'RE A DAMN FOOL






















































Now pass the A1

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Names change, but people don't .... Still Sickenin'

(.... Sig from the Other Site)

 

[RBGrider]

Ever wonder why you need so much sauce and seasoning to eat meat?? onions, garlic, parsley, you tryin to make it taste like a vegetable?

no need for steak sauce to eat this.

 

[keith599]

WHY IS IT WHEN I EAT A LITTLE BEEF, AFTER MAYBE 10-15 MINS MY BELLY HURTS.

YOU CAN NOT LIVE OFF MEAT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE ALONE.

MEAT NOWADAYS IS TAINTED WITH CHEMICALS FROM HORMONES TO STEROIDS
SO THEY CAN HURRY THE GROWTH OF THE ANIMAL.

HUMANS ARE NOT APES AND DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APES, BUT WE ARE CLOSE IN DNA, AND i SAY THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK UPON GORILLAS IN THE WILD NOT ONLY ARE THEY 10 TIMES STRONGER THAN ANY HUMAN, PLUS THEY ARE MASSIVE IN SIZE WITH CLOSE TO 0 BODY FAT AND MOSTLY PURE MUSCLE, THEY MUST BE DOIING SOMTHING RIGHT, SOMETHING NATURAL, AND THAT IS THEY EAT PLANTS ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

EVEN IF YOU EAT ORGANIC MEAT AKA FREE RANGE MEAT YOU CAN STILL GET DISEASE BECAUSE OUR STOMACH ARE NOT DESIGNED TO CONSUME MEAT OR THE FAT FROM MEAT OR THE BLOOD.

 

[VegasGuy]

I saw this on a bumper sticker:
If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

-VG

 

[keith599]

Free Range Meat Would Be Free From Hormones But You Might Still Eat A Little Fat, Along Side As Your Cooking The Meat You Might Be Cooking A Little Blood, And I Know Yall Know What I Am Talking About.

God Said To Adam To Eat Every Herb Bearing A Seed And Eat That For Meat, And I Look At That As A Command To All Humans.

He Did Later Down The Line Allow Humans To Eat Meat, But It Was Not A Command But Rather A Choice

 

[keith599]

I saw this on a bumper sticker:
If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

-VG

LOL YOUR MADE OF THE SAME STUFF ANIMALS ARE MADE OF.

FROM DIRT

 

[RBGrider]

I am just sayng that it is not wrong or unhealthy to eat meat. Im comparing our carnivore side not what choices we have to choose certain foods.

Uh it is wrong and unhealthy. But custom will reconcile people to any atrocity. It is amazing how entrenched the pleasures of the dinning room are....me the pleasures of the bedroom far out-weight those of the dinning room...so better to keep my veins and arteries free of plaque and cholesterol so blood can flow. better to suck some tittay and fuck when I get 70 then suck on a pork chop bone and reminisce about pussy.

 

[three-fifths]

VEGANS REPRESENT!
omnivores would eat a fuckin' dead human if hard pressed.

 

[doggish_098]

Your Body Cant Digest Celluose Thats Why You Shit More On A Pure Vegetable Diet.

 

[Lexx Diamond]

That's a tough debate topic in a sense. I personally don't eat anything that walked on four legs. I eat vegetables, poultry and fish for health reasons since I was 18 or 19. I say to each his how fate is at hand. I wont let my children have beef or pork but I will respect their choice of foods when they are adults and on their own. I stopped eating those foods from what I learned of the affect they have on the digestive system, the way they are slaughtered and processed and the apparent health decline of older family members who took on eating such "rich" foods. Sadly one of the first foods doctors have advised against eating is pork. Unfortunately this advice was always given too late.

 

[Rawness]

omnivores would eat a fuckin' dead human if hard pressed.

...and so would you...

 

[three-fifths]

Let's deal with the issue of meat eating once and for all:

The biological argument for vegetarianism has greater validity than the moral one. It would appear scientifically that the human body is not designed to subsist on meat. The two aspects of the human anatomy may suggest that vegetarian food is the normal food for humans. The first is the composition of human teeth (where molars are more important than the incisors), and the other is the rather large ratio of the length of the intestines to the body length in humans. Carnivores have incisor teeth to tear the flesh, and short intestines as the putrefying meat has to be expelled from the body as soon as possible. The human body is closer to that of herbivores, but not exclusive herbivores who have a different structure to their stomachs. Also the harmful effects from the consumption of animal products (e.g. cholesterol) are not counterbalanced by the alleged lack of high grade protein in vegetarian diets. On balance the biological argument seems to favor vegetarianism over meat-eating.

speak on it!

Okay, debate over, you win.

Now you and all other vegans, leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

most vegans ain't tryna to postulate shit.

however, over the years i have ascertained that most omnivores detest vegans. not all vegans support peta.

Then half them vegan-muhfuckas I know smoke and/or drink alcohol.

i personally do not smoke ANYTHING. it defeats the purpose. duh.

nevertheless, a little alcohol (in moderation) each day IS healthy for most ninjas.

 

[Chicutie]

STFU and pass the steak sauce