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Kyrie Irving requesting trade out of Cleveland to find bigger role
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Gurl you doing the damn thing for to boo today! Don't let's nobody disrespect yo man gurl!! Keep clawing and pulling that eHair gurl!! GGRRRRRRR!!!!Says the fat ashy knuckle nigga thats made 4 LeBron threads this week.You stay on that man's sack. Shit make some KD posts, he won the chip. But then you wouldnt get the attention you crave cuz no one would give a fuck.
tallblack & IT IS WHAT IT IS trollin LeBron together like...
GGGRRRRRRR!!!! Got u posting meme now! Don't break a nail gurl!!!tallblack & IT IS WHAT IT IS trollin LeBron like...
Based on what exactly? My observation that YOU seem obsessed with the guy? Dont confuse me identifying your obsessive behaviors with me being obsessive. Its like me telling a drunk he has a drinking problem and him lashing out at me saying im the one with the drinking problem due to my mentioning his alcoholism. Weird.
Are you aware that you've mentioned the guy more than anyone else in this thread?
tallblack & IT IS WHAT IT IS trollin LeBron together like...
and @ the jumpman logo
that's actually kinda funny...for your first time ever you made me laugh...i kno u didn't create ittallblack & IT IS WHAT IT IS trollin LeBron together like...
Yeah, I chuckled!
dude how did i mention his name more than anybody when there's mad pages i didn't even respond in..i only mention lebron when u and this dude came at me.. like i said kyrie should go to the knicks nowhere am i mentioning ya fave man
There are any number of deals that could transpire. A league source said perhaps the best Cleveland could do would be something with Boston, Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, and multiple first-round picks, and then use Thomas to trade for a different piece (wait a minute, didn’t I just say I wouldn’t do specific scenarios?). The Knicks don’t want Kevin Love, so your proposal isn’t happening.
3 hours ago – via Cleveland Plain Dealer
Scottie Pippen: Kyrie Irving making right move with LeBron's future uncertain
Scottie Pippen knows a little something about playing with an all-time great, so when he speaks on Kyrie Irving's situation with the Cleveland Cavaliers, it might be a good idea to listen.
Pippen was on the incredible Bulls teams of the 1990s with Michael Jordan, helping Chicago win six NBA titles while establishing himself as a Hall of Famer.
LeBron James and Irving aren't quite the same duo as Jordan-Pippen, but there are at least enough similarities for Pippen to relate to Irving's situation and defend him on ESPN's "The Jump".
"I am a very strong supporter of what he's doing because I've watched what has happened to him in his career and how things went for him in Cleveland, and I think he's at a superstar level now that he can control his own destiny. A lot of players in our game have that opportunity and they don't take advantage of it. I think it's the perfect timing, Cleveland didn't win a championship, they were right there, but there's been a lot of things going on within that organization. LeBron doesn't give those guys the security that they need, that the superstar is gonna be there and he's gonna support us and I see Kyrie looking at the opportunity to run before LeBron runs, because there's a lot of chatter out there that LeBron's coming to play with the Lakers."
Pippen went on to say what his situation would have been like had he not stayed with Jordan and mentioned how he would have won fewer championships. Of course, Jordan never left Chicago -- until he came out of retirement to play with the Washington Wizards in 2001 -- while there are constant rumors that James might leave Cleveland a second time.
With everything going on in Cleveland it's hard to not see why Irving wouldn't at least consider a trade. It's surprising he would choose to do so with James still around, but like Pippen said he's in control of his own destiny at the moment. Not every player uses that opportunity, but Irving has chosen to.
Scottie Pippen knows a little something about playing with an all-time great, so when he speaks on Kyrie Irving's situation with the Cleveland Cavaliers, it might be a good idea to listen.
Pippen was on the incredible Bulls teams of the 1990s with Michael Jordan, helping Chicago win six NBA titles while establishing himself as a Hall of Famer.
LeBron James and Irving aren't quite the same duo as Jordan-Pippen, but there are at least enough similarities for Pippen to relate to Irving's situation and defend him on ESPN's "The Jump".
"I am a very strong supporter of what he's doing because I've watched what has happened to him in his career and how things went for him in Cleveland, and I think he's at a superstar level now that he can control his own destiny. A lot of players in our game have that opportunity and they don't take advantage of it. I think it's the perfect timing, Cleveland didn't win a championship, they were right there, but there's been a lot of things going on within that organization. LeBron doesn't give those guys the security that they need, that the superstar is gonna be there and he's gonna support us and I see Kyrie looking at the opportunity to run before LeBron runs, because there's a lot of chatter out there that LeBron's coming to play with the Lakers."
Pippen went on to say what his situation would have been like had he not stayed with Jordan and mentioned how he would have won fewer championships. Of course, Jordan never left Chicago -- until he came out of retirement to play with the Washington Wizards in 2001 -- while there are constant rumors that James might leave Cleveland a second time.
With everything going on in Cleveland it's hard to not see why Irving wouldn't at least consider a trade. It's surprising he would choose to do so with James still around, but like Pippen said he's in control of his own destiny at the moment. Not every player uses that opportunity, but Irving has chosen to.
Kyrie Irving confidant, reportedly: "He’s saying he’s not about to let LeBron ‘SON’ him"
In the wake of Kyrie Irving’s trade request – clearly a reaction to LeBron James – I’ve often thought about the above video.
A reporter asked Irving how LeBron has been like a father to him. A clearly flabbergasted Irving responds: “He’s been a great leader for us. I wouldn’t – I have one father. That’s my dad, Drederick Irving.”
LeBron never called himself Irving’s father. LeBron didn’t direct the reporter to ask Irving that question.
But LeBron’s presence, his leadership, how he presents his leadership all led the reporter down that road. Even if LeBron, like the rest of us, would’ve cringed at the question, the mere fact that he plays on the same team as Irving made it so Irving was put into that awkward position.
So, there may or may not be personal animosity between Irving and LeBron. There could still be a disconnect between the Cavaliers’ biggest stars.
Stephen A. Smith of The Undefeated:
“Kyrie isn’t saying he’s better than LeBron and should be seen that way,” a close confidant of Irving’s told me. “He’s saying he’s not about to let LeBron ‘SON’ him … treating him like he’s the child and LeBron’s the father or big brother he’s supposed to look up to.
“Kyrie knows he’s a franchise-caliber talent. He wants to be treated like it. And he’s tired of hearing about what LeBron needs, and he’s damn sure tired of hearing LeBron sound like he always needs more. As if the crew they have isn’t enough.”
Is this about LeBron repeatedly saying the Cavs needed another point guard last season? He was clearly talking about a backup for Irving, not replacing Irving. Perhaps, Irving or someone close to him took it differently?
Or maybe LeBron makes even more noise behind the scenes about needing more.
He doesn’t have enough – not to have a reasonable chance of beating these Warriors. Irving and Kevin Love lead a strong supporting cast, but Golden State is one of the greatest teams of all time. For LeBron to win another title, he needs more. I don’t blame LeBron for pushing for it.
I also understand that – and so much else of what LeBron naturally invites – wearing on Irving.
In the wake of Kyrie Irving’s trade request – clearly a reaction to LeBron James – I’ve often thought about the above video.
A reporter asked Irving how LeBron has been like a father to him. A clearly flabbergasted Irving responds: “He’s been a great leader for us. I wouldn’t – I have one father. That’s my dad, Drederick Irving.”
LeBron never called himself Irving’s father. LeBron didn’t direct the reporter to ask Irving that question.
But LeBron’s presence, his leadership, how he presents his leadership all led the reporter down that road. Even if LeBron, like the rest of us, would’ve cringed at the question, the mere fact that he plays on the same team as Irving made it so Irving was put into that awkward position.
So, there may or may not be personal animosity between Irving and LeBron. There could still be a disconnect between the Cavaliers’ biggest stars.
Stephen A. Smith of The Undefeated:
“Kyrie isn’t saying he’s better than LeBron and should be seen that way,” a close confidant of Irving’s told me. “He’s saying he’s not about to let LeBron ‘SON’ him … treating him like he’s the child and LeBron’s the father or big brother he’s supposed to look up to.
“Kyrie knows he’s a franchise-caliber talent. He wants to be treated like it. And he’s tired of hearing about what LeBron needs, and he’s damn sure tired of hearing LeBron sound like he always needs more. As if the crew they have isn’t enough.”
Is this about LeBron repeatedly saying the Cavs needed another point guard last season? He was clearly talking about a backup for Irving, not replacing Irving. Perhaps, Irving or someone close to him took it differently?
Or maybe LeBron makes even more noise behind the scenes about needing more.
He doesn’t have enough – not to have a reasonable chance of beating these Warriors. Irving and Kevin Love lead a strong supporting cast, but Golden State is one of the greatest teams of all time. For LeBron to win another title, he needs more. I don’t blame LeBron for pushing for it.
I also understand that – and so much else of what LeBron naturally invites – wearing on Irving.
Clippers sound like they’re pulling out of Kyrie Irving trade pursuit
The six teams – Spurs, Clippers, Suns, Timberwolves, Knicks, Heat – that have reportedly proposed trades to the Cavaliers for Kyrie Irving are falling by the wayside, one by one.
The Heat denied making an offer. And it sounds as if the Clippers’ offer is leading them out of the chase.
Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Clippers:
The Clippers have DeAndre Jordan, who has made All-NBA teams in the last three years. They also have Patrick Beverley whose dogged defense and quality spot-up 3-point shooting would fit well with LeBron James, and Beverley would be a lower-paid replacement for Irving at point guard. Their only player on a rookie-scale contract is Brice Johnson, who has disappointed. But they can still trade their 2022 and 2024 first-rounders, theoretically one to Cleveland and one to get a rookie-scale player already in the league.
Jordan would be a bad fit in a frontcourt that already includes Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love and LeBron. But it seems a three-team trade could work.
Alas, if the Clippers have resigned themselves to not finding a three-team trade, that matters much more than whether one is plausible.
The six teams – Spurs, Clippers, Suns, Timberwolves, Knicks, Heat – that have reportedly proposed trades to the Cavaliers for Kyrie Irving are falling by the wayside, one by one.
The Heat denied making an offer. And it sounds as if the Clippers’ offer is leading them out of the chase.
Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Clippers:
The Clippers have DeAndre Jordan, who has made All-NBA teams in the last three years. They also have Patrick Beverley whose dogged defense and quality spot-up 3-point shooting would fit well with LeBron James, and Beverley would be a lower-paid replacement for Irving at point guard. Their only player on a rookie-scale contract is Brice Johnson, who has disappointed. But they can still trade their 2022 and 2024 first-rounders, theoretically one to Cleveland and one to get a rookie-scale player already in the league.
Jordan would be a bad fit in a frontcourt that already includes Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love and LeBron. But it seems a three-team trade could work.
Alas, if the Clippers have resigned themselves to not finding a three-team trade, that matters much more than whether one is plausible.
Wisdom.com FINALLY!
Wisdom.com FINALLY someone speaks with common sense and not fandom or hyper emotions.
Report: Cavaliers would pull trigger if Suns put Eric Bledsoe, Josh Jackson in Kyrie Irving trade
Kurt Helin
8 hours ago
As they should, the Cleveland Cavaliers are starting negotiations on Kyrie Irving trades asking a lot: An elite young player on a rookie contract, veteran starter who can help them now, and a first-round pick.
So far, no team has offered that kind of package up.
One team that easily could: The Phoenix Suns. They have picks, and they have quality veteran point guard Eric Bledsoe. However, they have told both of their young stars — Josh Jackson and Devin Booker — they will not be traded. If Jackson were in the deal, it would be done by now, according to Joe Varden of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Cleveland also wants Josh Jackson, a 6-8 rookie drafted fourth overall by the Suns in June. Phoenix reportedly doesn’t want to trade Jackson, and a source said the Suns told Devin Booker he would not be traded — which would seem to put a serious hamper in this potential trade.
“If that deal (Bledsoe, Miami first rounder and Jackson) for Irving was there, it’d be done by now,” a league source with knowledge of the Cavs’ thinking told cleveland.com.
Phoenix is rebuilding, and they like what they have in Booker — a 20-year-old who averaged 22.1 points per game last season but is not efficient, and needs to improve his playmaking and defense — and the just-drafted Jackson (who is very athletic, shows defensive promise, but has work to do on his jump shot).
While you can argue the Suns should pull the trigger on this deal — NBC’s own Dan Feldman broke it down and is less opposed than I am — I would be cautious. Irving and Booker plus the rest of the Suns’ roster — Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender, T.J. Warren, and the aged Tyson Chandler — are improved not making the playoffs in a deep West. Then the Suns need to load up the rest of the roster to try to keep Irving happy and wanting to stay a Sun when he is a free agent in two years.
The Suns can get better now, but will slow and steady win the race? It’s a discussion for GM Ryan McDonough and owner Robert Sarver to sit down and have. What direction do the Suns want to go, because they often seem to head down one path and then jump tracks to another, grinding their momentum to a halt. If they want to build slow, then do it right. So far they have quality young pieces, ones they may eventually want to trade, but is it that time now?
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Report: Suns tell Devin Booker they won’t trade him
Dan Feldman
12 hours ago
The Suns reportedly proposed a tradefor Kyrie Irving.
What did Phoenix offer the Cavaliers?
Eric Bledsoe makes sense in a deal as a replacement point guard, but he’s worse and older than Irving, so the Suns would have to add more. They reportedly told Josh Jackson they wouldn’t trade him – and apparently made the same pledge to Devin Booker.
Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com:
a source said the Suns told Devin Booker he would not be traded
Booker is one of the NBA’s most overrated players – a young, high-volume scorer with only moderate efficiency and undeveloped periphery skills. He’s also just 20 and on a low-paying rookie-scale contract for two more years. He’s incredibly valuable, and it’s unsurprising Phoenix views him as untradable, as teams typically overvalue their own players.
I wouldn’t refuse to trade him (or Jackson), and the Suns aren’t beholden to anything they told either player. But they probably evaluated which trades they’d be willing to make before assuring Booker and Jackson anything. So, both are probably off the table.
Without Booker or Jackson included, it’s tough to see a workable two-team trade for Irving.
Marquese Chriss and Dragan Bender are intriguing, but far too unpolished to help the Cavs win now. Phoenix also has all its own future first-rounders plus two from the Heat – one top-seven protected in 2018 and unprotected in 2019, the other unprotected in 2021. Those picks present the same problem: They don’t help the Cavaliers now. T.J. Warren and Tyler Ulis are more advanced, but carry too little upside to excite.
Perhaps, those other assets could be swung to a third team on a different timeline from the Cavaliers, but that gets complex.
Probably cause Gilbert said no.
If I was Pat Im sending these two out with the quickness.
We got a good roster overall but without stars we know we aint going nowhere.
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Report: Suns tell Devin Booker they won’t trade him
Dan Feldman
12 hours ago
The Suns reportedly proposed a tradefor Kyrie Irving.
What did Phoenix offer the Cavaliers?
Eric Bledsoe makes sense in a deal as a replacement point guard, but he’s worse and older than Irving, so the Suns would have to add more. They reportedly told Josh Jackson they wouldn’t trade him – and apparently made the same pledge to Devin Booker.
Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com:
a source said the Suns told Devin Booker he would not be traded
Booker is one of the NBA’s most overrated players – a young, high-volume scorer with only moderate efficiency and undeveloped periphery skills. He’s also just 20 and on a low-paying rookie-scale contract for two more years. He’s incredibly valuable, and it’s unsurprising Phoenix views him as untradable, as teams typically overvalue their own players.
I wouldn’t refuse to trade him (or Jackson), and the Suns aren’t beholden to anything they told either player. But they probably evaluated which trades they’d be willing to make before assuring Booker and Jackson anything. So, both are probably off the table.
Without Booker or Jackson included, it’s tough to see a workable two-team trade for Irving.
Marquese Chriss and Dragan Bender are intriguing, but far too unpolished to help the Cavs win now. Phoenix also has all its own future first-rounders plus two from the Heat – one top-seven protected in 2018 and unprotected in 2019, the other unprotected in 2021. Those picks present the same problem: They don’t help the Cavaliers now. T.J. Warren and Tyler Ulis are more advanced, but carry too little upside to excite.
Perhaps, those other assets could be swung to a third team on a different timeline from the Cavaliers, but that gets complex.
Hmmm...
What are the chances of Booker becoming as good as Kyrie one day?
I know I wouldnt pull off that trade because of the 5 year difference but Im not sure I see Booker becoming the player that Kyrie is right now.
It will be interesting to see what they get from kyrie.. I'm betting they don't get what they want
Man we never know but If booker shot becomes automotic kyrie is the best finisher in the league....ain't many folks could even dream of that...
Boston probably could do try best trade...get it Thomas and pick and a player then flip Thomas to philly for oka and a 1st protected
Booker is overrated IMO right now. He's not consistent, and people just look at the 70 points.
He's shooting 42% and 35%
Yep, Teams realize the CAVS need to move him so they are tempering their offers. If the CAVS keep him it will disrupt the locker room so they are going to get less significant offers similar to the dynamic with the Pacers and PG
Well Kyrie is already a good shooter.
Booker doesn't do anything of significance besides shoot
Kyrie can get to the basket and Booker doesn't
Booker's defense is Harden level, so that's not an advantage
Heat would never confirm what they are doing. They don't usually have their business out there like that
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