I am liking the other promotions. Here is MLW. I like how they have deep talent and varied looks and styles. They got some big bruisers on their roster.
Anybody supposedly "turned off" was never a AEW fan in the first place. They've been conditioned by WWE PG nonsense. The ratings reflect differently than this false "turned off" narrative that is getting pushed. Again, AEW has been doing hardcore matches since the beginning. If it was so detrimental to the company they would've been out of business by now but instead they've only gotten hotter. Sorry but I'm just not buying it.
NWA hopefully can rebound back to prominence or at least get a share of the pie. They have that good old fashioned tv studio action from ATL, Memphis, Oklahoma City, and Florida from the 80s type of feel. Fans long for that style again.
I agree.
Death matches aren't for everyone, that's fair. But there are people out there that are so pro-WWE, they're anti-AEW, they probably weren't "turned on" in the first place.
The spot was on TNT more than anything. They knew about the match.
They air ads during the hardcore stuff all the time and none of the other sponsors made a peep.
I heard somebody outside of AEW ratted them out to Dominos. Somebody from Domino's made a statement, but that doesn't mean they really give a shit. They only said they were going to re-evaluate.
The spot was funny for what it was worth.
The Goldberg match is what effectively killed the The Fiend.
It depends on the wrestler and how they book them.I don't think that match killed him...if he would've been booked properly it wouldn't have even mattered. I don't know what was going on with him but he wasn't even on TV and hasn't been. That killed him much more than him losing to Goldberg. One match doesn't kill a wrestler...that's all on WWE.
I don't think that match killed him...if he would've been booked properly it wouldn't have even mattered. I don't know what was going on with him but he wasn't even on TV and hasn't been. That killed him much more than him losing to Goldberg. One match doesn't kill a wrestler...that's all on WWE.
The fans didn't care. Bray was still over and one of the biggest acts they had. Most people realized it was shitty booking by the WWE than it was Bray.Imagine being booked as this unstoppable monster and then get squashed by a 53-year-old man in under 5 mins. How can you be taken serious after that? That's a wrap.
I can see his character getting stale but we know what that's about. That wasn't because of him losing to Goldberg.It depends on the wrestler and how they book them.
Sami Zayn can lose 10 matches in a row and still stay over with heat.
The Fiend loses one match against Oldberg and nobody cares about him anymore.
Doesn't help that his character got stale too fast with the Funhouse Stuff going from interesting to eyeroll pretty quickly.
I really want to see what Windham Rotunda does outside of the WWE umbrella. Let's see if he really is a creative genius or if it was him benefiting from having the WWE marketing machine behind him.
Imagine being booked as this unstoppable monster and then get squashed by a 53-year-old man in under 5 mins. How can you be taken serious after that? That's a wrap.
The fans didn't care. Bray was still over and one of the biggest acts they had. Most people realized it was shitty booking by the WWE than it was Bray.
If they would've booked Bray properly that match wouldn't have mattered. People talking about Goldberg......shit are we going to forget he was just on Mania and got beat by Randy Orton in a shitty match and let Alexa get the best of him? That shit did far worse for his character than losing to Goldberg....
I can see his character getting stale but we know what that's about. That wasn't because of him losing to Goldberg.
And yeah if he's truly the creative genius that people say then he's going to be a nice cash grab for someone especially if he's really selling merchandise like that.
This one really doesn't make much sense to me. I didn't see Braun or AB getting cut but you could probably make some sense of it since WWE didn't know what to do with them anyway. And you could argue that WWE has no idea what to do with Bray.....he sold merchandise well, one of the few "dark" characters they have, seemed like their "new" Taker.
For a budget cut....seems like it would make more sense to cut 3 wrestlers from NXT that you not using than to get rid of him.
No, the fans care about that shit. They still hope for decent booking because WWE is capable of it, it's just that they won't.
Yes, they will still root for him because they like him, but they are aware that not winning big matches hurts the character.
Fans are happy when the booking matches the characters and the storyline.
Dominant characters need to look dominant.
Roman can't be the head of the table if he doesn't win the big matches. Omega can't be the belt collector if he sometimes loses belts.
And whoever beats the dominant character, they should become the next big dominant character.
Nobody wanted the next big guy to be Oldberg. They wanted somebody young and new to beat the Fiend when it's time for him to lose.
Fans were pissed because it was Goldberg's idea to go over in that match and they cancelled the plan to have Bray win. He was very self-serving to think the fans wanted him to be the Fiend slayer.
The fans will be just as pissed if Goldberg beats Bobby because when it's time for Bobby to lose, he should lose the title to Big E or Keith Lee.
But WWE's fucking up by not building them up. That's why Nikki Cross is fucked up now because they put the title on her first and NOW they're trying to build her up, which makes her look like a weak ass champion. She was just happy to be a lumberjack in a men's match like two months ago.
And the Fiend/Orton match was not worse because Bray's character was already weak by that point. The Orton match wasn't bad necessarily because Bray lost (even though he should've won), it was bad because they never followed up on it. They never explained what happened, and nothing came from it. Just Bray's not burnt anymore, Alexa's possessed by evil and Randy's not throwing up oil and cutting promos against himself anymore. The End.
Months of storyline, just dropped. What do you do after that?
I'm not pro-WWE. I think their product sucks right now except for a few acts.Anybody supposedly "turned off" was never a AEW fan in the first place. They've been conditioned by WWE PG nonsense. The ratings reflect differently than this false "turned off" narrative that is getting pushed. Again, AEW has been doing hardcore matches since the beginning. If it was so detrimental to the company they would've been out of business by now but instead they've only gotten hotter. Sorry but I'm just not buying it.
Agreed. As with my point about Zayn above, fans don't really care about wins vs losses. They care about the character and The Fiend was a great character fans no longer cared about due to poor booking.When I say the fans don't care I'm saying the fans don't care that Goldberg beat Bray. Bray still would've been over. He's still loved by the fans. If anything it hurt Goldberg more than anyone. So I can't sit here and buy that what hurt Bray is him losing to Goldberg......that hurt their product but it surely didn't hurt Bray. Bray will go to any promotion he wants and be one of their top acts there.
I disagree that the Orton match was bad for the exact reason you said about Goldberg. On no planet at this point in time should Randy be beating Bray Wyatt especially after that long build up.
I would never do it but there was a way to book Bray losing to Goldberg if they wanted to go that route. They did it the worst possible way.
I think you summed up how I feel about this shit....if AEW is the one that's suppose to save all....I'll be honest that shit reminds me of WCW in the bad times...maybe its the fact its on TNT...I don't know what it is or maybe its the Indy show feel like you said.I'm not pro-WWE. I think their product sucks right now except for a few acts.
AEW just comes off like a super indy show every week and I've never been into the indy stuff.
If CM Punk comes to AEW that will definitely get me more interested in their product, but too much of their stuff comes off as amateurish and outlaw.
At least WWE performers are properly trained, they just have shitty storylines being booked for them.
I'm honestly becoming less and less of a wrestling fan now, especially with AEW and WWE being the only mainstream options.
100% agree...if anyone else had booked Goldberg to beat Bray or for Bray to lose to Orton....the fan in me would be anticipated to see well damn what will they do after that....but knowing how they book and how they've been booking him....I should've known it wouldn't have resulted in anything.Agreed. As with my point about Zayn above, fans don't really care about wins vs losses. They care about the character and The Fiend was a great character fans no longer cared about due to poor booking.
Some wrestlers don't need belts to stay hot. Look at Braun. He was mega over a few years ago before ever getting a belt.
Titles and wins don't make wrestlers. The booking does.
WWE booked The Fiend like crap.
I'm not pro-WWE. I think their product sucks right now except for a few acts.
AEW just comes off like a super indy show every week and I've never been into the indy stuff.
If CM Punk comes to AEW that will definitely get me more interested in their product, but too much of their stuff comes off as amateurish and outlaw.
At least WWE performers are properly trained, they just have shitty storylines being booked for them.
I'm honestly becoming less and less of a wrestling fan now, especially with AEW and WWE being the only mainstream options.
AEW is pushing Indy wrestling nobodies as main event talent. I think the reason they signed so much old WWE talent is because they realized they have too many Indy performers and not enough trained TV ready stars. Their product comes off as Indy promotion with a big budget. Their on screen production (TV crew) does a shitty job with live TV. I notice so many botches in the ring and through the camera because they are shitty at TV production.I'm not pro-WWE. I think their product sucks right now except for a few acts.
AEW just comes off like a super indy show every week and I've never been into the indy stuff.
If CM Punk comes to AEW that will definitely get me more interested in their product, but too much of their stuff comes off as amateurish and outlaw.
At least WWE performers are properly trained, they just have shitty storylines being booked for them.
I'm honestly becoming less and less of a wrestling fan now, especially with AEW and WWE being the only mainstream options.
AEW is pushing Indy wrestling nobodies as main event talent.
I think the reason they signed so much old WWE talent is because they realized they have too many Indy performers and not enough trained TV ready stars.
Their product comes off as Indy promotion with a big budget. Their on screen production (TV crew) does a shitty job with live TV. I notice so many botches in the ring and through the camera because they are shitty at TV production.
Outlaw is a perfect description for them. I want to like them but lose interest in their product because I don’t care about anyone there, plus their announce team is the drizzling shits. Even JR is at the point of just cashing a check.
Omega, Young Bucks, Adam Page, Pac, Moxley, Jericho aren't indy wrestling nobodies. Those are the main event players in AEW.
They didn't realize anything. You always sign the established names to give the rub to the younger upcoming talent. It's the reason why Darby, Jungle Boy, Orange Cassidy, Britt Baker, MJF are top ratings draws and merch sellers.
That's everywhere brother. WWE, AEW, Impact, NWA, AAA, NJPW, you name it. There's a YouTube channel I don't know if it's still around but it's called botchamaina and over half the botch clips come from WWE. In reality everyone botches no matter the promotion.
Their announce team is no worse than WWE, NWA, Impact, ROH. I'll take Excalibur any day of the week over Michael Cole. Probably the best in the business is Don Callis but unfortunately he's wrapped up in a manager role with Omega. Hopefully after JR's contract runs out they hire Callis to take over.
Y'all shittin' on indie wrestlers like half of WWE's roster isn't made up of indie wrestlers and ROH guys.
Owens, Sami, Keith Lee, Riddle, Ricochet, Adam Cole, Cesaro were wrestling in the same companies and at the same time as The Young Bucks, Brian Cage, Colt Cabana, Kenny Omega, The Lucha Bros, Cassidy, Eddie Kingston.
Y'all shittin' on indie wrestlers like half of WWE's roster isn't made up of indie wrestlers and ROH guys.
Owens, Sami, Keith Lee, Riddle, Ricochet, Adam Cole, Cesaro were wrestling in the same companies and at the same time as The Young Bucks, Brian Cage, Colt Cabana, Kenny Omega, The Lucha Bros, Cassidy, Eddie Kingston.
It's the indy wrestling presentation I'm shitting on.Y'all shittin' on indie wrestlers like half of WWE's roster isn't made up of indie wrestlers and ROH guys.
Owens, Sami, Keith Lee, Riddle, Ricochet, Adam Cole, Cesaro were wrestling in the same companies and at the same time as The Young Bucks, Brian Cage, Colt Cabana, Kenny Omega, The Lucha Bros, Cassidy, Eddie Kingston.