Breaking: Mueller Objects to Barr's Description of Russia Investigation's Findings

There isn't supposed to be privilege for publicly known information. If it's in the report and they didn't object to his disclosing of information to Mueller, they can't say it's privilege now. I don't think the SCOTUS would back that nonsense up.

I hope you're right. :cool:

On the face if it the ruling should easily come down against obstructing McGahn's testimony but this is why regulatory capture is so dangerous. Who cares about rules when your cronies can reinterpret, disregard or change them? Let's hope the rule if law wins out.
 

Unbelievable

"This is a transnational crime syndicate masquerading as a government." - Sarah Kendzior

If they aren't going to do their job and impeach, they are no different than Barr and the Republican Party


Fucking crazy :smh:

I meant to ask y'all earlier... whatever happened with subpeaoning the interpreters about those five closed door 1-on-1 meetings between Trump and Putin?
 
Trump is trying to bait the Dems to impeach him at this point so that..

A. The election will be over impeachment and not healthcare
B. The senate republicans can give him his 100% not guilty

If he was afraid of impeachment AT ALL there’s no way he would give the Congress a blanket “fuck off” to all of their subpoenas.
 
Fucking crazy :smh:

I meant to ask y'all earlier... whatever happened with subpeaoning the interpreters about those five closed door 1-on-1 meetings between Trump and Putin?

Trump has issued a blanket fuck off to every subpoena as stated in my earlier post. He’s not letting anyone in his administration obey them.
 
Dems need to understand as long as Republicans refuse to even consider removing Trump from office, the ONLY recourse they have is the ballot box in 2020. Impeachment is just to make dems feel better. It won’t accomplish anything. Hell, the head Republican on the judiciary committee said yesterday, if you want the full unredacted Mueller report, start impeachment proceedings if you have the guts to do it.

Does that sound like a party that is worried or afraid of impeachment at all?
 

Unbelievable

"This is a transnational crime syndicate masquerading as a government." - Sarah Kendzior

If they aren't going to do their job and impeach, they are no different than Barr and the Republican Party


:smh:

Trump is done hiding too. Why hide if nothing ever happens?
 
Dems need to understand as long as Republicans refuse to even consider removing Trump from office, the ONLY recourse they have is the ballot box in 2020. Impeachment is just to make dems feel better. It won’t accomplish anything. Hell, the head Republican on the judiciary committee said yesterday, if you want the full unredacted Mueller report, start impeachment proceedings if you have the guts to do it.

Does that sound like a party that is worried or afraid of impeachment at all?

What happened to Nixon when impeachment proceedings started? What happened to his approval ratings, etc as what he did was exposed.

People don't read long ass reports. Only 4 percent of the population has read the report. Only 24 percent of the population has read ANY of it.

100M people would watch impeachment proceedings. It's much easier for people to grasp crimes when someone is being examined by a lawyer in real-time.

That's what crushed Nixon.
 


If only there were some sort of constitutional remedy.
What happened to Nixon when impeachment proceedings started? What happened to his approval ratings, etc as what he did was exposed.

People don't read long ass reports. Only 4 percent of the population has read the report. Only 24 percent of the population has read ANY of it.

100M people would watch impeachment proceedings. It's much easier for people to grasp crimes when someone is being examined by a lawyer in real-time.

That's what crushed Nixon.
Exactly. Put all this shit on front street.

Trumps crimes are so egregious, there is no other option if you claim to be the opposition party. If they continue to do nothing, they confirm what so many already believe... y'all aint shit.

:lol: at the idea Trump wants impeachment proceedings... That bitch doesn't want anybody talking about this shit at all
 
Trumps crimes are so egregious, there is no other option if you claim to be the opposition party. If they continue to do nothing, they confirm what so many already believe... y'all aint shit.

:lol: at the idea Trump wants impeachment proceedings... That bitch doesn't want anybody talking about this shit at all

Yep.

They're confirming Trump's narrative if they don't proceed. The Dems have the power to impeach... people will think "If the Dems can impeach and they don't, Trump must have done nothing impeachable". That's exactly how people will take it.

They've got everything to lose by not impeaching him. If they don't, Trump is going to sell Dem Overreach to Independents anyway. Whether or not they impeach, he's going to say the exact same shit during his re-election campaign. The dumbest, most short-sighted thing they can do right now is to sit back and do NOTHING.
 
What happened to Nixon when impeachment proceedings started? What happened to his approval ratings, etc as what he did was exposed.

People don't read long ass reports. Only 4 percent of the population has read the report. Only 24 percent of the population has read ANY of it.

100M people would watch impeachment proceedings. It's much easier for people to grasp crimes when someone is being examined by a lawyer in real-time.

That's what crushed Nixon.

Was Nixon as popular with his base as Trump is?
I don't see impeachment hearings having any effect on Trumps base.
 
Was Nixon as popular with his base as Trump is?
I don't see impeachment hearings having any effect on Trumps base.

You're not trying to impact Trump's base. It's everyone else. But yeah.. Nixon was really popular with 90% approval with the GOP.

You can't see Nixon's approval history below. Impeachment proceedings DESTROYED him

Nixon had won reelection in 1972 by a landslide and began his second term with a lofty 68% Gallup Poll approval rating in January 1973.

After Impeachment Proceedings, he was down to 24%.

https://historyinpieces.com/research/nixon-approval-ratings

 
What happened to Nixon when impeachment proceedings started? What happened to his approval ratings, etc as what he did was exposed.

People don't read long ass reports. Only 4 percent of the population has read the report. Only 24 percent of the population has read ANY of it.

100M people would watch impeachment proceedings. It's much easier for people to grasp crimes when someone is being examined by a lawyer in real-time.

That's what crushed Nixon.

Regardless, it’s the play republicans want the Dems to do. They aren’t afraid AT ALL.

And if Nixon had Fox News, he probably would never have been impeached.

And you’re assuming Trump would go along with his people being examined. If he told his people not to go, the congress would ask the justice department to indict them and Barr would say no.

The lesson on the Trump presidency, that we on the left never learn is that people don’t care.

If you look from the start, every single time he did something that we thought would be the thing that caused people to turn against him, it never happened.

Saying POWs aren’t heroes because they got captured
Making fun of a disabled reported
Defending Putin saying, “American kills people too, you think we’re so innocent?”
Being accused and sued by a dozen women for sexual assault or harrasment.
Admitting to sexual assault and harrassment on tape
Saying his daughter could be called a hot piece of ass, the thing they have most in common is sex, and if he wasn’t her father he would be dating her
Admitting one of the perks of running the Miss Universe pageant is being able to walk into the dressing rooms of 17 year olds and watch them
Asking our greatest foe to hack his opponents emails on national television
Standing next to Putin and saying he believes Putin more than American intelligence
Lying over 10,000 times
Saying neo-nazis are very fine people
Putting children in cages and separating them from their families
Illegally banning an entire religion from entering the country and bragging about it
Creating a fake national emergency to go around congress and admitting to it in a speech
Getting money from foriegn government into his private company and giving them favor
Announcing that American foriegn policy is if you give us money, you can torture, kill, and chop up any of your people no problem
Fire the FBI director that is investigating you then admit on national television that’s the reason you did it
Invite the head Russia spy to the oval office for a Trump and Russians only meeting to laugh and brag about firing the FBI director
Give the Russians classified information your allies gave you

The American electorate of 2019 didn’t care about any of those things. Even a few of those would have doomed Nixon.

And now, we will tell the public that Trump tried to get his attorney to fire Mueller and that will be the thing that craters his support?

I’m sure we will have these hearings, and the American people are going to let you down...again
 


If only there were some sort of constitutional remedy.

Exactly. Put all this shit on front street.

Trumps crimes are so egregious, there is no other option if you claim to be the opposition party. If they continue to do nothing, they confirm what so many already believe... y'all aint shit.

:lol: at the idea Trump wants impeachment proceedings... That bitch doesn't want anybody talking about this shit at all

So what the fuck will she do about it then!?!?!? Stop talking and do something!!!!
 


If only there were some sort of constitutional remedy.

Exactly. Put all this shit on front street.

Trumps crimes are so egregious, there is no other option if you claim to be the opposition party. If they continue to do nothing, they confirm what so many already believe... y'all aint shit.

:lol: at the idea Trump wants impeachment proceedings... That bitch doesn't want anybody talking about this shit at all


If Trump didn’t want to be impeached, he would be working with the congress. If you don’t want to be arrested do you tell the cops to fuck off when they have a search warrant? The Republicans straight dared the Dems to do it yesterday :lol:

AG Barr told them couple weeks ago, if you want the grand jury information, just start impeachment and you can bet it. Lmao. Trump hasn’t cared anything at all in the last two years about anyone not in his base. And he doesn’t care now. And he knows they will never believe you, or CNN. Ever
 
If Trump didn’t want to be impeached, he would be working with the congress. If you don’t want to be arrested do you tell the cops to fuck off when they have a search warrant? The Republicans straight dared the Dems to do it yesterday :lol:

AG Barr told them couple weeks ago, if you want the grand jury information, just start impeachment and you can bet it. Lmao. Trump hasn’t cared anything at all in the last two years about anyone not in his base. And he doesn’t care now. And he knows they will never believe you, or CNN. Ever

I don't how often this need to be repeated. Trump can't win re-election with ONLY his base. Let him keep this base and his base ONLY.
 
You're not trying to impact Trump's base. It's everyone else. But yeah.. Nixon was really popular with 90% approval with the GOP.

You can't see Nixon's approval history below. Impeachment proceedings DESTROYED him

Nixon had won reelection in 1972 by a landslide and began his second term with a lofty 68% Gallup Poll approval rating in January 1973.

After Impeachment Proceedings, he was down to 24%.

https://historyinpieces.com/research/nixon-approval-ratings



Once again, if Nixon had said American POWs are not heroes because he likes people that don;t get captured. His presidency would have been over. Just different times man. But we’ll see. We do know the Republicans aren’t afraid of it.
 
Once again, if Nixon had said American POWs are not heroes because he likes people that don;t get captured. His presidency would have been over. Just different times man. But we’ll see. We do know the Republicans aren’t afraid of it.

I agree we're in different times. However, it's not that the GOP wants impeachment and isn't afraid of it. It's that they want to set the narrative before it happens... just like Barr did with the Mueller report. They were absolutely scared of the Mueller report and that's why Barr did what he did. Trump absolutely does not want impeachment. They all feel it's inevitable. They just want to set the narrative as DEM overreach before we get there.

Guiliani's sole purpose was to thwart impeachment. That's what all of this was about.... to kill impeachment proceedings.
 
I don't how often this need to be repeated. Trump can't win re-election with ONLY his base. Let him keep this base and his base ONLY.

Which means impeachment won’t change anything. Opinion of him is already set. 40% of the country will support him no matter what. Dems talking about helath care will help them 1000 time more than an impeachment
 
I agree we're in different times. However, it's not that the GOP wants impeachment and isn't afraid of it. It's that they want to set the narrative before it happens... just like Barr did with the Mueller report. They were absolutely scared of the Mueller report and that's why Barr did what he did. Trump absolutely does not want impeachment. They all feel it's inevitable. They just want to set the narrative as DEM overreach before we get there.

Guiliani's sole purpose was to thwart impeachment. That's what all of this was about.... to kill impeachment proceedings.

Then why did Barr and the Republicans say, sure you can have the unredatcted report. Just start impeachment and you can get it.
 
If Trump didn’t want to be impeached, he would be working with the congress.

That's not how Trump thinks or operates. His M.O. has already been to delay any legal proceeding as long as possible as a defensive tactic. He's been doing this exact same thing for decades. Delay, deny, spin, etc so that you wear your opponent out while controlling the media narrative.

He never was going to work with Congress, regardless.
 
Which means impeachment won’t change anything. Opinion of him is already set. 40% of the country will support him no matter what. Dems talking about helath care will help them 1000 time more than an impeachment

I keep telling you that the 40% doesn't matter. You want to keep him there. What you don't want him to do is gain in approval rating because the entire narrative becomes what he said it was "solely a witch hunt with nothing there".

You think that the House impeaching Trump stops candidates from talking about Health Care? How myopic is that? There won't be any more or less talk about policy than there is right now or there was during the 2016 election because Trump knows how to keep the media chasing carrots like he did during 2016.
 
Then why did Barr and the Republicans say, sure you can have the unredatcted report. Just start impeachment and you can get it.

Which one gets the Dems the unredacted report sooner? Barr handing it over or going through the courts? The answer is simple. They don't want the Dems to have the incriminating material so that they can beat Trump over the head with it.

The GOP just wants to burn as much time as possible. The longer it takes to take action on Mueller's report, the less meaningful it's going to be.

and can you give me a link to barr actually saying "you can have it if you impeach Trump"?
 
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