NFL News: Kraft, Brady and Belichick, is this the beginning of the end of the Patriots?

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living your life under the spotlight is that the camera captures only the public eruption, not the months of silent anger. On Dec. 3, when the New England Patriots played the Buffalo Bills, Tom Brady walked to the sideline after throwing late and behind receiver Brandin Cooks on third down, ending a first-quarter drive. Brady was angrier and more irritable than usual, as has often been the case this season in the eyes of some Patriots players and staff. As he unsnapped his chinstrap, Brady passed offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels on the sideline.

"He was wide open," McDaniels said to Brady, referring to Cooks.



Brady kept walking, and glaring at McDaniels, so the coach repeated: "We had him open."

Brady snapped, pivoting to McDaniels and yelling at him, "I got it!" Everyone within earshot, including head coach Bill Belichick, turned to watch as Brady screamed. He removed his helmet, and as a Patriots staffer held him back -- and with McDaniels' father and legendary high school coach in Ohio, Thom, in the stands behind the bench -- capped off the exchange by yelling, "F--- you!"

Video of the scene went viral, with many rationalizing it as a symptom of Brady's legendary competitiveness. Brady would later apologize to McDaniels, who dismissed the incident to reporters as "part of what makes him great." After all, many in the Patriots' building knew that Brady's explosion wasn't really about McDaniels. It wasn't about Cooks. And it wasn't about the Bills game. It was about the culmination of months of significant behind-the-scenes frustrations. For almost two decades, Belichick has managed to subvert the egos of his best player, his boss and himself for the good of the team, yielding historic results. This year, though, the dynamics have been different.

THE PATRIOTS ARE in uncharted territory. They haven't just won games and titles. They've won at an unprecedented rate and over an unprecedented span, which makes the feelings of entitlement creeping inside Gillette Stadium unprecedented as well. The Patriots, in the only statement anyone associated with the team would make on the record for this story, responded to specific questions by saying that there are "several inaccuracies and multiple examples given that absolutely did not occur," though they declined to go into detail. But according to interviews with more than a dozen New England staffers, executives, players and league sources with knowledge of the team's inner workings, the three most powerful people in the franchise -- Belichick, Brady and owner Robert Kraft -- have had serious disagreements. They differ on Brady's trainer, body coach and business partner Alex Guerrero; over the team's long-term plans at quarterback; over Belichick's bracing coaching style; and most of all, over who will be the last man standing. Those interviewed describe a palpable sense in the building that this might be the last year together for this group.

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It was also the same year that the Patriots would go on a run toward their fourth Super Bowl win, altering the team dynamic in fundamental ways that would come to a head this fall. During their 10-year championship drought, Brady and Belichick had come up just short together and could only dive back into the redemptive power of work, trying to slim the margins between defeat and victory. In beating the Seattle Seahawks in Super Bowl XLIX, the two men drew strength from different touchstones. Belichick found virtue in his idea of the Patriot Way -- the demanding, football-first culture with an emotionless pursuit of victory -- and Brady found virtue in his Method, which he believed helped him thwart the inevitability of time, reinforcing his belief that he was still not on the downside of his career and deserving of a new contract. In 2016, Kraft and Brady's agent, Don Yee, began negotiating a new deal; Belichick and other Patriots staff had to abruptly leave the NFL combine in Indianapolis to be part of the process. Brady's two-year contract, with a $28 million signing bonus, was designed to set up 2018 as a key year, when the team could, in theory, look at a 41-year-old Brady and his $22 million cap hit and decide if it made sense to transition to Garoppolo.

A year later, after another Super Bowl win -- the Brady-led, historic comeback from 28-3 to defeat the Atlanta Falcons -- Brady's stature in the organization had grown to the point that he was considered management. New players often address him as "sir." As Brady gained power, so did Guerrero, who became an even more divisive force in the building. One player visited TB12 under what he perceived as pressure, and declined to allow Guerrero to massage his injured legs. Instead he asked to keep treatment limited to only his arm, out of fear that one of Guerrero's famous deep-force muscle treatments would set back his recovery. The Boston Sports Journal would report on another player who was told by Patriots trainers to do squats but later instructed by Guerrero to not do them. Brady would tell teammates, "Bill's answer to everything is to lift more weights" -- a claim that many staffers and players felt was unfair, given the team's dedication to soft-tissue science and a healthy diet.

And so after several such incidents, Belichick explained to Brady in early September that many younger players felt pressured to train at TB12 rather than with the team, and asked the quarterback what was going on. Brady said he didn't know anything about any such pressure, according to people briefed on the exchange, and the two men left the meeting without any resolution.

Belichick felt the need to permanently clarify Guerrero's role, drawing sharp boundaries. After the brief discussion with Brady, Belichick emailed Guerrero to let him know that while he was welcome to work with any players who sought out TB12, he was no longer permitted access to the sideline or all of the team headquarters because he wasn't an employee of the Patriots (a point that Belichick would resoundingly make clear when reporters asked about Guerrero).

An email designed to solve problems only created more of them. Guerrero texted some of the Patriots players who were clients and specified, he says now, "that I would need to treat them at the TB12 Sports Therapy Center." But several players told staffers and coaches that Guerrero gave them the impression that Belichick would no longer allow them to work with him. In the view of many Patriots, it was an example of Guerrero trying to split the organization by turning players against Belichick. All of this happened as Brady, serving as TB12's test case, continued to reiterate publicly and privately his goal of playing into his mid-40s. In October, he again explained to Kraft and Belichick his plans to play a few more years. The question was whether Brady had earned long-term security from the Patriots, or if he would finish his career somewhere else.

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Now 76 years old, Kraft ultimately will attempt to broker a solution. He has paid both Brady and Belichick tens of millions of dollars, won and lost some of the greatest games in NFL history with them, and has stood by both at their lowest moments. He apologized in front of a room of owners for Spygate. And he stood by Brady during Deflategate, even after he backed down and accepted the NFL's penalty. Kraft did so even though many staffers in the building believed there was merit in the allegation, however absurd the case. The team quietly parted ways with both John Jastremski and Jim McNally, the equipment staffers accused of deflating footballs -- they've never spoken publicly -- and Belichick reorganized the equipment staff. Kraft has privately told associates he knew that he went too far in his attacks against the league. "I had to do it for the fans," he has told confidants.

A fifth Super Bowl triumph healed some of those wounds, but there's no guarantee that a sixth will fix the rest. Something has to change, that much everyone knows. Many Patriots players and staff believe that Brady is a good man who has a hard time saying no to Guerrero. They've noticed that he seems to be searching this year, as if reaching the pinnacle of his profession is as fleeting as it is rewarding, manifesting itself in outbursts like the one at McDaniels. Belichick seems to be grinding harder than ever, as if more than a sixth championship is at stake. Before the Patriots played the Steelers in December, he told players, "I brought you here for games like this."

But Belichick also has taken a longer view, as though he sees pieces of his impact leaguewide. He's preparing assistant coaches for job interviews elsewhere, which he didn't always do in years past. He has taken pride in Garoppolo's 5-0 record in San Francisco -- and in the fact that Kraft has confessed to people in the building that trading Garoppolo might have been a mistake. He reset a toxic relationship with the Colts with the Brissett trade. He has even become good friends with Goodell. The two men had a long and private meeting during the off week after the regular season, when the commissioner visited Foxborough.

Belichick always had a vision for how, after more than four decades in the NFL, he wanted to walk away, beyond setting up the team at quarterback. He wanted his sons, Brian and Steve, both Patriots assistants, to be established in their football careers. And he wanted the winning to continue without him, to have a legacy of always having the best interests of the franchise in mind. Both Brady and Belichick have redefined how much influence a coach and quarterback can have on a team game. But this year has shown that the legacy of football's greatest coach, like the game itself, is beyond his control.


A FEW HOURS before the Patriots played the New York Jets in the regular-season finale, Belichick walked straight out of the locker room and out to the field. It was 13 degrees before kickoff with subzero wind chill, the coldest regular-season game in team history, but he was wearing a short-sleeve T-shirt, shorts and receiver gloves. Pictures of him went viral, and for a moment it was reminiscent of a legendary playoff game 16 years earlier, when the Patriots played the Raiders in the snow. That night, Brady once recalled in an NFL Films interview, he took the field for warm-ups wearing a sleeveless T-shirt in the thick snow. He was 24 years old, at the beginning of a career only he saw coming. He wanted to send a message to everyone watching that nobody was tougher, both mentally and physically, than this California kid. That night, Brady showed that he was immune to the stage, a deficit, the weather and a stout defense. It was clear that the Patriots had something special, both at quarterback and under the headset, and it created a moment, both emboldening and addictive, that has lasted far longer than anyone could have expected.

On Sunday, the moment -- their moment -- seemed as alive as ever, to the outside. Belichick ordered the field crew to hang thermometers in the hallway outside of the Jets' locker room, just to mess with a franchise he still hates so much that he barely mentions his years there in the Patriots' media guide. The game unfolded like many have for the Patriots this year, with Brady looking mortal at times and like an MVP at others. As usual, the Patriots won. It didn't look like Belichick's last regular-season game as the Patriots' head coach, but several coaches and staffers later remarked to one another that it felt as if it could be. As Brady and Belichick left the field, bundled up in the cold, the only thing clear was that the beginning of the end started a long time ago, masked by success and the joy and pain of the rise, leaving both men this year's playoffs and their collective will to stave off the fall.
 
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How to process ESPN piece on Pats 'dysfunction'
By Tom E. Curran January 05, 2018 12:32 AM
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On Friday, ESPN offered up its take on the current atmosphere in Foxboro. The upshot of the Seth Wickersham story is that -- after 18 years together -- there’s friction between Bill Belichick, Tom Brady and Robert Kraft.

The story cites tension over Alex Guerrero and an assertion that Belichick was given a “mandate” by Kraft to trade Jimmy Garoppolo after Brady met with Kraft multiple times to talk about playing into his mid-40s. Additionally, Brady is reportedly weary of Belichick’s “cold coaching style.”

Their conclusion is that this may be the trio’s last year together. The impending doom ESPN is forecasting feels forced.


News that the story would be posted in the morning was first reported by Bruce Allen from Boston Sports Media Watch .

I wrote a similar story last Friday because, after talking to sources on all sides of various issues, I sensed uneasiness over simmering tensions and uncertainty about the future. This bit of palace intrigue that’s developed is, in my opinion, an outgrowth of three things.

-- First, nobody knows what Belichick is thinking -- including his players, staff and bosses -- because he isn’t real loose with the lips. What’s Bill thinking? Nobody knows. So speculation fills the void. Some of it may be informed. Some of it may be deduced. Some of it may come from people he knows well. But when speculation gets traction and there’s no pushback, it soon becomes fact.

-- Second, the Patriots are the most compelling team in American sports. It’s not even close. Between the run of success, the rarefied air Belichick and Brady occupy, Kraft’s role as one of the NFL’s leading owners, the controversies (contrived and otherwise) that have cropped up over 18 seasons and the relative banality around the rest of the country’s favorite sport, they are a golden content goose.

-- Finally, it really is the end of days. Even as the Patriots push toward what would be their third Super Bowl appearance in four seasons, the specter of a post-Belichick, post-Brady NFL bears down. Love them or hate them, nobody wants to miss the end. Everyone will want to know why it ended.

Here -- in easy-to-digest format -- are the things I’ve learned and been told about where things are right now with the Patriots.

No mandate
I was told more than once that Robert Kraft didn't tell Bill Belichick he wasn’t allowed to trade or release Tom Brady. However, I was also told that if Belichick had brought it up, he would have been discouraged from doing so. So either a) the conversation never happened but Belichick knew which way the wind was blowing and moved Garoppolo, or b) the conversation did happen and I’m being misled. Third option, the one nobody gives any credence to? The Patriots couldn’t figure a way to work it out. In his press conference after trading Garoppolo, Belichick said, “It’s just not sustainable given the way that things are set up. It’s definitely not something we wanted to walk away from and I felt like we rode it out as long as we could. We over a period of time explored every option possible to sustain it but just at this point felt like we had to make a decision. It’s a very complex situation on multiple levels and this is really the last window we had.”

That last bit -- “a very complex situation on multiple levels” -- I’m taking as Belichick’s acknowledgment of the Brady Conundrum. You have the best quarterback in league history playing at an MVP level and he, more than any other player, has ensured your place in the American sports pantheon (as you did for him). And he’s a regional deity. And the owner is sentimental. So you can’t trade him. It’s not like you're stuck with Elvis Grbac. It’s Brady.

The whispers are . . .
There are people within the Patriots organization who believe Belichick got bigfooted by Kraft on this and are proceeding under the assumption that Belichick may be so miffed that he’ll leave. They also believe the Patriots made a mistake gambling that Brady will be able to produce for as long as he thinks while moving on from the obviously-gifted Garoppolo.

No offer to Garoppolo
The Patriots never extended a new contract offer to Garoppolo. No question they discussed it and spitballed about what it would look like -- great pay as a backup escalating to starter money when Brady left -- but the offer was never formalized. Why? Because it was clear Garoppolo wasn’t staying another year as a backup. The Patriots had no workable solution for solving a win-win problem (the greatest ever or a future franchise QB) that would have kept them both here.

Same as always
Brady and Belichick’s relationship is strictly business. As I was told, if someone looked at it from the outside and saw them interacting, they may think there was a coolness between them. But that’s not remarkable. It’s always been that way.

No changes
Expect both Belichick and Brady to be with the Patriots when the 2018 season starts. Brady isn’t going anywhere. And, regardless of how pissed Belichick may or may not be (and I think he’d probably be more exasperated than pissed), walking away in a huff from something he began building 18 years ago would be rash. Belichick doesn’t really do rash.
 
There’s trouble in Foxborough
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ESPN’s latest piece talks about Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo, and some unrest in the Patriots facility. Where have we seen this before?
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As advertised, ESPN posted a story on the New England Patriot’s 2017 season and what may be the beginning of the end of the Patriots dynasty. I’m going to strongly suggest everyone reading this to read the article then come back here. It’s extremely eye opening on so many levels, but I’ll sum things up the best I can.

The main focus on the article is on Tom Brady and his book/fitness franchise TB12. Basically, TB12 is an alternative sports medicine program at best and a religious cult at worst. The trouble with all of this stems from Tom Brady’s trainer and business partner Alex Guerrero who began as a welcome trainer—though an alternate source—-that eventually imposed his will on the Patriots roster. This got so bad that there was a sort of psychological thing where either you went to Brady’s TB12 or did what Patriots coach Bill Belichick wanted and that was hitting weights. As you can imagine, both philosophies clashed with each other. So much, that it makes sense now why Belichick cut back Guerrero’s role in 2017.

But what gets interesting is the focus on Tom Brady’s then backup and current San Francisco 49ers starting quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. There were reports that Garoppolo couldn’t get on a plane fast enough to Santa Clara, yet in the media, both were complimentary of each other. It seemed like—at least then—there was a different dynamic than you saw with Joe Montana to Steve Young or Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers, but it was the exact opposite:

And Brady is famously unhelpful toward his backups -- or, at least, a threat like Garoppolo. The two quarterbacks were friendly, but Brady -- like Joe Montana to Steve Young and Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers -- didn’t see it as his role to advise Garoppolo, even on matters as trivial as footwork, as nobody had helped him during his climb. Garoppolo played well in 2016, starting in place of the suspended Brady, and Belichick began to see Garoppolo as the final piece of his legacy, to walk away in a few years with the Patriots secure at quarterback.

Still, it seemed like the two were supportive of each other. The article continues to say that Garoppolo had some issues with his shoulder injury, and like other teammates, went to TB12 to get rehab:

But after Garoppolo was knocked out of his second start with a shoulder injury, he set up a visit at TB12. As he later told Patriots staffers, when he arrived, the door was locked. He knocked; nobody was there. He called TB12 trainers but nobody answered. He couldn’t believe it, Garoppolo told the staffers, and that night ended up visiting team trainers instead.

The article later went into the circumstances surrounding the Garoppolo trade. While they didn’t say anything about Brady demanding Garoppolo to be traded, there are hints that Brady was agitated on several things (and relieved once Garoppolo was out). Whether Garoppolo’s play and grooming to be the future added to this are up to interpretation. Either way, Garoppolo was the guy. He was the Steve Young to Brady’s Joe Montana. And this is how the trade went down:

And complicating matters even more was that Belichick didn’t want to trade Garoppolo. He had passed on dealing him last spring, when Garoppolo was in high demand. In early September, Belichick did trade third-string quarterback Jacoby Brissett to the Colts for wide receiver Phillip Dorsett. “If we trade Jimmy, we’re the Cleveland Browns, with no succession plan,” one person inside the organization said earlier in the year. The Patriots repeatedly offered Garoppolo four-year contract extensions, in the $17-18 million range annually that would go higher if and when he succeeded Brady.

There you have it. The contracts discussed and Garoppolo saying, “nuh-uh” to all of it. This is very similar to the Steve Young contract disputes as discussed in his autobiography. Young at one point, wanted out of San Francisco unless he were to be starting. The 49ers told him to be patient, but as Montana kept coming back year after year, Young was having the arguments with management in his desire to play. Once they gave him a contract and made him the ‘clear’ starter, Montana was still in the picture thanks to then-owner Eddie DeBartolo not wanting to depart with the face of the franchise. Young would make an ultimatum that one of the two had to be traded.

As I said in a post months ago, the Brady/Garoppolo situation mirrors this very same dynamic, but with one difference: they kept Brady. No one expected Brady to be playing this long (as the article says, Brady was going to be done in 2018, but winning the Super Bowl put a stop to that). Similar to coaches wanting to go with Young but owners wanting to stick with Montana, this is very similar:

And complicating matters even more was that Belichick didn’t want to trade Garoppolo. He had passed on dealing him last spring, when Garoppolo was in high demand. In early September, Belichick did trade third-string quarterback Jacoby Brissett to the Colts for wide receiver Phillip Dorsett. “If we trade Jimmy, we’re the Cleveland Browns, with no succession plan,” one person inside the organization said earlier in the year. The Patriots repeatedly offered Garoppolo four-year contract extensions, in the $17-18 million range annually that would go higher if and when he succeeded Brady.

And then Kraft stepped in during a meeting to discuss the whole QB situation:

The meeting ended with a clear mandate to Belichick: trade Garoppolo because he would not be in the team’s long-term plans, and then, once again, find the best quarterback in the draft and develop him.

49ers fans have been quoted as “lucky” to get Garoppolo in a trade—and they definitely are with what the team gave up to get him. On the flip side, it also shows how good of a decision it was to pursue Kyle Shanahan, because had Kyle Shanahan not been with the team, this may not have happened:

One morning in late October, Belichick texted San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan and asked him to call. Belichick had long admired Kyle’s father, Mike, who not only had been one of the NFL’s smartest tacticians but had also personally defended Belichick to commissioner Roger Goodell during the Spygate scandal. At the combine this past February, Kyle, weeks into the 49ers job after being the offensive coordinator for the Falcons, met with Belichick for hours to learn from his team’s humiliating Super Bowlloss. Belichick believed that Garoppolo would excel under Shanahan, and when he and Shanahan connected on the phone, Belichick offered the quarterback for a second-rounder.

A lot have speculated the Garoppolo steal was because of Belichick looking out for John Lynch, a former player. This may be on Shanahan for a “thank you” to his dad for looking out.

I highly encourage everyone to read this article in full before we discuss it, because it’s awkwardly eye opening on the downfall of the current dynasty. As always, we can take these things with a grain of salt, but we can all rest assured it led to one good outcome.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1...ft-tom-brady-dysfuntion-jimmy-garoppolo-trade
 
What we learned from ESPN’s report on the Patriots’ changing dynamic
Tom Brady and Bill Belichick hoist Super Bowl trophies during the Patriots' most recent victory parade.–AP Photo/Elise Amendola
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Nicole Yang

10:11 AM


What sinks the Patriots’ dynasty could be tension from within the organization, according to a new report by ESPN’s Seth Wickersham.

Wickersham’s story, “For Kraft, Brady and Belichick, is this the beginning of the end?” revealed more details surrounding the growing unrest among the franchise’s long-lasting, championship-driven trio: owner Robert Kraft, quarterback Tom Brady, and head coach Bill Belichick.


Per Wickersham, the trio disagrees on a number of issues, including “Brady’s trainer, body coach and business partner Alex Guerrero; the team’s long-term plans at quarterback; Belichick’s bracing coaching style; and most of all, who will be the last man standing.”

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Over the course of his 18-year tenure with the Patriots, Belichick has instilled pillars of the “Patriot Way” within his players through his emotionless, albeit effective, tendencies. As much as he promotes selflessness and accountability, Belichick has made it clear that nobody’s job is safe — not even Brady’s.

He would often react to Brady’s missed passes by saying, “The quarterback at Foxborough High could make that throw,” during Monday morning film sessions. While Brady used to expect those jabs — and be OK with them — he’s become less receptive. The breaking point reportedly came after the team’s win over Houston in the divisional playoff round last season.

Although the Patriots defeated the Texans, 34-16, Belichick took issue with Brady’s performance: 18-for-38, two touchdowns, and two interceptions. While replaying one of his Brady’s interceptions in front of the team, he said, “This will get us beat,” adding that they were “lucky” to come away with the victory.

Brady has reportedly told other players and Patriots staffers that Belichick’s “negativity and cynicism have gotten old.” With all that he has accomplished in his career, Brady believes he should no longer be subject to such grief.

Brady was named AFC Offensive Player of the Week a league-high three times, but has yet to earn “Patriot of the Week” honors from Belichick — something he has noted to staff members a few times.

Alex Guerrero continues to be a divisive figure within the organization.
Wickersham’s story corroborates The Boston Globe’s earlier report that Belichick had restricted trainer Alex Guerrero’s team access because his treatment of multiple players had created conflict with the team’s official medical staff.

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According to Wickersham, the Kraft-Brady-Belichick rift began surfacing following the release of The TB12 Method in September. “That’s where a lot of these problems started,” said a friend of Brady, who claims that “Tom changed.”

While Belichick preferred that players visit Patriots doctors, players believed visiting Guerrero could be an opportunity to earn Brady’s trust. Wickersham reports that multiple players consulted with coaches and staff members about whom they should seek treatment from. It was Brady versus the team.

Wickersham’s story also highlighted a few telling anecdotes:

  • Brady would tell teammates, “Bill’s answer to everything is to lift more weights,” which is advice that conflicts with the TB12 method’s emphasis on pliability and resistance training.
  • Although Belichick still permits players to visit the TB12 Sports Therapy Center for Guerrero’s treatment, many players told coaches and staff members that they were under the impression that Belichick had completely banned them from working with Guerrero.
  • After Garoppolo injured his shoulder in his second start with the Patriots last season, he set up an appointment with Guerrero at the TB12 center. But when he arrived for his scheduled session, nobody was there and the door was locked. He called TB12 trainers, but nobody picked up. Garoppolo instead ended up working with a team trainer that night.
There’s a ‘lingering sadness’ around the team.
Brady, Belichick, and Kraft were supposed to meet in late December to “clear the air,” but the conversation never happened. Wickersham believes the conversation likely won’t take place until after the season.

According to those interviewed, many fear that this year may be the trio’s finale. With offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and defensive coordinator Matt Patricia as hot commodities on the coaching market, things are expected to be different next season — regardless of what happens with Kraft, Brady, and Belichick.

In the meantime, the trio is still poised to make a run at their record sixth Super Bowl championship in spite of the underlying changes in dynamic.

“Bill’s done a phenomenal job of holding the building together,” a Patriots official told Wickersham.
 
Skip & Shannon said it looks like Bellicheck is sabotaging the Patriots now. He practically gave Garrapolo to the 49ers in a crackhead deal and now he's letting both of his coordinators look at other job opportunities which he has never done before.

That CAC Colin has been saying this for a couple of months now on his show.
 
Long article but I read it and it's some good stuff in there that's highly believable. I'm trippn on when Garroppolo went to TB12 to workout and they wouldn't answer the phone or open the door and they knew he had an appointment. Basically Brady felt threatened by him and didn't help him out at all, like how Favre did Aaron Rogers.
 
Beeii? Any thoughts?
:roflmao::roflmao:
Cornbread,

you know this is all chess right;)

I love that the patriots are the center of all of the sports world right now. every channels is talking about this:bravo:

This is just the we against the world news put out.
there is no push for the superbowl patriots are are already on the road to the superbowl.
this is exactly what the patriots need for motivation.

I am glad this came out now Bill has something to motivate the team.

Bill don't care about any of this fake drama

Bill had the team practicing in 18 foot of snow on thursday during the storm on a bye week:roflmao:

There are no days off in Boston for the superbowl run.

the team that has won 2 superbowls in the last 3 years with drama:itsawrap:
(13-3 team with drama:lol:)
(team with the best record in football with drama:roflmao2:)

team with a first round bye and home field with drama:roflmao2:)

Brady about to get another NFL MVP this year with this drama:)


You dudes falling for this:roflmao: drama

More drama on the patriots than a 0-16 cleveland team this year:lol2:

when have the patriots not won without drama.... what do you want to call this one... lets add it to tuck- gate, cheat-gate, deflate-gate, 4 game-suspension for tom brady-gate.......let's call this one " 13-3 team in disarray-gate".

I love this thread. you can see all the same BGOL members crying in their sleep"God please let this be true, I can't stand this team dominating for 20 years any more......:giggle::giggle:

the roll call of names in this thread has been the same for 20 years I see you BGOL:D

Patriots Motto...........

"50 cent told me, go 'head, switch the style up
And if they hate then let 'em hate and watch the championships just pile up
The patriots life"



 
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Long article but I read it and it's some good stuff in there that's highly believable. I'm trippn on when Garroppolo went to TB12 to workout and they wouldn't answer the phone or open the door and they knew he had an appointment. Basically Brady felt threatened by him and didn't help him out at all, like how Favre did Aaron Rogers.

That shit is hilarious. He didn't get the hint?

And even after five Super Bowls he was still insecure :confused:

I guess he saw things ended with Montana, Favre and Manning, but damn....your legacy is straight regardless
 
Belicheat going to bounce after this season and go to the Giants.
 
:roflmao::roflmao:
Cornbread,

you know this is all chess right;)

I love that the patriots are the center of all of the sports world right now. every channels is talking about this:bravo:

This is just the we against the world news put out.
there is no push for the superbowl patriots are are already on the road to the superbowl.
this is exactly what the patriots need for motivation.

I am glad this came out now Bill has something to motivate the team.

Bill don't care about any of this fake drama

Bill had the team practicing in 18 foot of snow on thursday during the storm on a bye week:roflmao:

There are no days off in Boston for the superbowl run.

the team that has won 2 superbowls in the last 3 years with drama:itsawrap:
(13-3 team with drama:lol:)
(team with the best record in football with drama:roflmao2:)

team with a first round bye and home field with drama:roflmao2:)

Brady about to get another NFL MVP this year with this drama:)


You dudes falling for this:roflmao: drama

More drama on the patriots than a 0-16 cleveland team this year:lol2:

when have the patriots not won without drama.... what do you want to call this one... lets add it to tuck- gate, cheat-gate, deflate-gate, 4 game-suspension for tom brady-gate.......let's call this one " 13-3 team in disarray-gate".

I love this thread. you can see all the same BGOL members crying in their sleep"God please let this be true, I can't stand this team dominating for 20 years any more......:giggle::giggle:

the roll call of names in this thread has been the same for 20 years I see you BGOL:D

Patriots Motto...........

"50 cent told me, go 'head, switch the style up
And if they hate then let 'em hate and watch the championships just pile up
The patriots life"

The Patriots won in dramatic fashion last year..I really don't
see them repeating.
 
Didn't the patriots win in dramatic fashion 2 years ago against the seahawks:confused: or did I miss that last second interception by Butler to win the superbowl.
Patriots have won all their championships at the end of the game.:money:
all 5 chips:D


Y'all had a nice little run, but you know what they say "nothing lasts forever"
Looks more & more likely Belichick is going to retire with Brady, in a couple years

Patriots got 1 last chance to get that chip, before the Garoppolo Era begins
Now...what if the Patriots lose to the Jaguars next week, or in the AFC championship ???
Fans are going to be crying in the car !!!
Especially since Jimmy G & a scrub 49ers team dismantled the Jags just a couple weeks ago

But I guess I can't be a Pats hater since they hooked us up with a franchise QB, for a crackhead type price, LOL
Yo @Beeiii check out this clip.....he even talks like Brady on the sidelines.....

 
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Didn't the patriots win in dramatic fashion 2 years ago against the seahawks:confused: or did I miss that last second interception by Butler to win the superbowl.
Patriots have won all their championships at the end of the game.:money:
all 5 chips:D

I meant how Tom Brady was suspended in the beginning of last season and had MVP stats to go along with the dramatic win in the Superbowl last year...not just the game but their regular season. I don't see the Patriots winning it all this year.....as far as that other Superbowl..it was dramatic cuz of that dumb ass play by the Seahawks.The Seahawks beat themselves .The Patriots are vulnerable this year....just look at Brady's accuracy .I just wish the refs stopping helping them..especially in that game against Buffalo.Your Head Coach looks more tired than ever before
 
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I know people hate on RG3 and some of the things he did. But I find it funny that Brady has this much power over the team and has a very close and open relationship with the owner. Yet, everyone was telling me that it was wrong for RG3 to be too close to the owner. And truth be told, I still question how close RG3 and Synder really were.
 
Y'all had a nice little run, but you know what they say "nothing lasts forever"
Looks more & more likely Belichick is going to retire with Brady, in a couple years

Patriots got 1 last chance to get that chip, before the Garoppolo Era begins
Now...what if the Patriots lose to the Jaguars next week, or in the AFC championship ???
Fans are going to be crying in the car !!!
Especially since Jimmy G & a scrub 49ers team dismantled the Jags just a couple weeks ago

But I guess I can't be a Pats hater since they hooked us up with a franchise QB, for a crackhead type price, LOL
Yo @Beeiii check out this clip.....he even talks like Brady on the sidelines.....



A nice LITTLE 17 plus year run.
 
I know people hate on RG3 and some of the things he did. But I find it funny that Brady has this much power over the team and has a very close and open relationship with the owner. Yet, everyone was telling me that it was wrong for RG3 to be too close to the owner. And truth be told, I still question how close RG3 and Synder really were.

Would the Pats be the second most valuable franchise in the NFL without Brady? Apples and oranges.
 
Y'all had a nice little run, but you know what they say "nothing lasts forever"
Looks more & more likely Belichick is going to retire with Brady, in a couple years

Patriots got 1 last chance to get that chip, before the Garoppolo Era begins
Now...what if the Patriots lose to the Jaguars next week, or in the AFC championship ???
Fans are going to be crying in the car !!!
Especially since Jimmy G & a scrub 49ers team dismantled the Jags just a couple weeks ago

But I guess I can't be a Pats hater since they hooked us up with a franchise QB, for a crackhead type price, LOL
Yo @Beeiii check out this clip.....he even talks like Brady on the sidelines.....




"Y'all had a nice little run"=

:roflmao::roflmao:

A
unpresidented 2 decade run="nice little run":giggle::giggle:

a run is a team good for like 4 years. patriots multiplied that by 5:lol2::lol2:

nah just messing with you.:D

but you right Jimmy is going to be a great QB .
he's going to be special player.

He has two Championships already; so he knows what it takes to win. he is Brady's Mini-Me.
I told you already patriots got robbed(but we can afford to get robbed when you got the G.O.A.T.:D)

now just sign the fucker before we make a move on him later.

You try to franchise him for two years and the patriots may be ready to take him of your hands...:D

Patriots not losing to anyone....this is our year(every year is our year as vegas goes:D)


 
I know people hate on RG3 and some of the things he did. But I find it funny that Brady has this much power over the team and has a very close and open relationship with the owner. Yet, everyone was telling me that it was wrong for RG3 to be too close to the owner. And truth be told, I still question how close RG3 and Synder really were.

you buggin.

You talking about a guy that has put your team at the top of the NFL for almost 20 years your team.....Compared to RG3:hmm:

Comparing Tom Brady to a dude that is not even in the NFL anymore for bad play and injury prone:hmm:
 
I meant how Tom Brady was suspended in the beginning of last season and had MVP stats to go along with the dramatic win in the Superbowl last year...not just the game but their regular season. I don't see the Patriots winning it all this year.....as far as that other Superbowl..it was dramatic cuz of that dumb ass play by the Seahawks.The Seahawks beat themselves .The Patriots are vulnerable this year....just look at Brady's accuracy .I just wish the refs stopping helping them..especially in that game against Buffalo.Your Head Coach looks more tired than ever before

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Cornbread. you sound just like you did last year.
If I get your post from last year it would be the exact same thing this year.

Patriots don't have it.
Patriots are beatable.
seattle is the team to beat
atlanta is the team to beat.

Oh well. that is why we play the games:D

everybody looks good on paper until they play the patriots.

and you really using the refs as a crutch:eek::eek:

That game is not coming back Cornbread.....he still has not made that catch:D.. but I see you still not blaming your QB for that game losing interception and blaming tomlin:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
 
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Cornbread. you sound just like you did last year.
If I get your post from last year it would be the exact same thing this year.

Patriots don't have it.
Patriots are beatable.
seattle is the team to beat
atlanta is the team to beat.

Oh well. that is why we play the games:D

everybody looks good on paper until they play the patriots.

and you really using the refs as a crutch:eek::eek:

That game is not coming back Cornbread.....he still has not made that catch:D.. but I see you still not blaming your QB for that game losing interception and blaming tomlin:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
Im not gonna lie .I hate the Patriots...so Imma say some shit ...even if its from 2017.I never known a NFL team get away with so much shit for such a long length of time since the NO TUCK RULE with the help of referees.Dilly Dilly?
 
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Im not gonna lie .I hate the Patriots...so Imma say some shit ...even if its from 2017.I never known a NFL team get away with so much shit for such a long length of time since the NO TUCK RULE with the help of referees.Dilly Dilly?

So the Pats are to blame for the refs correctly applying a bad rule?
 
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