I agree. Regardless, we need a list. I don't care if we got to bump that bitch monthly. I know SOME cats won't admit shit ain't getting done, but it will be nice to see the receipts in real fucking time.
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That can be done if people come out and support Black candidates that run for state and local elections and then support Black candidates that run for Federal elections and then make sure that we have enough of these people in place... So that there bills make it out of subcommittee and get support on the Floor...
Cause what we don't see
Is that ... for years we have tons of bills out there that are specifically designed to help us...
Shit has been going on FOREVER ....
H.R.40 - 110th Congress (2007-2008): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act
Summary of H.R.40 - 110th Congress (2007-2008): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act
www.congress.gov
But until we get more representation ... Nothing is going to matter. You need significant numbers to pass shit through subcommittee and then on the floor because Republicans aren't going to support this shit.
Statistically when we get in office... We are one of the most active voters but we don't have the numbers..
Black Political Representation: An Examination of Legislative Activity within U. S. House Committees on JSTOR
Katrina L. Gamble, Black Political Representation: An Examination of Legislative Activity within U. S. House Committees, Legislative Studies Quarterly, Vol. 32, No. 3 (Aug., 2007), pp. 421-447
www.jstor.org
This is why I fucking laugh at all of this gawd damn nonsense about Democratic plantation blah blah blah shit....
The republicans are never going to vote on our shit... Yet as long as we have the electoral college and rural counties ... they will ALWAYS be a problem.
For the Democrats to have a legit chance to evoke real fucking change... They have to have significant numbers. Numbers so strong that we can take the hit in two years during the next election when Dems get push back from Repubs who want to come in and change shit.
Whats the fucking point of Biden and the dems ...coming in and making Sweeping changes when in the next two years... Dems slack off and let repubs come in and change shit..
First we need a full democratic super majority with Democratic governors...
Then we use that remove the electoral college from the constitution.. (This would severally hurt the republican party and would force them to make significant changes if they want a seat at the large table again)
Then we legalize marijuana and remove mandatory minimum sentencing ...
Then we give incentives to states to follow the federal lead with weed and mandatory minimums
Then we give incentives to states to make it easier for felons to vote and provide programs to help them get jobs ... (the cycle is what's killing us)
Then we work on a realistic path to remove student loan debt ...
These are the things that need immediate implementation ....
But the most important part is that we have to VOTE in numbers every two years.... Every election is the most important election.
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Obamacare helped the black community
Black unemployment was falling steadily under his two terms and continued so much that trump takes credit for it.
Filed lawsuits to block controversial, GOP-backed voting laws,
Reducing the disparity in prison sentences between crack and powder cocaine users,
Defended affirmation action,
Demanded police departments like the one in Ferguson change their practices,
Took steps to shut down for-profit colleges that often prey on minority students. (like trump university for instance)
As for Biden
he was vice president to the first black man elected president
he has a black woman as his vice presidential candidate
he's malleable to the left and progressive side of social and political issues (more so that trump)
he's apologized for the fucked up shit he's said or done
he's a moderate democrat and has a history of working across the aisle very effectively...he was actually better at it than Obama and much of the task of coalition building was done by him during the Obama years.
Even tho Joe is an old white man who benefitted from white supremacy he's willing to recognize and make recompense (at least up to a point) for that.
Joe Biden said at a CNN town hall on Thursday that he has benefitted from white privilege "just because I don't have to go through what my Black brothers and sisters have had to go through."
When asked by Bob Woodward if he had "any sense" that white or financial privilege had isolated him from understanding the perspective of Black Americans, President Trump reportedly said: "No. You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn’t you? Just listen to you. Wow. No, I don’t feel that at all."
now will you answer the questions about trump??
why wasn't on the board for trump the last 3 years??
More importantly democratic legislators because that is who will be needed to vote to change from the electoral college to the popular vote.That can be done if people come out and support Black candidates that run for state and local elections and then support Black candidates that run for Federal elections and then make sure that we have enough of these people in place... So that there bills make it out of subcommittee and get support on the Floor...
Cause what don't see
Is that ... for years we have tons of bills out there that are specifically designed to help us...
Shit has been going on FOREVER ....
H.R.40 - 110th Congress (2007-2008): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act
Summary of H.R.40 - 110th Congress (2007-2008): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Actwww.congress.gov
But until we get more representation ... Nothing is going to matter and you need significant numbers to pass shit through subcommittee and then on the floor because Republicans aren't going to support this shit.
Statistically when we get in office... We are one of the most active voters but we don't have the numbers..
Black Political Representation: An Examination of Legislative Activity within U. S. House Committees on JSTOR
Katrina L. Gamble, Black Political Representation: An Examination of Legislative Activity within U. S. House Committees, Legislative Studies Quarterly, Vol. 32, No. 3 (Aug., 2007), pp. 421-447
This is why I fucking laugh at all of this gawd damn nonsense about Democratic plantation blah blah blah shit....
The republicans are never going to vote on our shit... Yet as long as we have the electoral college and rural counties ... they will ALWAYS be a problem.
For the Democrats to have a legit chance to evoke real fucking change... They have to have significant numbers. Numbers so strong that we can take the hit in two years during the next election when Dems get push back from Repubs who want to come in and change shit.
Whats the fucking point of Biden and the dems ...coming in and making Sweeping changes when in the next two years... Dems slack off and let repubs come in and change shit..
First we need a full democratic super majority with Democratic governors...
Then we use that remove the electoral college from the constitution.. (This would severally hurt the republican party and would force them to make significant changes if they want a seat at the large table again)
Then we legalize marijuana and remove mandatory minimum sentencing ...
Then we give incentives to states to follow the federal lead with weed and mandatory minimums
Then we give incentives to states to make it easier for felons to vote and provide programs to help them get jobs ... (the cycle is what's killing us)
Then we work on a realistic path to remove student loan debt ...
These are the things that need immediate implementation ....
But the most important part is that we have to VOTE in numbers every two years.... Every election is the most important election.
It far from dumb. You say both presidential candidates are racist but there are two choices and you have to choose one. Yet if you choose neither one, one candidate will still he president. The same way if choose not to vote in state and local elections. There will still be people who will be chosen and you have a chance to chose which one you best think you can work with. That's a fact of life, since there will never be a perfect candidate. Sometimes you hsve to choose between poison or fish with shit to survive and progress.
I understand though why you want to avoid answering the question because it would fuck up your whole narrative
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its not a dumb question its a life question because your GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH one or the other. The slaver or the abolitionist who belives slavery is wrong BUT your not like them either. It was a real choice your great great grandfather had to make.
And your sitting here today in a society that's STILL white supremacist based dealing with shit that you find objectionable and your saying you don't have to make that choice. But the question is BASED ON WHAT???
What's your alternative to trump and biden in the here and now? Whoever wins means YOU have to deal with the world and society they shape...so would you rather deal with?
He knows what he doing. He's been taking that shit and my question puts him in a dilemma. So he'd rather shit on the question and avoid answering.
they all do that...I'm STILL waiting for @VAiz4hustlaz and @Entrepronegro @KingTaharqa and @xfactor to answer my question on how ADOS intends to deal with a trump 2nd term.... they never do
its just trolling for trolling sake.
Fam people don't get it and thats the problem..... People act like they know how this game has to be played
but they are out here trying to fucking play HALO with an Atari 2600 joystick
Niggas are like...
I want all these changes .... and then what..
How are you going to get these changes?
Are niggas in Wisconsin going to get the same type of changes that a Nigga in New York going to get .... and that answer is FUCK NO.
Until you get to a point where... Votes really matter and that's going to require removing the Electoral College
Neither side is going to do shit for us...... That's just a fact. Neither side can realistically afford to cater completely to our side..
Again...
That's a fact .. You can't anger swing voters in a swing state if you need electors to win an election . ....
Again ...
FACT
..... So to change the game... You first need to rewrite the game
and that requires ..
Making our vote count on the Federal, State, and Local level ... equally
and the only way to do that..
Is removing the Electoral College
and the only way to do that
Is to have complete control over the Executive and Legislative Branch and enough Democratic state legislators to push support statewide to amend the constitution .
Everything else...
In all honesty and with all due respect
Is fucking Stupid ......
Shit like...
"I'm not voting for this guy because he doesn't have Black policies on his agenda" -- well that fine ... Let the republicans win and don't say shit about the Democrats being weak cause you let that shit happen
"What is he going to do for us?" -- again that's fine ... I get it
But as the president ... What can he do ... especially now that the Supreme court is a 6-3 majority ....
If the Dems don't maintain the house and the senate ... what can they do and what can they do that won't be overturned during the next term if Repubs take power...
Shit isn't rocket science .... but fuckers are trying to make this hard by looking at the wrong thing.
I'm so sick making these same gawd damn arguments ....
Just use FUCKING LOGIC ..
Look at this white demographic shit from 2016
Trump Is President Because White People’s Votes Count More in America - Washingtonian
By any normal, democratic measure, Hillary Clinton should be the next president of the United States. She didn't just win the election by a little, she won it by more than 2.5 million votes (and her vote total is still rising). That's not even a close contest. If winning an election by millions...
www.washingtonian.com
FACTS...
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I feel these sistas 100%.
I don't understand this pressure to vote for Biden. This CAC calls the Crime Bill he supported a "mistake" but hasn't presented anything to rectify it. He hasn't made a solid stand on Recessions but still feels entitled to our support because he is "not Trump". This CAC told us that we "aren't black unless we vote for him but haven't EARNED it.
Unfortunately, the majority of my brothers and sisters have so low expectations, that they feel he doesn't HAVE to EARN our vote.
We have voted for the "least evil" for generations. NO other political group does this. Ice Cube challenges him to a solid plan for US, and we call him a coon for it.
The Truth is that Trump hasn't done anything more damaging to Black folks as that Crime Bill.
I don't understand this pressure to vote for Biden. This CAC calls the Crime Bill he supported a "mistake" but hasn't presented anything to rectify it. He hasn't made a solid stand on Recessions but still feels entitled to our support because he is "not Trump". This CAC told us that we "aren't black unless we vote for him but haven't EARNED it.
Unfortunately, the majority of my brothers and sisters have so low expectations, that they feel he doesn't HAVE to EARN our vote.
We have voted for the "least evil" for generations. NO other political group does this. Ice Cube challenges him to a solid plan for US, and we call him a coon for it.
The Truth is that Trump hasn't done anything more damaging to Black folks as that Crime Bill.
Its going to require Democrats on every level fam
This is what it takes to amend the constitution
Article V of the United States Constitution outlines basic procedures for constitutional amendment.
1. Congress may submit a proposed constitutional amendment to the states, if the proposed amendment language is approved by a two-thirds vote of both houses.
2. Congress must call a convention for proposing amendments upon application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the states (i.e., 34 of 50 states).
3.Amendments proposed by Congress or convention become valid only when ratified by the legislatures of, or conventions in, three-fourths of the states (i.e., 38 of 50 states).
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You see what it has to take....
You need Democrats on every fucking level to do this... because Republicans aren't voting for this shit. Back in the day... they were all for removing the electoral college, but they know now that when it goes... It's a wrap for them politically.
They would still win some states, but they would never win the popular vote and without the Executive branch they wouldn't be able to push a meaningful agenda.. they would have to adapt who they are and seek to gain members outside of their hardcore base. They would basically have to become Jeffersonian Republicans.
I understand what's needed but I was pointing out that the govenors are less important than the legislators in changing the constitution.
you think 4 more years of this will be better? did the brutality cases that ignited the riots of the summer happen under biden or trump?
It does matter because Feds set the stages for local and state; so it plays a part; to say it dont change shit is ignorant and flat out ridiculous...
add in:
Antifa: Trump says group will be designated 'terrorist organisation'
The US president blames the anti-fascist group for fomenting violent unrest at George Floyd protests.
www.bbc.com
The FBI is using its ‘Black Identity Extremist’ report to crack down on activists
Federal law enforcement has long utilized discriminatory policies to suppress Black activists.
archive.thinkprogress.org
but but bidenadd in:
Antifa: Trump says group will be designated 'terrorist organisation'
The US president blames the anti-fascist group for fomenting violent unrest at George Floyd protests.
The FBI is using its ‘Black Identity Extremist’ report to crack down on activists
Federal law enforcement has long utilized discriminatory policies to suppress Black activists.
Come on fam .... it took like 2 seconds for me to find two stories about how he want to fix this. He even said it clearly during the debate.
Joe Biden's Criminal Justice Policy | Joe Biden
Joe Biden's bold criminal justice policy will strengthen America's commitment to justice and reform our broken criminal justice system.
joebiden.com
He dropped a policy last year...
Joe Biden’s criminal justice reform plan, explained
Joe Biden’s new criminal justice reform plan reverses some of the policies he helped make law.
www.vox.com
In fact his proposal .... focusing on fixing the real issue by dealing with the states is like the only way to really fix this.
There is one point to his crime bill that I think is one of the most important in my view
- Create a new $20 billion competitive grant program to spur states to shift from incarceration to prevention. To accelerate criminal justice reform at the state and local levels, Biden will create a new grant program inspired by a proposal by the Brennan Center. States, counties, and cities will receive funding to invest in efforts proven to reduce crime and incarceration, including efforts to address some of the factors like illiteracy and child abuse that are correlated with incarceration. In order to receive this funding, states will have to eliminate mandatory minimums for non-violent crimes, institute earned credit programs, and take other steps to reduce incarceration rates without impacting public safety.
Also ... Kats forgot that a lot of black people supported that same crime bill when it dropped in 1994 .....
Also to think Trump hasn't done anything more damaging to Black folks as that Crime Bill is the dumbest fucking shit.. Just look at what we have been dealing with for the last 4 years.
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But...but....the crime bill.
These folks are just as foolish as Trump supporters who will cut off their nose to spite their face.
All they want to do is hope dems lose so that they can say dumb shot like see..they "didn't listen to black people, etc.... but the republicans have listen to you and will not listen to you going forward.
We've seen and continue to see what republicans do when they get what they perceive as a mandate to do what the fuck they want to do and it been advantage black people.
Republicans have been in control almost my entire life and I'm 41... In 41 years... I've seen two democratic presidents... 16 years total. Dems only controlled the house and senate a grand total of 4 years in those 16 years. That means there has been 25 (FUCKING YEARS) of Republican control over the presidency and a WHOPPING 37 years over controlling either both or at least one of the Chambers of Congress.
Yet Somehow
Somehow..
It's the Democrats fault .....
Niggas want to play the game without having the proper tools to make shit work..
I'm talking from their perspective man. You can't tell a person who is doing the same as they were in 2005, 2010, 2015, and 2020 that shit is going to change for them because of a politician. Just like you can go out and buy a new foreign car no problem in 2021 regardless of who wins nov 3, they going to be doing their same ol same ol regardless.
On a personal level, their lives haven't changed much. That's how they feel. It may be ignorant, but people tend to only care about their immediate reality.
They probably fucking up their own life at an exponential rate so maybe it does seem that way. Of course, we have a Pandemic killing folks and one guy is lying about it and did nothing to stop it. Just on that alone if you can't make up your mind you're a Fucking Fool.
still waiting for that response
It's never going to happen and if it does... there's going to be a But in it somewhere.
It will be bumped, daily.
What question did I not answer?they all do that...I'm STILL waiting for @VAiz4hustlaz and @Entrepronegro @KingTaharqa and @xfactor to answer my question on how ADOS intends to deal with a trump 2nd term.... they never do
i already stated the solution multiple times.nothing will be different for the so-called black community 2020-2024 under Trump or Biden except one thing - Biden will save all fake minority groups whereas trump will provide equal apathy. What group has proven to be the most resilient in the history of modern civilization?
oh you mean this...What question did I not answer?
nothing will be different for the so-called black community 2020-2024 under Trump or Biden except one thing - Biden will save all fake minority groups whereas trump will provide equal apathy. What group has proven to be the most resilient in the history of modern civilization?
This is FANTASY and not feasible in any foreseeable future or dimension. There are NO credible politicians (even radical ones) who would endorse all of it even if they liked parts of it and you would need all of it to do what your talking about. So as of today in 2020, your plan is officially BULLSHIT! Does anyone else here co-sign this???
this is what I'm talking about this is nonsense and not serious because it doesn't take into account the world we live in.
SO AGAIN WHAT REALISTIC ALTERNATIVE DO YOU HAVE OTHER THAN BIDEN OR TRUMP? OR ARE YOU SAYING BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD WITHHOLD THEIR VOTE UNTIL YOUR FANTASY SOLUTION BECOMES REAL??
That can be done if people come out and support Black candidates that run for state and local elections and then support Black candidates that run for Federal elections and then make sure that we have enough of these people in place... So that there bills make it out of subcommittee and get support on the Floor...
Cause what don't see
Is that ... for years we have tons of bills out there that are specifically designed to help us...
Shit has been going on FOREVER ....
H.R.40 - 110th Congress (2007-2008): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act
Summary of H.R.40 - 110th Congress (2007-2008): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Actwww.congress.gov
But until we get more representation ... Nothing is going to matter and you need significant numbers to pass shit through subcommittee and then on the floor because Republicans aren't going to support this shit.
Statistically when we get in office... We are one of the most active voters but we don't have the numbers..
Black Political Representation: An Examination of Legislative Activity within U. S. House Committees on JSTOR
Katrina L. Gamble, Black Political Representation: An Examination of Legislative Activity within U. S. House Committees, Legislative Studies Quarterly, Vol. 32, No. 3 (Aug., 2007), pp. 421-447
This is why I fucking laugh at all of this gawd damn nonsense about Democratic plantation blah blah blah shit....
The republicans are never going to vote on our shit... Yet as long as we have the electoral college and rural counties ... they will ALWAYS be a problem.
For the Democrats to have a legit chance to evoke real fucking change... They have to have significant numbers. Numbers so strong that we can take the hit in two years during the next election when Dems get push back from Repubs who want to come in and change shit.
Whats the fucking point of Biden and the dems ...coming in and making Sweeping changes when in the next two years... Dems slack off and let repubs come in and change shit..
First we need a full democratic super majority with Democratic governors...
Then we use that remove the electoral college from the constitution.. (This would severally hurt the republican party and would force them to make significant changes if they want a seat at the large table again)
Then we legalize marijuana and remove mandatory minimum sentencing ...
Then we give incentives to states to follow the federal lead with weed and mandatory minimums
Then we give incentives to states to make it easier for felons to vote and provide programs to help them get jobs ... (the cycle is what's killing us)
Then we work on a realistic path to remove student loan debt ...
These are the things that need immediate implementation ....
But the most important part is that we have to VOTE in numbers every two years.... Every election is the most important election.
I feel ya....
Unbe-weavable...
I’m Dont mind them holding out till election day if it gets results
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