Racism has cost Black Americans $70 trillion since the start of slavery — here's how that cost breaks down

I support reparations for Black Americans and any descendant of the diaspora.
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racism has kept us down
i don't like trump and he never should have been elected in the first place. but biden/harris have gone on record saying no to reparations
that's the reason i'm sitting this election out.
both dems and republicans are both willing to maintain the status quo of white supremacy
 
racism has kept us down
i don't like trump and he never should have been elected in the first place. but biden/harris have gone on record saying no to reparations
that's the reason i'm sitting this election out.
both dems and republicans are both willing to maintain the status quo of white supremacy
100% correct.
 
racism has kept us down
i don't like trump and he never should have been elected in the first place. but biden/harris have gone on record saying no to reparations
that's the reason i'm sitting this election out.
both dems and republicans are both willing to maintain the status quo of white supremacy
and by sitting out you accomplish what exactly?

  • you realize of the two parties only the left has even publicly entertained the notion...the right absolutely refuses to
  • with Biden/harris you at least get the 1619 Project off the ground in school curriculums trump vowed to punish any schools that taught it
  • The left is at least making some kind progress with electing more POC...the right is still the old white males club almost exclusively

At this point..the way things have been going if reparations were to be put on the table in a doable manner in our lifetime (and huge IF for sure) it will be done so by the left...not the right.

Hell chances are YOU stand to benefit more greatly under the democrats HEROES 2nd stimulus plan the republicans HEALS ACT that they keep trimming down. The dems said spend 2-3 trillion on providing for the citizens (many of which are BLACK FOLK) during the pandemic (cuz you know we REGULARLY spend that much on wallstreet fuck ups and the military) and the repubs said fuck them...tell them to get a job..even as there aren't any.

So what are you accomplishing by sitting out again?
 
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and by sitting out you accomplish what exactly?

  • you realize of the two parties only the left has even publicly entertained the notion...the right absolutely refuses to
  • with Biden/harris you at least get the 1619 Project off the ground in school curriculums trump vowed to punish any schools that taught it
  • The left is at least making some kind progress with electing more POC...the right is still the old white males club almost exclusively

At this point..the way things have been going if reparations were to be put on the table in a doable manner in our lifetime (and huge IF for sure) it will be done so by the left...not the right.

Hell chances are YOU stand to benefit more greatly under the democrats HEROES 2nd stimulus plan the republicans HEALS ACT that they keep trimming down. The dems said spend 2-3 trillion on providing for the citizens (many of which are BLACK FOLK) during the pandemic (cuz you know we REGULARLY spend that much on wallstreet fuck ups and the military) and the repubs said fuck them...tell them to get a job..even as there aren't any.

So what are you accomplishing by sitting out again?
that in 2024 whoever the presidential candidate is takes the black agenda seriously
 
Racism has cost Black Americans $70 trillion since the start of slavery — here's how that cost breaks down
  • Shawn Rochester, author of "The Black Tax," has quantified the cost of racism in the United States: $70 trillion since the start of slavery.
  • He spoke to Business Insider about how he came to that figure, citing government-sponsored wealth-building programs such as the Homestead Act and VA loans.
  • Today, he says, the Black Tax is perpetuated by discrimination — Black people are hired less frequently, paid less, and have less access to wealth-building tools like affordable mortgages.
  • He developed his "PHD" framework — purchase, hire, deposit — as a means to shrink the racial wealth gap.
  • Click here to sign up for Business Insider's "Closing the racial wealth gap" panel on September 25 »
Black Americans face a staggering wealth gap. The most recent statistics show that, in 2016, a typical middle-class white family in the US had $149,703 in accumulated wealth, while a middle-class Black family had only $13,024 — meaning Black families have 8.6% of the wealth of white families.

According to Shawn Rochester, author of "The Black Tax: The Cost of Being Black in America," the cause of this gap can be traced back to slavery.

In his book, Rochester breaks down how racism and discrimination have cost Black Americans trillions of dollars over the course of several generations — $70 trillion, by Rochester's estimate — and how discrimination has created the massive racial wealth gap that exists today.

The 'Black Tax' starts with slavery
Rochester explained to Business Insider that he uses the term "Black Tax" to describe the financial costs of discrimination against Black Americans.

Rochester, a graduate of the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, wrote his book as a way to analyze the research he was reading about discrimination against Black people. He found that most researchers were writing about the morality and injustice of discrimination, but he wanted to connect the dots and examine the financial cost to Black Americans.

The wealth gap between Black and white America was first established through 250 years of unpaid labor. While it's hard to quantify the exact cost of slave labor, Rochester said economists have estimated anywhere from $24 to $97 trillion of labor was extracted from enslaved Africans from 1619 to 1865, so he uses an average number of $50 trillion in his calculations. And while Black people built this country with free labor, they haven't been on the receiving end of America's wealth.

"In terms of the proportional amount of the Black population actually owning part of the economy, that doesn't exist. That's just based on the legacy of slavery and colonialism. In the United States, Black people only own about 2% of US wealth," Rochester said.

Black Americans were denied access to government-sponsored wealth-building tools
For centuries, Black Americans have been left out of government programs designed to help citizens build wealth.

In 1863, Black Americans were denied access to the Homestead Act, which promised 160 acres of land to citizens in exchange for a small fee and five years of cultivating the land. Over 70 years, 1.6 million mostly white homesteaders claimed 270 million acres — about 10% of US land — valued at $1.6 trillion.

Many Black Americans were also excluded from the Social Security Act in 1935 — agricultural and domestic workers were left out of the act — resulting in a $143 billion loss to the community. Through a payroll tax, the Social Security Act provided unemployment benefits and financial benefits to retired workers over 65. And the GI Bill in 1944 — which effectively excluded Black veterans — provided funds for college education, housing, and unemployment insurance, and cost Black Americans another $45 billion.

Black enterprise was never allowed to thrive
Each of these government programs designed to help Americans build wealth was withheld from Black people, causing each generation to fall further behind. But even when Black people have tried to start their own businesses and networks to create wealth, their progress has been blocked or dismantled, often violently.

In the 1920s, Tulsa, Oklahoma was home to the thriving Black community of Greenwood. It was dubbed Black Wall Street because of its Black-owned businesses that included luxury hotels, bars, movie theaters, and clothing stores. But in 1921, a mob of white men, angry over the trial of a Black man who was accused of sexually assaulting a white woman, descended on Greenwood, burning down businesses and killing residents. Millions of dollars of damage was done, and the town never fully recovered.

Rochester said, "Throughout history, we've had massive, intentional disruptions in the growth and development of Black businesses. You've also had massive deprivation of [Black] customers. When you start talking about post-emancipation and entering the early 1900s to the middle 1900s, you have Black people relegated to the lowest-paying occupations in the country, which has nothing to do with skill or capabilities. So now you starve the customers and resources, and it's very difficult for businesses to thrive."

To get to the $70 trillion estimate, Rochester added the trillions lost during the Jim Crow and Civil Rights eras, noting that from the 1870s to 1960s, Black people were racially and economically segregated and excluded from participating in the American economy as equal citizens.

The 'Black Tax' today
Today, Rochester says the "Black Tax" is perpetuated by a conscious and unconscious bias against Black people, and it happens in almost every area of life.

Black people face discrimination getting hired, and face a wage gap when they do get hired. A study found that white applicants are 50% more likely to get a callback for a job based on their name alone. In terms of wages, Black employees with a bachelor's degree earn, on average, $50,108 compared to their white coworkers' $61,176.

When taking out loans, Black people will often pay more. A University of California Berkeley study found that Black mortgage borrowers pay an average of 0.08% more in interest than white borrowers with comparable credit, which costs borrowers over $760 million more every year.

For Black Americans who are able to own homes, they still face discrimination on the path to building wealth. Abena and Alex Horton, an interracial couple from Jacksonville, Florida had their home appraised for $330,00, surprising the homeowners who live in a mostly white neighborhood where houses are valued between $350,000 and $550,000. When Abena, who is Black, took down all traces of Black art and photos from their home, and left her white husband home alone for the second appraisal, their home appraised for $465,000.

Rochester said, "The data is very clear, and the issue is that we need a new set of actions, but a new set of actions must follow a new set of thinking. The first step is how do you paradigm shift? And that's the information that's in the book. I want to help people understand how we got here in the first place. Because if you think this problem is fundamentally the problem of Black people or the Black individual, why would you go out of your way to do anything? So of course you have to have context about how this came to be. And then generally from that context, people start looking for how they can now be part of the solution."

Rochester's proposed solution to the racial wealth gap
The solution to the wealth gap, Rochester says, is being intentional about doing business with Black-owned businesses, putting more Black people on payrolls, especially in high-competition fields, and investing capital with Black-owned banks so banks can turn around and lend in a non-discriminatory way.

"In the book and in my talks, I talk about this economic framework called PHD, which stands for purchase, hire, and deposit in ways that create and expand business, and provide capital within the Black community. So what I advocate for is actions, plans, and policies that would stimulate job creation and business development."

Without intervention, the wealth gap will continue to widen. But Rochester wants people to know that while the problem of the Black wealth gap may seem insurmountable, the issue is fixable.

"Others have a historical advantage of preference and availability to capital for hundreds of years. So you can't compare apples to apples in any way. There's no silver bullet, and there's not one action to reverse it. But this can be addressed over time and you can have dramatic change if you have people engaged from an economic standpoint. And then overlay that with policy. The idea is whenever possible and wherever possible, direct your resources to Black enterprise because it creates jobs and attracts capital. And that's good not only for the Black community, but that's good for the whole country."

Just give us the 70 trillion and the will close the gap....
 
That's no answer at all.
a presidential candidate that takes black issues seriously:
punishing police brutality(not just racial sensitivity training cause that's worthless), reparations(in the form of cash payments or tax exemptions), the end to systematic oppression(in housing, jobs,and schools) and give us hard deadlines for these things like on day one of their presidency or the first 100 days(like biden says on his website he's gonna do for LGBTQ, illegals, and native americans ).
 
a presidential candidate that takes black issues seriously:
punishing police brutality(not just racial sensitivity training cause that's worthless), reparations(in the form of cash payments or tax exemptions), the end to systematic oppression(in housing, jobs,and schools) and give us hard deadlines for these things like on day one of their presidency or the first 100 days(like biden says on his website he's gonna do for LGBTQ, illegals, and native americans ).

2. Reparations for United States Afrodescendants (i.e., Black Americans, African Americans)

The development of the United States has been marked by conflict over questions of race. Our nation was formed only after Native Americans were displaced. The institution of slavery had as its underpinnings the belief in white supremacy, which we as Greens condemn. In slavery's aftermath, people of color have borne the brunt of violence and discrimination. The Green Party unequivocally condemns these evils, which continue to be a social problem of paramount significance.

  1. The community of people of African ancestry whose family members were held in chattel slavery in what is now the United States of America have legitimate claims to reparations including monetary compensation for centuries of human rights violations, including the Transatlantic slave trade now recognized by the United Nations as a "crime against humanity." As our Nation has done in the past with respect to the Choctaw, the Lakota, the Lambuth, and more recently for Japanese Americans and the European Jewish community, reparations are now due to address the debt still owed to descendants of enslaved Africans.

  2. We commit to full and complete reparations to the African American community of this nation for the past four hundred plus years of genocide, slavery, land-loss, destruction of original identity and the stark disparities which haunt the present evidenced in unemployment statistics, substandard and inadequate education, higher levels of mortality including infant and maternal mortality and the practice of mass incarceration. We recognize that reparations are a debt (not charity) that is owed by our own and other nations and by the corporate institutions chartered under our laws to a collective of people. We believe that the leadership on the question of what our nation owes to this process of right ought to come from the African American community, whose right to self-determination and autonomy to chart the path to healing we fully recognize.

  3. We understand that until significant steps are taken to reverse the ongoing abuses; to end the criminalization of the Black and Brown communities, to eradicate poverty, to invest in education, health care and the restoration and protection of human rights, that it will be impossible to repair the continuing damage wrought by the ideology of white supremacy which permeates the governing institutions of our nation.

  4. While consensus is still evolving on what would constitute full and complete reparations, we support the following initial steps:
    • We support the creation of a claim of action and a right to recover inherited wealth and other profits accumulated from the slave trade for the benefit of a reparations trust fund.

    • We will initiate the repeal of the slave clauses that survive today in the U.S. Constitution.

    • We will work to restore lands stolen through a variety of tactics including: violence, terrorism and the discriminatory access to operating capital that together has robbed black farmers and the broader community of their lands.

    • We support the release of all political prisoners held by the USA. It is time that the political frame-ups, the prosecutorial misconduct and the racist application of police power that pass for justice in our country be buried and those victimized by these abuses of state power be given their lives back.

    • We will support existing Historically Black Colleges and Universities, as well as new and existing Education and Development Funds.
  5. We support efforts to overcome the effects of over 200 years of racial discrimination.

  6. We call for an end to official support for any remaining symbols of slavery and specifically call for the removal of the Confederate battle flag from all government buildings.

  7. We condemn the practice of racial profiling by law enforcement agencies, which are guilty of stopping m torists, harassing individuals, or using unwarranted violence against suspects with no other justification than race or ethnic background.

  8. We favor strong measures to combat official racism in the forms of police brutality directed against people of color.

  9. We support effective enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, including language access to voting.

  10. We oppose discriminatory English-only pressure groups. We call for a national language policy that would encourage all citizens to be fluent in at least two languages. [See section K. Immigration / Emigration in this chapter]
  11. We strongly support the vigorous enforcement of civil-rights laws, the aggressive prosecution of hate crimes, and the strengthening of legal services for the poor.

 
a presidential candidate that takes black issues seriously:
punishing police brutality(not just racial sensitivity training cause that's worthless), reparations(in the form of cash payments or tax exemptions), the end to systematic oppression(in housing, jobs,and schools) and give us hard deadlines for these things like on day one of their presidency or the first 100 days(like biden says on his website he's gonna do for LGBTQ, illegals, and native americans ).
1. well LGBT community includes black people as well...or do you believe black gays and trans aren't black anymore?

2. I went to his website and the only I saw pertaining to native Americans was stuff lumped in with things to do to for POC under his THE BIDEN PLAN TO BUILD BACK BETTER BY ADVANCING RACIAL EQUITY ACROSS THE AMERICAN ECONOMY section:

The economic crisis has hit Black and Brown communities especially hard, with Black unemployment at 15.4 percent, Latino unemployment at 14.5 percent, and businesses owned by Black, Latino, and Asian American people closing down at alarming rates. We are also seeing a national reckoning on racial justice and the tragic human costs of systemic racism in the murder of George Floyd and so many other Black men, women, and children. And through it all, the climate crisis mounts, with air and water pollution, superstorms and extreme weather, disproportionately impacting Black and Brown communities.

read the link there's a lot there to post here but it all involves black and brown and native Americans.

3. what you're looking for are things exclusive ONLY to Black People and the reality is that's not going to happen now or in the near future. So holding out your vote for the PERFECT rather than the GOOD that can lead eventually lead to the specific things you want is just NO PLAN at all.
 
1. well LGBT community includes black people as well...or do you believe black gays and trans aren't black anymore?

2. I went to his website and the only I saw pertaining to native Americans was stuff lumped in with things to do to for POC under his THE BIDEN PLAN TO BUILD BACK BETTER BY ADVANCING RACIAL EQUITY ACROSS THE AMERICAN ECONOMY section:

The economic crisis has hit Black and Brown communities especially hard, with Black unemployment at 15.4 percent, Latino unemployment at 14.5 percent, and businesses owned by Black, Latino, and Asian American people closing down at alarming rates. We are also seeing a national reckoning on racial justice and the tragic human costs of systemic racism in the murder of George Floyd and so many other Black men, women, and children. And through it all, the climate crisis mounts, with air and water pollution, superstorms and extreme weather, disproportionately impacting Black and Brown communities.

read the link there's a lot there to post here but it all involves black and brown and native Americans.

3. what you're looking for are things exclusive ONLY to Black People and the reality is that's not going to happen now or in the near future. So holding out your vote for the PERFECT rather than the GOOD that can lead eventually lead to the specific things you want is just NO PLAN at all.

1. i recognize them as black and would include them as well. problem is that the black LGBTQ's don't identify as black first they claim their orientation and then their skin color.

2. the native americans were recently given half the state of oklahoma
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/09/8895...es-that-about-half-of-oklahoma-is-indian-land
and also the NFL team was renamed from redskins to "football team". we weren't included in that ruling.

3. why when the argument comes for blacks everybody else gotta be included?
we're the only ones that these candidates do that to-i'd rather hold out and see who wins 2020 without my vote.
biden/harris should win my state anyway(based on past elections it always goes to democrats) if he doesn't he wasn't a strong candidate to begin with. then maybe in 2024 someone will care about our issues
 
1. i recognize them as black and would include them as well. problem is that the black LGBTQ's don't identify as black first they claim their orientation and then their skin color.

2. the native americans were recently given half the state of oklahoma
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/09/8895...es-that-about-half-of-oklahoma-is-indian-land
and also the NFL team was renamed from redskins to "football team". we weren't included in that ruling.

3. why when the argument comes for blacks everybody else gotta be included?
we're the only ones that these candidates do that to-i'd rather hold out and see who wins 2020 without my vote.
biden/harris should win my state anyway(based on past elections it always goes to democrats) if he doesn't he wasn't a strong candidate to begin with. then maybe in 2024 someone will care about our issues

You don't seem to understand the point....

When Black men were first enfranchised after the end of the Civil War, they faced a partisan politics reduced to one stark choice: Side with those who would extend more rights of citizenship to Black people or with those who would deny them. Naturally, they largely supported racially progressive Republicans who advocated for Black suffrage and representation. In Virginia, more than 100,000 freed Black men registered to vote for delegates to the convention that would help facilitate the state’s readmission to the Union. On Election Day in October 1867, 88 percent of them voted — often under the threat of job loss — securing a supermajority of convention delegates for Republicans, more than a third of whom were Black. The convention, filled by the electoral solidarity of Black voters and delegates, helped lead to the state’s successful re-entry into the United States, formalize suffrage for freedmen and extend civil rights.

The ratification of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments codified freedmen’s participation in the electoral process at a time when upward of 90 percent of Black Americans lived in the Southern states, constituting actual or near majorities in more than a few. This led to more than 300 Black state and federal legislators in the South holding office in 1872, a level not seen again for more than 100 years. These elected officials were overwhelmingly Republicans swept into office by the unity of Black voters, who assembled to demand equality and liberty that hinged on keeping white segregationists from power.

This was the Black monolith’s forceful debut.


what does NOT voting and NOT running for office get you????
 
You don't seem to understand the point....

When Black men were first enfranchised after the end of the Civil War, they faced a partisan politics reduced to one stark choice: Side with those who would extend more rights of citizenship to Black people or with those who would deny them. Naturally, they largely supported racially progressive Republicans who advocated for Black suffrage and representation. In Virginia, more than 100,000 freed Black men registered to vote for delegates to the convention that would help facilitate the state’s readmission to the Union. On Election Day in October 1867, 88 percent of them voted — often under the threat of job loss — securing a supermajority of convention delegates for Republicans, more than a third of whom were Black. The convention, filled by the electoral solidarity of Black voters and delegates, helped lead to the state’s successful re-entry into the United States, formalize suffrage for freedmen and extend civil rights.

The ratification of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments codified freedmen’s participation in the electoral process at a time when upward of 90 percent of Black Americans lived in the Southern states, constituting actual or near majorities in more than a few. This led to more than 300 Black state and federal legislators in the South holding office in 1872, a level not seen again for more than 100 years. These elected officials were overwhelmingly Republicans swept into office by the unity of Black voters, who assembled to demand equality and liberty that hinged on keeping white segregationists from power.

This was the Black monolith’s forceful debut.


what does NOT voting and NOT running for office get you????

we gotta get out of this voting just to vote nonsense

i know some ppl here dislike these guys but this explains my stance perfectly
 
we gotta get out of this voting just to vote nonsense

i know some ppl here dislike these guys but this explains my stance perfectly

you didn't answer the question...what does NOT VOTING NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS get you??? name one thing Black people achieved in this country by not doing anything in the political process??

you and the people in the vid you posted make this stance while standing on the shoulders of people who died so you can do that.
 
Where is the emphasis on marriage, family and community? Single parent homes and lack of family planning have been a huge wealth killer for the past 50 years.
You do realize what was posted above is directly link to this; there’s no need to talk about family and community if we don’t 1st talk about how they systematically destroyed or families and communities…
 
You do realize what was posted above is directly link to this; there’s no need to talk about family and community if we don’t 1st talk about how they systematically destroyed or families and communities…
Always easier to blame people for their problems rather than policy.
 
You do realize what was posted above is directly link to this; there’s no need to talk about family and community if we don’t 1st talk about how they systematically destroyed or families and communities…

So...forget about rebuilding our families and communities TODAY, let's focus on the PAST? :confused:
 
What systemic/structural racism is stopping young black men and women from getting educated, getting married and starting families right now?
education cost...we live in a society that says young people should start life off WITH burdensome debt. And there are ALOT of young black people going to schools whether its university or even community college...how many actually end up USING the degree they worked for? Or in the field they studied for?? Half the fucking schooling is FOR PROFIT schools that teach shit that will be obsolete in less than 5 years. So theres that.

Theres nothing wrong with marriage but most relationships break up over financial issues (see above) and thats how that goes...\

the issue your talking about is always posited as if its unique to the black community and that if only WE ACT RIGHT things would be better..

the arguments are ALWAYS the fucking same year after year... :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:
  • More blacks are dependent on government - welfare was created for poor white women and orphans and blacks were excluded... all that meant was poor blacks were REALLY assed out when it came to making ends meet.
  • More black children are born out of wedlock - if you include the totality of black people in america then black children were always born out of wedlock at higher rates considering how black families and couples were broken up during slavery and all the raping happening. The first deadbeat father in any African American family is most likely some white guy.
  • More black men are incarcerated - guess we're not counting slavery and after that black codes and vagrancy laws..so when do we start counting the incarceration rates?
  • Blacks have less wealth as compared to whites - :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
  • Fewer black men and women are getting married - I don't subscribe to the nuclear family model thats basically a western white centric concept thats not even 100 years old.
  • Health outcomes for blacks has worsened - again compared to what living under lynching and chronic terror how did that affect black health?
  • Home ownership for black has dramatically decreased - yeah everyone got fucked over when the housing bubble burst and of course we're hit the worst by it...like every other negative stat..thats just life in america period
  • The wealth gap between blacks and all other races has widened for the worse. - all other races don't have the same circumstance that black americans have. But I'm pretty sure native americans aren't doing that much better...just that no one (and I mean NO ONE) give a shit about them.
This comparing ourselves against ourselves is designed to create a sense of worthlessness and inferiority. The basis of this argument is that the welfare state is the root cause of issues in the black community... that's a typical conservative tactic, isn't it? The issues of the black community have less to do with welfare and more to do with society's treatment and attitudes toward blacks as a group.

In the 1950s homicides were down and legitimacy was much higher but that doesn't really mean a heck of a whole lot when daddy is unemployed or under-employed and blacks as a whole are marginalized and treated like 2nd class citizens in any case.

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People like to draw a contrast in the behavior of blacks of 1950 with blacks in the 60s and beyond. As if in 1955 the black community was a Norman Rockwell painting with father in the home dressed in a suit, mother wearing a pearl necklace, daughter in a poodle skirt, and son dressed in overalls with a slingshot in the back pocket. And by 1965 just ten years later daddy's gone, mommy's a welfare queen, daughter is a slut in training and son is a violent malcontent.

But here's a question.... if Blacks behaved so much better in the 1950s and before then why was that generation treated so horribly?? Why would a generation of blacks that was so noble and had such good Christian family values and so earnest in assimilating into society be treated in such a fashion?

10 years is not a long time and well within a generation so that 1950s blacks are the generation that migrated from the racist south to the north and west in search of those good jobs in factories and such by the late 50s early 60s..but couldn't find any...why not? Was that generation too lazy to work? That's the generation that moved into predominately white neighborhoods only to see their white neighbors leave for the suburbs (I think the term is white flight) what reason would they have to do that if that generation was so upright and noble? Why would that generation of hard-working Christian values black people accept welfare if jobs were plentiful in the first place?

So when I see a list like that of negative stats I take that with a grain of salt because it doesn't take into consideration what America IS and what it has historically been to black folks.
 
education cost...we live in a society that says young people should start life off WITH burdensome debt. And there are ALOT of young black people going to schools whether its university or even community college...how many actually end up USING the degree they worked for? Or in the field they studied for?? Half the fucking schooling is FOR PROFIT schools that teach shit that will be obsolete in less than 5 years. So theres that.

Theres nothing wrong with marriage but most relationships break up over financial issues (see above) and thats how that goes...\

the issue your talking about is always posited as if its unique to the black community and that if only WE ACT RIGHT things would be better..

the arguments are ALWAYS the fucking same year after year... :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:
  • More blacks are dependent on government - welfare was created for poor white women and orphans and blacks were excluded... all that meant was poor blacks were REALLY assed out when it came to making ends meet.
  • More black children are born out of wedlock - if you include the totality of black people in america then black children were always born out of wedlock at higher rates considering how black families and couples were broken up during slavery and all the raping happening. The first deadbeat father in any African American family is most likely some white guy.
  • More black men are incarcerated - guess we're not counting slavery and after that black codes and vagrancy laws..so when do we start counting the incarceration rates?
  • Blacks have less wealth as compared to whites - :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
  • Fewer black men and women are getting married - I don't subscribe to the nuclear family model thats basically a western white centric concept thats not even 100 years old.
  • Health outcomes for blacks has worsened - again compared to what living under lynching and chronic terror how did that affect black health?
  • Home ownership for black has dramatically decreased - yeah everyone got fucked over when the housing bubble burst and of course we're hit the worst by it...like every other negative stat..thats just life in america period
  • The wealth gap between blacks and all other races has widened for the worse. - all other races don't have the same circumstance that black americans have. But I'm pretty sure native americans aren't doing that much better...just that no one (and I mean NO ONE) give a shit about them.
This comparing ourselves against ourselves is designed to create a sense of worthlessness and inferiority. The basis of this argument is that the welfare state is the root cause of issues in the black community... that's a typical conservative tactic, isn't it? The issues of the black community have less to do with welfare and more to do with society's treatment and attitudes toward blacks as a group.

In the 1950s homicides were down and legitimacy was much higher but that doesn't really mean a heck of a whole lot when daddy is unemployed or under-employed and blacks as a whole are marginalized and treated like 2nd class citizens in any case.

sa-1950sfrance.jpg

2ce5f343c47d4036468d1ac9d73ecee4.jpg


People like to draw a contrast in the behavior of blacks of 1950 with blacks in the 60s and beyond. As if in 1955 the black community was a Norman Rockwell painting with father in the home dressed in a suit, mother wearing a pearl necklace, daughter in a poodle skirt, and son dressed in overalls with a slingshot in the back pocket. And by 1965 just ten years later daddy's gone, mommy's a welfare queen, daughter is a slut in training and son is a violent malcontent.

But here's a question.... if Blacks behaved so much better in the 1950s and before then why was that generation treated so horribly?? Why would a generation of blacks that was so noble and had such good Christian family values and so earnest in assimilating into society be treated in such a fashion?

10 years is not a long time and well within a generation so that 1950s blacks are the generation that migrated from the racist south to the north and west in search of those good jobs in factories and such by the late 50s early 60s..but couldn't find any...why not? Was that generation too lazy to work? That's the generation that moved into predominately white neighborhoods only to see their white neighbors leave for the suburbs (I think the term is white flight) what reason would they have to do that if that generation was so upright and noble? Why would that generation of hard-working Christian values black people accept welfare if jobs were plentiful in the first place?

So when I see a list like that of negative stats I take that with a grain of salt because it doesn't take into consideration what America IS and what it has historically been to black folks.
Preach and Teach fam...
 
What systemic/structural racism is stopping young black men and women from getting educated, getting married and starting families right now?
Those three don't equal success for everybody. You can do all three and still be unemployed because of structural racism
 
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