Jason Whitlock on Sean Taylor = Great Read

With respect to your points, I think Whitlock isn't blaming Taylor's death on Taylor. He's saying it's the "crabs-in-a-barrel" mentality that too many of us have that can violently pull back a man who tried to make a clean break with his past.
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apparently he lived by the sword and died by it..this wasn't a person who did absolutely nothing illegal and didn't associate with nafarious characters...something in his past caught up to him...

that has NOTHING to do with hip hop...its also something you see in EVERY ethnic group and race.. so its NOT unique.

If sean taylor was a clean dude who got killed in the cross fire of shotout or something like that THEN i would give some credence to the article but it look like its a case of a person whose past caught up with him...
 
FUCK JASON WHITLOCK

Dude is totally uninformed about hip-hop culture and he keeps mentioning it in his commentary because he think his race gives him that pass--

thats why White folks welcome the jolly ol' Uncle Tom to make the racist comments they wish they could make--dude is downright slanderous and is no different than Bill O'Rielly in his anti-Black rhetoric

I hate the fact that Sena Taylor died, but the truth is hip-hop or Black people in the ghetto didn't kill him. The American capitalist system that benefits off the have and have-nots system killed him just like so may other brothers that died on the same day and only got a one liner in a local newspaper--

the fact that its easier to purchase crack on in neighborhood than get a job killed him, the fact that its more profitable for the state to put a man in jail than in college killed him

its the same as putting a soldier in war and blaming him for killing (which they have done also); they built the ghetto with drugs and blamed Blacks for the reprocusions of it--

America is great at creating a problem and charging for the solution
 
Whitlock:


There may be a co-relation but it is NOT a casual relationship.


I wish we could understand the difference....................


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you are right. i just talking about something similiar to somebody tonight about violent video games and childrens ambivence about violence. correlation does not equal causation.
there is a correlation between height and weight, but being short or tall in itself will not make you fat or skinny.
when chris benoit cut up his wife like a thanksgiving turkey and then put hole in his kids heat was it rocks music's fault.
i am a big of a critic of some hip hop as you can find but damn it can not be the scapegoat for every social ill in america when it comes to people of color.
no colin
 
Whitlock:

"You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration, there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration.

Of course there are other catalysts, but until we recapture the minds of black youth, convince them that it's not OK to "super man dat ho" and end any and every dispute by "cocking on your bitch," nothing will change."





So basically his rant boiled down to blame hip-hop.

I keep saying 70% of hip-hop is consumed by white suburban youth.

Why don't we see the same effect?


If hip-hop causes violence, then wherever hip-hop is consumed then violence follows????

Right?


Then he needs to explain why this high rate of violence does NOT occur within the community it is consumed in the most.

If he can't then hip-hop does not cause violence.

There may be a co-relation but it is NOT a casual relationship.


I wish we could understand the difference....................


:cool:

Hip-hop MUSIC is bought by White people, the Hip-Hop LIFE is embraced by inner city youth. You can turn off a CD.
 
lost me at black kkk
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FUCK JASON WHITLOCK

Dude is totally uninformed about hip-hop culture and he keeps mentioning it in his commentary because he think his race gives him that pass--

thats why White folks welcome the jolly ol' Uncle Tom to make the racist comments they wish they could make--dude is downright slanderous and is no different than Bill O'Rielly in his anti-Black rhetoric

I hate the fact that Sena Taylor died, but the truth is hip-hop or Black people in the ghetto didn't kill him. The American capitalist system that benefits off the have and have-nots system killed him just like so may other brothers that died on the same day and only got a one liner in a local newspaper--

the fact that its easier to purchase crack on in neighborhood than get a job killed him, the fact that its more profitable for the state to put a man in jail than in college killed him

its the same as putting a soldier in war and blaming him for killing (which they have done also); they built the ghetto with drugs and blamed Blacks for the reprocusions of it--

America is great at creating a problem and charging for the solution





This is the next step.........................





LAPD plans to map Muslim areas

ACLU, Islamic groups send letter citing ‘grave concerns’
The Associated Press
updated 5:43 p.m. PT, Sat., Nov. 10, 2007



LOS ANGELES - Civil rights advocates criticized plans by the Los Angeles Police Department to map the city's Muslim communities, calling it racial profiling.


The LAPD's counterterrorism bureau plans to identify Muslim enclaves in order to determine which might be likely to become isolated and susceptible to "violent, ideologically based extremism," said Deputy Chief Michael P. Downing on Thursday.


"We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we can reach out to those communities," said Downing, who heads the counterterrorism bureau.


Downing said the plan is still in its early stages, but the LAPD wants to work with a Muslim partner and intends to have the data assembled by the University of Southern California's Center for Risk and Economic Analysis.


Downing testified about the plan before a U.S. Senate committee on Oct. 30.


In his testimony, Downing said his bureau wanted to "take a deeper look at the history, demographics, language, culture, ethnic breakdown, socioeconomic status and social interactions" of the city's Muslim communities.

There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties.


On Thursday, several Muslim groups and the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California sent Downing a letter expressing "grave concerns" about the program.


"Singling out individuals for investigation, surveillance, and data-gathering based on their religion constitutes religious profiling that is just as unlawful, ill-advised and deeply offensive as racial profiling," said the letter.


It was signed by representatives of the ACLU of Southern California; Muslim Advocates, a national association of Muslim lawyers; the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California and the Council on American-Islamic Relations.


The plan "basically turns the LAPD officers into religious political analysts, while their role is to fight crime and enforce the laws," said Hussam Ayloush, head of the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who signed the letter.


However, another group, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, is considering working with the LAPD on the project.


"We will work with the LAPD and give them input, while at the same time making sure that people's civil liberties are protected," said Salam al-Marayati, the council's executive director.






http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21713765/
 
I've listened to hip-hop since I can remember. Never been to jail, don't have a bunch of kids with different mothers, went to the best school in my city (and yeah that isn't to hard in Baltimore but Poly was no joke) and graduated from college.

Nobody gives listenin to hip-hop credit for someone like me, so don't blame hip-hop for the dumbasses out there. Hip-Hop wasn't the blame for all the people I know who don't their fathers, hip-hop didn't put drugs in the community. Hip-hop is a scapegoat. An easy target.
 
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Hip-hop MUSIC is bought by White people, the Hip-Hop LIFE is embraced by inner city youth. You can turn off a CD.

What hip-hop life? Breakdancing, rapping, DJing and graffitti? :confused:

When did hip-hop life become street life? I thought they were separate.

We have to stop letting white folks control the terms of our discourse.
 
What hip-hop life? Breakdancing, rapping, DJing and graffitti? :confused:

When did hip-hop life become street life? I thought they were separate.

We have to stop letting white folks control the terms of our discourse.

cofuckingsign

will you school these people please!!!!
 
Its sad that a white guy had to write this article:

Don't be knee-jerk about Taylor's death
Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:03 AM

It’s nearly two days now that I’ve been trying to think of something intelligent to say about the murder of Redskins’ safety Sean Taylor. I’ve not had a great deal of success. It’s too numbing of mind and spirit.

Reading the wires, I can see I’m not the only one having trouble making sense out of what makes no sense to most of us but clearly seemed like a reasonable act by the as-yet-unidentified gunman. The Washington Post’s Leonard Shapiro does a better job than most in parsing this latest tragedy to befall professional sports. He’s spent more time close to Taylor than most of us, and Shapiro’s bottom line is that he’s not surprised.

He writes this without condemning Taylor, whose problems with self-control and discipline, not to mention the law, are well documented. Because Taylor was African-American, there’s an awful lot of knee-jerk reaction out there that makes Taylor out to be just another tough kid from a desperate place who couldn’t leave the street ethos behind.

But that’s not the case with Taylor. His father is a police chief; the young man grew up middle class. He’s probably closer in background to Andy Reid’s unfortunate sons than he is to Michael Vick or Pacman Jones.

When I realized that, a bit of a light flickered to life in my head. The common denominator in the troubles that increasingly afflict the NFL, just as they did the NBA, have less to do with race than they do with youth and testosterone. Young males are trouble, more likely to come to untimely ends than any other gender or age group. The only difference between ethnic groups is the preferred type of risky behavior.

I have no idea why someone broke into Taylor’s home and fatally shot him. We only know that a week earlier, someone had broken into his home in the suburban Miami village of Palmetto Bay. The town is, according to its Web site, is a very happy and carefree community known not for armed burglaries but for its many public parks.

I do know that it burglars like to work on houses that are unoccupied. I also know that you’ve got a better chance of being struck by lightning than of being shot by an utter stranger in your own bedroom in the middle of the night. That sort of thing is almost never a random affair.

The police will sort it out. In the meantime, we need to remember that this is a man who was greatly popular with his teammates and the owner of the team, Dan Snyder. That says a lot. He was also, they said, much more responsible in the 18 months since his daughter was born. He may have done some bad things, but who among us hasn’t?

And is really that much different that Ben Roethlisberger? Big Ben also felt the need to show what a tough guy he was, except he did it by riding a motorcycle without a helmet. That doesn’t have the same air of danger about it that waving guns around and acting like a thug does, but it almost killed him. It seems that the underlying psychology is the same, it’s just the cultural backdrop and mode of expression that’s different.

Or take Josh Hancock, the St. Louis Cardinals relief pitcher who was killed in a traffic accident early this year. He drank too much and was talking on his cell phone when he piled into the back of a car on a freeway.

Or go back to Thurman Munson, the beloved Yankee catcher. Thurman wasn’t a thug, but he was Mike Ditka in shinguards and chest protector, a snarling, all-out competitor who never saw the need to make nice to the press. He thought he could fly a jet airplane. That was his way of showing how tough he was. He, too, paid with his life.

So, no ethnic or economic group has a monopoly on risky behavior, and we should probably stop pretending otherwise. It doesn’t mean we condone the thug lifestyle any more than we condone riding motorcycles without a helmet or drinking and driving. In each case, an athlete was doing something he thought was cool because of the culture in which he grew up. In each case, something bad happened.

Unfortunately, you can’t legislate brains into people, especially young, competitive males. You can only set a good example, stop tolerating behavior that has never been appropriate, demand accountability, and hope for the best.

And mourn Sean Taylor. He didn’t need to die.

http://openmike.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/28/484028.aspx
 
What hip-hop life? Breakdancing, rapping, DJing and graffitti? :confused:

When did hip-hop life become street life? I thought they were separate.

We have to stop letting white folks control the terms of our discourse.

True true, I was just using the terms as presented. Cause we all know NO ONE is buying TRUE hip-hop albums. I meant GANGSTA RAP.
 
True true, I was just using the terms as presented. Cause we all know NO ONE is buying TRUE hip-hop albums. I meant GANGSTA RAP.



So what kind of music is Roman Catholic priests buying/listening to that "make" them fondle little boys at such a high rate?????



:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Man fuck Jason Whitlock. You'sa bitch dude. Just respect the fucking dead and go ahead and keep faith in knowing he'll die in vain like all the hip hop artist and other niggas who get shot everyday with their killers never found. This man was a world class athlete, he had a great life and like always we fucking kick each other in our worst moments. So fucking what if he came from the hood and had a few run ins with the law. He was a rich nigga-thats common. We are our own worst enemies, period. And to the haters talking bad about Sean fuck you too. See if anyone grieves your ass when they throw the dirt in your faces.
 
Those Gregorian chants. But it's not the MUSIC, it's the LIFESTYLE the music glorifies.


So audio glorifies the lifestyle and video+audio (Hollywood) doesn't?????

So you have:
hip hop (audio)
Movies (audio+video)
Gaming (xbox, PS3, wii)
War in Iraq


And hip hop is the cause?????


White suburban youths listen to hip hop.

Why are they not experiencing the level of violence we are???


Come on, you could do better than that....................
 
I liken people who disagree with Whitlock and Cosby as those Harriet Tubman used to talk about...

While I agreed with most of your sentiment you lost me there.

Cosby's premise was that parents need to step up to the plate raising their children and that we as a people need to take advantage of the educational opportunities out there. Whitlock is blaming hip-hop for the problems of black america, thats almost as crazy as blaming the soldiers for the war in Iraq.

Hip-Hop and it's distribution is not controlled by and large by black america at this point, just like dope boys on the corner rarely if ever actually shipped any cocaine directly from columbia themselves.

I'm not making any excuses for the lack of worthwhile content in todays rap music but Whitlocks' blaming of hip-hop is a sorry attempt to only highlight one portion of a much larger problem.
 
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While I agreed with most of your sentiment you lost me there.

Cosby's premise was that parents need to step up to the plate raising their children and that we as a people need to take advantage of the educational opportunities out there. Whitlock is blaming hip-hop for the problems of black america, thats almost as crazy as blaming the soldiers for the war in Iraq.

Hip-Hop and it's distribution is not controlled by and large by black america at this point, just like dope boys on the corner rarely if ever actually shipped any cocaine directly from columbia themselves.

I'm not making any excuses for the lack of worthwhile content in todays rap music but Whitlocks' blaming of hip-hop is a sorry attempt to only highlight one portion of a much larger problem.


Listen to the real Cosby at the 3:50 mark



[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/_Y9ItOQ4QH0&rel=1[/FLASH]


;)
 
Man somebody really need to shut this fat fuck down. This motherfucka sensationalizes black issues just to push his lame ass agenda of hip hop being the anti-christ. Like someone said earlier, this shit is irresponsible of him as a black man to be pushing these lies and half truths to the mainstream white media. I'm 34 and I have listened to hip hop my entire life (not this bullshit that's out now though). Shit, NWA came out at my most impressionable time and I have never even so much as smoked weed. And I grew up in the fucking hood. WHY??? Because Moms wasn't having that shit and I spent all my time at the local rec center playing football, basketball, swimming, and boxing every damn day. I can't believe this bastard couldn't wait ONE day before he came out with this bullshit. Where is Vivian Stringer when you need her?
 
Man somebody really need to shut this fat fuck down. This motherfucka sensationalizes black issues just to push his lame ass agenda of hip hop being the anti-christ. Like someone said earlier, this shit is irresponsible of him as a black man to be pushing these lies and half truths to the mainstream white media. I'm 34 and I have listened to hip hop my entire life (not this bullshit that's out now though). Shit, NWA came out at my most impressionable time and I have never even so much as smoked weed. And I grew up in the fucking hood. WHY??? Because Moms wasn't having that shit and I spent all my time at the local rec center playing football, basketball, swimming, and boxing every damn day. I can't believe this bastard couldn't wait ONE day before he came out with this bullshit. Where is Vivian Stringer when you need her?





The funny thing is that black people can't see that all this bullshit does is encourage more police brutality of the black community.

The wider public will feel like black people deserve it.............

Imagine immigrants come here and fall in line with that thinking based on these storylines created by black men hired to whip black people.



Listen to this clip, shit hasn't changed...........


[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/adiy075EGOs&rel=1[/FLASH]


:smh::smh::smh:
 
This column would be great if these problems suddenly appeared when hiphop did. Unfortunately all these issues, murder, black on black crime, drugs, etc all existed before Public Enemy, 50 cent or any of those guys. Hell The Message, one of the first real rap songs was about how fucked up the hood was. Listen to any blues record. These aint new issues.
 
He's right... harsh as usual but right...

Really, no one can really defend hip-hop and even though there are some good hip hop acts like Little Brother, Common and so forth... Americas view on hip hop is negative and it should be since negative hip hop is always out there for niggas to listen too....

I agree with most of what he said, but they really need to stop saying hiphop is the cause of everything. Do your research this country was built and structured in a way that we will always fail,
Freemasons control and rule the world. Dig this, how come they always blame hiphop for promoting violence, saying Nigga and Hoe and say we all are ignorant...In reality Hiphop artist are like news reporters, they report whats around them in the hood..why they never talk about that? about all the shit thats fucked up around us...you know why? because they made it that way, they want us fucked up, locked up and dead...they want to put us in positions to kill ourselves that way they never get the blame.. Blame HipHop!!
 
Listen to the real Cosby at the 3:50 mark



[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/_Y9ItOQ4QH0&rel=1[/flash]


;)

This is very inspirational. I would comment on this thread, but what's the point. Jason Whitlock just like 95% of the dudes who agree with him don't do shit except say what's wrong. As far as I am concerned Jason is the BLACK KKK. Like W.E.B Dubois said, it will take the talented 10th to do something about all of black people's problem.
 
On point...but folks don't want to hear.

I liken people who disagree with Whitlock and Cosby as those Harriet Tubman used to talk about...

she basically said she could have freed more slaves, if they only knew they were in slavery.

Some people just feel everything is all good in the hood...or its not as bad as people think.

I just don't know what to say to folks like that, its like we are living in different realities.

Only thing that can be done now is those that understand what is going on, like Harriet, do as much to raise our children correctly and maybe help a kid that is not ours along the way...the rest of the ni&&as will have no other choice but to act right.

But we can't rely on them to do it...I know what side I'm on. Hopefully my side outnumber the other.

Yes sir.
 
"We" don't have to change a damn thing. It is up to the individual to take responsibility for his or her own actions and change them if need be. If one will not do the necessary to succeed in life, then they will surely "succeed" at failing. Sure we can help each other, but usually and ultimately one's destiny is dependent upon one's effort. :hmm:
 
He should be ashamed of himself for using this young mans death to further his anti Hip Hop rhetoric. American culture/Way of life (which actually promotes holding people of poverty in their situation) is the true violence motivator. This nation has been involved in and encouraged more wars, murders, raping, pillaging and enslaving of people then any other single "entity" that you can think of. Trying to blame the effect of a cause that was systematically created for the sake of gaining global-wealth and attaining global-control is pure idiocy.

Secondly I think "MR. Whitlock" should do some research to find out what real Hip Hop is. Maybe then he will stop lumping it together with the gangster rap explosion that has hijacked the image of the medium. But then again he may just be an agent of a consortium with a bigger agenda. Part of the seemingly infinite amount of people in the media sent to spread endless propaganda about our people.
 
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