"Wage Slaves"

[divine]

The profit motive

In capitalism, the motive for producing goods and services is to sell them for a profit, not to satisfy people's needs. The products of capitalist production have to find a buyer, of course, but this is only incidental to the main aim of making a profit, of ending up with more money than was originally invested. This is not a theory that we have thought up but a fact you can easily confirm for yourself by reading the financial press. Production is started not by what consumers are prepared to pay for to satisfy their needs but by what the capitalists calculate can be sold at a profit. Those goods may satisfy human needs but those needs will not be met if people do not have sufficient money.

The profit motive is not just the result of greed on behalf of individual capitalists. They do not have a choice about it. The need to make a profit is imposed on capitalists as a condition for not losing their investments and their position as capitalists. Competition with other capitalists forces them to reinvest as much of their profits as they can afford to keep their means and methods of production up to date.

As you will see, we hold that it is the class division and profit motive of capitalism that is at the root of most of the world's problems today, from starvation to war, to alienation and crime. Every aspect of our lives is subordinated to the worst excesses of the drive to make profit. In capitalist society, our real needs will only ever come a poor second to the requirements of profit.

 

[bigirl]

There ya go.... keep on postin.... we love the support you give to american products and services.

Its like I said.... If it was so bad, you would've quit a long time ago.....

If I wasn't stuck here I wouldn't be here at all and once I get the fuck out I am never coming back. Worst country in the world and if you represent the typical Amerikkkan no wonder the whole world wanna blow you muthafuckas up

 

[gameboy]

Correct, I'm not a millionaire. I'd consider myself lower class, relatively speaking. I earn (via slave wage) about $140k per year, and I realize that is pennies in a capitalistic society. I also realize that, unfortunately, there are millions you earn way less than that, and millions more who live below the poverty level... that sad when you think about the false perception that Capitalism creates booming economies.

btw- Are you a millionaire?

if you can find a square gig paying $140k,,, i say fuck starting your own business,,, you assume a lot of risk as a business owner,,

and the last time i checked, small business owners only make about $50k per year (on average),,,

 

[Bluekid]

i thought wage slave meant someone who doesnt own their own business. Or someone who punches a clock and lacks residual income.

Unemployment- is the condition of willing workers lacking jobs or "gainful employment". In economics, unemployment statistics measure the condition and extent of joblessness within an economy. A key measure is the unemployment rate, which is the number of unemployed workers divided by the total civilian labor force. The unemployment rate is also used in economic studies and economic indexes such as the Conference Board’s Index of Leading Indicators. Unemployment in an economic sense has proved a surprisingly difficult thing to define, let alone "cure".

The terms unemployment and unemployed may sometimes be used to refer to inputs to production that are not being fully used (apart from labor) — for example, unemployed capital goods. In its most general, but uncommon usage, unemployment might also denote objects not put to productive use.

Before industrialization unemployment has been said not to have been recognized as an issue in rural areas, despite the "disguised unemployment" of rural laborers having little to do, especially in conditions of overpopulation.
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[divine]

Class division

Capitalism is the social system which now exists in all countries of the world. Under this system, the means for producing and distributing goods (the land, factories, technology, transport system etc) are owned by a small minority of people. We refer to this group of people as the capitalist class. The majority of people must sell their ability to work in return for a wage or salary (who we refer to as the working class.)

The working class are paid to produce goods and services which are then sold for a profit. The profit is gained by the capitalist class because they can make more money selling what we have produced than we cost to buy on the labour market. In this sense, the working class are exploited by the capitalist class. The capitalists live off the profits they obtain from exploiting the working class whilst reinvesting some of their profits for the further accumulation of wealth.

This is what we mean when we say there are two classes in society. It is a claim based upon simple facts about the society we live in today. This class division is the essential feature of capitalism. It may be popular to talk (usually vaguely) about various other 'classes' existing such as the 'middle class', but it is the two classes defined here that are the key to understanding capitalism.

It may not be exactly clear which class some relatively wealthy people are in. But there is no ambiguity about the status of the vast majority of the world's population. Members of the capitalist class certainly know who they are. And most members of the working class know that they need to work for a wage or salary in order to earn a living (or are dependent upon somebody who does, or depend on state benefits.)

 

[GAMETHEORY]

Dude.... some of us are "self employed" .... We work for ourselves and we would much rather do that than be on someone elses payroll...

Me quittin my job is like me quittin on myself....

Again... this sounds like another one of your attempts to bash americans....

So can you tell us how many Americans are self employed like you out of 400 million ? One of the many problems of capitalism. It has a automatic defense mechanism to keep the poor down. Raise the lowest wages, and the cost of living goes up negating the raise.

 

[GAMETHEORY]

Me on the defensive..... get real....

Last I checked.... the owner of this board is from Atlanta Georgia..... Therefore it means BGOL is american owned and operated....Are you calling the HNIC a "wage slave" too. This guy is what we americans call "self employed." HNIC is an example of the diversity and creativity that exists in american people....


I find it funny that people from other countries like this board so much better than the crap they usually get out of there home countries...

I bet you are even against those who receive unemployment benefits or cash-assistance right ?

 

[bigirl]

We all know the USA was founded on slave labour and without it the economy would crumble. Thats why any talk of ousting illegal immigrants is pure bullshit. They ain't going NOWHERE. They are the only ones willing to work for low enough wages that the corps can still make $.

 

[GAMETHEORY]

We all know the USA was founded on slave labour and without it the economy would crumble. Thats why any talk of ousting illegal immigrants is pure bullshit. They ain't going NOWHERE. They are the only ones willing to work for low enough wages that the corps can still make $.

Co sign

 

[divine]

tru dat.

We all know the USA was founded on slave labour and without it the economy would crumble. Thats why any talk of ousting illegal immigrants is pure bullshit. They ain't going NOWHERE. They are the only ones willing to work for low enough wages that the corps can still make $.

 

[BoyJupiter]

Okay...didn't "Boro" start this thread?

Boro, would these inquiries have spawned from the recent Chavez thread? I do see us (Americans) as over-worked. I remember reading stats saying that the majority of Europeans work about 40% less than the average American worker (can't remember any other implications, but here's an interesting article http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/20/steven-landsburg-labor_cx_sl_06work_0523landsburg.html)

Anyhow, it is well documented that there are countries that are not as dedicated to wage, that can still foster a sustainable economy. Also, you'll find in some of these countries a social mobility that parrallels and, at times, supercedes the intentions of the US.

Of course, over working and under paying your employees could be the difference between power and superpower, seeing that China works the shit out of their employees, and ranks as one of the lowest wage endorsing countries...sadly, low waged workers have ALWAYS made super powers.

 

[Izayoi]

Those who get up the same time every day, put on clothes they hate, take the same train every day and go to a job they hate and go thru the motions and go get drunk when they get off and do this every day for years and only live on weekends and their 2 weeks vacation are wage slaves.

^^^ That's sad and the reality for a lot of people. Heard a woman say she worked a shit job only to keep health insurance for her family.

For me that's a quality of life issue like mortality vs. morbidity. You can live, but do you want to live in a state where you are deathly ill everyday?
That's not for me, and when I found myself falling into that rut I quit that life. Work is not a curse IF you genuinely love and respect what you do. I don't feel like a slave (even though I got bills/mortgage), because I designed my work (mainly self-employed) to do the things I enjoyed and demanding the compensation I could live comfortably at.

My buddy makes 6 figures at a job that requires no less than 60 hours of his week. He offered to have me come work with him Money was right, but I passed. I know being able to pass on employment is a luxury some can't afford so I don't knock it for others, but I can't live for the weekend. I value my everyday too much to sacrifice it to buy more shit I don't need.

 

[Kubrick]

If I wasn't stuck here I wouldn't be here at all and once I get the fuck out I am never coming back. Worst country in the world and if you represent the typical Amerikkkan no wonder the whole world wanna blow you muthafuckas up

Why did you come here in the first place? It sounds like you lived in paradise before. What was the catalyst for the move?

 

[bigirl]

Why did you come here in the first place? It sounds like you lived in paradise before. What was the catalyst for the move?

No move. I had to come up to work on a project. Was supposed to be here 2 months. Unfortunately stuck another 2 or 3. It just seems like a really long time because I really don't like it here I am going to finish what I started though. Then I will go home ASAP never to return

 

[samh32]

No move. I had to come up to work on a project. Was supposed to be here 2 months. Unfortunately stuck another 2 or 3. It just seems like a really long time because I really don't like it here I am going to finish what I started though. Then I will go home ASAP never to return

You know dam well you're not leaving the land of milk and honey. I thought you had two months left back in January I guess you can consider yourself a wage slave.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

I do know first-hand that there are alot of GREEDY people who seem to find their only comfort in life doin' slack-assed work pushing seriously unhealthy hours every week.

I see it in that I work in the health care field for 5 organizations spread throughout 3 unions, and approximately 7 facilities. Hundreds of employees. Several of whom commonly CHOOSE to work 88 - 102 hour work weeks. Week in and week out! Mind you they don't need the money / own their own home / are single / have no family to support / are NOT sending money home to family abroad / do not have any outstanding debt / are non-drinkers/smokers/partiers. They're essentially WORKAHOLICS ... plain/simple.

These individuals ^ work weeks along the lines of:

7am - 3pm M - F (FULL TIME)
8am - 4pm S + S (PART TIME)
4pm - 12am M - F (ON-CALL FOR THE WEEKEND JOB; 4 - 5 SHIFTS A WEEK)
Late-Afternoon stuff (if possible; on-call - weekends)

Shitty thing though is that a great many of them are hyper-competitive with their shit, non-teamplayers, and don't do much when they're on the job. No kiddin'. They're zombie sumbitches.

 

[samh32]

I do know first-hand that there are alot of GREEDY people who seem to find their only comfort in life doin' slack-assed work pushing seriously unhealthy hours every week.

I see it in that I work in the health care field for 5 organizations spread throughout 3 unions, and approximately 7 facilities. Hundreds of employees. Several of whom commonly CHOOSE to work 88 - 102 hour work weeks. Week in and week out! Mind you they don't need the money / own their own home / are single / have no family to support / are NOT sending money home to family abroad / do not have any outstanding debt / are non-drinkers/smokers/partiers. They're essentially WORKAHOLICS ... plain/simple.

These individuals ^ work weeks along the lines of:

7am - 3pm M - F (FULL TIME)
8am - 4pm S + S (PART TIME)
4pm - 12am M - F (ON-CALL FOR THE WEEKEND JOB; 4 - 5 SHIFTS A WEEK)
Late-Afternoon stuff (if possible; on-call - weekends)

Shitty thing though is that a great many of them are hyper-competitive with their shit, non-teamplayers, and don't do much when they're on the job. No kiddin'. They're zombie sumbitches.

And I bet if they take a week vacation, they would probably go back after the second day.

 

[bigirl]

You know dam well you're not leaving the land of milk and honey. I thought you had two months left back in January I guess you can consider yourself a wage slave.

not only are you a brainwashed idiot military drone, you also have shit for memory. i didn't arrive in this fucked up country until may. i am the self employed one. i do what the fuck i want when i want and if i dont want to i dont. you are too dense to comprehend working on a creative project for the love and seeing it thru to the end because you want to. this is the land of diet soda and aspartame not milk and honey
now run along and eat a grenade.

 

[samh32]

not only are you a brainwashed idiot military drone, you also have shit for memory. i didn't arrive in this fucked up country until may. i am the self employed one. i do what the fuck i want when i want and if i dont want to i dont. you are too dense to comprehend working on a creative project for the love and seeing it thru to the end because you want to. this is the land of diet soda and aspartame not milk and honey
now run along and eat a grenade.

First of all, I'm no longer in the military, I'm retired Secondly if you hate a place so freakin much, why don't you just go back to your little paradike in the Caribbean. Self employed doesn't mean independence, and that so call "creative project" is nothing more than you trying to get your citizenship. . I can see two months turning into two years.

 

[CHEF!]

That's not for me, and when I found myself falling into that rut I quit that life. Work is not a curse IF you genuinely love and respect what you do. I don't feel like a slave (even though I got bills/mortgage), because I designed my work (mainly self-employed) to do the things I enjoyed and demanding the compensation I could live comfortably at.

My buddy makes 6 figures at a job that requires no less than 60 hours of his week. He offered to have me come work with him Money was right, but I passed. I know being able to pass on employment is a luxury some can't afford so I don't knock it for others, but I can't live for the weekend. I value my everyday too much to sacrifice it to buy more shit I don't need.

You got it bruh -- especially the part in bold.

 

[bigirl]

First of all, I'm no longer in the military, I'm retired Secondly if you hate a place so freakin much, why don't you just go back to your little paradike in the Caribbean. Self employed doesn't mean independence, and that so call "creative project" is nothing more than you trying to get your citizenship. . I can see two months turning into two years.

I don't want Amerikkkan citizenship. There is absolutely zero benefit to it. Carrying that passport is a real deathwish these days. I like my EU one just fine thanks. I can't wait to go home. Hopefully by October. You are a retired brainwashed military drone piece of shit living in a Nazi country.

 

[LennyNero1972]

We all know the USA was founded on slave labour and without it the economy would crumble. Thats why any talk of ousting illegal immigrants is pure bullshit. They ain't going NOWHERE. They are the only ones willing to work for low enough wages that the corps can still make $.

Let the congregation say AMEN on that one!!!!!!!

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

And I bet if they take a week vacation, they would probably go back after the second day.

Exactly. They don't take vacations, and IF they do ... they ensure they've "DOUBLE-BOOKED" themselves by taking on work elsewhere on a designated shift day, and then taking said regular day off (or week/block) and working that/those other shift(s). It's ridiculous in a sense. And then they have the NERVE to fuck around and not follow guidelines and not adhere to the minimum 8 or 12 hours OFF between shifts which is needed, as per various unions, and gripe when they've DELIBERATELY made mistakes and taken on additional shift and been WARNED or MEMO'D about same. Assholes. No wonder many payroll/accountant-type peeps aren't too fond of alot of employees. For reals!

And it's universal too ... EMPLOYEES young/old ... male/female ... all cultural groups & work levels/years of seniority. People are forever tryin' to get ahead and WHORE the shifts. Oh - my bad. Did I say "whore"? I meant HOARD the shifts. SAME FUCKING DIFFERENCE.

 

[samh32]

I don't want Amerikkkan citizenship. There is absolutely zero benefit to it. Carrying that passport is a real deathwish these days. I like my EU one just fine thanks. I can't wait to go home. Hopefully by October. You are a retired brainwashed military drone piece of shit living in a Nazi country.

Drone?? Why are you so mad? Is there anything in your life that you are proud of ? I remember one post where you bragged about getting high in front of kids. Dam... I mean if you hate America so much, and (I can't wait to go home) Well screw your project and take your azz home .

 

[bigirl]

Drone?? Why are you so mad? Is there anything in your life that you are proud of ? I remember one post where you bragged about getting high in front of kids. Dam... I mean if you hate America so much, and (I can't wait to go home) Well screw your project and take your azz home .

I am proud of everything in my life. Yes you are a DRONE and you better find that post cause I sure as hell never said anything about getting high in front of kids you mindless babylon waste product

 

[slowmotion]

The term "wage slave" in its most simplistic form, would indicate that their is some sort of internal or external restraint that keeps a person in a particular position for X amount dollars over a given period of time.

It doesn't matter how much that person is getting paid, because its the same principle. The high school drop out flipping burgers to pay his half of the rent or a professional athlete who spends thousands of dollars a week, playing for that next contract extension so he can buy a new hummer. Whats the difference ?

If you are lucky to be born into a family with money, i.e. (Paris Hilton), then maybe u can truly be above being considered a "wage slave". But most people must adhere to some sort of daily or weekly work to take of themselves, or to maintain a certain "life style".

The key to being truly happy and not going through life feeling like a robot, and feeling restrained into a particular job, is to do something you truly enjoy doing, whether your working for someone else or starting your own business.

 

[BDR]

BigEarl coming in here starting shit again lmao

 

[BDR]

The main slave wagers in America are Day laborors lmao

 

[Spoke]

Is it just me or can everyone see that the USA is filled with people who don't like it here like some on this board. Is it not logical for one to assume that if they follow thier wish and go back home that they no longer would be wage slaves and we no longer would have to listen thier complaints. I like this board and the people who post here , I like the line of work I'm in but I won't kid myself I am what you call a wage slave because I have to go to work and I have to be there 60 hrs/week sometimes. I like most other foriegn countries and the people who live there but if your are from those countries and reading this post then you must know,THE WHOLE DAME PLANET IS DOING THE SAME DAM THING AS THEY ARE DOING HERE IN THE US. How can someone say America was the only nation built on slavery when if you look into every nations history and see that basically every nation was built on slavery they did the same dam thing here in what the called the New World......even in the Caribean , Asia, Europe, Africa and South America. Yea we have a corrupt government and yes we are motivated by money but then you are to or YOU WOULD NOT DAM BE HERE!!!!!! The only true non "wage slave" is the truely homeless and the super rich and that's in any country regardless of it's political ideology. The WHOLE WORLD IS FUKKK'd UP and because America is the biggest and the badest we are FUKK'd up the worst and that's this whole thread in a nutshell.

 

[Spoke]

If I wasn't stuck here I wouldn't be here at all and once I get the fuck out I am never coming back. Worst country in the world and if you represent the typical Amerikkkan no wonder the whole world wanna blow you muthafuckas up

Yea a good statistic would be how many people are hear against thier will.

 

[bigirl]

Yea a good statistic would be how many people are hear against thier will.

Alot. Since I am in NYC now i talk to all kinds of people from any country you could imagine. My situation is just stuck short term for a few extra months because a project is taking longer than anticipated. Not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I have talked to people from India, Pakistan, China,various African countries and all over who came here 10 or 15 years ago with the best intentions really thinking they could do much better for their families. Most of them, their families are still in their countries. They thought they would come here for a little while, save up a bunch and go back home. What nobody told them prior to coming is that the cost of living is so high here they can barely send anything back to their families let alone save up for a plane ticket back. This is how Amerikkka tricks the rest of the world and gets their slave labor.

 

[Kubrick]

What nobody told them prior to coming is that the cost of living is so high here they can barely send anything back to their families let alone save up for a plane ticket back. This is how Amerikkka tricks the rest of the world and gets their slave labor.

 

[bigirl]

The way Amerikkka is portrayed in the media(propaganda) in the rest of the world, people literally think the streets are paved with gold and money grows on trees. Thats the lure to get them to be willing to come here. Then they get here to find the rudest awakening of their life and Amerikkka has its slave labor. Get it now?

 

[SPECTRE1]

I have seen newstory about police officers doubling their salary on overtime. You become unproductive after a couple of hours, working longer is pointless. The next day, you come to work tired and your productivity declines further.

Some people can work a bunch of hours, I don't understand how.

 

[samh32]

I am proud of everything in my life. Yes you are a DRONE and you better find that post cause I sure as hell never said anything about getting high in front of kids you mindless babylon waste product

Quote:Originally Posted by max-dawg
smoke it if you have it.

and be sure to pass it to your kids when they're old enough... cause afterall, it's just a natural plant, right?

I most definitely will so they will know what it is and what the good stuff is and how to use it properly and so they don't gotta buy it on the street. I got my first weed from my grandfather along with a chat. God bless him.

Remember this conversation with Max-dawg I guess not. I heard that stuff was bad for your memory.