everyone gets underpaid in this business, infact u aint done nothing in this industry if u never been underpaid n cheated outta royalties, appearance fees, studio sessions, writing credits etc
YO! move over Katt.. Jaguar Wright is shooting shots at ERRYBODY...update: Beyonce is a witch fucking women around her! new interview last page
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all 3 of em neegz might be in here, u never really know who lurks here! forreal forreal if i named names and they in here they would know who i am , becos the fight with the bieber writer/producer was only a few of us in the B-room studio on 2nd floor when it went down! and thats as far as i can go 
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In one of the vids (she made several and I ain't watched all of them) she says Erykah wrote the song "Booty" about her. There is a line in the song that goes something like "Your booty may be bigger, but I still can pull yo nigga" and she says she didn't care that he started fucking Erykah. So yeah, she used to fuck Common. And also Black Thought, and possibly Talib as well.
She also says she was at one point dating Wu-tang associate 60 Second Assassin when she was 19 and he was in his 40s. She says she did it because she needed a boyfriend in the crew so the mofos she was touring with wouldn't rape her. She also says at one point she had 4 simultaneous boyfriends, and a bitch too (her words). So she can fuck whoever she wants apparently, but has an issue with the other guys fucking groupies
I'm not talking about the rape accusation part. That's obviously foul no matter what.
It reminds me of the situation with Martha Wash. She wasn’t getting the love that she deserved for her singing until she lip synced for those dance groups back in the 90s. It was crazy that she several No. 1 song for several groups.
Wouldn’t be the first rapper. You have to remember Mystikal face fucking that chick who stole money from him and ending up doing a 7 year bid for that.Might want to pick that album back. That shit is amazing and has aged extremely well, imo.
Man y'all didnt like Game Theory, Rising Down, How I Got Over, hell not even the Undun. The Undun is a movie in reverse, like "Memento", that shit is genius.
I agree when Hubbard left (BIG LOSS) they went more punk- hip hop, versus neo-soul..
I think Tarik, post 2010 turned into a super emcee, just masterful wordplay, and breath control, style after style.
I do hope the men involved at least get a chance to defend themselves, before running around calling Common a throat dick rapist
You can't teabag groupies or music whores. What's the use?
Neo soul didn't start with the roots crew or Badu.
People forget Joi.
Questlove always seemed phoney to me . He's like a wanna be Q-Tip.
Questlove tells stories like he played with John Coltrane and Miles.
He named himself after tribe called quest . He was never an extension of the native tongues.
People forget Joi.
Questlove always seemed phoney to me . He's like a wanna be Q-Tip.
Questlove tells stories like he played with John Coltrane and Miles.
He named himself after tribe called quest . He was never an extension of the native tongues.
True! People from Philly that knew Quest as a youngin say he was a straight L7.
I tried. I just couldn't get into it coming off of the previous albums. I can put the first albums on and just let them play and not skip shit.
Phrenology was just too up and down for me to enjoy it.
It's not like I don't like any of the tracks individually, I just couldn't get into the album's. Something was missing
My problem is that they established themselves with a cool jazzy sound and then wanted to switch it to some punk and hard rock shit. If I ordered coke and you give me dr. pepper it's gonna piss me off. I understand them trying to adapt and stay relevant, but right at the moment they should have doubled down on the vibe they had from Things Fall Apart, they totally switched it up and started doing rock. Quest said that they scored a hit with the Cody Chestnut song in Italy. That's nice and all but their base audience was lookin like....
Literally heard this same kind of story from a chick from Chicago. Verbatim...everything except the parties were in Chicago instead of NYC.
he used to come to "eclectic ride" at joe's pub ,we'd be backstage changing sets & here he come with forrest looking for hoes
I think she telling the truth as she see it...certainly don't think she lying but somebody else might view some of those situations differently...not talking about the explicit stuff like peeping Talib or assaulting Common (although if they were fucking, how big of a deal is that in reality?) etc but some of the other things....I listen to Questlove podcasts all the time and he seems cool to me....dont know that man personally so certainly can't speak to some shit...notice some people calling Questlove L7, lame, square etc....based on his podcasts that man never said he wasnt....he openly calls himself a nerd so I am not sure what the big deal is where thats concerned
Some of the Roots stories like dude having to sue them do sound fucked up as shit but I am on the outside looking in
Some of the Roots stories like dude having to sue them do sound fucked up as shit but I am on the outside looking in
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True story. I met Common in NYC right after the Electric Circus album. Had a chance to get backstage and meet the dude. Really nice cat. I had my Like Water for Chocolate and my Electric Circus CD. He signed them both but when I told that I enjoyed the Circus joint, he shrugged it off! (LOL)
Lotta hate in this thread
After watching all videos posted I've come to the conclusion that, IMO, there's definitely some truth to what she's saying but there seems to be more bitterness and narcissism in her story than facts.
According to her she was the inspiration for all these other acts and everyone from The Roots, Jill Scott, John Legend, Erykah Badu, Truth Hurts, etc. stole from or were inspired by her in some form or another.
She seems to view her participation in Jay-Z's unplugged as more of a favor to The Roots as opposed to a look out from them. She even asks in one video what it would have been without her?
She then continually airs how who Jill, Erykah, Black Thought, Common, etc. have fucked or who they are fucking.
She even suggests that The Roots deceased manager/producer Richard Nichols (in the last video I believe) was practicing some type of black magic shit which is why she quit fucking with him.
She admits they showed up for Malik's viewing but shits on them for not staying for the funeral (which a lot of people including me do.)
She continually mentions Malik B as the reason she's calling them out but instead is only talking about who she and they are fucking while also speaking to her greatness which she feels that all feared her for and cites as the reason they have killed her career.
Again I don't doubt that there is some truth to what she's saying but if you didn't know anything about her you'd swear you were listening to someone as influential as Diana Ross or Aretha Franklin
According to her she was the inspiration for all these other acts and everyone from The Roots, Jill Scott, John Legend, Erykah Badu, Truth Hurts, etc. stole from or were inspired by her in some form or another.
She seems to view her participation in Jay-Z's unplugged as more of a favor to The Roots as opposed to a look out from them. She even asks in one video what it would have been without her?
She then continually airs how who Jill, Erykah, Black Thought, Common, etc. have fucked or who they are fucking.
She even suggests that The Roots deceased manager/producer Richard Nichols (in the last video I believe) was practicing some type of black magic shit which is why she quit fucking with him.
She admits they showed up for Malik's viewing but shits on them for not staying for the funeral (which a lot of people including me do.)
She continually mentions Malik B as the reason she's calling them out but instead is only talking about who she and they are fucking while also speaking to her greatness which she feels that all feared her for and cites as the reason they have killed her career.
Again I don't doubt that there is some truth to what she's saying but if you didn't know anything about her you'd swear you were listening to someone as influential as Diana Ross or Aretha Franklin
Regarding conservative points of view, it depends on the topic. For example, is this forum liberal to gay/queer topics and/or images, even though it's "normal" in tv shows and movies? Comparing some porno watching and casual rotational fucking on a tour bus in the entertainment industry PALES in comparison to Jim Crow Laws, police brutality, and prison horrors (shank murders bleeding rapes, etc.). Lets not get silly.
She was in on the industry heists (foregoing other artists to work with the Roots collective, fucking married men, playing the pawn game, etc.), she just didn't like her cut. Happens often.
"And conservatives will tell you the issues that BLM talks about is often over exaggerated."
That's simply a white racist POV. Self-described white liberals believe the same thing and often subscribe to the notion, "I know what's best for those 'blacks'. Do you think every Karen is a "conservative" because she doesn't like non-whites in her space?
Nah. His name early on was Brother Question, but he spelled it "Brother ?" and he says interviewers couldn't get the name right. He changed it to Questlove as a tribute to old school hip-hoppers who always included either "love" "rock" or "ski" in their names. Questlove definitely sounds better than Questski LOL.
Totally disagree about him being a wanna be Q-tip. Doesn't even make sense as he's a drummer and not a rapper...
Yeah I don't get the Questlove thing. I don't ever remember him saying or representing himself as a player, thug, etc...
bingo !! lotta illusion of grandeur weaved into her circular storiesAfter watching all videos posted I've come to the conclusion that, IMO, there's definitely some truth to what she's saying but there seems to be more bitterness and narcissism in her story than facts.
According to her she was the inspiration for all these other acts and everyone from The Roots, Jill Scott, John Legend, Erykah Badu, Truth Hurts, etc. stole from or were inspired by her in some form or another.
She seems to view her participation in Jay-Z's unplugged as more of a favor to The Roots as opposed to a look out from them. She even asks in one video what it would have been without her?
She then continually airs how who Jill, Erykah, Black Thought, Common, etc. have fucked or who they are fucking.
She even suggests that The Roots deceased manager/producer Richard Nichols (in the last video I believe) was practicing some type of black magic shit which is why she quit fucking with him.
She admits they showed up for Malik's viewing but shits on them for not staying for the funeral (which a lot of people including me do.)
She continually mentions Malik B as the reason she's calling them out but instead is only talking about who she and they are fucking while also speaking to her greatness which she feels that all feared her for and cites as the reason they have killed her career.
Again I don't doubt that there is some truth to what she's saying but if you didn't know anything about her you'd swear you were listening to someone as influential as Diana Ross or Aretha Franklin
I'm not comparing anything...its not about who suffered more or whose issues are more real vs another... her specific issue with common is that he IN THAT MOMENT violated her. She didn't like it or want his dick in her face/mouth as she was sleeping. And you're saying what....she SHOULD BE okay with that because she fucked married men?? WTF does either one have to do with the other?Regarding conservative points of view, it depends on the topic. For example, is this forum liberal to gay/queer topics and/or images, even though it's "normal" in tv shows and movies? Comparing some porno watching and casual rotational fucking on a tour bus in the entertainment industry PALES in comparison to Jim Crow Laws, police brutality, and prison horrors (shank murders bleeding rapes, etc.). Lets not get silly.
She was in on the industry heists (foregoing other artists to work with the Roots collective, fucking married men, playing the pawn game, etc.), she just didn't like her cut. Happens often.
"And conservatives will tell you the issues that BLM talks about is often over exaggerated."
That's simply a white racist POV. Self-described white liberals believe the same thing and often subscribe to the notion, "I know what's best for those 'blacks'. Do you think every Karen is a "conservative" because she doesn't like non-whites in her space?
As far as foregoing other artists to work with the Roots collective she turned down Groove Theory in favor of the Roots. That was a straight-up choice.... she was asked and she said no thanks to dude's face...no chicanery...it wasn't like she said yes then never showed up.
Is Jaguar an angel...no..but she doesn't say she's an angel. She said she was a friend and ally to people who it turns out wasn't her friend. So since they AREN'T friends then there's no need to keep their secrets...
No doubt.
The funny thing is she shits on a lot of dudes she's mentioned for being hyper sexualized and doing too much fucking which she condemns.
Yet later shits on Questlove and describes him as "asexual" since she didn't see him fucking chicks like that and doesn't "know anyone who's seen his dick" while immediately after stating that she had to break up with two if his girlfriends for him since he was scared to do it himself
(meaning she knows of at least two chicks he's fucked)And she's stating this while also admitting to fucking Black Thought, Common, Talib (which she says happened during her marriage) and also having a period where she was simultaneously fucking at least 3-4 dudes and one chick.
But shits on Jill, Erykah and others for their promiscuity
Well she's telling her tale of bitterness over the years. Do her being bitter is a non factor.After watching all videos posted I've come to the conclusion that, IMO, there's definitely some truth to what she's saying but there seems to be more bitterness and narcissism in her story than facts.
According to her she was the inspiration for all these other acts and everyone from The Roots, Jill Scott, John Legend, Erykah Badu, Truth Hurts, etc. stole from or were inspired by her in some form or another.
She seems to view her participation in Jay-Z's unplugged as more of a favor to The Roots as opposed to a look out from them. She even asks in one video what it would have been without her?
She then continually airs how who Jill, Erykah, Black Thought, Common, etc. have fucked or who they are fucking.
She even suggests that The Roots deceased manager/producer Richard Nichols (in the last video I believe) was practicing some type of black magic shit which is why she quit fucking with him.
She admits they showed up for Malik's viewing but shits on them for not staying for the funeral (which a lot of people including me do.)
She continually mentions Malik B as the reason she's calling them out but instead is only talking about who she and they are fucking while also speaking to her greatness which she feels that all feared her for and cites as the reason they have killed her career.
Again I don't doubt that there is some truth to what she's saying but if you didn't know anything about her you'd swear you were listening to someone as influential as Diana Ross or Aretha Franklin
Whether shes telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth...who knows but are far as being influential as Diana Ross or Aretha Franklin. If shemaking that impression abouy being so behind the scenes. Well it's possible that she was to an extent.
My problem is that they established themselves with a cool jazzy sound and then wanted to switch it to some punk and hard rock shit. If I ordered coke and you give me dr. pepper it's gonna piss me off. I understand them trying to adapt and stay relevant, but right at the moment they should have doubled down on the vibe they had from Things Fall Apart, they totally switched it up and started doing rock. Quest said that they scored a hit with the Cody Chestnut song in Italy. That's nice and all but their base audience was lookin like....
That was me. Just didn't feel it. Listening to it now it's better than I remember, but at the time I wanted that feel good hip hop and it didn't deliver.
Naw..I don't ever remember Remy Shand being the face of Neo Soul. What I remember killing Neo Soul and conscious rap was the backpack label and how that became a negative. On top of that people were moving back towards the more raunchy music.
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So much truth my man so much truth
Sounds like every industry in America......
You seem just as bitter as she does, but you're supposed to be a man.
Yeah Im not impressed with dude. He comes off like a sucka but to other suckas they think he's cool. Let's not talk about that damn pick in his hair. Shit is way played out. CAC like Jimmy Fallon may be impressed but thats too be expected.
I think that the moment a style gets branded by the industry it essentially becomes a "gimmick" and no longer about the sound which results in it fazing out like any other fad.
Additionally I feel like the label and perceptions of what a Neo-soul artist is/should be ended up hurting a lot of artists who were branded as Neo-soul which prevent any artistic growth or change.
I don't doubt that she's talented and may have contributed on some level but in her version of events she is responsible for a lot of these artists success either directly or by them biting her style which I would describe as delusions of grandeur considering everyone she names has achieved far more than her whether she was present or not.
Neo-Soul got played out because it started getting corny and too self righteous. Couple that with sub par artists and labels jumping the wave and it was bound to fall.
It had a good run however. Most sub genres suffer the same fate.
i dont think Kedar made Remy Shand the face of neo-soul , i dont know anyone who thought that (that was kinda generally agreed it was the house that D'angelo built) but im sure u know that both he & Erykah & Joi & Roots & common etc all point at OMAR as a major sonic point !
i think the neo-soul movement died becos ppl were just scared of being POSITIVE ! couple with too many self -righteous posers
the mindset goes thru our communities too much at times
i cant think of anything else that makes sense,
its kinda like how kids in the hood will at times look at other kids who r studious and strive for academic excellence earlier on as nerds and are kinda shunned as nerds& geeks , or acting white etc , no different than when ppl now look at the word "HOTEP" as a kinda negative now whic shouldnt be the case cos it should indicate a person striving for some spiritual knowledge and height, its as if many ppl r afraid fo stepping into the light.
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