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[November 17]

I'm wondering when they're gonna shorten the regular season games because it's only a matter of time with all these injuries happening to superstar players.

I'm not sure if the NBA plans on doing that because they will tell you that injuries have always been a part of the game. Furthermore, they have been using an 82 game schedule since 1967 -1968 (that's roughly 57 years), and I believe this is the major problem with the idea of shortening the season and the playoffs.

The NBA probably has the highest average salaries for players and I believe a portion of that money is generated from television revenue (TNT, ABC, ESPN, The NBA Channel, NBA League Pass, Amazon Prime Video 2025). So, I'm thinking the more games they air on television, the more money.

Furthermore, look at how the NBA playoff format has changed over the years:

NBA playoffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[November 17]

@jawnswoop

You might find this article interesting.

THE BEST DEAL EVER

The Silna brothers turned an unwanted ABA franchise into $1 billion, just by going away. Now they're opting out of an NBA gift that has kept on giving THERE

vault.si.com

The Silna brothers turned an unwanted ABA franchise into $1 billion, just by going away. Now they're opting out of an NBA gift that has kept on giving

THERE WAS no official death notice. The documents are sealed, there will be no autopsy. This will have to pass as the obituary. But after lingering on its deathbed, the great golden goose of the sports world was finally killed off last month. The cause of death: a complex and confidential settlement agreement. The chief survivors, brothers Ozzie and Daniel Silna, surely mourn, but they must take solace knowing that their $1 million investment in a sports team that went out of business nearly 40 years ago turned into more than $1 billion.


In 1974 the Silnas, East Coast garment magnates, bought an ABA franchise and moved it to St. Louis. The Spirits were a lovably dysfunctional collective that lasted only two seasons, but they spawned enough lore to merit a 30 for 30 documentary on ESPN last fall.

At the time, though, the team was not exactly a booming business. "We would have Dr. J or George Gervin come to town," says Bob Costas, the team's play-by-play announcer, "and even then, you'd look around and there might be 1,800 fans." At the end of the 1975--76 campaign the entire ABA was, as unofficial league historian Terry Pluto put it, "running out of gas." There were only seven teams left, and in the off-season four joined the NBA—the Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, New York Nets and San Antonio Spurs. The Virginia Squires simply folded. The owner of the Kentucky Colonels, John Y. Brown, accepted a $3.3 million payout to close up shop. (By decade's end Brown had become the Bluegrass State's governor.)

That left the Spirits. The franchise was unwanted by the NBA, but the aggrieved Silnas were unwilling to take a lump-sum payment to go away. With the help of their lawyer, Donald Schupak, the brothers cut a deal: The four ABA teams decamping to the NBA would make a one-time payment to the Silnas of $2.23 million, and they would pay the brothers one-seventh of their national broadcast revenues in perpetuity.

All first-year law students worth their highlighters know the danger of contracts without termination periods. The NBA's outside counsel—including a young lawyer, David Stern—saw this and tried to indemnify the league from disputes that might arise from the contract.

Schupak countered with a masterstroke: He inserted an intentionally broad definition of broadcast revenues, a clause that could one day make the contract applicable to distribution channels unimaginable in 1976. "I was blunt during these discussions," Schupak wrote in a 2012 legal declaration. "Rather than narrow the definition of TV revenues, I insisted instead that we add a new sentence [to] emphasize that this was a broad definition that could not be evaded or made obsolete."

Even so, the notion of significant NBA broadcast revenue was quixotic. The ABA never had a national television deal. And those were the days when the NBA Finals aired on tape delay after the local news at 11. There was no NBA League Pass or NBA.tv.

The surviving ABA teams signed the contract—mostly to rid themselves of these nuisance brothers—and the deal became the sports equivalent of Peter Minuit paying $24 for the island of Manhattan. According to court documents obtained by SI, the brothers received a total of $521,749 in 1980, the first year the contract vested. By '86--87 the annual payout eclipsed $1 million. By 1999--2000 it eclipsed $10 million. For 2010--11, the last season for which records are available, the Silnas made $17.5 million. After last season they had made more than $300 million cumulatively—with no end in sight.

The Silnas' arrangement has been called the best sports deal of the century, but that may be an understatement. "Keep in mind, they're not paying player salaries or leasing arenas. What was their margin?" says Scott Rosner, a professor of sports business at Wharton. "The moral: Never give away the rights to something with an unknown future value."

In 2009 the Silnas brothers invoked Schupak's broad revenue definition and filed suit seeking more money, arguing that they were entitled to digital and international rights as well as U.S. TV revenues. (This was the same year that one of the Silnas' financial managers, Bernard Madoff, pleaded guilty to running a Ponzi scheme, depleting the brothers' fortune.) When the case went before U.S. district court judge Loretta Preska, she encouraged both sides to settle. This was fine by the four teams—they had been trying for years to get out of the contract. And with another NBA television deal on the horizon with the expiration of the current one in 2016—"Could be close to $2 billion a year, if Adam [Silver] does his job," says one NBA executive—the Silnas' windfall would swell to $36 million annually.


Why would Ozzie and Daniel, now ages 81 and 69, respectively, settle this year? Neither the brothers nor Schupak would comment beyond confirming an "amicable settlement," and the agreement is confidential. But according to a source familiar with the settlement finalized last month, "They didn't come cheap." Multiple sources told SI that they were paid in excess of $500 million and have a small stake in the revenue the former ABA teams will earn from the new TV contract. Perpetuity may have ended, but their total haul will exceed $1 billion.

One among many, there's a great St. Louis Spirits story about Marvin (Bad News) Barnes, the team's best player and a peerless head case: After a game, the Spirits were preparing to depart on an 8 p.m. flight home from Louisville. Accounting for the change of time zones, the flight was to land at 7:56. Barnes saw the schedule, panicked and booked a rental car instead, reasoning, "I ain't gettin' on no time machine!"

Time travel was beyond the Silnas. But give them credit for glimpsing the future, envisioning the virtually limitless revenue that would come from sports media.

PHOTO ILLUSTRATION

Photograph by ARTHUR HUNDHAUSEN (DANIEL); SE/AP (OZZIE)

Photo Illustration by SI PREMEDIA

 

[Costanza]

Lol @ youngsters not comprehending this perfectly and asking AI if it is real.

Kids, don’t trust AI.

 

[Costanza]

That hoe still out there giving up 30 point triple doubles to Julius randle he ain't off the hook and he writing checks knowing we'll praise a hof player for scoring 18 points one time

This the thing
Well couple things

1 kuminga been scoring and it hasn't amount to shit
Do y'all get it now?
If curry and butler go 30 for 30 twice, that 2 wins every time in every series.

2. Everyone gets to kinda show up
And get the credit when they do for one game

This team is down 1 person they can't win 1 more game?
The wolves ain't good and with Steph we're 3-1 against the wolves this year
.like be for real

You’re officially excommunicated.

You can’t claim the title of Warriors fan anymore. Steph Slurper maybe but not Warriors fan.

 

[Costanza]

Warriors in 7. #StrengthInNumbers #WeBelieve

 

[jawnswoop]

@jawnswoop

You might find this article interesting.

THE BEST DEAL EVER

The Silna brothers turned an unwanted ABA franchise into $1 billion, just by going away. Now they're opting out of an NBA gift that has kept on giving THERE

vault.si.com

The Silna brothers turned an unwanted ABA franchise into $1 billion, just by going away. Now they're opting out of an NBA gift that has kept on giving

THERE WAS no official death notice. The documents are sealed, there will be no autopsy. This will have to pass as the obituary. But after lingering on its deathbed, the great golden goose of the sports world was finally killed off last month. The cause of death: a complex and confidential settlement agreement. The chief survivors, brothers Ozzie and Daniel Silna, surely mourn, but they must take solace knowing that their $1 million investment in a sports team that went out of business nearly 40 years ago turned into more than $1 billion.


In 1974 the Silnas, East Coast garment magnates, bought an ABA franchise and moved it to St. Louis. The Spirits were a lovably dysfunctional collective that lasted only two seasons, but they spawned enough lore to merit a 30 for 30 documentary on ESPN last fall.

At the time, though, the team was not exactly a booming business. "We would have Dr. J or George Gervin come to town," says Bob Costas, the team's play-by-play announcer, "and even then, you'd look around and there might be 1,800 fans." At the end of the 1975--76 campaign the entire ABA was, as unofficial league historian Terry Pluto put it, "running out of gas." There were only seven teams left, and in the off-season four joined the NBA—the Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, New York Nets and San Antonio Spurs. The Virginia Squires simply folded. The owner of the Kentucky Colonels, John Y. Brown, accepted a $3.3 million payout to close up shop. (By decade's end Brown had become the Bluegrass State's governor.)

That left the Spirits. The franchise was unwanted by the NBA, but the aggrieved Silnas were unwilling to take a lump-sum payment to go away. With the help of their lawyer, Donald Schupak, the brothers cut a deal: The four ABA teams decamping to the NBA would make a one-time payment to the Silnas of $2.23 million, and they would pay the brothers one-seventh of their national broadcast revenues in perpetuity.

All first-year law students worth their highlighters know the danger of contracts without termination periods. The NBA's outside counsel—including a young lawyer, David Stern—saw this and tried to indemnify the league from disputes that might arise from the contract.

Schupak countered with a masterstroke: He inserted an intentionally broad definition of broadcast revenues, a clause that could one day make the contract applicable to distribution channels unimaginable in 1976. "I was blunt during these discussions," Schupak wrote in a 2012 legal declaration. "Rather than narrow the definition of TV revenues, I insisted instead that we add a new sentence [to] emphasize that this was a broad definition that could not be evaded or made obsolete."

Even so, the notion of significant NBA broadcast revenue was quixotic. The ABA never had a national television deal. And those were the days when the NBA Finals aired on tape delay after the local news at 11. There was no NBA League Pass or NBA.tv.

The surviving ABA teams signed the contract—mostly to rid themselves of these nuisance brothers—and the deal became the sports equivalent of Peter Minuit paying $24 for the island of Manhattan. According to court documents obtained by SI, the brothers received a total of $521,749 in 1980, the first year the contract vested. By '86--87 the annual payout eclipsed $1 million. By 1999--2000 it eclipsed $10 million. For 2010--11, the last season for which records are available, the Silnas made $17.5 million. After last season they had made more than $300 million cumulatively—with no end in sight.

The Silnas' arrangement has been called the best sports deal of the century, but that may be an understatement. "Keep in mind, they're not paying player salaries or leasing arenas. What was their margin?" says Scott Rosner, a professor of sports business at Wharton. "The moral: Never give away the rights to something with an unknown future value."

In 2009 the Silnas brothers invoked Schupak's broad revenue definition and filed suit seeking more money, arguing that they were entitled to digital and international rights as well as U.S. TV revenues. (This was the same year that one of the Silnas' financial managers, Bernard Madoff, pleaded guilty to running a Ponzi scheme, depleting the brothers' fortune.) When the case went before U.S. district court judge Loretta Preska, she encouraged both sides to settle. This was fine by the four teams—they had been trying for years to get out of the contract. And with another NBA television deal on the horizon with the expiration of the current one in 2016—"Could be close to $2 billion a year, if Adam [Silver] does his job," says one NBA executive—the Silnas' windfall would swell to $36 million annually.


Why would Ozzie and Daniel, now ages 81 and 69, respectively, settle this year? Neither the brothers nor Schupak would comment beyond confirming an "amicable settlement," and the agreement is confidential. But according to a source familiar with the settlement finalized last month, "They didn't come cheap." Multiple sources told SI that they were paid in excess of $500 million and have a small stake in the revenue the former ABA teams will earn from the new TV contract. Perpetuity may have ended, but their total haul will exceed $1 billion.

One among many, there's a great St. Louis Spirits story about Marvin (Bad News) Barnes, the team's best player and a peerless head case: After a game, the Spirits were preparing to depart on an 8 p.m. flight home from Louisville. Accounting for the change of time zones, the flight was to land at 7:56. Barnes saw the schedule, panicked and booked a rental car instead, reasoning, "I ain't gettin' on no time machine!"

Time travel was beyond the Silnas. But give them credit for glimpsing the future, envisioning the virtually limitless revenue that would come from sports media.

PHOTO ILLUSTRATION

Photograph by ARTHUR HUNDHAUSEN (DANIEL); SE/AP (OZZIE)

Photo Illustration by SI PREMEDIA

Bookmarked for later!

 

[jawnswoop]

I'm not sure if the NBA plans on doing that because they will tell you that injuries have always been a part of the game. Furthermore, they have been using an 82 game schedule since 1967 -1968 (that's roughly 57 years), and I believe this is the major problem with the idea of shortening the season and the playoffs.

The NBA probably has the highest average salaries for players and I believe a portion of that money is generated from television revenue (TNT, ABC, ESPN, The NBA Channel, NBA League Pass, Amazon Prime Video 2025). So, I'm thinking the more games they air on television, the more money.

Furthermore, look at how the NBA playoff format has changed over the years:

NBA playoffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You never know because adam sliver is willing to change things but the owners have the power to keep things the way they are since it puts more money in their pockets even with the risk of players getting hurt putting their bodies on the line.

 

[M.H.C.]

Fuck this dude

 

[KingTaharqa]

Nikola Chokic needs more help!!!!

 

[dtownsfinest]

At some point,people gotta start looking at Spider,why he hasn't gone to the conference finals...



I'll never understood,how they gave Allen and D. Gizzle their money when one is strictly a defensive player who once in awhile have a good offensive game while the other is always hurt and chokes all the time,especially when it matters.


As,for Mobley;the organization keep holding him back. I thought organization should have given the keys to Mobley instead of D. Gizzle when he got drafted.


When,Mobley came out of college everyone had him being a KG clone because he has the same body type and has a better three-point range than KG. You see flashes but he doesn't get the ball often because Spider and D. Gizzle has the ball most of the time.


I do see them trading Allen or Garland,maybe both during the off-season.

I think it's time for them to promote Emoni Bates to Garland's position...imo





Fixed for accuracy.....

Yeah Garland and Allen gotta go. Mobley is the key. Lean on him more. Starts with getting rid of Allen.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Fuck this dude

Naw don’t do this to Murray lol

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[BlackGoku]

This BS will end tonight ...

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[therealjondoe]

Once again pat made the right move

 

[M.H.C.]

Naw don’t do this to Murray lol

Anybody can get it. Murray, Russ, MPJ, Braun.

But Murray did show up last night for the most part. Still had some dumbass turnovers that a CERTAIN player on the Nuggets would’ve got killed for

 

[Complex]

Mitchell Robinson stuck around long enough for this

 

[M.H.C.]

“Y’all gon write us the fuck off man”

D Mitch, you stamped. It’s your teammates we about write off

 

[Complex]

Damn it, Perk said what I said, but not using Lebron...because nobody questioned Lebron

I was saying when Luka got tired, people said that he needs to get in better shape

Joker gets tired and they blame his teammates and say he needs a better supporting cast

Not he needs to be in better shape....he's not exactly Dwight Howard

 

[M.H.C.]

 

[M.H.C.]

Damn it, Perk said what I said, but not using Lebron...because nobody questioned Lebron

I was saying when Luka got tired, people said that he needs to get in better shape

Joker gets tired and they blame his teammates and say he needs a better supporting cast

Not he needs to be in better shape....he's not exactly Dwight Howard

Perk is an idiot and if you agree with him, what does that make you?


Jokic, just like Luka are not conditioned athletes but this is a terrible take. Yes Jokic needs his guys to step the fuck up. Jokic had 44 points, 15 boards , 5 assists and 2 steals in 44 minutes. 44 fucking minutes. He can’t get tired after doing it all for 44 fucking minutes!!! This gotta be the dumbest shit I’ve heard someone say/type

WHAT IN THE FUCK ELSE YOU WANT HIM TO DO! His teammates need to step up. He has help but he needs them to perform

 

[M.H.C.]

You’re officially excommunicated.

You can’t claim the title of Warriors fan anymore. Steph Slurper maybe but not Warriors fan.

Well my team about to get eliminated but y’all will keep providing the entertainment on here

 

[therealjondoe]

 

[dtownsfinest]

Anybody can get it. Murray, Russ, MPJ, Braun.

But Murray did show up last night for the most part. Still had some dumbass turnovers that a CERTAIN player on the Nuggets would’ve got killed for

You said turnovers are cool long as you make up for it lol..

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Extendo version.

@‘s will be @‘d tonight

 

[jawnswoop]

 

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