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What to Expect in ‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ Finale
With many of the series’ main characters poised to meet in New York, the sixth episode should tie up many of the season’s loose ends
By Daniel Chin Apr 21, 2021, 8:59am EDT
On Friday, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier will likely welcome a new Captain America to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It took the series five episodes and an interim Cap to reach this point, but Sam Wilson appears ready to become the franchise cornerstone, as Marvel continues to evolve at the dawn of Phase 4.
Falcon was originally meant to be the MCU’s first Disney+ show before pandemic-related delays shuffled WandaVision ahead of it. Through its first five installments, it’s clear why Falcon was slated to go first; the Anthony Mackie–starring vehicle is a direct response to the universe-altering events of Avengers: Endgame. Falcon takes place in a world still recovering from Thanos wiping out half of the population, while centering its story on the complicated legacy of Captain America, the shield he made famous, and the country that symbol represents. And unlike WandaVision, which Marvel plans to submit as a Limited Series in the 2021 Emmys race, Falcon may have more stories to tell in the future, too; Marvel producer Nate Moore recently spoke to IndieWire about the possibility of another Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes team-up after this season. “Falcon and Winter Soldier is really about dealing with, to me, the legacy of what a superhero is, through the lens of Captain America and his shield, but ultimately through the lens of all these different characters,” Moore said. “And that’s a story I think you can revisit in subsequent seasons because it’s an evergreen story. It’s a conversation.”
But before we can look ahead to the sprawling future of the MCU, Sam and Bucky still face a climactic battle in New York City in the season finale. Karli Morgenthau and the Flag-Smashers have already commenced their plans to attack the Global Repatriation Council ahead of its vote for the Patch Act, which would displace millions of people. And with Sam opening his mysterious gift from the Wakandans in the final moments of the fifth episode, he’ll surely be ready for a rematch with Karli—as well as with John Walker, when he comes for his own rematch against Karli—this time with the shield in his hands.
There are still a lot of loose ends to tie up and plenty of story left to tell in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. So ahead of the season finale, let’s assess what’s at stake for the major characters who are poised to collide in the final battle in New York, beginning with Falcon’s many antagonists and working toward our heroes.
John Walker
Disney+
When John Walker made his debut in the closing moments of the season premiere, the war hero appeared to have everything he could have dreamed of: the title of Captain America and his best friend Lemar Hoskins working as his partner. Now, following a disastrous series of events in Latvia, he’s lost both.
In the span of the past two episodes, Walker responded to Hoskins’s death by publicly executing a Flag-Smasher, losing the shield to Sam and Bucky, and losing the Captain America title. In those same two episodes, Walker also consumed the super soldier serum, met a mysterious potential ally or employer in Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, and began forging a new shield to match the knockoff Captain America outfit that he’ll likely debut in the finale. This could be the moment that Walker follows the path he takes in the comics after he snaps following his parents’ deaths and becomes the U.S. Agent, the darker, more violent response to Captain America.
When Val (don’t call her Val!) approached Walker just moments after he stood before U.S. government officials in the fifth episode, she told him that taking the serum made him “very valuable to certain people,” and informed him that she’d be getting back in touch. Dr. Wilfred Nagel succeeded where many had failed when he managed to recreate the super soldier serum, and thanks to Helmut Zemo eliminating both the remaining known supply and the scientist who created it, Walker may be the last of this new wave of super soldiers. (That is, until another creepy scientist inevitably picks up the trail some day.) Val’s call has yet to come, but their new connection could signal a future for Walker in the MCU beyond the conclusion of Falcon.
But before any potential team-ups, Walker will presumably seek vengeance for Lemar’s death. Although Walker told the Hoskins family that the Flag-Smasher he killed was the one who killed Lemar, Karli was the true culprit. Even before his first confrontation with Karli and the Flag-Smashers in the second episode, the pressure was already mounting for Walker as he stepped into Steve Rogers’s shadow as the new Captain America. “Everybody in the world expects me to be something,” Walker told his wife before his Good Morning America interview. “And I don’t want to fail them.” But that’s exactly what he did.
Karli Morgenthau and the Flag-Smashers
Disney+
Karli and her Flag-Smashers are approaching their endgame. Their goal throughout the season has been to revert the world to statelessness, unified without borders, as it was for the five years when half of the global population turned to dust. After stealing all 20 vials of the Power Broker’s supply of super soldier serum, Karli’s methods have grown increasingly radical: Bank heists in Switzerland soon led to the bombing of a GRC supply depot in Lithuania, and before long Karli was even threatening the lives of innocent civilians like Sam’s sister, Sarah. And ahead of the finale, Karli has crossed the Atlantic to team up with the known LAF terrorist Georges Batroc in a final effort to take down the GRC, Sam Wilson, and whoever else stands in their way.
Despite all the good that Karli has done by helping desperate people who were displaced by the Blip, she has also grown accustomed to killing her enemies to get the job done, and she has been “radicalized beyond salvation,” according to the ever-perceptive Baron Zemo. Even her right-hand man, Dovich, seems to be questioning her every move at this point, as Karli appears to have lost her moral compass in the pursuit of her mission. Only six of the original eight Flag-Smashers juiced up with the Power Broker’s serum remain, but while their small army of super soldiers is dwindling, their legion of followers has grown ever larger.
Sharon Carter
Disney+
While Karli and the Flag-Smashers begin to put their plans to prevent the vote in motion, the Power Broker has not forgotten what Karli stole to fuel her movement in the first place. Although we still somehow do not know who the Power Broker is, it would be a surprise at this point if the mysterious character is revealed to be anyone other than Sharon Carter.
The former S.H.I.E.L.D. and CIA agent has built herself a new life in the criminal underworld of Madripoor, where the Power Broker reigns supreme, and the fifth episode revealed that she has even aligned herself with the likes of Batroc the Leaper. Carter helped free Batroc from an Algerian prison and was last seen offering him a lucrative new gig over the phone. And while we never got to hear the end of their call, the next time we see Batroc, he’s delivering a case to Karli, the same person the Power Broker has been hunting all season. Unless Batroc really is teaming up with the Flag-Smashers in New York to get revenge on Sam after the Falcon lost him some money in the series premiere, Carter could be planting Batroc right in the middle of Karli’s conflict with the GRC to get revenge for the stolen serum once and for all.
Bucky Barnes
Disney+
James Buchanan “Bucky” Barnes, the best-looking 106-year-old man you’ll ever see, has experienced his fair share of trauma. The first time we saw him in Falcon, Bucky was in the middle of a nightmare, one of the many he’s experienced as his overwhelming guilt resurfaces from his days as Hydra’s top hit man. The premiere explored Bucky’s attempts to reacclimate to the world after knowing little but war and fighting for decades, but the court-ordered therapist’s guidelines to make amends and confront his past were doing little to provide Bucky with new purpose. Only after traveling the world with Sam, culminating in an adorable boat-fixing montage in Louisiana, was Bucky seemingly able to begin working to find peace and start a new life after his harrowing days as the infamous Winter Soldier.
In the fifth episode, Bucky helped Sam reclaim the shield, but they also finally came to an understanding and learned to work together. While Bucky and Sam casually hurled Cap’s shield back and forth off of trees the way most people might toss around a Frisbee, Sam helped Bucky find his most valuable therapy session yet. “You want to climb out of that hell you’re in, do the work,” Sam told him. “You weren’t amending, you were avenging. You were stopping all the wrongdoers you enabled as the Winter Soldier, because you thought it would bring you closure. You go to these people and say ‘sorry,’ because you think it’ll make you feel better, right? But you have to make them feel better.”
Sam advised Bucky to begin by picking one person from his long list of amends, and unless Bucky is thinking about bringing some Marvin Gaye records for Zemo to dance to in his new prison, he’s likely on his way to tell Yori Nakajima what really happened to his son on that fateful day when he crossed paths with the Winter Soldier years ago.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier have become a true team just in time for the face-off with the Flag-Smashers in New York. And once this next fight is over, Bucky may be able to finally start that new life that’s eluded him for decades.
Sam Wilson
Disney+
After Sam shared the spotlight with Bucky and even the scene-stealing Baron Zemo for much of the season, the fifth episode re-centered the show’s focus on Sam as the true star of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. As producer Nate Moore previously advertised, last week’s episode was the “culmination” of the show’s themes around Captain America’s complex legacy and how taking on the mantle means something entirely different for a Black man in America.
Sam finally had the chance to sit down with Isaiah Bradley and hear the full story of the horror and injustice he faced when the U.S. government wrongfully imprisoned him for 30 years and experimented on him, stealing his blood to try to synthesize a new super soldier serum. There’s no way for Sam to move past the racism and injustice that Black people face in America, and Sam may still decide that this symbol is not something he wants to stand behind. But, Sam also told his sister, “What would be the point of all the pain and sacrifice if I wasn’t willing to stand up and keep fighting?”
Like any good origin story, “Truth” also featured Sam in a classic training montage as he learned to use Captain America’s shield. With inspirational music accompanying his training, Sam returned to his running roots and mastered the shield throw, as well as the required series of cool flips into the shield throw. There’s still a lot left for Sam to process, but right now he and Bucky are the only ones suited to face the Flag-Smashers in New York. Sam has done the training, and his partner (coworker?) is ready to stand with him. Will Sam decide he’s ready to don his iconic Captain America suit from the comics, which is likely the gift that’s awaiting him in that box from the Wakandans?
Sam passed off his broken wings to his potential successor for the likely vacant title of Falcon: Joaquin Torres. The U.S. Air Force lieutenant will almost certainly take the time to repair them, and may also revive the Falcon EXO suit’s accompanying drone, Redwing. In a strange twist of fate in the comics, Torres even has a psychic bond with Redwing—Sam’s actual living falcon—after his DNA is spliced with Redwing’s, transforming Torres into a mutated human-falcon hybrid in the process. But while Torres may take on Sam’s old mantle, Sam will likely still don a new set of wings, carrying his past as Falcon into whatever he decides he wants his Captain America to be.
It’s been a long journey for Sam since Steve Rogers first ran laps around him in Washington, D.C., during his debut in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. In The Falcon and the Winter Soldier season finale, Sam Wilson will begin to forge a new legacy.
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With many of the series’ main characters poised to meet in New York, the sixth episode should tie up many of the season’s loose ends
By Daniel Chin Apr 21, 2021, 8:59am EDT
On Friday, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier will likely welcome a new Captain America to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It took the series five episodes and an interim Cap to reach this point, but Sam Wilson appears ready to become the franchise cornerstone, as Marvel continues to evolve at the dawn of Phase 4.
Falcon was originally meant to be the MCU’s first Disney+ show before pandemic-related delays shuffled WandaVision ahead of it. Through its first five installments, it’s clear why Falcon was slated to go first; the Anthony Mackie–starring vehicle is a direct response to the universe-altering events of Avengers: Endgame. Falcon takes place in a world still recovering from Thanos wiping out half of the population, while centering its story on the complicated legacy of Captain America, the shield he made famous, and the country that symbol represents. And unlike WandaVision, which Marvel plans to submit as a Limited Series in the 2021 Emmys race, Falcon may have more stories to tell in the future, too; Marvel producer Nate Moore recently spoke to IndieWire about the possibility of another Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes team-up after this season. “Falcon and Winter Soldier is really about dealing with, to me, the legacy of what a superhero is, through the lens of Captain America and his shield, but ultimately through the lens of all these different characters,” Moore said. “And that’s a story I think you can revisit in subsequent seasons because it’s an evergreen story. It’s a conversation.”
But before we can look ahead to the sprawling future of the MCU, Sam and Bucky still face a climactic battle in New York City in the season finale. Karli Morgenthau and the Flag-Smashers have already commenced their plans to attack the Global Repatriation Council ahead of its vote for the Patch Act, which would displace millions of people. And with Sam opening his mysterious gift from the Wakandans in the final moments of the fifth episode, he’ll surely be ready for a rematch with Karli—as well as with John Walker, when he comes for his own rematch against Karli—this time with the shield in his hands.
There are still a lot of loose ends to tie up and plenty of story left to tell in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. So ahead of the season finale, let’s assess what’s at stake for the major characters who are poised to collide in the final battle in New York, beginning with Falcon’s many antagonists and working toward our heroes.
John Walker
Disney+
When John Walker made his debut in the closing moments of the season premiere, the war hero appeared to have everything he could have dreamed of: the title of Captain America and his best friend Lemar Hoskins working as his partner. Now, following a disastrous series of events in Latvia, he’s lost both.
In the span of the past two episodes, Walker responded to Hoskins’s death by publicly executing a Flag-Smasher, losing the shield to Sam and Bucky, and losing the Captain America title. In those same two episodes, Walker also consumed the super soldier serum, met a mysterious potential ally or employer in Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, and began forging a new shield to match the knockoff Captain America outfit that he’ll likely debut in the finale. This could be the moment that Walker follows the path he takes in the comics after he snaps following his parents’ deaths and becomes the U.S. Agent, the darker, more violent response to Captain America.
When Val (don’t call her Val!) approached Walker just moments after he stood before U.S. government officials in the fifth episode, she told him that taking the serum made him “very valuable to certain people,” and informed him that she’d be getting back in touch. Dr. Wilfred Nagel succeeded where many had failed when he managed to recreate the super soldier serum, and thanks to Helmut Zemo eliminating both the remaining known supply and the scientist who created it, Walker may be the last of this new wave of super soldiers. (That is, until another creepy scientist inevitably picks up the trail some day.) Val’s call has yet to come, but their new connection could signal a future for Walker in the MCU beyond the conclusion of Falcon.
But before any potential team-ups, Walker will presumably seek vengeance for Lemar’s death. Although Walker told the Hoskins family that the Flag-Smasher he killed was the one who killed Lemar, Karli was the true culprit. Even before his first confrontation with Karli and the Flag-Smashers in the second episode, the pressure was already mounting for Walker as he stepped into Steve Rogers’s shadow as the new Captain America. “Everybody in the world expects me to be something,” Walker told his wife before his Good Morning America interview. “And I don’t want to fail them.” But that’s exactly what he did.
Karli Morgenthau and the Flag-Smashers
Disney+
Karli and her Flag-Smashers are approaching their endgame. Their goal throughout the season has been to revert the world to statelessness, unified without borders, as it was for the five years when half of the global population turned to dust. After stealing all 20 vials of the Power Broker’s supply of super soldier serum, Karli’s methods have grown increasingly radical: Bank heists in Switzerland soon led to the bombing of a GRC supply depot in Lithuania, and before long Karli was even threatening the lives of innocent civilians like Sam’s sister, Sarah. And ahead of the finale, Karli has crossed the Atlantic to team up with the known LAF terrorist Georges Batroc in a final effort to take down the GRC, Sam Wilson, and whoever else stands in their way.
Despite all the good that Karli has done by helping desperate people who were displaced by the Blip, she has also grown accustomed to killing her enemies to get the job done, and she has been “radicalized beyond salvation,” according to the ever-perceptive Baron Zemo. Even her right-hand man, Dovich, seems to be questioning her every move at this point, as Karli appears to have lost her moral compass in the pursuit of her mission. Only six of the original eight Flag-Smashers juiced up with the Power Broker’s serum remain, but while their small army of super soldiers is dwindling, their legion of followers has grown ever larger.
Sharon Carter
Disney+
While Karli and the Flag-Smashers begin to put their plans to prevent the vote in motion, the Power Broker has not forgotten what Karli stole to fuel her movement in the first place. Although we still somehow do not know who the Power Broker is, it would be a surprise at this point if the mysterious character is revealed to be anyone other than Sharon Carter.
The former S.H.I.E.L.D. and CIA agent has built herself a new life in the criminal underworld of Madripoor, where the Power Broker reigns supreme, and the fifth episode revealed that she has even aligned herself with the likes of Batroc the Leaper. Carter helped free Batroc from an Algerian prison and was last seen offering him a lucrative new gig over the phone. And while we never got to hear the end of their call, the next time we see Batroc, he’s delivering a case to Karli, the same person the Power Broker has been hunting all season. Unless Batroc really is teaming up with the Flag-Smashers in New York to get revenge on Sam after the Falcon lost him some money in the series premiere, Carter could be planting Batroc right in the middle of Karli’s conflict with the GRC to get revenge for the stolen serum once and for all.
Bucky Barnes
Disney+
James Buchanan “Bucky” Barnes, the best-looking 106-year-old man you’ll ever see, has experienced his fair share of trauma. The first time we saw him in Falcon, Bucky was in the middle of a nightmare, one of the many he’s experienced as his overwhelming guilt resurfaces from his days as Hydra’s top hit man. The premiere explored Bucky’s attempts to reacclimate to the world after knowing little but war and fighting for decades, but the court-ordered therapist’s guidelines to make amends and confront his past were doing little to provide Bucky with new purpose. Only after traveling the world with Sam, culminating in an adorable boat-fixing montage in Louisiana, was Bucky seemingly able to begin working to find peace and start a new life after his harrowing days as the infamous Winter Soldier.
In the fifth episode, Bucky helped Sam reclaim the shield, but they also finally came to an understanding and learned to work together. While Bucky and Sam casually hurled Cap’s shield back and forth off of trees the way most people might toss around a Frisbee, Sam helped Bucky find his most valuable therapy session yet. “You want to climb out of that hell you’re in, do the work,” Sam told him. “You weren’t amending, you were avenging. You were stopping all the wrongdoers you enabled as the Winter Soldier, because you thought it would bring you closure. You go to these people and say ‘sorry,’ because you think it’ll make you feel better, right? But you have to make them feel better.”
Sam advised Bucky to begin by picking one person from his long list of amends, and unless Bucky is thinking about bringing some Marvin Gaye records for Zemo to dance to in his new prison, he’s likely on his way to tell Yori Nakajima what really happened to his son on that fateful day when he crossed paths with the Winter Soldier years ago.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier have become a true team just in time for the face-off with the Flag-Smashers in New York. And once this next fight is over, Bucky may be able to finally start that new life that’s eluded him for decades.
Sam Wilson
Disney+
After Sam shared the spotlight with Bucky and even the scene-stealing Baron Zemo for much of the season, the fifth episode re-centered the show’s focus on Sam as the true star of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. As producer Nate Moore previously advertised, last week’s episode was the “culmination” of the show’s themes around Captain America’s complex legacy and how taking on the mantle means something entirely different for a Black man in America.
Sam finally had the chance to sit down with Isaiah Bradley and hear the full story of the horror and injustice he faced when the U.S. government wrongfully imprisoned him for 30 years and experimented on him, stealing his blood to try to synthesize a new super soldier serum. There’s no way for Sam to move past the racism and injustice that Black people face in America, and Sam may still decide that this symbol is not something he wants to stand behind. But, Sam also told his sister, “What would be the point of all the pain and sacrifice if I wasn’t willing to stand up and keep fighting?”
Like any good origin story, “Truth” also featured Sam in a classic training montage as he learned to use Captain America’s shield. With inspirational music accompanying his training, Sam returned to his running roots and mastered the shield throw, as well as the required series of cool flips into the shield throw. There’s still a lot left for Sam to process, but right now he and Bucky are the only ones suited to face the Flag-Smashers in New York. Sam has done the training, and his partner (coworker?) is ready to stand with him. Will Sam decide he’s ready to don his iconic Captain America suit from the comics, which is likely the gift that’s awaiting him in that box from the Wakandans?
Sam passed off his broken wings to his potential successor for the likely vacant title of Falcon: Joaquin Torres. The U.S. Air Force lieutenant will almost certainly take the time to repair them, and may also revive the Falcon EXO suit’s accompanying drone, Redwing. In a strange twist of fate in the comics, Torres even has a psychic bond with Redwing—Sam’s actual living falcon—after his DNA is spliced with Redwing’s, transforming Torres into a mutated human-falcon hybrid in the process. But while Torres may take on Sam’s old mantle, Sam will likely still don a new set of wings, carrying his past as Falcon into whatever he decides he wants his Captain America to be.
It’s been a long journey for Sam since Steve Rogers first ran laps around him in Washington, D.C., during his debut in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. In The Falcon and the Winter Soldier season finale, Sam Wilson will begin to forge a new legacy.
What to Expect in the ‘Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ Finale
With many of the series’ main characters poised to meet in New York, the sixth episode should tie up many of the season’s loose ends
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'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' Star Danny Ramirez Reveals the BTS Joke That Didn't Make the Final Cut
BY LIZ SHANNON MILLERPUBLISHED 8 HOURS AGO
"It was a lot of like, okay, within the rules of play, play."
As we've previously learned, one fun aspect of production on the latest Marvel cinematic adventure, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, was that many scenes featured a lot of improv. And while this was led by stars Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie, whose previously established chemistry in Captain America: Civil War was a major factor in the Disney+ series' creation, other cast members were also able to play around with the material on set.
This included Danny Ramirez, who plays Joaquin Torres, the extremely helpful officer who becomes deeply involved in Sam Wilson (Mackie) and Bucky Barnes' (Stan) quest to take down the terrorist group known as the Flag-Smashers. As Ramirez explains, that opened things up for him to try some of his own jokes — below, he details how that process was made possible and what he was told about his character in relation to his comic book backstory.
Collider: So I know you can't tell me anything that happens in the finale, but I am curious, what are things that you know that you filmed for previous episodes that you wish had made the cut?
DANNY RAMIREZ: There's not much that didn't make the cut, but there's a really funny moment in that last episode... I could see why they had to cut it based on, I think maybe licensing, who's to say. But it's this little ad-lib about how "I wish we were all more like the boy band BTS." Because I was like, I thought we could be more like RM. And so it was a fun little thing and there was a little dance that went with it. So yeah, that was a little bit of something where that would have been cool. But [the scene] was more about the dynamic between us and it still got to be a moment between me and Sam, which was the most important.
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In general, it sounds like this show had a pretty loose feel, in terms of improv and so forth.
RAMIREZ: A little bit of it. It was really how everyone interpreted the scenes and then Kari [Skogland] trusted us a lot in knowing our characters and who they were and what they wanted. It was a lot of like, okay, within the rules of play, play. And I think you could see that, and it's refreshing and there's so much dynamic storytelling in it. With such phenomenal actors, like I think that Sebastian and Anthony are, it allowed for that to be a way in.
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Absolutely. Your character of course has a comic book history to him, like so many of the other characters in the show. How much of that were you aware of before you took the role, and how much of it do you hope maybe you get to play in the future?
RAMIREZ: Well, I was told early on that [the character] was an inspiration for the role, not necessarily the role itself. The comics and MCU are... There's a slight deviation. But I did read them as I was being considered for the role just to know what was that magic within the character. He's such an exciting and fun character in the comics. And that's what I tried to bring across — like, he's a little bit more of a ladies' man in the comics. There are just funny little character traits, and I'm like, oh, that'd be fun to play with in an interesting way.
So yeah, if he turns out to be more like something in the comics, that'd be fun to play with. But I know as much as you. I still have yet to see the season finale. We'll find out together.
The season finale of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier premieres Friday, April 23 on Disney+
BY LIZ SHANNON MILLERPUBLISHED 8 HOURS AGO
"It was a lot of like, okay, within the rules of play, play."
As we've previously learned, one fun aspect of production on the latest Marvel cinematic adventure, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, was that many scenes featured a lot of improv. And while this was led by stars Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie, whose previously established chemistry in Captain America: Civil War was a major factor in the Disney+ series' creation, other cast members were also able to play around with the material on set.
This included Danny Ramirez, who plays Joaquin Torres, the extremely helpful officer who becomes deeply involved in Sam Wilson (Mackie) and Bucky Barnes' (Stan) quest to take down the terrorist group known as the Flag-Smashers. As Ramirez explains, that opened things up for him to try some of his own jokes — below, he details how that process was made possible and what he was told about his character in relation to his comic book backstory.
Collider: So I know you can't tell me anything that happens in the finale, but I am curious, what are things that you know that you filmed for previous episodes that you wish had made the cut?
DANNY RAMIREZ: There's not much that didn't make the cut, but there's a really funny moment in that last episode... I could see why they had to cut it based on, I think maybe licensing, who's to say. But it's this little ad-lib about how "I wish we were all more like the boy band BTS." Because I was like, I thought we could be more like RM. And so it was a fun little thing and there was a little dance that went with it. So yeah, that was a little bit of something where that would have been cool. But [the scene] was more about the dynamic between us and it still got to be a moment between me and Sam, which was the most important.
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In general, it sounds like this show had a pretty loose feel, in terms of improv and so forth.
RAMIREZ: A little bit of it. It was really how everyone interpreted the scenes and then Kari [Skogland] trusted us a lot in knowing our characters and who they were and what they wanted. It was a lot of like, okay, within the rules of play, play. And I think you could see that, and it's refreshing and there's so much dynamic storytelling in it. With such phenomenal actors, like I think that Sebastian and Anthony are, it allowed for that to be a way in.
Image via Disney+
Absolutely. Your character of course has a comic book history to him, like so many of the other characters in the show. How much of that were you aware of before you took the role, and how much of it do you hope maybe you get to play in the future?
RAMIREZ: Well, I was told early on that [the character] was an inspiration for the role, not necessarily the role itself. The comics and MCU are... There's a slight deviation. But I did read them as I was being considered for the role just to know what was that magic within the character. He's such an exciting and fun character in the comics. And that's what I tried to bring across — like, he's a little bit more of a ladies' man in the comics. There are just funny little character traits, and I'm like, oh, that'd be fun to play with in an interesting way.
So yeah, if he turns out to be more like something in the comics, that'd be fun to play with. But I know as much as you. I still have yet to see the season finale. We'll find out together.
The season finale of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier premieres Friday, April 23 on Disney+
FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER REVEALS A MISSING SCENE FROM AVENGERS: ENDGAME
Marvel fans have been debating this detail since 2019. We finally have an answer.
JAKE KLEINMAN
4.16.2021 9:54 AM
IT WAS ONE of the most beautiful moments of Avengers: Endgame. After traveling into the past (and staying there), Captain America shows up in the present as an old man to say goodbye to his friend. But when a digitally wrinkled Steve Rogers arrives, he only talks to Sam Wilson, not his lifelong best friend Bucky Barnes. Honestly, it seemed kind of rude.
At the time, fans wondered if Steve and Bucky had a heart-to-heart moment offscreen during Avengers: Endgame, possibly before Cap went back in time. But Marvel never provided an answer. Until now.
Thanks to The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5, we finally got some closure on that missing Endgame scene. (Warning, light spoilers ahead for the most recent episode of TFATWS.)
HOW FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER CHANGES ENDGAME’S ENDING
Old man Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson in Avengers: Endgame.Marvel
After Sam and Bucky confront John Walker and take away the shield, the duo ultimately winds up in Louisiana with Sam’s sister and her kids. There, our heroes have the heart-to-heart conversation we’ve been waiting for since Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 1 while taking a break from shield throwing practice.
Here’s a key part of their conversation:
Of course, this raises a whole other question: what else did Steve and Bucky talk about? Their conversation must have happened before Captain America went back in time. Did Steve offer to take Bucky back with him? Did Bucky say no? If there was ever a time for a flashback scene, it's now, but considering Chris Evans’ graceful exit from the MCU, this little exchange between the Falcon and the Winter Soldier will have to do for now.
CAPTAIN AMERICA AND BLACK AMERICA
Sam and Bucky in Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5.Marvel
Another question Falcon and the Winter Soldier has been circling since Episode 1 also comes up in this same conversation: Can America accept a Black Captain America?
Sam’s conversation with Isaiah Bradley earlier in this same episode seems to suggest the answer is no, but the Falcon clearly isn’t going down without a fight. Meanwhile, Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes both grew up in a different America, one that was just as racist (if not more so) but also one where that racism wasn’t something white men had to think about very often.
For Steve and Bucky, giving Sam the shield likely had nothing to do with race. They weren’t trying to make a statement. They just thought he was the right man for the job.
It took five episodes of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but Bucky finally understands the tremendous weight he’s put on Sam. His heartfelt apology speaks volumes. Now, all the Winter Soldier can do is be a good ally, and maybe also a friend.
Marvel fans have been debating this detail since 2019. We finally have an answer.
JAKE KLEINMAN
4.16.2021 9:54 AM
IT WAS ONE of the most beautiful moments of Avengers: Endgame. After traveling into the past (and staying there), Captain America shows up in the present as an old man to say goodbye to his friend. But when a digitally wrinkled Steve Rogers arrives, he only talks to Sam Wilson, not his lifelong best friend Bucky Barnes. Honestly, it seemed kind of rude.
At the time, fans wondered if Steve and Bucky had a heart-to-heart moment offscreen during Avengers: Endgame, possibly before Cap went back in time. But Marvel never provided an answer. Until now.
Thanks to The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5, we finally got some closure on that missing Endgame scene. (Warning, light spoilers ahead for the most recent episode of TFATWS.)
HOW FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER CHANGES ENDGAME’S ENDING
Old man Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson in Avengers: Endgame.Marvel
After Sam and Bucky confront John Walker and take away the shield, the duo ultimately winds up in Louisiana with Sam’s sister and her kids. There, our heroes have the heart-to-heart conversation we’ve been waiting for since Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 1 while taking a break from shield throwing practice.
Here’s a key part of their conversation:
There’s so much packed into these four little lines that it’s tough to know where to start, but let’s focus on how this changes Avengers: Endgame. In short, it means that before Captain America gave Sam the shield, he planned the entire thing with Bucky. This explains not only why Steve and Bucky didn’t interact during that final scene, but also why Bucky seems fine with the fact that he wasn’t chosen to be the new Captain America.
Of course, this raises a whole other question: what else did Steve and Bucky talk about? Their conversation must have happened before Captain America went back in time. Did Steve offer to take Bucky back with him? Did Bucky say no? If there was ever a time for a flashback scene, it's now, but considering Chris Evans’ graceful exit from the MCU, this little exchange between the Falcon and the Winter Soldier will have to do for now.
CAPTAIN AMERICA AND BLACK AMERICA
Sam and Bucky in Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5.Marvel
Another question Falcon and the Winter Soldier has been circling since Episode 1 also comes up in this same conversation: Can America accept a Black Captain America?
Sam’s conversation with Isaiah Bradley earlier in this same episode seems to suggest the answer is no, but the Falcon clearly isn’t going down without a fight. Meanwhile, Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes both grew up in a different America, one that was just as racist (if not more so) but also one where that racism wasn’t something white men had to think about very often.
For Steve and Bucky, giving Sam the shield likely had nothing to do with race. They weren’t trying to make a statement. They just thought he was the right man for the job.
It took five episodes of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but Bucky finally understands the tremendous weight he’s put on Sam. His heartfelt apology speaks volumes. Now, all the Winter Soldier can do is be a good ally, and maybe also a friend.
WHAT FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER GETS RIGHT
The Flag-Smashers in Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5.Marvel
When it comes to its villains, Falcon and the Winter Soldier gets a lot wrong. Baron Zemo is fun, but if you think about it too hard, we’ve basically been watching a mass-murdering war criminal make clever jokes and cut it up on the Madripoor dance floor. The Flag-Smashers are even worse, serving as a completely shallow villain that also manages to play into Marvel’s worst tendencies. But buried somewhere deep in the Flag-Smashers is an interesting idea.
We’re supposed to think the ending of Avengers: Endgame is a happy one. Despite a few major deaths, billions of people are brought back to life. On the surface, that’s a good thing, but in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, we see the dark side of that story.
The Flag-Smashers in an early episode.Marvel
Five years is a long time to wait. In the gap between Infinity War and the end of Endgame, people moved on. Entire nations moved on. With a dramatically lowered population, borders were loosened to allow easy travel. Nationalism and xenophobia fell by the wayside to keep the economy from collapsing.
This alone is a fascinating idea that we’ll probably never really see explored onscreen in the MCU. But what happens next is even more interesting. With the Blip undone, the billions of people who turned to dust return, and nationalism returns with them. The chaos starts to subside, but not everyone is happy about it.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is doing something that feels unprecedented, at least for a big-budget superhero story. It’s exploring the socio-economic ramifications of a story like Avengers: Endgame. Even if the Flag-Smashers turn out to be basic bad guys in the end, it’s impressive that the series even tried.
FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER VS. WANDAVISION
Elizabeth Olsen in WandaVision.Marvel
WandaVision was never going to be that type of show for multiple reasons. For one thing, it’s set just a few weeks after Endgame. The wounds of that movie are still fresh. It takes six months after the Blip for groups like the Flag-Smashers to start gaining momentum in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
WandaVision was also a more personal show, focused entirely on the emotions of its characters. And it was a localized show, set almost exclusively in one New Jersey town. Sure, the town appears to be struggling economically, but we have no idea if that has anything to do with Thanos or if it’s just classic American decline.
Instead of exploring the broader ripples of Endgame, WandaVision focused on the immediate impact. Sometimes that was powerful (like Wanda dealing with the grief of losing Vision), but a lot of the time it was pretty silly. (Kat Dennings and Randall Park arguing over which members of the Avengers fought best against Thanos in the final showdown is fun fan service, but it’s not very deep.)
Kat Dennings and Randall Park.Marvel
WandaVision was never going to offer a macro perspective on life after Endgame, and that’s fine. But in the context of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, what the earlier show was able to do looks shallow by comparison.
The simple idea that some people preferred life during the Blip alone is fascinating. Expanding outwards to understand why that might be is even more interesting. And while Falcon and the Winter Soldier probably won’t offer any actual answers in Episode 6, the fact that it’s even asking these questions in the first place reveals just how different these two shows really are.
The Flag-Smashers in Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5.Marvel
When it comes to its villains, Falcon and the Winter Soldier gets a lot wrong. Baron Zemo is fun, but if you think about it too hard, we’ve basically been watching a mass-murdering war criminal make clever jokes and cut it up on the Madripoor dance floor. The Flag-Smashers are even worse, serving as a completely shallow villain that also manages to play into Marvel’s worst tendencies. But buried somewhere deep in the Flag-Smashers is an interesting idea.
We’re supposed to think the ending of Avengers: Endgame is a happy one. Despite a few major deaths, billions of people are brought back to life. On the surface, that’s a good thing, but in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, we see the dark side of that story.
The Flag-Smashers in an early episode.Marvel
Five years is a long time to wait. In the gap between Infinity War and the end of Endgame, people moved on. Entire nations moved on. With a dramatically lowered population, borders were loosened to allow easy travel. Nationalism and xenophobia fell by the wayside to keep the economy from collapsing.
This alone is a fascinating idea that we’ll probably never really see explored onscreen in the MCU. But what happens next is even more interesting. With the Blip undone, the billions of people who turned to dust return, and nationalism returns with them. The chaos starts to subside, but not everyone is happy about it.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is doing something that feels unprecedented, at least for a big-budget superhero story. It’s exploring the socio-economic ramifications of a story like Avengers: Endgame. Even if the Flag-Smashers turn out to be basic bad guys in the end, it’s impressive that the series even tried.
FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER VS. WANDAVISION
Elizabeth Olsen in WandaVision.Marvel
WandaVision was never going to be that type of show for multiple reasons. For one thing, it’s set just a few weeks after Endgame. The wounds of that movie are still fresh. It takes six months after the Blip for groups like the Flag-Smashers to start gaining momentum in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
WandaVision was also a more personal show, focused entirely on the emotions of its characters. And it was a localized show, set almost exclusively in one New Jersey town. Sure, the town appears to be struggling economically, but we have no idea if that has anything to do with Thanos or if it’s just classic American decline.
Instead of exploring the broader ripples of Endgame, WandaVision focused on the immediate impact. Sometimes that was powerful (like Wanda dealing with the grief of losing Vision), but a lot of the time it was pretty silly. (Kat Dennings and Randall Park arguing over which members of the Avengers fought best against Thanos in the final showdown is fun fan service, but it’s not very deep.)
Kat Dennings and Randall Park.Marvel
WandaVision was never going to offer a macro perspective on life after Endgame, and that’s fine. But in the context of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, what the earlier show was able to do looks shallow by comparison.
The simple idea that some people preferred life during the Blip alone is fascinating. Expanding outwards to understand why that might be is even more interesting. And while Falcon and the Winter Soldier probably won’t offer any actual answers in Episode 6, the fact that it’s even asking these questions in the first place reveals just how different these two shows really are.
Yeah this wild man
"She" is a gender-flipped character.
In Marvel comics, the character's name is Karl Morganthau. They changed it to Karli and now "she" is Flag Smasher.
what do you think FINALLY made him do this publicly like that?
Was it JUST cause the show is a hit?
Was ALL that planned?
Just watched the first Captain America and the Red Skull said he saw a vision of the future, a future with no flags. Marvel really ties everything together.
Us creators get very sensitive when we feel like someone took our idea or work and don't even acknowledge the rightful person. We work hard to write and create stuff and for someone to take it our completely phase us out without rightful credit sucks bro.
I UNDERSTAND
but this to me was DETAILED EMOTIONAL SPECIFIC VERBAL BEATDOWN
I support creators doing this from Superman creators, Finger, Chappelle etc
the list unfortunately is ENDLESS..
but man going at DISNEY?
right now?
It didn't SOUND planned to me...seems I'm in the minority on that
He DESERVES it
but YOU being someone who KNOWS this game from BOTH sides
how realistic is it that Disney calls him in and makes this right?
You were shocked HBO and Netflix worked it out with Chappelle correct?
Yup you're right that's why you have to learn how you pick your battles. You remember when I said Warner Bros stole my Matrix idea? I know if that new Matrix movie is based off of my script I would be pissed but to go to court with WB is not worth my time and money. Sometimes we just have to know when to fight or charge it to the game.
See thats the frustrating thing
Bill Finger DIED before he got credit and if it wasn't for a damn documentary, a whole bunch of comic nerds and a daughter who just happen to save EVERYTHING?
No recognition
If Dave had listened to ALL his industry friends and agent and manager?
who ALL told him NOT to do that special?
He wouldn't be getting right with HBO and Netflix now.
But we gotta understand there are probably HUNDREDS of OTHER creators who TRIED something similar?
And got CRUSHED.
Its messed up.
Yeah big Studios and Networks know they can screw people over and nothing will happen cause 1. They got legal teams up the ass and 2. Like the guys said they love fucking people over with no shame smh
Enfys nest solo a star wars story. I always knew.
I just started episode 2
I think Ed felt some kind of way about this from the jump and its not until he had this extended convo about it with Kevin Smith that he actually realized how much it bothered him. I think he was realizing it more and more, the more he spoke about it.
If I said "Hey, remember that writers' strike in Hollywood?" you would have to say "which one?"
Writers are the most necessary pieces in the Hollywood puzzle. Nothing gets done without the creators, yet they get some of the worst treatment of anyone in the machine. The guy in craft services who takes the lunch tickets gets better treatment than a writer. Its a guilt thing, too. They know they screw over writers, so they avoid contact with them outside of projects. Most execs in Hollywood have their heads up their own asses because they think that the golf game they had with another exec that got the deal done is the only thing that matters and they don't give a shit about the material; they just want the money to flow. So, in their minds, its "fuck the writers and creators - I did this!"
I agree that he should be compensated. The thing is, people get real funny when you start to talk about money. They all know that he is part of the reason there is anything there for them to do but nobody wants to come out of pocket to do anything about it becuase if they give it to him, they have to give it to all of the other writers they fuck over and that would start a chain reaction that would cause a restructuring of the business.
You in for one hell of a ride be sure to check in.
Damn.
I am on the road and won’t be home until the end of next week.
I will have to stay out of the thread and away from anything on the internet with spoilers on the finale.
I can’t watch this show on my phone or laptop. It will do it a disservice. This thing needs to be viewed on a Big, Flat Screen with me sitting on the couch, dead center with a cold beer and snacks.
See you you cats later.....
I will have to stay out of the thread and away from anything on the internet with spoilers on the finale.
I can’t watch this show on my phone or laptop. It will do it a disservice. This thing needs to be viewed on a Big, Flat Screen with me sitting on the couch, dead center with a cold beer and snacks.
See you you cats later.....
It would be great if they drop ep 6 at midnight....
A brother can wish cant he?
A brother can wish cant he?
No new ep tonight???
They come out at 3am ET.
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