You stayed around for the two scenes during the credits? Second scene cleared it up for me... And it was broken white boy, I think, she said lol.
Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......
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You stayed around for the two scenes during the credits? Second scene cleared it up for me... And it was broken white boy, I think, she said lol.
really? youre holding creed up as a measuring stick?? that was rocky with a black guy and a hip hop soundtrack...
the dora milaje were underused?? the flick IS called black panther
how does your reply in any way address quality?
but that is irrelevant.
all that came before Klaw fell into T'Challa's hands has no impact on the fact that Klaw was in T'Challa's hands.
it doesnt matter if a fairy dropped him off then flapped her little ass back to neverland.
what matters is that Erik had to SHOOT THE KING to get Klaw BACK.
if he did not SHOOT THE KING ho WOULD NOT HAVE Klaw.
EVERYTHING hinges on that.
an original story vs a rehash of a story from 1977
creed's pacing and scenes were almost shot for shot what happened in rocky vs a story that builds a world from scratch
I just wasn't as impressed as you were with creed.
(i may have to get on that movie pass fam! I thought you COULDN'T see the same movie in a 30 day period though?)
WOW...well OK
I don't compare superhero films to other films generally
This is a MASSIVE film
the first in a franchise
its world building.
You could make the same "underused character" statement on EVERY modern movie like this.
but besides that you only got 2 hours
And we HAVE to save something for the OTHER movies
this was an INTRODUCTION...
(the Dora WILL be a BIG BIG part...and I counter with this, Coogler helped introduced the Dora in Civil War. And with 60 seconds of screen time Black women AND men across the globe clamored for more. They KNOW what they doing)
this satisfied ALL of writing 101.
and exceeded it by having a coherent story that resonates and DEMANDS repeat viewing.
This is the best written supporting cast in YEARS.
EACH voice was distinctine
every DEATH resonated.
the score...tricky
this is Americans doing Afro- Beats.
but that actual soundtrack is FLAMES!
In the movie?
I have NEVER been particularly OVERWHELMED by any of the recent superhero soundtracks.
I DO wish black Panther had a STRONG distinctive theme.
I liked the music though
especially anything with Killmonger cause he moved like jazz through that movie
i think it was very DELIBERATE to NOT have a lot of "music"
I liked the natural sounds ESPECIALLY with T'Challa (the first scene where he saves his ex girlfriend)
I didn't want distraction
(and remember the characters had "accents" which American audiences generally HATE so I think it was also important to make sure EVERYONE could hear them CLEARLY)
Disagree with editing.
It was clear as day for me and honestly you are the FIRST person I heard say that
and considering I have spoken to young children who have seen it and followed along perfectly.
but again I understand what you didn't like.
That's cool.
Happy you went and even HAPPIER you enjoyed yourself.
maybe see if you can give your ticket to someone else who would really enjoy it or hasn't seen it yet.
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I stayed around for that but I don’t follow the comics so I didn’t know the character. They had whoever looking like white Jesus.
agreed...some of the fight scenes where a jumble of fast edits and whip pans and the first fight on the trail in africa was completely blown by being shot at night.
I was like
can't see a damn thing!!
you don't know what you are talking about...
dude - most directors could copy shot for shot from Rocky and still not come close to
telling a good story... thats why the original is a great film.
Same goes for Creed...
even worse watch this:
man, you're just wrong - just because the plot matches the same beats - doesn't make it the same film
Indiana Jones vs Romancing the Stone
Scarface vs Scarface
Infernal Affairs vs Departed
You lost context. You comparing a pg 13 superhero marvel movie to a R boxing movie. You need to compare it with other pg 13 superhero movies and they all have flaws.
The movie critic in me saw what you saw but I also understood the significance and was surprised and how thought provoking it was. Yea if it was rated R and without Disney, imagine the restraints taken off kill monger's character.
HBO
12 ep story arcs
thats not a good example as romancing the stone was piggybacking on the popularity of IJ...same with Allen Quartermain (remember that shit?)..
But this is about Black Panther..
All Marvel movies not named Winter Soldier have weak hand to hand action...
This and Star Wars NEEDS better fight choreography
Make the thread and let's do it.
ok
Scarface vs Scarface
Infernal Affairs vs Departed
....
to my eyes Black Panther's weaknesses are - more budget and time:
intricate fight choreography, more fight scenes require...
more scenes for key characters require...
in act 3 -better CGI, practical effects and fight choreo require...
So was T'Challa like MLK and Killmonger Malcolm X??
And the biggest issue I had was them allowing a white man to walk around there at all.
Also the discussion to reveal their tech was kinda naive at BEST especially given the reason why they worked so hard to keep the whole country a secret.
But the BIGGEST BEST thing I saw was little kids of all colors excited to see the film
Like with anything I doubt they share it all or most they're like 50 years ahead of us tech wise
The Black Panther TKala reminds me of the good old boys network at work. Billy gets on at the job because his dad has worked there 30 years. He is under qualified, everyone likes him because he is Jim's son and Jim is good people, everyone saw Billy since a little boy on the deer lease, Billy shows up to work drunk but we all did that when we were 20 chasing tale, Billy can't really do the job but everyone overlooks it and figures in 5 years he will get it. Now Killmonger is the brother who gets hired on who has degrees, work experience, and extremely bright but has to fight tooth and nails to get a raise. Doesn't get the respect and frowned upon because he isn't a good ol boy not from Wikanda. Everyone and they mama knows he is the best candidate for the supervisor role but doesn't get it because he not on the deer lease aka Wikanda. Kill monger opens managements eyes dam its a whole new world out there if we actually hire from the talent pool instead of just bringing up the good ol boys sons. Black Panther movie has so many layers its not funny.
He executed his plan to perfection.
All of it.
Even when they took him to a black location let's not forget that to a secret site
Before they could question him fully he had broken him out to continue on his path lol
Nobody stopped him everyone had to in order to barely win
Nicca what.
T'Challa has trained all his life to get the skill set to be king plus hold the mantle of black panther, there are ritual battles for others to challenge which only end by death or tapping out.
you ain' even know who the Winter Soldier is, just step on out this thread playa.
totally overthinking it...it’s a fucking monarchy
If you can't understand what I'm saying you lost....The other tribes were white guys at work who never question anything. They just let they friend bring his son into the job aka king role when he aint suited for it. Black Panther said himself he wasn't ready.
Weak hand to hand action??
Dude, sorry you are bugging on this one.
First of all.. ALL of these Marvel fight scenes involve ‘quick cuts’ between action.
The only difference is ‘time of day/or night’.
Winter Soldier Streetfight Scene
Second of all, Civil War has a damn good Fight Scene that evolves into a chase sequence. They start by fighting MULTIPLE enemies in a tight space... then move to a rooftop... then finally into a tunnel.
Civil War Fight/Chase Scene
Black Panther also has quick cuts... but it even has a long ‘single shot’ using a crane that moves from the floor of the Casino to the upstairs, which seamlessly transitions into a ‘handheld shot when Okoyé is spinning her spear on the 2nd floor.
This whole fight transitions into an extended car chase sequence, which has both Okoyé and Black Panther ‘flipping over moving cars’.
Black Panther Casino Fight Scene
If you watch all 3 of these fights back to back.... it’s hard to say that the Black Panther’s fight scenes are ‘that much worse’ than Winter Soldier, or Civil War.
That’s just not being realistic.
Either that, or you are not looking at the scenes objectively, or you are not using the the same ‘benchmark’ for all 3.
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Best Marvel Movie Super Villains so far...
1.Loki
2.Buckey
3.Killmonger
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1.Loki
2.Buckey
3.Killmonger
???
i don't think that will be a problem.
i had to wait in a line like this yesterday to be able to buy tickets to see it today. loved everything about the movie.
I didn't say anything about editing or blocking... I can see the choreography despite the film work so to my eyes the choreography is worse...Weak hand to hand action??
Dude, sorry you are bugging on this one.
First of all.. ALL of these Marvel fight scenes involve ‘quick cuts’ between action.
The only difference is ‘time of day/or night’.
Winter Soldier Streetfight Scene
Second of all, Civil War has a damn good Fight Scene that evolves into a chase sequence. They start by fighting MULTIPLE enemies in a tight space... then move to a rooftop... then finally into a tunnel.
Civil War Fight/Chase Scene
Black Panther also has quick cuts... but it even has a long ‘single shot’ using a crane that moves from the floor of the Casino to the upstairs, which seamlessly transitions into a ‘handheld shot when Okoyé is spinning her spear on the 2nd floor.
This whole fight transitions into an extended car chase sequence, which has both Okoyé and Black Panther ‘flipping over moving cars’.
Black Panther Casino Fight Scene
If you watch all 3 of these fights back to back.... it’s hard to say that the Black Panther’s fight scenes are ‘that much worse’ than Winter Soldier, or Civil War.
That’s just not being realistic.
Either that, or you are not looking at the scenes objectively, or you are not using the the same ‘benchmark’ for all 3.
they put thought into it - but not much time / training
Civil War was decent for the chase but didn't maintain it through act 3
vs Winter Soldier was consistent through out
Yeah , ya can't go overloading the film with the Dora Milajae when it ain't their movie. If anything it set the scene to spin off it, but then that ain't really the marvel UniverSe.
The Dora Milajae is essentially a play on the Dahomey Amazons. If they ever did a film on Dahomey, THAT would be cool EXCEPT, Dahomey was a huge slave trading nation and positioning them as a good thing would be kinda problematic. King Ghezo, who employed them was kinda hitlerish.
So M'Baku and his tribe didn' show up to challenge T'Challa during the beginning, and he lost and accepted that T'Challa was worthy to be king.
T'Challa was still in morning and less than a week out of having his father killed and stated to T'Chaka that he wasn't ready to be without his father. He had been holding the mantle of black panther already but wasn't king yet until the events of Civil War.
numbers? stories? updates?
Other African rulers took a stand. For instance, in the early 17th century Nzinga Mbandi (c. 1583–1663), queen of Ndongo (modern-day Angola), fought against the Portuguese – part of a century-long campaign of resistance waged by the kingdom against the slave trade. Anti-slavery motives can also be found in the activities of the Christian leader Dona Beatriz Kimpa Vita (1684–1706) in Kongo.
Several major African states took measures to limit and suppress the slave trade, including the kingdoms of Benin and Dahomey. Agaja Trudo, the king of Dahomey (r. 1708–40), banned the slave trade and even went as far as attacking the European forts on the coast. Unfortunately, Agaja Trudo’s successor did not share his view and profited from engaging in the trade.
Several Muslim states in West Africa, including Futa Toro in the Senegal River basin in the late 18th century and, in the early 19th, Futa Jallon in what is now Guinea, were opposed to the trafficking of humans. In Futa Jallon, the religious leader Abd al-Qadir wrote a letter to British slave traders threatening death to anyone who tried to procure slaves in his country.
http://www.understandingslavery.com...nd-rebellion&catid=125_themes&Itemid=222.html
theres a story in there somewhere....
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