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His teammates and coaches suck.
If I were his teammate I'd ask him to sit out if he doesn't want to play. Dude's literally worthless on the court.
The most annoying thing about LeBron's legacy is how everyone claims it ain't the greatest but shamelessly uses it for clout. Kobe was never in a GOAT discussion until LeBron got in one. When he actually played no one acted like he was better than Kareem. Soon as he dies (directly after the GOAT laps him on the scoring list) he's now a top 2 all timer above Wilt, Kareem, and Russell? That mutha fucka didn't win no individual accolades playing next to Shaq and didn't develop into the man on his team til his 8th season. It's laughable and disrespectful at this point. But I don't mind it cuz long term people will see the shooting guard stanbases are the least knowledgeable and most reliant on narratives over production and impact. They need to just say he's their favorite and stop overrating him tryna measure up to Bron.
Like i said, theres a reason people refuse to put Steph into the shooting guard category where he rightfully belongs.. They have no problem doing it to Allen Iverson who literally played PG most of his career tho.But I don't mind it cuz long term people will see the shooting guard stanbases are the least knowledgeable and most reliant on narratives over production and impact. They need to just say he's their favorite and stop overrating him tryna measure up to Bron.
Now there was never an MJ vs Kobe debateDude just lies…
There wasn't. You Kobe stans said he was the closest thing to MJ and never once attempted to pit his legacy against his. No one argued Kobe as the greatest player ever til he died. MJ and Kobe stans use to cross promote brands and pile on LeBron's. Now we gotta pretend Kobe had his own seperate legacy from all that? His whole persona was being an extension of another player. How can that be the greatest? Most Kobe fans are scared to say he's better than Jordan outright.
OKC is kinda just like Utah, close enough to Louisiana and Karl Malone, so statutory rape is fine
Adam Silver is wack for not suspending his nasty ass.
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3 kids and the 7 year jackpot
. That's what he gets for marrying a damn cheerleader
OKC is kinda just like Utah, close enough to Louisiana and Karl Malone, so statutory rape is fine
Adam Silver is wack for not suspending his nasty ass.
I'm surprised the been kinda quiet on this one.
Has there ever been a similar case like this with an active player before?
There wasn't. You Kobe stans said he was the closest thing to MJ and never once attempted to pit his legacy against his. No one argued Kobe as the greatest player ever til he died. MJ and Kobe stans use to cross promote brands and pile on LeBron's. Now we gotta pretend Kobe had his own seperate legacy from all that? His whole persona was being an extension of another player. How can that be the greatest? Most Kobe fans are scared to say he's better than Jordan outright.
I could post broadcast footage of analysts contemplating or flat-out stating that Kobe was better than MJ when Kobe was in his prime. But seeing as I'm the only person dumb enough to contest your points, I'm not going to double down on stupid by proving you wrong when you'll just pivot to another point (as here with the totally irrelevant "extension of another player" tangent).
These modern players are turning Kobe into a damn myth
Lebron is sitting here in real time, spanning over two decades, extending past multiple all time greats in their primes, creating records that will never be broken....and folks still clamoring for a copy cat, less efficient, lesser defending Michael Jordan remix. Shit doesn't make sense.
3 kids and the 7 year jackpot
Nikki Sapp, girlfriend of Heat coach Erik Spoelstra
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Everything is a conspiracy with you two. So now everybody who debated Steph vs Magic, many of whom chose Magic, was just being dishonest?
The backcourt for the entire Warriors dynasty was Klay & Steph. Pretty obvious to me who the SG was and who the PG was.
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These modern players are turning Kobe into a damn myth
There are different measures of greatness. I think LeBron deserves credit for his incredible durability. But too many people are equating being the best player 21 years in with being the greatest overall-- while that is a strong argument for him as having the greatest career and I don't think Kobe can touch him in that regard, the fact that injuries ended Kobe's career and that didn't happen to LeBron doesn't automatically make LeBron greater.
Another measure of greatness-- a stronger one IMO-- is evaluating players at their peak. Who's best beats who's best. In that regard, I still take prime Kobe over prime LeBron.
(This reply is to durham: KingStan, don't you fucking reply to this post-- you have nothing new to say and this is not meant to be catnip for your obsession.)
Dude is overrated
He's like Evan Mobley, role player. Big difference when Ja is there to take the attention off you.
How are you almost 7 feet and Russ gets more boards than you.
I give him a semi-pass because he's being coached by an idiot....With that said, you might not be wrong,though....
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You dont understand that most sports debate topics and discussions are engineered and tailored for specific purposes and serve to promote and platform players and leagues? How is this conspiracy? But to address the overall idea of conspiracy- YES, they do exist in sports. And yes, ANYONE holding a serious discussion about Steph Curry being a better point guard than Magic Johnson is either dishonest or fucking stupid.
This isnt 1979.. mere lineup slots doesnt dictate position. Roles and responsibility and court position are far more important. By those metrics, Steph simply was not and is not the PG. Saying that isnt an insult or slight. Its fact.
He played with bothThese modern players are turning Kobe into a damn myth
Glad you see it. It pushes a narrative and helps prop up an industry. They mythologize the guy and it serves to further monetize and idolize his image. Its almost like we didnt see him flat out stink his last 3 years while driving that franchise into the fucking dumpster.These modern players are turning Kobe into a damn myth
Then you have idiots like this who reduce LeBrons greatness into a marathon award and attempt to devalue it by discounting it as a result of merely staying healthy by way of luck.
... As if you cant cherrypick ANY season and see a consistent 28 7 7 campaign with top 5 MVP share and all NBA selection.
Yea.. He "played" with LeBron for two weeks last year when he was trash and couldnt sniff the court. But whats this have to do with @durham overall point?
Also, Bron dropped 50 points on Ariza bum ass in high school after Ariza called him overrated.
Little ironic that it is you telling me "This isn't 1979"
The Warriors first championship starting lineup:
Bogut
Green
Barnes
Thompson
Curry
What position was each player?
I'm not sure how many years Willie Mays was really bad but the most common description I've ever heard of him was letting the ball go over his head in the outfield as the definitory imagery of a once-great player past his prime.
Maybe you could knock his overall career for staying too long, if you just want to average the quality of each year and sum it up that way.
But, reasonably, 28 year old Willie Mays will always be 28 year old Willie Mays. There's nothing 36 year old Willie Mays could do to make the 28 year old version of him greater or lesser. If he at 28 was better than anyone else ever at any age, you could still argue he was the GOAT regardless.
I don't care if he played until he was 70 and was the worst player in the league for decades. The past greatness cannot be reduced or lessened-- the past is what it was. It is simply illogical to say that Tom Brady can't be the goat because he isn't good at 45, Willie Mays can't be the GOAT because he was a shell of himself at the end or that Kobe should be defined by his post-Achilles years when he was obviously unable to perform as he did when he was great.
Show me where you or Kobe stans on this board have vehemently argued Kobe is the greatest player of all time prior to his death? Just being grouped with MJ and being "close" was enough and as long Kobe was portrayed as better than young LeBron, the brand was content. There was never an MJ vs. Kobe debate and no one ranked Kobe over the Wilts, Kareems, etc. Dude didn't play a meaningful game of basketball his last 4 years and no one considered his farewell tour last season the last chance to see the greatest ever. There's nothing wrong with Kobe being your favorite player but revising his story in real time to overrate his standing in NBA history isn't gonna work.
Imagine writing an entire defense of Tobe Bean when you are so out of supporting evidence involving actual Tobe Bean that you create entire arguments around Willie fucking Mays and Tom Brady that literally nobody cares to debunk, dispute, or entertain. This is wildly inane behavior.
He played with 28 year old Kobe and won a chip. He played with 37 year old Bron and was cut before the season ended.
He also has a long running rivalry with LeBron going back to high school. It's his opinion, but we watched Kobe, it's not like were talking about a guy 40 years ago. When folks cap and overrate it's pretty blatant cuz we watched his whole career and we have video footage and stats showing what happened. Kobe is from an era where myths and reputation could be curated easier than they can today.
These modern players are turning Kobe into a damn myth
Also unlike Kobe and Jordan, Lebron did not have to be a asshole to everyone to be great.
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