ROE VS. WADE NO LONGER EXISTS IN TEXAS AS SUPREME COURT FAILS TO ACT,UPDATE:Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

All of this right here....


A woman should have the right to make her decisions with her own body... period.

If there was a law about all men having to get snipped after their first child...

How many dudes would be in here ... talking about Pro Snipped or Not pro Snipped

The Answer is Zero

Every dude would be here in talking about.... the government can't control my body.
What kind of lawyer continues to draw such false equivalencies??? Any lawyer sitting at the other table would correct you by saying that:

Having an abortion and having a vasectomy are apples and oranges. The correct comparison would be having a hysterectomy and a vasectomy.

Lastly, you guys kill me with this my body my choice stuff. You totally ignore the other body within the women's body. Yes, she should be able to do whatever she wants with her body. But she has no right to end the life of the body inside her.

The conversation begins and ends with what do you consider a human being.
Like I've said before ... this law can't stand because if it does... then a State could use this same framework to delegate shit to get around other constitutionally protected rights.




Side note...

You do know I'm a lawyer fam.
8 states already fully prohibit abortion fam. What are you talking about?

Side note: Rudy Giuliani is also a lawyer.

Yes I do agree that court has been known to overrule themselves ....

But I don't see them overruling this.... they might change the viability framework but they are not going to overrule a woman's constitutional right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14 amendment and to deny a woman the right to choose what they do with their own body would have to say that the Governmental interest outweighs the persons fundamental right to "Be left alone" .....

So let's say... the court allowed this law... then what stops a Conservative state from using the same concept to effectively ban porn.
This is why you are wrong.

You keep perpetuating the false narrative that this is ban. It is not. You are either purposely lying or do not know what you are talking about.

What makes the Texas issue so unique is the idea that regular people can snitch and how low the gestational period limit is. It was 20 weeks and now it is 6 weeks. The wild thing is, Texas is not the first state to have a six week limit. What even crazier is that there are states there 100% prohibit abortion. Yet, you are hanging your hat that another state deciding to do what other states have already done is going to make the constitution implode?


There is no "ban." Stop the cap.
 
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Fam.... this is from the Supreme court... this is from their memo.

"The applicants now before us have raised serious questions regarding the constitutionality of the Texas law at issue. But their application also presents complex and novel antecedent procedural questions on which they have not carried their burden. For example, federal courts enjoy the power to enjoin individuals tasked with enforcing laws, not the laws themselves. California v. Texas, 593 U. S. ___, ___ (2021) (slip op., at 8). And it is unclear whether the named defendants in this lawsuit can or will seek to enforce the Texas law against the applicants in a manner that might permit our intervention. Clapper v. Amnesty Int’l USA, 568 U. S. 398, 409 (2013) (“threatened injury must be certainly impending” (citation omitted)). The State has represented that neither it nor its executive employees possess the authority to enforce the Texas law either directly or indirectly. Nor is it clear whether, under existing precedent, this Court can issue an injunction against state judges asked to decide a lawsuit under Texas’s law. See Ex parte Young, 209 U. S. 123, 163 (1908). Finally, the sole private-citizen respondent before us has filed an affidavit stating that he has no present intention to enforce the law. In light of such issues, we cannot say the applicants have met their burden to prevail in an injunction or stay application. In reaching this conclusion, we stress that we do not purport to resolve definitively any jurisdictional or substantive claim in the applicants’ lawsuit. In particular, this order is not based on any conclusion about the constitutionality of Texas’s law, and in no way limits other procedurally proper challenges to the Texas law, including in Texas state courts."

The Following is from Chief Justice Robert's dissent as to the Constitutionality of this law .... and remember Justice Roberts is conservative.

"The statutory scheme before the Court is not only unusual, but unprecedented. The legislature has imposed a prohibition on abortions after roughly six weeks, and then essentially delegated enforcement of that prohibition to the populace at large. The desired consequence appears to be to insulate the State from responsibility for implementing and enforcing the regulatory regime."

This is from Breyer and his point is the point that the Court as a whole will have to look at ... Texas’s law delegates to private individuals the power to prevent a woman from obtaining an abortion during the first stage of pregnancy. But a woman has a federal constitutional right to obtain an abortion during that first stage. Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833, 846 (1992); (Everybody looks at Roe V Wade ... but you have to also look at Planned Parenthood.) And a “State cannot delegate . . . a veto power [over the right to obtain an abortion] which the state itself is absolutely and totally prohibited from exercising during the first trimester of pregnancy.” Planned Parenthood of Central Mo. v. Danforth, 428 U. S. 52, 69 (1976) (internal quotation marks omitted). Indeed, we have made clear that “since the State cannot regulate or proscribe abortion during the first stage . . . the State cannot delegate authority to any particular person . . . to prevent abortion during that same period.” Ibid. The applicants persuasively argue that Texas’s law does precisely that."

Planned parenthood followed the test established in ROE..

The Essential test ... Based around a Person's right to Due Process under the 14 amendment.

(1) Women have the right to choose to have an abortion prior to viability and to do so without undue interference from the State; (2) the State can restrict the abortion procedure post-viability, so long as the law contains exceptions for pregnancies which endanger the woman's life or health; and (3) the State has legitimate interests from the outset of the pregnancy in protecting the health of the woman and the life of the fetus that may become a child.

In Planned Parenthood the Court said ..... f the right of privacy means anything, it is the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child."



Texas tried something like this again in Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt .. when they placed restrictions on the delivery of abortion services which created an undue burden for women.


So this time ...... Texas is doing the Whole Woman's Health shit ... but they have delegated the enforcement of the restrictions on public citizens to try an end around on the first prong of the Roe test and they are doing this before the viability of the fetus.

Like I've said before ... this law can't stand because if it does... then a State could use this same framework to delegate shit to get around other constitutionally protected rights.




Side note...

You do know I'm a lawyer fam.
muhfukkas arguing law with lawyers :dunno: only on bgol
 
After reading this law… there is a new wrinkle and I would fucking love for someone to use this..

technically since this is a civil liability it can be stopped by the automatic stay of a bankruptcy and discharged just like any of depth..

so there are ways around this..

still no way that this law stands…

but I’m just bringing another loophole in this hot mess
 
There is equal responsibility imo, but not equal consequences. She is the one who has to carry the baby, and has the burden of all the physical discomfort from morning sickness, missed days at work or school before and after delivery, the stigma of being pregnant if she's not married, since it can't really be physically hidden, and care of the child. He can walk away socially unscathed because there is no visible physical evidence on his body where someone can look at him and determine he got someone pregnant.

What I want is for all these religious organizations who were anti paying for birth control because it thwarts God's will to be anti prescribing Viagra unless the man is married with a wife of child bearing age. I'd make the argument that there shouldn't be procreation outside of marriage, and that they are overriding the will of God who gave him limp diq for a reason. Women used to get some rest in their ole age, now they have an 83 year old husband with a 4 hour hard on. They say procreation is God's will so they pay for Viagra, but maybe God didn't want that particular man to procreate.

So apparently I'm not the only one with this train of thought...

 
Justice Department sues Texas over six-week abortion ban

(CNN)The Biden Justice Department sued the state of Texas on Thursday over its new six-week abortion ban, saying the state law is unconstitutional.
Announcing the lawsuit at a news conference in Washington, Attorney General Merrick Garland said the Texas law's "unprecedented" design seeks "to prevent women from exercising their constitutional rights by thwarting judicial review for as long as possible."
"The act is clearly unconstitutional under longstanding Supreme Court precedent" Garland said.
The Texas law was designed specifically with the goal of making it more difficult for clinics to obtain federal court orders blocking enforcement of the law. Instead of creating criminal penalties for abortions conducted after a fetal heartbeat is detected, the Texas Legislature has tasked private citizens with enforcing the law by bringing private litigation against clinics -- and anyone else who assists a woman in obtaining an abortion after six weeks.

Since the law went into effect, clinics across Texas have stopped offering abortions after six weeks, or have shuttered altogether.
The lawsuit, filed in a federal court in Austin, alleged that the Texas law is unconstitutional because it conflicts with "the statutory and constitutional responsibilities of the federal government."
"The United States has the authority and responsibility to ensure that Texas cannot evade its obligations under the Constitution and deprive individuals of their constitutional rights by adopting a statutory scheme designed specifically to evade traditional mechanisms of federal judicial review," the lawsuit states.
The Justice Department is seeking a declaratory judgment declaring the Texas abortion ban invalid, as well as a "preliminary and permanent injunction against "the State of Texas" -- including all of its officers, employees, and agents, including private parties who would enforce the abortion ban.
The US Supreme Court last week declined a request by clinics to block the law from going into effect.
In an unsigned order, the court's majority wrote that while the clinics had raised "serious questions regarding the constitutionality of the Texas law," they had not met a burden that would allow the court to block it at this time due to "complex" and "novel" procedural questions.
Garland on Monday had pledged to protect abortion clinics in Texas by enforcing a federal law that prohibits making threats against patients seeking reproductive health services and obstructing clinic entrances.

"The department will provide support from federal law enforcement when an abortion clinic or reproductive health center is under attack," Garland said. "We will not tolerate violence against those seeking to obtain or provide reproductive health services, physical obstruction or property damage in violation of the FACE Act."
This story has been updated with Garland's announcement and additional details.




Abortion: Justice Department sues Texas over six-week abortion ban - CNNPolitics
 
muhfukkas arguing law with lawyers :dunno: only on bgol

dude i just read his response and said fuck it…

this is exactly why I hate dealing with Pro Se Kats in court… the majority do the same shit…

my man keeps talking about “8 states have a 100% ban”…. When in reality those bans are only in place “if roe v wade” gets overturned….

what’s the point… talking to dude brings up memories of the Flat Earth battles…

muthersfuckers think they are saying shit but In reality it all comes out like Oswald Bates



I’m done…. Homeboy isn’t getting it.

I’ll be back in here after the Supreme Court officially takes up the case ….
 
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dude i just read his response and said fuck it…

this is exactly why I hate dealing with Pro Se Kats in court… the majority do the same shit…

my man keeps talking about “8 states have a 100% ban”…. When in reality those bans are only in place “if roe v wade” gets overturned….

what’s the point… talking to dude brings up memories of the Flat Earth battles…

muthersfuckers think they are saying shit but In reality it all comes out like Oswald Bates



I’m done…. Homeboy isn’t getting it.

I’ll be back in here after the Supreme Court officially takes up the case ….


from the 5g covid days to rightwing undercover cac trumpets posing as pro-black anti-Democrats to ados losers to hydroxy/ivermectin crew ... ive resigned bruh :roflmao2: i tend to somehow forget this is a porn board 1st :hithead::roflmao:
 
so I’ve been thinking on this …. Procedurally what is going to need to happen will be for someone in Texas to sue a Texan for having an abortion when a fetal heartbeat is detected. That person doesn’t have to be prolife or for abortion.. they just need to sue… likely knowing they are going to take an L. The mother getting sued… can then immediately seek injunctive relief under the basis that the law places an undue burden following the line of reasoning under Planned parenthood against California…. This is going to be the only way to really get the court to prevent these type of laws.. I think even with the conservative majority… this will be struck down..

I think they will find a way to strike it down with the case in the 5th circuit finally gets there.. but they will probably knock it back down to determine if there is a standing issue.

this law will probably be on the books for a couple months…

Man if I lived in Texas … I don’t even know if I’d fuck any chick that lived there. One fucking slip up and you could be got paying child support for 18 years

man once again… Negrodamus…

who was that dude trying to test my legal knowledge

I didn’t fully grasp the law in my first reading when i posted this but the logic that I posted still stands…You sue the clinic.

 
Now the doctor can file for injunctive relief… stating that his constitutional rights have been violated… the people suing him will obviously appeal… kicking this eventually up to then appeals court. Where things will get interesting.
 
This is a trial case actually launched by pro-abortion to see how it holds up...

Texas doctor sued after saying he defied state’s new abortion law
Under the law, the restrictions can only be enforced through private lawsuits.


DALLAS — A San Antonio doctor who said he performed an abortion in defiance of a new Texas law all but dared supporters of the state’s near-total ban on the procedure to try making an early example of him by filing a lawsuit — and by Monday, two people obliged.

Former attorneys in Arkansas and Illinois filed separate state lawsuits Monday against Dr. Alan Braid, who in a weekend Washington Post opinion column became the first Texas abortion provider to publicly reveal he violated the law that took effect on Sept. 1.

They both came in ahead of the state’s largest anti-abortion group, which had said it had attorneys ready to bring lawsuits. Neither ex-lawyer who filed suit said they were anti-abortion. But both said courts should weigh in.

The law prohibits abortions once medical professionals can detect cardiac activity, which is usually around six weeks and before some women even know they are pregnant. Prosecutors cannot take criminal action against Braid, because the law explicitly forbids that. The only way the ban can be enforced is through lawsuits brought by private citizens, who are entitled to claim at least $10,000 in damages if successful.
Oscar Stilley, who described himself as a former lawyer who lost his law license after being convicted of tax fraud in 2010, said he is not opposed to abortion but sued to force a court review of Texas’ anti-abortion law, which he called an “end-run.”
“I don’t want doctors out there nervous and sitting there and quaking in their boots and saying, ‘I can’t do this because if this thing works out, then I’m going to be bankrupt,’” Stilley, of Cedarville, Arkansas, told The Associated Press.

Felipe N. Gomez, of Chicago, asked a court in San Antonio in his lawsuit to declare the new law unconstitutional. In his view, the law is a form of government overreach. He said his lawsuit is a way to hold the Republicans who run Texas accountable, adding that their lax response to public health during the COVID-19 pandemic conflicts with their crack down on abortion rights.


“If Republicans are going to say nobody can tell you to get a shot they shouldn’t tell women what to do with their bodies either,” Gomez said. “I think they should be consistent.”

Gomez said he wasn’t aware he could claim up to $10,000 in damages if he won his lawsuit. If he received money, Gomez said, he would likely donate it to an abortion rights group or to the patients of the doctor he sued.

Legal experts had said Braid’s admission was likely to set up another test of whether the law can stand after the Supreme Court allowed it to take effect.

“Being sued puts him in a position … that he will be able to defend the action against him by saying the law is unconstitutional,” said Carol Sanger, a law professor at Columbia University in New York City.

Braid wrote that on Sept. 6, he provided an abortion to a woman who was still in her first trimester but beyond the state’s new limit.

“I fully understood that there could be legal consequences — but I wanted to make sure that Texas didn’t get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested,” Braid wrote.




Texas doctor sued after saying he defied state’s new abortion law - POLITICO
 
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The court said that it will merge the Justice Department's case with another legal challenge, which was initiated by abortion providers in Texas.

Supreme Court to hear two challenges to Texas abortion law on November 1
In the interim, the law — which has effectively ended access to abortion in Texas — will remain in effect
The U.S. Supreme Court said Friday that it will hear two challenges to Texas’ six-week abortion ban on November 1. In the interim, the law — which has effectively ended access to abortion in Texas — will remain in effect.

The Court’s decision comes in response to a legal challenge initiated by the Department of Justice, which has argued the federal government suffers particular harm as a result of the Texas law. The government is also arguing that the law runs directly afoul of the precedent established in Roe v. Wade, which held that the Constitution guarantees the right to an abortion up until a fetus can live independently outside the womb — typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The court said that it will merge this case with another legal challenge, which was initiated by abortion providers in Texas. The case could shape abortion rights for decades. If the court somehow upholds the Texas law, it will almost certainly pave the way for similar legislation in other anti-abortion states.

In a partial dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor supported the court’s decision to take on the case but issued scathing criticism of its refusal to block the law.

“These circumstances are exceptional. Women seeking abortion care in Texas are entitled to relief from this Court now. Because of the Court’s failure to act today, that relief, if it comes, will be too late for many,” Sotomayor wrote.

The Texas law has been in effect for almost two months. Rather than criminalizing the procedure, it says that anyone who “aids or abets” an abortion after six-weeks could be sued by private citizens. A successful plaintiff would receive at least $10,000, and have legal fees reimbursed by the state.

The court will not specifically examine the constitutionality of a six-week ban. Rather, the justices will be looking at the legality of Texas’ private enforcement setup, as well as whether the Justice Department has the right to challenge the law. But regardless of the specific questions at play, a decision in favor of Texas could still signal to other anti-abortion lawmakers that a ban like Texas’ is a viable path to pursue.

The law has virtually eliminated access to the procedure in Texas. Many clinics have stopped providing abortions altogether. Those who can afford the journey and are past six weeks of pregnancy are seeking abortions in surrounding states, including Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arkansas and Kansas. But many others — particularly those without the time off, financial resources or child care to travel out of state — may end up carrying unwanted pregnancies to term.

Abortions are now virtually unavailable for minors in Texas, who are required to either get parental consent or go through a special judicial approval process that makes it very difficult to meet the six-week deadline. Undocumented teens who are seeking abortions have been sent to immigration facilities in other states, because most of them already past six weeks when they discover they are pregnant.

“Texans deserved better than this,” said Amy Hagstrom Miller, the CEO of Whole Woman’s Health, one of Texas’ biggest abortion providers. “The legal limbo is excruciating for both patients and our clinic staff.  Lack of access to safe abortion care is harming our families and communities, and will have lasting effects on Texas for decades to come. We’ve had to turn hundreds of patients away since this ban took effect, and this ruling means we’ll have to keep turning patients away.”

The federal government has sought legal relief. But the impact has been limited.

On October 6, a lower federal court first issued an injunction blocking the Texas law. U.S. District Court Judge Robert Pitman wrote that SB 8 had already resulted in “irreparable harm,” both for Texans seeking abortions and for the state’s fragile network of abortion clinics. He also wrote that the law clearly violated the Roe v. Wade precedent.

Only two days later, though, the injunction was in turn blocked by the conservative U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, which has jurisdiction over federal cases out of Texas.

Texas’ labyrinth of abortion restrictions — including a requirement that anyone seeking an abortion wait 24 hours between doctors’ visits — means that few patients were able to access the procedure in the brief window between rulings.

And at the time, many doctors indicated that they still did not feel safe providing abortions after six weeks, given the likelihood on an unfavorable 5th Circuit ruling. That is in large part because SB 8 includes a retroactive provision that means doctors who perform abortions even when the law is blocked could later be sued, if the law is reinstated.

The long-term future is uncertain. The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, is generally considered hostile toward abortion rights. The court is also scheduled to hear a separate abortion case — Dobbs v. Jackson Woman’s Health — on December 1. That case examines the constitutionality of a 15-week abortion ban that was passed in Mississippi but has not taken effect.




Supreme Court to hear challenges to Texas abortion law | The 19th (19thnews.org)
 
The problem with Roe v Wade aka the viability argument, is that viability varies by a number of factors. Mothers with access to better Healthcare have higher and more successful low gestational births. It largely depends on where you live, how much money you have, etc.

Additionally, there was a time when a 37 week premature baby wasn't viable. Think about that. 37 weeks. Overtime, the "viability" number decreases due to technology. Currently, there are babies who have survived being born at 16 weeks. How? Technological advances.

I do not agree with abortions. But, I am open to rational conversations. Unfortunately, most abortion conversations are based in emotions not logic and reasoning.
 
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Roe v. Wade on the line as Supreme Court takes up Mississippi abortion rights case

The justices have been asked to overturn 50 years of legal precedent.

The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday will consider a case that could fundamentally transform abortion rights in America by overturning Roe v. Wade and clearing the way for stringent new restrictions on abortion in roughly half the country.

"This is the most important Supreme Court case on abortion since Roe in 1973, and I don't think it's particularly close," said Sherif Girgis, Notre Dame law professor and former clerk to Justice Samuel Alito.



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Roe v. Wade on the line as Supreme Court takes up Mississippi abortion rights case - ABC News (go.com)
 
This is going to be very interesting…..Some of these white conservatives think they are trying to save the white race (even though stopping abortions is not going to slow down that train) But banning abortions is going to open up a huge Pandora’s box that I think they are scared to pull that trigger right now.
 
This is going to be very interesting…..Some of these white conservatives think they are trying to save the white race (even though stopping abortions is not going to slow down that train) But banning abortions is going to open up a huge Pandora’s box that I think they are scared to pull that trigger right now.
All those brown babies they don't want will be popping up everywhere..... "Oh my stars and garters"


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All those brown babies they don't want will be popping up everywhere..... "Oh my stars and garters"


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They already lost that battle whether they keep abortion or not but Covid threw a huge monkey wrench into everything so white population is at the point of no return right now so we’ll see what happens
 
 
They already lost that battle whether they keep abortion or not but Covid threw a huge monkey wrench into everything so white population is at the point of no return right now so we’ll see what happens

Nah,

The white population will never decline. All they have to do is change the definition of what "white" is. Same as they did 100 years ago.
 
Texas child care related, not abortion related.

 
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