The Latino vote is pro-Clinton, not anti-Obama

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It’s not racism that’s been making the difference, it’s a 16-year head start.

By Matt A. Barreto and Ricardo Ramírez

February 7, 2008

The results of Tuesday's primaries brought a renewed and vigorous debate about the Latino vote and the "Latino gap" for Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). States such as California, Illinois, New York, Arizona and New Mexico have very large Latino electorates and were very important battlegrounds. Raoul Contreras claims in his Blowback article "The Bradley effect is still in effect" that Latinos will not vote for a black candidate. The empirical evidence does not match his opinions, and the results from Super Tuesday and other important elections demonstrate Latino willingness to vote for African American candidates. Furthermore, the Latino vote in 2008 should be viewed as a pro-Clinton vote, not an anti-Obama or an anti-black vote, as Contreras and others have suggested.

Without a doubt, Contreras' claims are not supported with credible evidence. It is incorrect to equate Latino support for Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) in 2008 with anti-Obama or anti-black voting patterns. In multiple national surveys and in our own polling among Latinos in Nevada and California, we find that the Clinton advantage is driven primarily by her eight years as first lady and seven years in the Senate. By contrast, in April of last year, a national survey of Latino registered voters found that 35% had no opinion about Obama, compared with only 8% for Clinton. Even as recently as mid-January, the Field Poll reported that 27% of Latinos in California had "no opinion" about Obama.

In short, while Obama has become well known in a relatively short time among political observers, he did not rise to national prominence among Latinos until this campaign. Moreover, this name-recognition advantage for Clinton was enhanced by a strong and aggressive advertising and outreach effort by her campaign and a string of high-profile endorsements. She has hired an independent Latino pollster and aired significantly more Spanish language radio and television ads. This must be contrasted with the Obama campaign's anemic and particularly ineffective outreach effort to the Latino segment of the electorate. Even Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, a prominent Latino supporter of Obama, has criticized the presidential candidate for insufficient outreach to Latinos. In short, there are many reasons why Clinton enjoys a large advantage among Latino voters, and none of them has anything to do with racism.

The claim, then, that her support is somehow evidence of Latino unwillingness to support African American candidates is wrong on its face. Latino voters have demonstrated strong support for African American candidates in the past, across a variety of circumstances. Harold Washington, David Dinkins, Wellington Webb and Ron Kirk were all elected as mayors of major American cities with Latino vote shares from 70% to 80%. More recently African American mayors have won a majority of the Latino vote in elections against white women. In Cleveland's 2005 mayoral contest, Frank Jackson won an estimated 65% of the Latino vote, defeating Jane Campbell. In Inglewood, Roosevelt Dorn won more than 70% of the Latino vote to defeat Judy Dunlap. Contreras is wrong to suggest that that Maxine Waters' congressional district is a poor example of Latino voting for black candidates because more than 80% of Latinos voted for Waters in 2006. Waters herself has stated in a National Public Radio interview that, "somebody said that Latinos wouldn't vote for a black. They vote for me all the time. There are any number of instances where our districts are majority Latino .. .and they vote over and over. I just don't see that."

Obama himself has a strong record of winning Latino votes. In 2000, when Obama challenged incumbent Bobby Rush in the Democratic primary for 1st Congressional District in Illinois, he won more Latino votes than African American votes. In 2004, when he ran for the U.S. Senate Democratic nomination in Illinois, Obama received more Latino votes than Latino candidate Gerry Chico. Claims that Latinos will not vote for Obama are clearly false.

In 1973, when Tom Bradley was elected mayor of Los Angeles, he lost among Latinos, and the punditry then, as now, speculated that Latinos would not vote for a black candidate. But Bradley's political skills and the inherent shared interests of Latino voters and the Bradley coalition reversed this trend. Despite Contreras' anecdote that his grandfather voted against Bradley in 1982, Bradley won an estimated 70% of the Latino vote in his gubernatorial contest. Over 40% of Latino and African American Republicans voted for Bradley, compared with only 15% of white Republicans.

Returning to 2008, Super Tuesday offers many insights into the Latino vote. In California, exit polls gave Clinton 67% of the Latino vote compared with 32% for Obama. However, Obama did considerably better among Latinos in Connecticut (53%), Illinois (51%) and Arizona (42%). We should be careful to make sweeping generalizations on the basis of individual observations. Even in California, where much was made of the Kennedy endorsements and Latino town hall rallies held by Obama, Clinton carried a 2-1 advantage. Yet, according to Mark DiCamillo of the Field Poll, 55% of all California Latinos (Democrats and Republicans) held a favorable opinion of Obama, compared with just 18% unfavorable. Further, an exit poll by Loyola Marymount University found that 93% of Latinos stated that the country was ready to elect a black president, even though 67% of Latinos voted for Clinton.

The point is to be careful of assuming that racism shapes Latino vote preferences. The Clintons have now campaigned nationally for the Latino vote since 1992. In 2007, Hillary Clinton named a Latina Democratic consultant, Patti Solis Doyle, as her national campaign manager. Further, she received early Latino endorsements from Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in Los Angeles, Sen. Robert Menendez in New Jersey and many other prominent Latinos across the country. In contrast, Obama, who has courted the Latino vote vigorously over the last week, has 16 years of ground to make up against the Clintons.

Matt A. Barreto, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Washington, Seattle, and Ricardo Ramírez, an assistant professor political science at USC, are leading experts on Latino public opinion and voting patterns and have published more than 20 research articles on Latino voting behavior in leading political science journals.
 
I can't believe latinos are this got damn ignorant. The support as I understood it was for Bill, not for this bitch ass wife. I think it's like Obama said, once they get to know who he is, they come out to support him.

The article said, (if you believe the numbers) that he did better in the northern tier of states with latino population and I'm sure that's due to them getting to know him.

Because it's a clinton, I seriously doubt the 67 percent number or the 32 for that matter in California. The clintons are making shit up as they always do to fit the situation.

-VG
 
I don't understand this "get to know him" bullshit. WTF is he supposed to do? Go into every Latino house and have dinner with them?
 
I can't believe latinos are this got damn ignorant.

nor do I but they are.

In all these states:
Utah
Iowa
North Dakota
Idaho
Alaska
Colorado
Minnesota

All those white people were able to figure Obama out and vote for him and helped him win but latinoz are still confused?? :smh:

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some of these people on this board are so anti clinton that if any race vote for her they are consider racist towards blacks

Cosign. :( Be careful what you wish for ... you just might get it.

I fear what Obama's presidency will do/bring because some supporters seem to suggest he is gonna be the "Black Man's" President, and not the President who happens to be a Black man. If he fails to deliver what they perceive he is supposed to beware of the backlash. I predict in the first year ... a thread a day of how Uncle Tommish Obama is, how Barack betrayed us. :smh:

Watch Black voting numbers drop like a rock when that happens. :angry:
 
I don't understand this "get to know him" bullshit. WTF is he supposed to do? Go into every Latino house and have dinner with them?

He has to reach out to Latino/Hispanic voters the same way he did South Carolina Black voters, who at first were heavily Clinton.
 
I don't understand this "get to know him" bullshit. WTF is he supposed to do? Go into every Latino house and have dinner with them?

Keep it real a lot of us black people don't even know him and mainly/only cosign him because he's black.
 
This article will not be accepted here still. Everyone knows that nothing less than 80% Latino vote for Obama will satisfy the tormented souls on this site.
 
Cosign. :( Be careful what you wish for ... you just might get it.

I fear what Obama's presidency will do/bring because some supporters seem to suggest he is gonna be the "Black Man's" President, and not the President who happens to be a Black man. If he fails to deliver what they perceive he is supposed to beware of the backlash. I predict in the first year ... a thread a day of how Uncle Tommish Obama is, how Barack betrayed us. :smh:

Watch Black voting numbers drop like a rock when that happens. :angry:

Man, I certainly hope not. I don't support Obama to be a black president. I support him to be president of this country and try to fix some of the shit in washington. For reasons I've stated already, I believe hillary to be a racist bitch and a bitch. Therefore I cannot support her.

If brothers make the mistake that Obama is a black president they will be kicking themselves after he's inaugurated. He's not going to open the banks and give money away.

Hopefully he doesn't come across that way and folks won't be this stupid.

-VG
 
I can't believe latinos are this got damn ignorant. The support as I understood it was for Bill, not for this bitch ass wife. I think it's like Obama said, once they get to know who he is, they come out to support him.

The article said, (if you believe the numbers) that he did better in the northern tier of states with latino population and I'm sure that's due to them getting to know him.

Because it's a clinton, I seriously doubt the 67 percent number or the 32 for that matter in California. The clintons are making shit up as they always do to fit the situation.

-VG

1. Why is it ignorance to throw your support behind the candidate (Billary) that has kissed your ass and promised you the moon for 15 years?

2. He probably did better with East Coast Latinos because of the high Puerto Rican population. Im not saying Boricuas are NEVER racist or hostile to blacks, but its far less common than it is among their rival group, Mexicans.
 
I don't understand this "get to know him" bullshit. WTF is he supposed to do? Go into every Latino house and have dinner with them?

Just read the article, its simple.

She has hired an independent Latino pollster and aired significantly more Spanish language radio and television ads.

In 2007, Hillary Clinton named a Latina Democratic consultant, Patti Solis Doyle, as her national campaign manager. Further, she received early Latino endorsements from Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in Los Angeles, Sen. Robert Menendez in New Jersey and many other prominent Latinos across the country.

If memory serves, Hillary has had Menendez chairing her Latino outreach strategy for the last two years, which is why she probably stole some Cuban votes in my homestate of Florida and did so well among Latinos in New Jersey (Cubans, PRs, Brazilians, etc.)

I know you West Coast and Southwest posters got beef with the eses, but please respect the experiences of those of us from places like NY, NJ and FL* where it isn't outright beef and hatred like you say it is in those places.

*with the exception of MIA--I cant speak on that but I can tell you in Tampa Cubans and Blacks get along relatively well and used to get along great in my grandparents' time.
 
Obama Still has 32% of the Latino vote. Thats really big. When he goes to Texas he'll pick up more. He does not need ALL the latino vote. Just a good chunk and he has a nice sized chunk of the Latino vote. He also has the Asian vote.
 
...they'll get their wake-up call soon enough...

...until then, someone needs to promote a unified BLACK AND BROWN...
 
Obama Still has 32% of the Latino vote. Thats really big. When he goes to Texas he'll pick up more. He does not need ALL the latino vote. Just a good chunk and he has a nice sized chunk of the Latino vote. He also has the Asian vote.

Um they voted 3 to 1 against him in Cali. I'm assuming your wifey was the one.

:lol::lol::lol:
 
1. Why is it ignorance to throw your support behind the candidate (Billary) that has kissed your ass and promised you the moon for 15 years?

2. He probably did better with East Coast Latinos because of the high Puerto Rican population. Im not saying Boricuas are NEVER racist or hostile to blacks, but its far less common than it is among their rival group, Mexicans.

It's ignorant because it was bill doing that shit. She had no power to promise anybody anything. So if "some" latinos believe by osmosis she keeps bills promises they are bigger fools than I thought.

-VG
 
Man, I certainly hope not. I don't support Obama to be a black president. I support him to be president of this country and try to fix some of the shit in washington. For reasons I've stated already, I believe hillary to be a racist bitch and a bitch. Therefore I cannot support her.

If brothers make the mistake that Obama is a black president they will be kicking themselves after he's inaugurated. He's not going to open the banks and give money away.

Hopefully he doesn't come across that way and folks won't be this stupid.

-VG

If the sentiments towards those who don't support him or haven't made up their minds yet hold true then I'd have to say it's too late. The inmates are running (ruining) the asylum.:(
 
So white folks in Utah and Iowa were able to find out about Obama, but Hispanics were not? Is it that we need Obama to campaign bilingual (they understand Clinton English, McCain English, but not Obama English)?

Hmmmm:confused:

Or is it "racist" for me to even ask that question?
 
If the sentiments towards those who don't support him or haven't made up their minds yet hold true then I'd have to say it's too late. The inmates are running (ruining) the asylum.:(

I'm keepin' my powder dry at this point.

BTW, Good post Femm

-VG
 
I'm keepin' my powder dry at this point.

BTW, Good post Femm

-VG

I just don't get how they have no idea who he is? Is the version of English Hillary and McCain speak easier to understand than Obama's? Does he need to campaign in Spanish only?

I mean what special attention do the Mexicans need before they notice a black dude (since racism is NOT a factor at all)?
 
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I just don't get how they have no idea who he is? Is the version of English Hillary and McCain speak easier to understand than Obama's? Does he need to campaign in Spanish only?

I mean what special attention do the Mexicans need before they notice a black dude (since racism is NOT a factor at all)?

Or maybe they are voting for the family thats given them attention and not the new guy
 
Or maybe they are voting for the family thats given them attention and not the new guy

It's really that simple. Sen. Clinton is still riding on her name, especially with Latinos and a great many Black people. Obama has bridged that gap greatly with Black voters and now he has to do the same with Hispanic and Asian voters.
 
Cosign. :( Be careful what you wish for ... you just might get it.

I fear what Obama's presidency will do/bring because some supporters seem to suggest he is gonna be the "Black Man's" President, and not the President who happens to be a Black man. If he fails to deliver what they perceive he is supposed to beware of the backlash. I predict in the first year ... a thread a day of how Uncle Tommish Obama is, how Barack betrayed us. :smh:

Watch Black voting numbers drop like a rock when that happens. :angry:

real talk here. people will try to pigeon hole the dude. hes the American president... not the black peoples president.
 
nor do I but they are.

In all these states:
Utah
Iowa
North Dakota
Idaho
Alaska
Colorado
Minnesota

All those white people were able to figure Obama out and vote for him and helped him win but latinoz are still confused?? :smh:

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I concur. There is a tension between some Latinos and some native born African Americans. Whether it is the gang violence in California, Cubans in south Florida or Tejano in Texas. Grant it this is not shared by all Latinos, but there is something festering just below the surface. Of course the soft fascism of some of the Obama supporters that feel that anyone that doesn’t support Obama is a racist has to be considered.
 
NAFTA, Bill Clinton's pet project, was suppose to create jobs in Mexico and cut down illegal immigration, instead it cost America three of our biggest industries, there are no jobs in Mexico, the border is a war zone and illegal immigration is reps leading issue. Bill told us the stock market could go up forever that he envisioned it hitting 16000 before he left office now the economy is on the verge of collapse but hedge fund managers are making a billion dollars a year. The man's lies and broken promises are a mile long I don't see how anyone especially Latinos could vote for him.
 
NAFTA, Bill Clinton's pet project, was suppose to create jobs in Mexico and cut down illegal immigration, instead it cost America three of our biggest industries, there are no jobs in Mexico, the border is a war zone and illegal immigration is reps leading issue. Bill told us the stock market could go up forever that he envisioned it hitting 16000 before he left office now the economy is on the verge of collapse but hedge fund managers are making a billion dollars a year. The man's lies and broken promises are a mile long I don't see how anyone especially Latinos could vote for him.

The DJIA and NASDAQ were on the up tick when Clinton left office in January 2000. It began to fall precipitously a year aft Bush took office and fell even more after 911. Why do you place the blame on Clinton and none on Bush? Your prejudice is showing.
 
It's ignorant because it was bill doing that shit. She had no power to promise anybody anything. So if "some" latinos believe by osmosis she keeps bills promises they are bigger fools than I thought.

-VG

Well then you might as well pick out 70% of Clintons supporters as fools. That includes black, white, asian, and latino. This also includes everyone who bought Bill's bullshit the FIRST time he tried this "two for the price of one" campaign strategy back in 92.

So what are your reasons for singling latinos out as the fools?
 
I made the same point earlier. The Latino voters just have to familiarize themselves with him.

I can't believe latinos are this got damn ignorant. The support as I understood it was for Bill, not for this bitch ass wife. I think it's like Obama said, once they get to know who he is, they come out to support him.

The article said, (if you believe the numbers) that he did better in the northern tier of states with latino population and I'm sure that's due to them getting to know him.
You're both right. Obama won the hispanic vote here in Illinois.
 
Let's not kid ourselves that is a nice article but the Clintons are using the underlying issues between Latino's and Blacks to keep them voting their way! which is a smart campaign tactic.

Barack needs to speak directly to both Cubans, Mexicans and Latinos respectively with a tailored message. If he can move asian, white, black, young, old, male, and female, he can move them too. I havent heard Obama speak spanish yet either, but he has a huge ally in Governor Tim Kaine of Virginia who is fluent spanish speaker though white and carries that vote in that state!
 
nor do I but they are.

In all these states:
Utah
Iowa
North Dakota
Idaho
Alaska
Colorado
Minnesota

All those white people were able to figure Obama out and vote for him and helped him win but latinoz are still confused?? :smh:

.

like i always say, latinos are 15-20 years behind. we were there before. they just gotta grown mentally
 
The DJIA and NASDAQ were on the up tick when Clinton left office in January 2000. It began to fall precipitously a year aft Bush took office and fell even more after 911. Why do you place the blame on Clinton and none on Bush? Your prejudice is showing.



That's not true Bush came in office facing a pending recession, not only was the internet bubble Clinton created about to burst it had not come close to creating the jobs he promised. Maybe Bush went overboard with the size of his tax cuts but they were in reaction to a slowing economy.
 
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