Most of what Charles Barkley said was true. Its fucked up that some of yall try to discredit him because he was an athlete and is married to a white woman. Who cares? If a so-called "intellectual" had said it, yall would be praising him. Charles always tells it like it is and doesnt hold his tongue and you gotta respect him for that.
Charles Barkley's Interview With The New Republic: "Black people are fucked up."
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Legacyns said:We don't even have to go that far. This is fuckin Charles Barkley. Mofos dun hear his half-illiterate @ss talkin shyt on TNT!!!C'mon now!!! All of sudden Charles Barkley is this great bastion of knowledge?
This is the reason why preacher still rule in the black community. We still think because someone is speaking on a serious issue that we should somehow give it credence or defer to their opinion.
Listen, when that mofo comes on the next game talking about the Pistons/Bulls or Spurs/Suns series, I am all ears!!! Outside of that, I don't care about Charles Barkley's opinion....
I had to get on Dan Liebtard on a website he frequents for writing a piss poor article bashing Al Sharpton, who I am not a big fan of but have a growing respect in light of his recent sonnings, citing Charles Barkley as a "voice of reason" for the African American community.
I said with all of the educated African Americans out there, you found enlightment through the wisdom of Charles Barkley?
He couldn't say jack shyt.
Here's a link to my blog where I smacked this journalists around who fell for the same bullshyt.
http://rebelsphere.blogspot.com/2007/02/my-recent-dialouge-with-journalist.html
What is NOT true are his musings about Barack Obama.Crown&Coke said:
Like my ex said, when we see Barack's black wife and their 2 black daughters, we see a mirror image of ourselves.
Charles Barkley is dead ass wrong for buying into the "he's not authentic" crap.
I don't care how much money or face times he has on television for people like you to be bought off by his surface level opinions.
gogolplex12 said:I apologize sir, for calling you an idiot. I also apologize for not spell checking my post before submitting.
According to you, you have judged "chuck" based on hearing him speak. I have judged you based on reading what you write. I am sorry, what exactly is your argument?
I was not trying to insult you sir. I was only stating my case that your opinions and lack of critical thought appear to me to be that shared by an idiot. You may not be an idiot. But from your posts on this subject you appear to be.......
"It is true of idiots, that the more absurd and foolish they are, and the more their opinions diverge from those universally held, the more likely are they to utter no word which they will wish to recall" - St. Augustine in Letter 143 to Marcellinus (A.D. 412)
I haven't judged Charles on just how poorly he speaks at times but rather on the utter ridiculousness that he spews when he steps outside of his box. You know, it's like when Reggie White decided to grace us with his brilliance about race mattes.
Oh btw, while we agree that you're free to think whatever you like, make sure you understand that you're also free to post all of the intellectual brilliance that is Charles Barkley outside of basketball.
Big Chee said:
Ignorance!!!
I'm maybe 4000 miles away from you all in the wilds of Lagos, Nigeria and maybe this gives me a different perspective on things.....
This is the kind of conversation one has in a bar with your boys, knocking back beers and at ease with each others intellect. I may hate your opinions but I will try an appreciate the reasoning....
Is Obama Black Enough? Time Magazine Feb '07
Is Obama Black Enough - Guardian UK March 07
I think those articles address your question. What kills me if the often insular nature of black folk. Big Chee, my issue is not that Charles said Jack. My issue is I believe most of what he said was true. It could have been the wino down at the foot of my block on Lex. The fact that it was said by "chuck" does not mean its not true!
Oh well, in darkest Africa, we have power cuts. The power just went, its 6:45pm and am going out for a beer.
I shall return in a couple of hours. Please read those articles and let me know what you think.
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Big Chee said:
I had to get on Dan Liebtard on a website he frequents for writing a piss poor article bashing Al Sharpton, who I am not a big fan of but have a growing respect in light of his recent sonnings, citing Charles Barkley as a "voice of reason" for the African American community.
I said with all of the educated African Americans out there, you found enlightment through the wisdom of Charles Barkley?
He couldn't say jack shyt.
Here's a link to my blog where I smacked this journalists around who fell for the same bullshyt.
http://rebelsphere.blogspot.com/2007/02/my-recent-dialouge-with-journalist.html
Oh no,.. I like Dan Lebatard most of the time too...
"Charles Barkley, the voice of reason for the African American community"
White folx electing our "leaders" again!!!
9X3inch said:
The New Republic? Conservative?
You must haven't read the article nor NR before.I said MOST, not all of what he said. I am not bought off by anybody's opinions. I agree with most of what he said and I respect any man that will not hold his tongue in fear of what other people think. Alot of what he said are things that people say all the time about black people as a whole, its even said alot on this very board.Big Chee said:
Articles from print and broadcast media that are 97% white owned?gogolplex12 said:
I don't care what you site OGA. Those magazines do not know the pulse of the African American community, no matter how grand the news organization or how much pagentry they shroud in their piss filled articles.
The current day media, particularly the mainstream media, do not engage in balanced discourse when it comes to the African American community.
A passing rumor catches wind through the mainstream media and they all jump along to c/s it.
Especially when it comes to the thoughts of the African American community. The normal checks and balances of the required research of whats considered news is DROPPED when it comes issues of the African American community.
If it were true, Barack would still be behind Hillary in terms of votes in the black community.
What's simply a case of getting to know a newcomer to the African American community is misconstrued as him not being "authentic" enough by the media.
Get real OGA, and tell NEPA to get their shyt together.
Brooklyn born and raised, nigerian parents bruh. You don't know what the hell is going on here.
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gogolplex12 said:
Try to keep up.
This is SPECIFICALLY about him calling the black community fucked up based on the opinions of A FEW BLACK FOLX claiming that Obama isn't authentically black. (as is none of us have mixed lineage, tha fuck?)
We don't need to go beyond that. Barkley was wrong for stereotyping the entire community when the entire community doesn't reflect that opinion. Therefore his proceeding rants were completely unwarranted, redundant & thus irrelevant.
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Big Chee said:
LOL,
Just came out of the shower. I figured you were Naija as they say. Did you actually read those articles sir? Please read them first then pass judgement. I also would like to be directed to those primary sources that represent the black community in your view.
NEPA is now called PHCN. Still as epileptic. When was the last time you were back in Nigeria? Just wondering
Got to go! Bottles of cold gulder await. Did you remember to wish your mother happy mother's day?
Why Being A Nigerian Is So Hard
Will be back later, Legacycns is a real hoot!
I did read those articles. Let's start with the Guardian:gogolplex12 said:
Who are these people? Where did they come up with this assertion? How many of these types represent a huge block of the African American community for this to garner so much attention?
The article cited the same cast of characters I spoke about on my blog.
Stanley Crouch, who wrote a incidiary article about Barack. This is the same man that was booed at a State of the Black Union conference several years ago. He does not represent the thoughts of most African Americans.
Marjorie Valbrun, the same woman in my blog whoI personally had a back and forth email exchange asking her the who, where, and how questions I asked of you.
Try reading it: http://rebelsphere.blogspot.com/2007/02/my-recent-dialouge-with-journalist.html
So please, the Guardian and Times are basically c/s each other to a baseless RUMOR.
Peace to everyone who is commenting in this thread...
Here's my question: Why is it that, currently, the black people who get the most press are the black people who are opening critical of perceived (lower class) black behavior?
Bill Cosby - 'These lower economic people need to get it together..'
Jason Whitlock - 'These ignorant hip hop people..'
Charles Barkley - 'Black people are fucked up..'
With all the ink these cats are getting you would think they were saying something insightful. Cosby, Whitlock and Barkley should all realize that, as an aggregate, impoverished, uneducated people - OF ALL RACES - tend to act more ignorantly than their more privileged counterparts.
The bottom line is, the problems that we're so quick to point out (criminality, hyper-consumerism, gluttony, ignorance) are not endemic to blacks. Rather, they are symptomatic of of poor people around the world. Look what's happening in (white) Russia right now: rampant corruption and crookery.
Don't allow the media to define your people and don't marginalize them yourselves.
Peace.
Here's my question: Why is it that, currently, the black people who get the most press are the black people who are opening critical of perceived (lower class) black behavior?
Bill Cosby - 'These lower economic people need to get it together..'
Jason Whitlock - 'These ignorant hip hop people..'
Charles Barkley - 'Black people are fucked up..'
With all the ink these cats are getting you would think they were saying something insightful. Cosby, Whitlock and Barkley should all realize that, as an aggregate, impoverished, uneducated people - OF ALL RACES - tend to act more ignorantly than their more privileged counterparts.
The bottom line is, the problems that we're so quick to point out (criminality, hyper-consumerism, gluttony, ignorance) are not endemic to blacks. Rather, they are symptomatic of of poor people around the world. Look what's happening in (white) Russia right now: rampant corruption and crookery.
Don't allow the media to define your people and don't marginalize them yourselves.
Peace.
I'm online with that fat fukk Whitlock right now as we post putting his girthy ass in his place.Ill Paragraph said:
An admitted non-follower of politics ("I don't follow politics"-Whitlock) is now the annointed voice of intellectual discourse in the black community by the decisions of the white male dominated media.
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lovely fucking debate..just lovely
BUT GUESS WHAT ... knowledge is of little use when it confined to just yap yap yap
that's what politicians do they just talk
we all know what's wrong , we know what affects black people,
Shit there music and all kind of free shit to download on here, tips about all kind stuff from diet to business , how about a thread about how save our people cuase its not gonna happen based on whether you vote for Obama or not . Give me a damn idea or two i'll try it out ...How about a damn BGOL outreach program
how about we detail every problem affecting our people and get some shit done
or is it too much work like some body said on here before.
BUT GUESS WHAT ... knowledge is of little use when it confined to just yap yap yap
that's what politicians do they just talk
we all know what's wrong , we know what affects black people,
Shit there music and all kind of free shit to download on here, tips about all kind stuff from diet to business , how about a thread about how save our people cuase its not gonna happen based on whether you vote for Obama or not . Give me a damn idea or two i'll try it out ...How about a damn BGOL outreach program
how about we detail every problem affecting our people and get some shit done
or is it too much work like some body said on here before.
Big Chee said:
Right. Whether these guys (Whitlock and crew) realize it or not, they've discovered the formula for being plucked from relative obscurity or irrelevance and being transformed into a darling of the media. Simply repudiate all of the sociological evidence that connects social and economic marginalization with bad behavior and make blanket statements about how "fucked up" black folks are.
Think about it: How many people were championing Jason Whitlock prior to his recent articles regarding the NBA All Star game and the Imus debacle? How many people were dubbing Cosby the conscience of black America prior to his 'These poor Negroes need to do better' rant? Now, I imagine, it's Barkley's turn.
Again, do NOT allow your entire race to be defined by the actions of its most marginalized members. If you do, you've already lost.
KingTaharqa said:There's several Sgt Waters ass negroes on BGOL who fall in line with this thinking.
Err, excuse me. Did I watch a different Soldier's Story? The same Sgt. Waters who cut a black soldier's throat for dancing on a table in front of white soldiers with a pinned on tail with bananas in his hands answering to the name Moonshine, King of the Monkeys? The same Sgt. Waters who's father made sure he and his siblings got an education and had better diction than his white counterparts to "show them up at every opportunity" (deleted scene)? Or was I watching another movie?
Big Chee said:
Tell me you're lying.
What the fuck do we want from our black communities to be successful without complaining! on the side and on the other! 
Big Chee said:
Big Chee,
Read your blog this morning instead of my monday morning BGOL porn fix! (Need something to help me recover from the Lagos Traffic). It gives me some context and allows me to see where you are coming from.
However my issue is not with Obama's blackness or lack of it but rather the attitude that Barkeley can not hold valid opinions outside basketball and the truth in my view of some of the points he raised.
It does not do to denigrate people based on your perception of their abilities or the lack of without addressing the issues raised.
Got to go earn a living now, the phone is lighting up like a Christmas tree and I gave up my porn fix for this.....
Ita amazing the amount of bickering and blinding defense people are putting up here. It almost seems like this is turning into a black on black thing.
Is it safe to say that all races are this way? Not only black folk?
Whites fuck whites over.
Hispanics fuck hispanics over.
Blacks fuck blacks over.
Asians fuck asians over.
And just because Charles Barkley pointed it out, you dudes are bugging out. If Barack said the equivalent, what would you do? How about if Al Sharpton came across these lines? Or the Rev Jesse?
Half of you would lose your minds. Crazy.
Which so much defense against what Charles said going on in here, it only leads one to believe that black people everywhere treat each other well, all the time, all day long. And if you believe that, than your views are respected, though far from reality.
Peace.
Is it safe to say that all races are this way? Not only black folk?
Whites fuck whites over.
Hispanics fuck hispanics over.
Blacks fuck blacks over.
Asians fuck asians over.
And just because Charles Barkley pointed it out, you dudes are bugging out. If Barack said the equivalent, what would you do? How about if Al Sharpton came across these lines? Or the Rev Jesse?
Half of you would lose your minds. Crazy.
Which so much defense against what Charles said going on in here, it only leads one to believe that black people everywhere treat each other well, all the time, all day long. And if you believe that, than your views are respected, though far from reality.
Peace.
black on black crime is as stupid as saying white on white crime. The difference is, one is publicized and the other is not! By the way Charles has always been an ass!
da_monumental_1 said:
Yeah the same Sgt Waters who was a rambling drunk. The same Sgt Waters who talked shit about black people all day and appointed himself the voice of the black community. The same Sgt Waters who took pride in fighting another black man but would stand up straight and smile as hard as he could when a white man walked in the room. The same Sgt who had no problem railroading an innocent black man because he felt dude was "bringing down the race". Sgt said the "day of the geechie is over" but his punk ass was the "geechie"
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Can I ask something ??? When are we going to stand up and fight these people ??? We sit here and go at Charles Barkley, and i understand you guys being mad about putting our shit in the media like this but when is enough enough ??? We honestly as black people need to step up and handle our business, I dont like what Barkley, said "I Honestly Dont"... Man Im sick of commenting on whats going wrong in the black community, we need to show actions...
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Fuck this shit here
I'm so tired of rich Black folks blasting poor Blacks folks.
If your ass is rich and FREE like you like to believe, come down from your Ivory(white) Tower and get your hands dirty trying to make a difference in our poor community. Break bread "HouseNigga" build a house, a school a community center.
Rich Blacks are always baited by whites to blast us over the airwaves. If your Bitch ass came to the neighborhood, with no cameras and sit us down and say we have problems and say you are here to help then I would respect you.
SO Fuck you and that UGLY as GOLF SWING
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I'm so tired of rich Black folks blasting poor Blacks folks.
If your ass is rich and FREE like you like to believe, come down from your Ivory(white) Tower and get your hands dirty trying to make a difference in our poor community. Break bread "HouseNigga" build a house, a school a community center.
Rich Blacks are always baited by whites to blast us over the airwaves. If your Bitch ass came to the neighborhood, with no cameras and sit us down and say we have problems and say you are here to help then I would respect you.
SO Fuck you and that UGLY as GOLF SWING
40 Million dollar Slave
Good post. Though I don't agree with everything Charles says, I will never agree with totally disregarding a black man's opinion because of his current social status. Though rich, and out of touch, he (or Cosby for that matter) wasn't born that way. He was raised in an era and environment (socially and economically) that most of us can't truly speak on. He's seen the class/race issue from both the top AND the bottom. Though not as articulate as West or Dyson, he has the right, and the platform, to speak his mind.
White people do NOT actively oppress us on the same level that they did during my parents generation. They've designed a system. The system is thorough, and permeates EVERY aspect of our society. The crack and AIDS epidemics, the drug laws, mass media, etc. The system is here to stay, and will NEVER be changed by those who benefit from it. So fuck what crackas do. They've been consistent in their treatment of us since they brought us here. The system in place is NOT foolproof though, and CAN be successfully navigated, and THAT is where the problem lies.
Those of us who know HOW to navigate the system have failed at passing that knowledge on to those of us who don't. We don't teach. A teacher is simply someone who knows something and passes that knowledge on to someone who doesn't. A sick person, who doesn't even REALIZE they are sick, will NEVER search for a cure. De-segregation removed the elites from our communities, and they never replaced themselves. I left my hood for college, but I'm still IMPACTING there. How? Simply by teaching people what I know. Phone calls, email, music, whatever. I teach, not as a proffession either, just my everyday mode.
Blacks let disagreement justify inactivity. Just because we don't agree on THE solution, doesn't mean we can keep sitting back and talking shit about the problem. If I can can reach 5 black folks (rich, poor, whatever) this week, and they reach 5, we may get a little movement going. We don't need a Martin, Malcolm, or Barack for that.
White people do NOT actively oppress us on the same level that they did during my parents generation. They've designed a system. The system is thorough, and permeates EVERY aspect of our society. The crack and AIDS epidemics, the drug laws, mass media, etc. The system is here to stay, and will NEVER be changed by those who benefit from it. So fuck what crackas do. They've been consistent in their treatment of us since they brought us here. The system in place is NOT foolproof though, and CAN be successfully navigated, and THAT is where the problem lies.
Those of us who know HOW to navigate the system have failed at passing that knowledge on to those of us who don't. We don't teach. A teacher is simply someone who knows something and passes that knowledge on to someone who doesn't. A sick person, who doesn't even REALIZE they are sick, will NEVER search for a cure. De-segregation removed the elites from our communities, and they never replaced themselves. I left my hood for college, but I'm still IMPACTING there. How? Simply by teaching people what I know. Phone calls, email, music, whatever. I teach, not as a proffession either, just my everyday mode.
Blacks let disagreement justify inactivity. Just because we don't agree on THE solution, doesn't mean we can keep sitting back and talking shit about the problem. If I can can reach 5 black folks (rich, poor, whatever) this week, and they reach 5, we may get a little movement going. We don't need a Martin, Malcolm, or Barack for that.