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Dr. Tommy Curry on Black Manhood and CRT
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Listening right now
Good spit thanks for sharing!
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Wish I was able to articulate my thoughts to this degree.
Perfectly chosen definitive words, no pausing, no ummmm’s…… just poetic.
That’s all
Carry on……
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This Brotha needs to do a TED Talk too.
I like how he rejects Intersectionality and all the other movements that ride the Black movement's coattails and piggyback off of OUR struggles.
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Fire post!
Wow. That brother was spitting straight fire!
5 star post!
Wow. That brother was spitting straight fire!
5 star post!
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Will listen later, that k god for Android phones.
THE INVENTION OF RACE IN THE EUROPEAN MIDDLE AGES
In The Invention of Race in the European Middle Ages, Geraldine Heng questions the common assumption that race and racisms only began in the modern era. Examining Europe’s encounters with Jews, Muslims, Africans, Native Americans, Mongols, and the Romani (“Gypsies”) from the twelfth through fifteenth centuries, she shows how racial thinking, racial law, racial practices, and racial phenomena existed in medieval Europe before a recognizable vocabulary of race emerged in the West. Analyzing sources in a variety of media, including stories, maps, statuary, illustrations, architectural features, history, saints’ lives, religious commentary, laws, political and social institutions, and literature, she argues that religion – so much in play again today – enabled the positing of fundamental differences among humans that created strategic essentialisms to mark off human groups and populations for racialized treatment. Her groundbreaking study also shows how race figured in the emergence of homo europaeus and the identity of Western Europe in this time.
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This is a bit drier read BUT it does show the development of what would become "race" classifications as it developed between the 1100s and 1500s Europe. For example sub-Saharan Africans were generally called Ethiopians. That was the catch-all term for any dark skin African, western Europeans encountered at that time. You don't necessarily see the term "Black" used for Africans in the early middle ages but you see it in their artwork...BUT many of the images in their art that portrayed bad things like executioners and negative religious symbols were characterized with black colored skin and African features, so you start to see an early connection with Black = sin/evil/unredeemable. Its not necessarily SAID but its SHOWN.
Around the 1300s and 1400s you start to see the term "Black" in association with dark skin Africans. As the slave trade moved across the Atlantic to western Europe, the catholic church in Spain starts to use its influence to further marry the color Black + unredeemable sin + slavery = dark skin Africans are supposed to have this position in a social structure in life.
This is adopted in the Americas and by the late 1600s, 1700s the colonies/USA are looking for ways to perfect the slave system they have by developing chattel slavery making the condition heritable and permanent for offspring thru the mother. While all this is happening the term Black and Slave are used interchangeably and synonymously in their laws and customs. When you say slave you mean Black and when you say Black its understood its about a person of the lowest social order.
All of this took centuries to work out but by the 1800s the culture had solidified and the perception of Africans/American Blacks had been set. So by the time slavery was "abolished" (except as a form of punishment for crime) the immediate response was to come up with work arounds for this group of people whom the Bible deemed unredeemable and therefore subjugation was supposed to be their normal and rightful state of living. Hence Black Codes and Vagrancy Laws and Jim Crow Laws and before you know it we're in the latter part of the 20th century around the1960s before the last vestiges of all that shit is officially removed tho the perceptions and treatment remains defacto.
All those CENTURIES in developing a specific perception and treatment of "Black" People and motherfuckers think all that's changed in the last 50 years....
I agree with like 99.5% of what he said...the only part I could see black woman taking issue with is the part where he said
when you look at police killings for instance you'll find that femininity devoids some of the animus that whites feel towards black targets....
when you look at economic progress and education you see that black women have slight advantages in those areas...
these points do nothing but pit black men against black women in a whose suffered more pissing contest that BOTH sides need to avoid.
I'm willing to bet that any black woman watching the vid was like....
until he made those statements and they probably went....
BOTH sides need to understand and agree that we BOTH have been and are getting fucked over in a white supremist system that systematically devalues OUR humanity regardless of gender. And WE need to figure out ways to stick together to combat it.
Otherwise...I agree with the rest of his points and observations.
In The Invention of Race in the European Middle Ages, Geraldine Heng questions the common assumption that race and racisms only began in the modern era. Examining Europe’s encounters with Jews, Muslims, Africans, Native Americans, Mongols, and the Romani (“Gypsies”) from the twelfth through fifteenth centuries, she shows how racial thinking, racial law, racial practices, and racial phenomena existed in medieval Europe before a recognizable vocabulary of race emerged in the West. Analyzing sources in a variety of media, including stories, maps, statuary, illustrations, architectural features, history, saints’ lives, religious commentary, laws, political and social institutions, and literature, she argues that religion – so much in play again today – enabled the positing of fundamental differences among humans that created strategic essentialisms to mark off human groups and populations for racialized treatment. Her groundbreaking study also shows how race figured in the emergence of homo europaeus and the identity of Western Europe in this time.
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This is a bit drier read BUT it does show the development of what would become "race" classifications as it developed between the 1100s and 1500s Europe. For example sub-Saharan Africans were generally called Ethiopians. That was the catch-all term for any dark skin African, western Europeans encountered at that time. You don't necessarily see the term "Black" used for Africans in the early middle ages but you see it in their artwork...BUT many of the images in their art that portrayed bad things like executioners and negative religious symbols were characterized with black colored skin and African features, so you start to see an early connection with Black = sin/evil/unredeemable. Its not necessarily SAID but its SHOWN.
Around the 1300s and 1400s you start to see the term "Black" in association with dark skin Africans. As the slave trade moved across the Atlantic to western Europe, the catholic church in Spain starts to use its influence to further marry the color Black + unredeemable sin + slavery = dark skin Africans are supposed to have this position in a social structure in life.
This is adopted in the Americas and by the late 1600s, 1700s the colonies/USA are looking for ways to perfect the slave system they have by developing chattel slavery making the condition heritable and permanent for offspring thru the mother. While all this is happening the term Black and Slave are used interchangeably and synonymously in their laws and customs. When you say slave you mean Black and when you say Black its understood its about a person of the lowest social order.
All of this took centuries to work out but by the 1800s the culture had solidified and the perception of Africans/American Blacks had been set. So by the time slavery was "abolished" (except as a form of punishment for crime) the immediate response was to come up with work arounds for this group of people whom the Bible deemed unredeemable and therefore subjugation was supposed to be their normal and rightful state of living. Hence Black Codes and Vagrancy Laws and Jim Crow Laws and before you know it we're in the latter part of the 20th century around the1960s before the last vestiges of all that shit is officially removed tho the perceptions and treatment remains defacto.
All those CENTURIES in developing a specific perception and treatment of "Black" People and motherfuckers think all that's changed in the last 50 years....
I agree with like 99.5% of what he said...the only part I could see black woman taking issue with is the part where he said
when you look at police killings for instance you'll find that femininity devoids some of the animus that whites feel towards black targets....
when you look at economic progress and education you see that black women have slight advantages in those areas...
these points do nothing but pit black men against black women in a whose suffered more pissing contest that BOTH sides need to avoid.
I'm willing to bet that any black woman watching the vid was like....
until he made those statements and they probably went....
BOTH sides need to understand and agree that we BOTH have been and are getting fucked over in a white supremist system that systematically devalues OUR humanity regardless of gender. And WE need to figure out ways to stick together to combat it.
Otherwise...I agree with the rest of his points and observations.
Man. I'm 7 minutes in but had to comment before I forget. He is on intersectionality and is on the part of black women and black men. He made a point that is often overlooked in today's narrative. Men are the primary targets. You take men out, women and children follow. That's ancient doctrine right there.
I've brought it up when discussing police brutality. In the 90s and early 00s, we alway had the chicks hold our straps if we felt pigs would be encountered. If we wanted shit to get from A to B, have a woman do it and break her off.
If her tags legit and no warrant, she is going to be good. Us? CPD pulling up and claiming we didn't use a blinker. Car might get tossed. Even if stopped, her stop going down way different than ours.
And yeah, that goes for simply walking down the street. Academics who push intersectionality don't know shit about real life.
Not saying black women don't go through it every time their kids leave the home, but so do fathers.
Discussed this with my kids so they know the different challenges police encounters pose to them and more importantly WHY.
This is good so far.
I've brought it up when discussing police brutality. In the 90s and early 00s, we alway had the chicks hold our straps if we felt pigs would be encountered. If we wanted shit to get from A to B, have a woman do it and break her off.
If her tags legit and no warrant, she is going to be good. Us? CPD pulling up and claiming we didn't use a blinker. Car might get tossed. Even if stopped, her stop going down way different than ours.
And yeah, that goes for simply walking down the street. Academics who push intersectionality don't know shit about real life.Not saying black women don't go through it every time their kids leave the home, but so do fathers.
Discussed this with my kids so they know the different challenges police encounters pose to them and more importantly WHY.
This is good so far.
Damn. That was good. He is basically going against everything that the intersectional liberals are pushing right now. I'd love to chop it up with him since he mentioned hierarchy. Everything is framed as only worrying about whites, when that isn't the case anymore with hierarchy in the U.S.
Won't Hispanics and Asians do the same racialization on a systemic level? We already know they engage in it smaller settings. What kind of supremacy is that? How open are they to hearing about CRT as they gain more power and influence?
As white liberals further attack masculinity, what happens to black men who don't comply? I say that because he mentioned he part about hypermasculinity being a trait pinned on(not the exact words). He said he is already getting heat.
Won't Hispanics and Asians do the same racialization on a systemic level? We already know they engage in it smaller settings. What kind of supremacy is that? How open are they to hearing about CRT as they gain more power and influence?
As white liberals further attack masculinity, what happens to black men who don't comply? I say that because he mentioned he part about hypermasculinity being a trait pinned on(not the exact words). He said he is already getting heat.
any power and influence hispanics and asians get going forward will either play into the white supremacy scheme (remember latinos speak spanish..a language that is NOT indigenous to south america neither is the catholic religion and a lot of the culture they express is european influenced. And it will be a long time before asians become a significant political power in the meantime they skew white themselves.
And if either of those groups decide to go in a different direction they will butt heads directly with white supremacy and it would be interesting to see how that plays out. But heres a hint: VIOLENTLY
The only thing I question is when these professors talk about blackness as if its something thats always been there. And it hasn't. Its difficult to talk about dismantling a racist structure while using the language and definitions of it.
I will watch later...
Good looking out....gonna take some time to watch later
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Great perspective on intersectionality. He broke that down beautifully and thoroughly. Really good dialogue overall. Thanks for posting this @VAiz4hustlaz
Yeah, he is clearly hip to the fact that white liberal weirdos are going against straight black men. It became obvious how they were manipulating women. They use feminism and that alphabet shit to do it. And he is right about the guns too.Damn, I don't know how long he got until they try to cancel him. He clearly isn't with the program.
Damn, I don't know how long he got until they try to cancel him. He clearly isn't with the program.
He had to flee to Scotland to continue his academic career!!
Tommy Curry, Whose Remarks on Race Made Him a Target, Is Leaving the U.S. for Scotland
“We have to start asking real questions about whether or not academic freedom even applies to minority professors in America anymore,” he said.
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Scotland tho???He had to flee to Scotland to continue his academic career!!
Tommy Curry, Whose Remarks on Race Made Him a Target, Is Leaving the U.S. for Scotland
“We have to start asking real questions about whether or not academic freedom even applies to minority professors in America anymore,” he said.
So wait, why is it framed that white supremacists ran him out to Scotland? Robin Dianglelo gets attacked and has upped her speaking fees to a ridiculous level. Shaun King uses any attack to hype himself and even the scam rumors don't affect his employment. Ibram X is comfy as hell. In recent years, whites being mad is actually an employment booster and basically a chance to print money.He had to flee to Scotland to continue his academic career!!
Tommy Curry, Whose Remarks on Race Made Him a Target, Is Leaving the U.S. for Scotland
“We have to start asking real questions about whether or not academic freedom even applies to minority professors in America anymore,” he said.
So why would Curry have to leave? What could it be that he is doing different than the others? I wonder what that is?
Maybe it's that pesky 'black male studies' thing. That ain't going to fly in a world where a black woman says she can't define a woman because "I'm not a biologist". Who in theeeee fuck made it possible for a black woman to say some dumb shit like that? It was white liberals. That sure as fuck ain't a narrative black activists pushed unless they are playing the game for career advancement.
Sad that this cat won't get a push here. To the gatekeepers, he is basically an incel.
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Its probably for the best that he isn't given a large platform because he would be shouted down and run out of the room. Hell, a major network is much more likely to focus on the comments he made that led to him having to leave Texas A&M.
What I like about Curry is that his work isn't based upon opinions or feelings. His work is based upon empirical data and verifiable history.
He is welcoming to an opposing opinion if you have data to support your position.
I didnt know the history of how women were added to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act until I watched a video that Dr. Hasan Johnson posted about a paper that Dr. Curry wrote.
There is a direct link between modern day feminism and that addition by the congressman from Virginia. Not only that, black feminism seems to be based upon the assumption that if given the chance, black men will treat black women as white men have treated white women. I have never felt that to be true.
Dr. Curry and Dr. Johnson not only refute that assumption but he provides data to back it up. I can support that.
All roads seem to lead back to perpetuation of white supremacy. Left wing, right wing or anything in between.
I am not anti equality for black women but these modern day feminism talking points that some of them spout is bullshit. I dont agree with the incel or red pill stuff either. If feminists are such a sisterhood, where were the wide spread protests by white feminists when Sandra Bland was killed in custody? Where are the wide scale protests by white feminists about the discrimination in medical care for pregnant black women?
Thanks for starting and continuing the conversation about this.
Really good stuff. 
and you base that on what?
Regarding me feeling that black men will not treat black women as white men have treated white women, I can't say that I am basing my opinion on a study. Its just what I've seen amongst the male-female dynamic in my family, my personal life and amongst my friends. White dudes seem to be a lot more insecure regarding where the woman is in there life. Im not saying that insecure black men don't exist but I haven't seen that much in person.
Maybe I misunderstood your question and if I have let me know.
Maybe I misunderstood your question and if I have let me know.
I think all of this stuff concerning feminism is simply based on some issues and grievances women have in how their treated, regarded, whats expected of them and what theyre allowed to do. Say what you want about the feminist movement but all the basic things we all take for granted today are things they had to literally fight for.
Yeah, there are things that were unfair. That draft and dying for rich folks beefing was the shit for men. I wonder if all the millions of men who got killed after being drafted would have given it up to be homemakers.
But on the real side, I get your point. But seldom to people want fairness. They want shit better for them and we found the 'eat the cake and have it too' with the feminist movement. They want all the benefits of being treated like women with all the good points of manhood. Like it's a buffet.
But let's be honest. We don't need fucking studies to show that men tend to take advantage of women throughout history regardless of race, ethnicity, or geographical location. It's the norm rather than the exception. Given the chance, humans tend to fuck other humans over. And men are naturally more aggressive than women. It is what it is.
But the delusional aspect of white feminism is what is troubling and fucks over society. And it is that delusional aspect that has infected black women.
Intersectionality = Lazy Intellectualism
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