when u have moving pieces, if they Lakers had cap space DeMar D would be in LA(I think)
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when u have moving pieces, if they Lakers had cap space DeMar D would be in LA(I think)
It's the Clippers.... NOBODY likes them
To who?
Bulls, they trying to get some shit done
But do they really have a lot of talent though? Russ is well at @Amajorfucup couldnt wait to get rid of him; Dwight is good for maybe 10 mins; so is Anthony; Bazemore is solid; all the others are fillers though...
It just depends on really where the player wants to sign; for example if Leonard leaves the Clips to say Portland; Portland doesnt have any cap space but they would work out a sign and trade; multiple teams would be added if needed; so its all about the player and what the team is willing to do with that player...
You see a team out West with more talent than them right now? I mean Lebron, AD and Russ are top 12 players in the league along. It don't even matter what you surround them with but they surrounded them with very good players. Melo, Bazemore, Ellington, Monk can all get buckets. Ain't no more living and dying by KCP and shit.
One Curry Stan says "too much help" the other says they not really talented. Team Light Skin is dedicated, give them that.
Caruso probably coming off the bench; so you have Ball(pg), Lavine(sg), and Derozan(sf); not bad at all...
but what are their defensive ratings?
Just think CP3 went with the money as he should’ve but this probably the time they could’ve all played together
Yes, Denver when Jamal is back, Clips if they keep Leonard, Utah and Phoenix; Melo and Bazemore yes get buckets, Ellington and Monk dont really move the needle for me; Russ isnt top 12 though not anymore; but still a star player but does he really fit on the Lakers is the question....
I don't see them going for the number seed during the regular season, but if they can stay healthy, they're going to be a headache in the playoffs.What a lovely team that's going to be 2 or 3 years from now.
They have too much experience not to be.
And I doubt anyone in the Laker front office has given that any real thought. They're clearly in win now mode.
They'll happily walk in the mud for a few years down the road, as long as they grab another ring with Lebron and co. over the next two years.
Real Shit!That's dope. I respect Javale for his long Vet career. Dude had a rough start and kept grinding
Especially after Shaq hating ass tried for years to end his career. That bullshit Shaqtin stuff had GMs afraid to touch JaVale.
Now he's an Olympian, NBA champion, solid bench and locker room vet, and one of the few last real big men left in the league.
to JaValeBall is solid defensively, the other 2 well thats a different story
CP wanted that retirement right; no way one gives up 30 mill for 4 years to go play for a possible chance to win a ring; shit would have been dumb as fuck...
I hope he leaves just to create more chaos; and one more thing; FUCK THE CLIPPERS ALWAYS!!!!!
That's the sense I got when he was sitting in the stands during their playoff game.
Injured or not, you're supposed to be with your squad in the trenches.
Yea it was very odd; again I hope he leaves; fuck the CLIPS!!
Yea the have some decent pieces time to bring in JJ and Danny green
he would’ve been crazy as hell to
It's crazy people are signing free agents
I thought you're not supposed to sign free agents to get better.
You're supposed to "run it back"
I thought you're not supposed to sign free agents to get better.
You're supposed to "run it back"
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I’m sure AD and Rus went to Lebron house and talked they addressed those things. Now it’s up to the coach to put them on the place to win
When you win it all or made the Finals yes. Notice Milwaukee isn't bringing in a bunch of Free Agents, just resigned their own guys. Same for Phoenix. They are running it back. They not on KDs doorstep begging him to come save them after losing in a Final. Cp3 is gonna try to take them back, that's what real leaders do.
I kinda wished the Lakers would’ve done this
Im sure they did as well but Russ plays one way; havent seen him play any other way; and his game really doesnt fit with LBJ and AD; but hey people can change
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The champion or the other team in the Finals “Runs it back”. Other teams retool and make changes to get better.
Not the first year. Having a strong playoff showing would be a major accomplishment
NBA free agency Day 1 winners and losers: Heat make power moves; Lakers defense takes hit; Knicks go sideways
Here's a look at the best and worst from an active first day of 2021 NBA free agency
https://www.cbssports.com/writers/colin-ward-henninger/
By Colin Ward-Henninger
5 hrs ago9 min read
Watch Now:Biggest Winner For Day 1 Of Free Agency(108)
NBA free agency officially began on Monday, with teams and players wasting no time coming to terms on lucrative deals throughout the league. While the NBA's biggest free agents, including Chris Paul, didn't change teams, there were still some deals that could potentially alter the landscape of the NBA.
The Miami Heat had another big summer, reportedly landing All-Star Kyle Lowry in a sign-and-trade with the Toronto Raptors. Meanwhile, the Chicago Bulls reached an agreement with rising star guard Lonzo Ball, who had drawn interest from several teams around the NBA.
For other teams, it didn't quite go as well. Obviously, this is subject to change as free agency unfolds, but here is a look at some winners and losers from the first day of 2021 NBA free agency.
Winner: Miami Heat
Oh, you didn't think Pat Riley was going to sit on his hands this offseason, did you? The Miami Heat pulled off a major coup on the first day of free agency, landing veteran point guard Kyle Lowry and defensive forward extraordinaire P.J. Tucker while re-signing sharpshooter Duncan Robinson. With those three joining All-Stars Jimmy Butler and Bam Adebayo, the Heat now have one of the more imposing starting lineups in the NBA, with promising young guard Tyler Herro coming off the bench.
After a weird and disappointing 2020-21 season, it appears the Heat are right back in title contention, even with a thinned out supporting cast. Miami also managed to pull all this off without going into the luxury tax, according to ESPN's Bobby Marks, which is a true credit to general manager Andy Elisburg and the front office.
Loser: New York Knicks
Coming off a resurgent season that saw them make the postseason for the first time since 2013, earning the No. 4 seed in the Eastern Conference, the Knicks had seemingly all the hope in the world owning a league-high $52.6 million in salary cap space heading into the offseason, according to Marc Berman of the New York Post. At the end of the first day of free agency, however, they had spent nearly all of it to largely bring back the same team they had last year, agreeing to three-year deals with Derrick Rose, Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel. The biggest move the Knicks made was adding free-agent forward Evan Fournier on a reported four-year, $76 million contract, while losing Reggie Bullock to the Dallas Mavericks.
While the Knicks should be in decent shape for next season, this is hardly the offseason splash fans were hoping for. Fournier is a good player, but with potential difference-makers on the market like Lowry, Lonzo Ball, DeMar DeRozan or even (gasp) Chris Paul and Kawhi Leonard, it's hard to not view this as a disappointment. It would be one thing if they brought everyone back on one-year deals to maintain future flexibility, but they're now locked into a good chunk of money on players that could lead to a mediocre finish if Julius Randle fails to duplicate the outlier numbers he produced last year. Fournier should help the Knicks' 22nd-ranked offense with his shooting and playmaking ability, but it's hard to see him catapulting the Knicks into the title conversation.
Winner: Chris Paul
Two years ago, after Chris Paul was traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder along with draft picks for Russell Westbrook, there wasn't a person in the world who thought Paul, as a 36-year-old, would ever entertain the idea of turning down his $44 million option for the 2021-22 season. Well, two All-NBA seasons and a Finals appearance later, the future Hall of Famer did exactly that, opting for a new four-year contract with the Phoenix Suns worth upwards of $120 million. Not all of that money is guaranteed, but what a turnaround for a guy who looked to be on his way out of the league after injury-riddled seasons with the Rockets.
Loser: Lakers defense
Despite the occasionally jaw-dropping offense of LeBron James and Anthony Davis, the Lakers' recent success has stemmed from their defense, which allowed a league-best 106.8 points per 100 possessions last season. Their defense isn't looking quite as imposing after the opening day of free agency. The Lakers traded away Kyle Kuzma and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, two versatile defensive wings, in the deal to acquire Russell Westbrook from the Washington Wizards, and then lost Alex Caruso, arguably their best defensive guard, to the Chicago Bulls after reportedly not even producing a counteroffer. From Sam Amick of The Athletic:
Winner: Lonzo Ball
Considering where he was after his second season with the Los Angeles Lakers -- largely viewed as a disappointment whose best value to the franchise was as trade bait -- Ball has certainly done well for himself after agreeing to a four-year, $85 million contract with the Chicago Bulls on Monday. He'll join All-Star Zach LaVine in the backcourt for another big market team hoping to make a playoff push. Ball carved out a unique role for himself as a member of the New Orleans Pelicans while revamping his shooting mechanics and improving his 3-point accuracy to 37.8 percent last season after shooting 31.5 percent in his first two seasons with the Lakers. He was one of the most coveted free agents in the league, and he is now a huge part of the Bulls' future.
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Loser: New Orleans Pelicans
Let me just say off the bat: I really like Devonte' Graham. But everything the Pelicans do from this moment forward needs to be in service of keeping Zion Williamson happy. Adding players like Graham, Tomas Satoransky and Garrett Temple are solid moves, but not when it comes at the expense of losing Ball, an emerging star who already has a strong relationship with Williamson and Brandon Ingram.
"It'd be dope," Williamson said in May of a possible Ball return. "Me, Brandon [Ingram] and Zo, the three of us have a great relationship. I really would want Zo to come back. He knows that."
Because they had Ball's full Bird rights, the Pelicans could have offered him more money than the Bulls, or any team for that matter. They did a decent job replacing him and clearly still have more moves to make, but it seems like re-signing Ball to grow alongside Williamson may have been the simplest and most beneficial move.
Winner: Golden State Warriors
Not going to lie, things weren't looking great for the Warriors on the first day of free agency. Potential targets like Nicolas Batum, Trevor Ariza and Kent Bazemore agreed to deals elsewhere, leaving the Warriors with fewer options. To add insult to injury, Bazemore reportedly turned down a more lucrative deal with Golden State to join the Lakers, who he feels have a better shot at winning a title.
But then, just after midnight Eastern Time, Yahoo's Chris Haynes announced that veteran wing Otto Porter Jr. would be joining the Warriors. It would have been a solid signing regardless, but then the bombshell dropped -- they got Porter on a minimum deal after he turned down more lucrative offers.
This means that Golden State still has the money to go after another veteran target (they're reportedly interested in guard Patty Mills) to bolster their depth as they hope to return to title contention next season behind Stephen Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.
The Warriors drafted two teenage wings during last Thursday's draft -- Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody -- neither of which might be able to contribute immediately to a team with title aspirations. It was essential for them to add immediate veteran wing help and, if he can stay healthy, Porter does exactly that.
Winners: Duncan Robinson and Norman Powell
One of the best parts about NBA free agency is that you get to watch players cash in after years of hard work. Duncan Robinson and Norman Powell stand out among this year's class, both agreeing to five-year, $90 million contracts on Monday. Robinson worked his way up from Division III Williams College to become one of the league's most deadly and prolific 3-point shooters. His deal with the Miami Heat is the largest ever for an undrafted NBA player.
Powell was a second-round pick who spent time in the G League before carving out a role with the Toronto Raptors and eventually being traded to the Portland Trail Blazers, with whom he'll ink his long-term deal.
There's a ton of money being thrown around in professional sports, but these stories of players sticking with their dreams to achieve ultimate financial security are truly heartwarming.
Loser: Milwaukee Bucks
The Bucks were all set to be a big winner of the first day of free agency after Bobby Portis elected to re-sign with the defending champs at a below-market rate of two years, $9 million. But then, in one of the bigger twists of the offseason so far, it was announced that veteran forward P.J. Tucker intends to sign with the Miami Heat. This was quite a shock given how important Tucker was for the Bucks in their pursuit of a championship and what a bond he seemed to form with his teammates and the city of Milwaukee. Tucker took to Instagram on Monday and seemed to insinuate that he would have stayed in Milwaukee, but negotiations didn't go how he'd hoped.
"Wow.. I'm still a little lost for words to be honest," Tucker wrote on Instagram. "Still in shook but it is what it is. Today took a hard turn on the road of my career but like my grandma used to tell me.. all you can control is what you can control."
It will be nearly impossible to replace Tucker given Milwaukee's financial restraints -- though they did reportedly agree to terms with bulky former Celtics forward Semi Ojeleye -- and they could seriously regret not re-signing Tucker if they're facing big wings like Kevin Durant, Jayson Tatum or LeBron James in next year's playoffs.
Winner: Jarrett Allen
Any time you sign a $100 million contract, you're a winner. The Cavaliers decided that Allen is an important part of their future, and rewarded the 23-year-old center with a five-year deal that reportedly reached nine figures -- not bad for the No. 22 overall pick in 2017. The Cavs just drafted big man Evan Mobley with the No. 3 pick in Thursday's draft, but clearly, they feel that he and Allen can co-exist given Mobley's guard skills and passing ability. Locking up Allen gives Cleveland an interesting one-two big-man punch for the foreseeable future.
Here's a look at the best and worst from an active first day of 2021 NBA free agency
https://www.cbssports.com/writers/colin-ward-henninger/
By Colin Ward-Henninger
5 hrs ago9 min read
Watch Now:Biggest Winner For Day 1 Of Free Agency(108)
NBA free agency officially began on Monday, with teams and players wasting no time coming to terms on lucrative deals throughout the league. While the NBA's biggest free agents, including Chris Paul, didn't change teams, there were still some deals that could potentially alter the landscape of the NBA.
The Miami Heat had another big summer, reportedly landing All-Star Kyle Lowry in a sign-and-trade with the Toronto Raptors. Meanwhile, the Chicago Bulls reached an agreement with rising star guard Lonzo Ball, who had drawn interest from several teams around the NBA.
For other teams, it didn't quite go as well. Obviously, this is subject to change as free agency unfolds, but here is a look at some winners and losers from the first day of 2021 NBA free agency.
Winner: Miami Heat
Oh, you didn't think Pat Riley was going to sit on his hands this offseason, did you? The Miami Heat pulled off a major coup on the first day of free agency, landing veteran point guard Kyle Lowry and defensive forward extraordinaire P.J. Tucker while re-signing sharpshooter Duncan Robinson. With those three joining All-Stars Jimmy Butler and Bam Adebayo, the Heat now have one of the more imposing starting lineups in the NBA, with promising young guard Tyler Herro coming off the bench.
After a weird and disappointing 2020-21 season, it appears the Heat are right back in title contention, even with a thinned out supporting cast. Miami also managed to pull all this off without going into the luxury tax, according to ESPN's Bobby Marks, which is a true credit to general manager Andy Elisburg and the front office.
Loser: New York Knicks
Coming off a resurgent season that saw them make the postseason for the first time since 2013, earning the No. 4 seed in the Eastern Conference, the Knicks had seemingly all the hope in the world owning a league-high $52.6 million in salary cap space heading into the offseason, according to Marc Berman of the New York Post. At the end of the first day of free agency, however, they had spent nearly all of it to largely bring back the same team they had last year, agreeing to three-year deals with Derrick Rose, Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel. The biggest move the Knicks made was adding free-agent forward Evan Fournier on a reported four-year, $76 million contract, while losing Reggie Bullock to the Dallas Mavericks.
While the Knicks should be in decent shape for next season, this is hardly the offseason splash fans were hoping for. Fournier is a good player, but with potential difference-makers on the market like Lowry, Lonzo Ball, DeMar DeRozan or even (gasp) Chris Paul and Kawhi Leonard, it's hard to not view this as a disappointment. It would be one thing if they brought everyone back on one-year deals to maintain future flexibility, but they're now locked into a good chunk of money on players that could lead to a mediocre finish if Julius Randle fails to duplicate the outlier numbers he produced last year. Fournier should help the Knicks' 22nd-ranked offense with his shooting and playmaking ability, but it's hard to see him catapulting the Knicks into the title conversation.
Winner: Chris Paul
Two years ago, after Chris Paul was traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder along with draft picks for Russell Westbrook, there wasn't a person in the world who thought Paul, as a 36-year-old, would ever entertain the idea of turning down his $44 million option for the 2021-22 season. Well, two All-NBA seasons and a Finals appearance later, the future Hall of Famer did exactly that, opting for a new four-year contract with the Phoenix Suns worth upwards of $120 million. Not all of that money is guaranteed, but what a turnaround for a guy who looked to be on his way out of the league after injury-riddled seasons with the Rockets.
Loser: Lakers defense
Despite the occasionally jaw-dropping offense of LeBron James and Anthony Davis, the Lakers' recent success has stemmed from their defense, which allowed a league-best 106.8 points per 100 possessions last season. Their defense isn't looking quite as imposing after the opening day of free agency. The Lakers traded away Kyle Kuzma and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, two versatile defensive wings, in the deal to acquire Russell Westbrook from the Washington Wizards, and then lost Alex Caruso, arguably their best defensive guard, to the Chicago Bulls after reportedly not even producing a counteroffer. From Sam Amick of The Athletic:
The Lakers added veterans Trevor Ariza, Wayne Ellington and Kent Bazemore on the wing, but they're not exactly viewed as defensive stoppers at this point in their careers. They also brought back Dwight Howard, who is a solid paint protector but struggles to defend perimeter players after switches. Free agency is far from over, but at least on paper, the elite Lakers defense has taken a considerable hit.
Winner: Lonzo Ball
Considering where he was after his second season with the Los Angeles Lakers -- largely viewed as a disappointment whose best value to the franchise was as trade bait -- Ball has certainly done well for himself after agreeing to a four-year, $85 million contract with the Chicago Bulls on Monday. He'll join All-Star Zach LaVine in the backcourt for another big market team hoping to make a playoff push. Ball carved out a unique role for himself as a member of the New Orleans Pelicans while revamping his shooting mechanics and improving his 3-point accuracy to 37.8 percent last season after shooting 31.5 percent in his first two seasons with the Lakers. He was one of the most coveted free agents in the league, and he is now a huge part of the Bulls' future.
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Loser: New Orleans Pelicans
Let me just say off the bat: I really like Devonte' Graham. But everything the Pelicans do from this moment forward needs to be in service of keeping Zion Williamson happy. Adding players like Graham, Tomas Satoransky and Garrett Temple are solid moves, but not when it comes at the expense of losing Ball, an emerging star who already has a strong relationship with Williamson and Brandon Ingram.
"It'd be dope," Williamson said in May of a possible Ball return. "Me, Brandon [Ingram] and Zo, the three of us have a great relationship. I really would want Zo to come back. He knows that."
Because they had Ball's full Bird rights, the Pelicans could have offered him more money than the Bulls, or any team for that matter. They did a decent job replacing him and clearly still have more moves to make, but it seems like re-signing Ball to grow alongside Williamson may have been the simplest and most beneficial move.
Winner: Golden State Warriors
Not going to lie, things weren't looking great for the Warriors on the first day of free agency. Potential targets like Nicolas Batum, Trevor Ariza and Kent Bazemore agreed to deals elsewhere, leaving the Warriors with fewer options. To add insult to injury, Bazemore reportedly turned down a more lucrative deal with Golden State to join the Lakers, who he feels have a better shot at winning a title.
But then, just after midnight Eastern Time, Yahoo's Chris Haynes announced that veteran wing Otto Porter Jr. would be joining the Warriors. It would have been a solid signing regardless, but then the bombshell dropped -- they got Porter on a minimum deal after he turned down more lucrative offers.
This means that Golden State still has the money to go after another veteran target (they're reportedly interested in guard Patty Mills) to bolster their depth as they hope to return to title contention next season behind Stephen Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.
The Warriors drafted two teenage wings during last Thursday's draft -- Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody -- neither of which might be able to contribute immediately to a team with title aspirations. It was essential for them to add immediate veteran wing help and, if he can stay healthy, Porter does exactly that.
Winners: Duncan Robinson and Norman Powell
One of the best parts about NBA free agency is that you get to watch players cash in after years of hard work. Duncan Robinson and Norman Powell stand out among this year's class, both agreeing to five-year, $90 million contracts on Monday. Robinson worked his way up from Division III Williams College to become one of the league's most deadly and prolific 3-point shooters. His deal with the Miami Heat is the largest ever for an undrafted NBA player.
Powell was a second-round pick who spent time in the G League before carving out a role with the Toronto Raptors and eventually being traded to the Portland Trail Blazers, with whom he'll ink his long-term deal.
There's a ton of money being thrown around in professional sports, but these stories of players sticking with their dreams to achieve ultimate financial security are truly heartwarming.
Loser: Milwaukee Bucks
The Bucks were all set to be a big winner of the first day of free agency after Bobby Portis elected to re-sign with the defending champs at a below-market rate of two years, $9 million. But then, in one of the bigger twists of the offseason so far, it was announced that veteran forward P.J. Tucker intends to sign with the Miami Heat. This was quite a shock given how important Tucker was for the Bucks in their pursuit of a championship and what a bond he seemed to form with his teammates and the city of Milwaukee. Tucker took to Instagram on Monday and seemed to insinuate that he would have stayed in Milwaukee, but negotiations didn't go how he'd hoped.
"Wow.. I'm still a little lost for words to be honest," Tucker wrote on Instagram. "Still in shook but it is what it is. Today took a hard turn on the road of my career but like my grandma used to tell me.. all you can control is what you can control."
It will be nearly impossible to replace Tucker given Milwaukee's financial restraints -- though they did reportedly agree to terms with bulky former Celtics forward Semi Ojeleye -- and they could seriously regret not re-signing Tucker if they're facing big wings like Kevin Durant, Jayson Tatum or LeBron James in next year's playoffs.
Winner: Jarrett Allen
Any time you sign a $100 million contract, you're a winner. The Cavaliers decided that Allen is an important part of their future, and rewarded the 23-year-old center with a five-year deal that reportedly reached nine figures -- not bad for the No. 22 overall pick in 2017. The Cavs just drafted big man Evan Mobley with the No. 3 pick in Thursday's draft, but clearly, they feel that he and Allen can co-exist given Mobley's guard skills and passing ability. Locking up Allen gives Cleveland an interesting one-two big-man punch for the foreseeable future.
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