Lets get this straight STOP calling us BOOMERS!! which generation do you fall into?

which generation do you fall into?

  • The Silents, born 1925–1945

  • Baby Boomers, born 1946–1964

  • Gen X, born 1965–1979

  • Millennials, born 1980–1994

  • Gen Z, born 1995–2012

  • Xennials, born 1977 - 1983


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It’s not just a stereotype: Gen Z really does ‘have a work ethic problem’​


Jean Twenge, a psychologist who studies generational differences, has spent years tracking the data provided by the Monitoring the Future survey, which annually records how high school seniors feel about a variety of topics, from their own daily habits to the state of the world.

Her look at the most recent survey shows that work ethic among 18-year-olds took a nosedive in 2021 and 2022, with the proportion of respondents saying they wanted to do their best in their job “even if this sometimes means working overtime” dropping to just 36% last year, from 53.74% in 2020.
“Gen Z really does have a work ethic problem,” Twenge wrote in her analysis of the data for her “Generation Tech” newsletter.

Gen Z is generally defined as those born between 1997 and 2012; they’re now about 11 to 26 years old.

“It’s really unusual to see changes that sharp in this kind of research,” said Twenge, who is also the author of “Generations: The Real Differences Between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers, and Silents ― and What They Mean for America’s Future.”

The percentage of high school seniors who said they expect their chosen work to be extremely satisfying also dropped sharply over the last two years, to about 20.4%, down from 26.4% in 2020.

The survey also asked: “If you were to get enough money to live as comfortably as you’d like for the rest of your life, would you want to work?”

70% of respondents said yes, down from 78% in 2020.

The data show that some social media trends — from quiet quitting to lazy girl jobs and other viral moments of young people questioning the traditional approach to work — are speaking to a broader shift occurring among Gen Z, Twenge said.

Those social media conversations capture “something about those very pronounced declines,” she said, though she added that cultural conversations about work-life balance have been going on for decades.

The reconfiguration could also be happening across age groups, not just among teenagers.

“There’s the possibility that the pandemic really was a big reset of attitudes around work in many ways,” she said. “Generations happen because cultures change. It’s not that young people wake up one day and decide to be a certain way.”

But drawing harsh conclusions about the differences between age groups can be counterproductive, she cautioned.

“Is this a decline in work ethic, or an increase in the desire for work-life balance? It depends on your perspective,” she said.

Gen Z’s other shifting sentiments
It’s not just work-life balance that’s shifting in the eyes of Gen Z. They’re questioning other traditions, too, including going to college.

A data analysis from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis found that, among certain groups, Gen Zers were more likely than not to believe that going to college wasn’t a worthwhile investment.

Less than half of some Gen Z groups — those who went to college but didn’t graduate, women, and Black and Hispanic adults — believed the lifetime financial benefits of college would outweigh the costs, according to the Fed’s 2022 Survey of Household Economics and Decisionmaking.

That doesn’t mean they’re not investing elsewhere: a new study from Fidelity found that Gen Zers lead the way when it comes to women investing in the stock market — more women in Gen Z are investing than in any other generation group, the study showed.

 
Missing the Xennials generation. (1977 to 1983)

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Same. I’m willing to bet that’s a lot of us.


I think OP gotta add it to the voting options one time


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It’s not just a stereotype: Gen Z really does ‘have a work ethic problem’​


Jean Twenge, a psychologist who studies generational differences, has spent years tracking the data provided by the Monitoring the Future survey, which annually records how high school seniors feel about a variety of topics, from their own daily habits to the state of the world.

Her look at the most recent survey shows that work ethic among 18-year-olds took a nosedive in 2021 and 2022, with the proportion of respondents saying they wanted to do their best in their job “even if this sometimes means working overtime” dropping to just 36% last year, from 53.74% in 2020.
“Gen Z really does have a work ethic problem,” Twenge wrote in her analysis of the data for her “Generation Tech” newsletter.

Gen Z is generally defined as those born between 1997 and 2012; they’re now about 11 to 26 years old.

“It’s really unusual to see changes that sharp in this kind of research,” said Twenge, who is also the author of “Generations: The Real Differences Between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers, and Silents ― and What They Mean for America’s Future.”

The percentage of high school seniors who said they expect their chosen work to be extremely satisfying also dropped sharply over the last two years, to about 20.4%, down from 26.4% in 2020.

The survey also asked: “If you were to get enough money to live as comfortably as you’d like for the rest of your life, would you want to work?”

70% of respondents said yes, down from 78% in 2020.

The data show that some social media trends — from quiet quitting to lazy girl jobs and other viral moments of young people questioning the traditional approach to work — are speaking to a broader shift occurring among Gen Z, Twenge said.

Those social media conversations capture “something about those very pronounced declines,” she said, though she added that cultural conversations about work-life balance have been going on for decades.

The reconfiguration could also be happening across age groups, not just among teenagers.

“There’s the possibility that the pandemic really was a big reset of attitudes around work in many ways,” she said. “Generations happen because cultures change. It’s not that young people wake up one day and decide to be a certain way.”

But drawing harsh conclusions about the differences between age groups can be counterproductive, she cautioned.

“Is this a decline in work ethic, or an increase in the desire for work-life balance? It depends on your perspective,” she said.

Gen Z’s other shifting sentiments
It’s not just work-life balance that’s shifting in the eyes of Gen Z. They’re questioning other traditions, too, including going to college.

A data analysis from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis found that, among certain groups, Gen Zers were more likely than not to believe that going to college wasn’t a worthwhile investment.

Less than half of some Gen Z groups — those who went to college but didn’t graduate, women, and Black and Hispanic adults — believed the lifetime financial benefits of college would outweigh the costs, according to the Fed’s 2022 Survey of Household Economics and Decisionmaking.

That doesn’t mean they’re not investing elsewhere: a new study from Fidelity found that Gen Zers lead the way when it comes to women investing in the stock market — more women in Gen Z are investing than in any other generation group, the study showed.


Judging people's worth ethic by their generation is useless. You might as well judge them by their zodiac sign.

For example, about a year ago I flew out to visit my gen z daughter. I stepped off the plane and rented a car with a backup camera. She stared at the screen wide-eyed like she just seen a UFO.

According to generational theory gen z is much more savvy with technology than people of my generation. So why was she so shocked?

The reason is that she lives in a community where people tend to drive cars that were built before this technology became standard. She's also too young to rent a car on her own.

Ethnicity, geography, and family income have a lot more to do with the way people interact with the world then the arbitrary "generation" they grew up in.
 
Missing the Xennials generation. (1977 to 1983)

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I'm technically a Xennial but we are often not mentioned. I saw an article the other day that said gen x ended in like 1975 and then they counted the millenials from 1984! They skipped an entire group of people! We are not even mentioned in countless other articles...it's always fuckin boomers and millenials.
 
Judging people's worth ethic by their generation is useless. You might as well judge them by their zodiac sign.

For example, about a year ago I flew out to visit my gen z daughter. I stepped off the plane and rented a car with a backup camera. She stared at the screen wide-eyed like she just seen a UFO.

According to generational theory gen z is much more savvy with technology than people of my generation. So why was she so shocked?

The reason is that she lives in a community where people tend to drive cars that were built before this technology became standard. She's also too young to rent a car on her own.

Ethnicity, geography, and family income have a lot more to do with the way people interact with the world then the arbitrary "generation" they grew up in.
So because you can’t see it, and because your daughter is the exception to the rule, folks should throw their reasoning out the window?

That’s as thick as your opening stanza.
 
I'm technically a Xennial but we are often not mentioned. I saw an article the other day that said gen x ended in like 1975 and then they counted the millenials from 1984! They skipped an entire group of people! We are not even mentioned in countless other articles...it's always fuckin boomers and millenials.
Many people do know about it and use it but you’re right, it’s not mentioned too often in popular media just yet. That change is on the horizon though as it’s been accepted by the Oxford dictionary with Merriam-Webster’s following suit.
 
This forum is clearly a Gen X'er spot.

As a millenial I was the first kid in my neighborhood who had AOL(~96), so I was of the first generation who's prime socialization factor through most of my life was on the Internet. In that regard we are able to see things differently than older generations who did not. Even now, in that Michelle Tucker thread, we have men who have been alive since the 70's who are so unsocialized on the internet that they cant tell this "Millenial lady" types in the exact same style as a man who is all up in that thread writing paragraphs on paragraphs, but I digress.

My millenial story:

First on the computer with windows 95 in 1996.
First on the internet with AOL same year.
Tech died when I was in middle school(dot com bubble)
We experienced 9/11 and entered the longest war(s) in American history when I was in middle school.
Was in high school when Youtube was created, it didnt even work on older computers
Had to learn to program by checking out BASIC books from the library
Graduated from High school the year the app store was created
The economy died in college(Great recession)
Intern with the explosion of modern app development(and I was lucky most kids during this time couldnt intern at all)
Graduated into a market with depressed wages(as a computer science major from Georgia tech my first fulltime salary was 47k in Atlanta.) Many kids were coming out to work at accenture for 30-35k in engineering.

I was probably the last high school class where kids having a cell phone was a rarity. Hell, my high school still had a pay phone on campus.

I will say Millenial is such a wide bucket that the differences could vary hugely between someone born in the 80's and someone born in 94. A kid born in 94 started in high school where there was an app store and an Iphone.
 
So because you can’t see it, and because your daughter is the exception to the rule, folks should throw their reasoning out the window?

That’s as thick as your opening stanza.

This was the first example that came to mind. Outside of my daughter I constantly see people of all ages defy their generational stereotypes. There are so many exceptions that these categories, and the research done to support them, are useless.

Take this article for instance. It draws its conclusion on gen Z's work ethic based on their opinion of overtime. This is a terrible data set for an age group that doesn't have to support themselves financially and may have never "worked" a single day in their lives.

Instead of asking opinions why not ask how many hours they spend doing homework or studying for tests? Look at their grades. High school dropout rates. These would give you a far more accurate picture than these stupid polls.

When you ask these kinds of questions you will start to see that these arbitrary generational boxes don't make much sense.
 
This forum is clearly a Gen X'er spot.

As a millenial I was the first kid in my neighborhood who had AOL(~96), so I was of the first generation who's prime socialization factor through most of my life was on the Internet. In that regard we are able to see things differently than older generations who did not. Even now, in that Michelle Tucker thread, we have men who have been alive since the 70's who are so unsocialized on the internet that they cant tell this "Millenial lady" types in the exact same style as a man who is all up in that thread writing paragraphs on paragraphs, but I digress.

My millenial story:

First on the computer with windows 95 in 1996.
First on the internet with AOL same year.
Tech died when I was in middle school(dot com bubble)
We experienced 9/11 and entered the longest war(s) in American history when I was in middle school.
Was in high school when Youtube was created, it didnt even work on older computers
Had to learn to program by checking out BASIC books from the library
Graduated from High school the year the app store was created
The economy died in college(Great recession)
Intern with the explosion of modern app development(and I was lucky most kids during this time couldnt intern at all)
Graduated into a market with depressed wages(as a computer science major from Georgia tech my first fulltime salary was 47k in Atlanta.) Many kids were coming out to work at accenture for 30-35k in engineering.

I was probably the last high school class where kids having a cell phone was a rarity. Hell, my high school still had a pay phone on campus.

I will say Millenial is such a wide bucket that the differences could vary hugely between someone born in the 80's and someone born in 94. A kid born in 94 started in high school where there was an app store and an Iphone.

You're right!

I would also add that your experiences have far more to do with which part of the country, or which country, you grew up in.
 
This was the first example that came to mind. Outside of my daughter I constantly see people of all ages defy their generational stereotypes. There are so many exceptions that these categories, and the research done to support them, are useless.

Take this article for instance. It draws its conclusion on gen Z's work ethic based on their opinion of overtime. This is a terrible data set for an age group that doesn't have to support themselves financially and may have never "worked" a single day in their lives.

Instead of asking opinions why not ask how many hours they spend doing homework or studying for tests? Look at their grades. High school dropout rates. These would give you a far more accurate picture than these stupid polls.

When you ask these kinds of questions you will start to see that these arbitrary generational boxes don't make much sense.
You sound like one of these Gen X/Boomers who had everything handed to em, yet make every excuse in the book as to “why Millenials and Gen Z are lazy…”. Mind you, both of these previous generations have been PROVEN to have had a walk in the park and couldn’t hold a candle to what these new generations are going through. Yea, you could buy a house with a summer job, but go buy one now with nothing to your name. See how well you fare and let’s see where that argument takes you.

But lemme guess.. these are “polls” that don’t matter right?

Considering all these Boomers and some Gen X’s are STILL eating up space in the workforce, contrary to YOUR belief, which is it all it is, the empirical data shows these older generations benefitted from zero debt and a more than livable wage that was afforded to you.

The rest of the world weren’t so lucky so your anecdote is highly mistaken and highly misplaced.
 
You sound like one of these Gen X/Boomers who had everything handed to em, yet make every excuse in the book as to “why Millenials and Gen Z are lazy…”. Mind you, both of these previous generations have been PROVEN to have had a walk in the park and couldn’t hold a candle to what these new generations are going through. Yea, you could buy a house with a summer job, but go buy one now with nothing to your name. See how well you fare and let’s see where that argument takes you.

But lemme guess.. these are “polls” that don’t matter right?

Considering all these Boomers and some Gen X’s are STILL eating up space in the workforce, contrary to YOUR belief, which is it all it is, the empirical data shows these older generations benefitted from zero debt and a more than livable wage that was afforded to you.

The rest of the world weren’t so lucky so your anecdote is highly mistaken and highly misplaced.

I have never accused millennials or gen z of being lazy and I never would. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

Perhaps it's because I said there are 18 year olds who have never worked a day in their lives.

It's true! Regardless of generation not every teenager gets an after-school or summer job.

Perhaps it's what I said about overtime. Recall that the article tried to correlate a negative opinion of overtime to a lower work ethic.

In reality, you don't judge work ethic by opinion you judge it by results. Since most 18-year-olds don't have to support themselves financially the best way to measure their work ethic is through their school performance. It's as true now as it was when I was 18.

When it comes to earning a livable wage and buying property I can't relate to what you said above. My wage became a lot more livable the moment I moved to the United States in 2008. At that time America's unemployment reached an all-time high since the depression, but in the Bay Area things were better than Vancouver's "boomtown" years.

At age 30 I only had one friend in my peer group who owned a home. A tiny condo in a recently drained swamp.

In my personal experience it has always been hard to buy a house and wages have never been livable. The idea that younger people have it even worse is horrifying.

When you talk about boomers and gen xers eating up space in the workplace, I have to ask, at what age are they supposed to quit?

If your employer is a boomer or gen xer what would their quitting mean for your job?

This world has serious problems. It's going to take people of all ages to fix them. It's important that we learn to respect and understand each other. Bullshit articles like this make it harder to do.
 
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