You don't think they would have done the same thing to Eddie Murphy?
1984: Would you advise Eddie Murphy to take Ghostbusters or Beverly Hills Cop?
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yeah i posted the article few posts back. they even screwed him in doing voice over for the cartoon. but lets not forget he had 3 kids no job, he kinda needed this. and eddie didnt. they wouldnt have screwed eddie like that.
Yeah, that's sad for Ernie.
not like that. but cacs are going to be cacs so. but again this is all after the fact. also eddie already did a movie with Dan why would he screw him?
pissed me off. funny thing is he is the only one showing up at these events speakng with fans
old man dont get beat up
on another note the fucked Ernie up
they would even let him do the voice for the cartoon
Hi Ernie! It’s 8am in LA where you are. Do you always do interviews this early?
It’s pretty early but I wake up normally at about 5am and go to the gym for about an hour. I’m pretty busy this week, giving talks at conventions (1) and then shooting Hot in Cleveland and Jane Fonda’s new show. I’ve been very blessed and I try to stay busy (2).
Can you remember where you were when you found out you were cast in Ghostbusters?
Yeah, I was living in Laurel Canyon. I was a single dad and was with my sons. The auditions for Ghostbusters kept dragging out and dragging out so when I finally got the part, the boys and I really celebrated. As soon as I’d read the script I thought, oh my God, this will be really cool.
Oh wow, that's cool, I know the fans love it. I bet those others in the Ghost Busters crew arrogantly think they're too esteemed to meet the lowly fans.
old man dont get beat up
on another note the fucked Ernie up
they would even let him do the voice for the cartoon
Hi Ernie! It’s 8am in LA where you are. Do you always do interviews this early?
It’s pretty early but I wake up normally at about 5am and go to the gym for about an hour. I’m pretty busy this week, giving talks at conventions (1) and then shooting Hot in Cleveland and Jane Fonda’s new show. I’ve been very blessed and I try to stay busy (2).
Can you remember where you were when you found out you were cast in Ghostbusters?
Yeah, I was living in Laurel Canyon. I was a single dad and was with my sons. The auditions for Ghostbusters kept dragging out and dragging out so when I finally got the part, the boys and I really celebrated. As soon as I’d read the script I thought, oh my God, this will be really cool.
Was it a fun shoot?
It was. The three guys were very inclusive, very sharing, even though they were at a certain place in their careers where I wasn’t. Harold Ramis especially was always so easy to talk to, and just really down to earth. Bill Murray’s just so much fun to hang with and Danny [Aykroyd] is really great. They’d been working together for years so I had to learn how to jump into that timing and be there in the moment, and Murray’s all about the moment.
Did you stay in touch with them?
Well, in the way that people in this business do. Every time you do a show you exchange numbers and it seems very real at the time, but once you wrap, you gotta get home, you gotta deal with the kids. But I saw Bill Murray recently and it was almost like no time had passed.
I love Ghostbusters but I hate the way they squeezed out your character.
You know, I never bring it up unless someone else does and since you have … I tell people Ghostbusters was the most fun I had, but it was also the most difficult for reasons that I, to this day, do not understand. In the script that I read for the audition, Winston is in the film all the way through the movie. But they changed it just before we shot, so I had to wrap my head around that. I think the studio thought they could sell the guys as they were from Saturday Night Live, and so they wanted to include Winston marginally. But then when we came back five years later for the sequel, they did the same thing! That I didn’t understand. But once you become really angry, it’s all over, so I just kept working and stayed positive.
Ernie Hudson, far left, with Harold Ramis, Sigourney Weaver, Bill Murray and Dan Aykroyd in Ghostbusters II. Photograph: Moviestore Collection/REX
So you think it was the studio who cut your character down and not Ramis and Aykroyd, who wrote the script?
You know, nobody tells you. I blame the studio because in my mind it’s easier for me to say “some exec” rather than the guy sitting next to me. I don’t think it came from the guys; the guys are great, but what do I know? But what I have come to appreciate over the 30 years is how amazingly loyal the fans are. No matter where I go, fans quote lines from Winston (3). I went to buy a car the other day and the mechanic had a tattoo of Winston’s face on his leg. So that I really appreciate.
Some fans think maybe the studio was being racist when they cut you out, and some think the part was originally written for Eddie Murphy.
If I go to the racial side of it and blame that, it takes all my power away, because if I blame racism there’s nothing I can learn from it, and the message to my sons becomes really blurred. I’m telling my boys, you can step out and grow and be and do – and then all of a sudden I’m saying, I’m being shut down because I’m black. So what I have to do is say, maybe there are other reasons. But yeah, had I been as big a star as Eddie Murphy, I don’t think the part would have been cut.
Is it true they turned you down to voice the Winston character in the cartoon of Ghostbusters (4)?
Yeah, that’s a little weird. They called me up and I said, “Yeah, I wanna do it” because the cartoon could have made a big difference in my life, so they brought me in and the director [of the cartoon] started telling me what “Ernie Hudson in the movie” did and explaining what Ernie Hudson did. It was the weirdest thing! Then I called my agent and they said they thought I was going to be doing something and I’d be too busy or some excuse like that. But I’m telling you, I’d have loved to have done the cartoon and it bothered me that somebody else did Winston, but, once again, Ghostbusters has been a learning and growing experience for me.
You sound so zen about all this, Ernie. I’d be spitting feathers.
You know, I have sons, and in this environment black men can be very marginalised and bad things happen and the attitude I take on about my life, they pick up, and I didn’t want them to go out there like that. So I say, listen man, there are a lot of hard things and you gotta keep going. I can’t make that speech if I’m not living it. So I just say, I’ve studied and trained and I’m ready to work, and you hope that someone out there will let me work and someone always has. So maybe that’s the lesson I needed to learn in this life.
Good lawd...
I feel like every black man in America should read that interview and then give it to every white man.
Cause that is essentially the plight of every single black man in America who is working for someone white.
The need to rationalize everything
the psychological abuse to not just YOU but on you children.
You can't read that have any intelligence and say institutional racism doesn't exist.
They would have tried and failed.
the thing is who cut his part his co-stars or hollywood?
i remember that they did not want him back for GB2 and Bill Murray said if he isnt in the movie, bill wasnt going to do the movie
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excalty, ernie was dad with 3 kids with no job. while eddie was a star. plus he already worked with Dan Akroyd
You mean Bill was NOT going to the movie without him, right?
In Ernie's voice: "I'll believe in anything you tell as long as there is a steady pay check involved."
In Eddie's voice: "I'll believe in anything you tell as long as there is a steady paycheck involved."
I think Eddie's would have stole Ghostbusters.
In Eddie's voice: "I'll believe in anything you tell as long as there is a steady paycheck involved."
I think Eddie's would have stole Ghostbusters.
That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION
who didn't want the "black guy back"?
And why?
It couldn't be about money or screen time.
Hell Bobby Brown recorded the HIT theme song.
No one said he was any TROUBLE on set.
Why lock out the black guy?
The issue is outside Murray?
I don't trust ANY of these white folk.
Not a one.
But TRUST a couple of someones know the truth.
Utterly and completely...
But the interesting part...
That probably would not have been the BEST thing for the movie
The movie works exactly because it's a ensemble a group effort a team no one REALLY over shadowed the film.
(Maybe kinda sorta Murray)
I think Eddie in his prime?
Totally changes the tone and dynamic of that movie.
Im not saying it's gonna be BAD...
but it wouldn't have been ghostbusters that know and love.
I agree. I think the dynamic of the original four was well balanced. Eddie was have been competing with Murray for the attention.
It would have been an AWESOME battle to watch..
But I would not have cared about stay puft, slimer, or nothing...
Imagine those 2 BOTH flirting with Sigourney Weaver???
Especially AFTER she is possessed?
Can you picture Murray and Murphy sparring with a hot red headed horny white woman controlled by an angry power hungry depraved demon king?
IT would have been incredible!
But that is a completely different movie...and you BETTER be a great director and editor cause the script is going out the damn window!!!
Sidebar...
I'm either getting old, soft or just battle weary with these white folk cause this article made my eyes water
http://ew.com/article/2014/11/05/ghostbusters-ernie-hudson/
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logical answer would be ernie is a nobody so lets give our biggest star more screen time. ernie is also black so fuck his feelings
Keone, be careful, you're reaching @geechiedan level of terrible thread making and that's a suken place you'll never get out of.
But nobody FORCED them to make the black guy prominent...Unless it was SPECIFICALLY writ ten for Eddie...
Apparently it was not.
So why change it?
Nobody forced them to hide Ernie.
Yall forget that BHC was originally written for Sylvester Stallone...if he hadn't passed it up...then Eddie may have done GB...From Wikipedia:
Sylvester Stallone was originally considered for the part of Foley.[5] Stallone gave the script a dramatic rewrite and made it into a straight action film.[4] In one of the previous drafts written for Stallone, the character of Billy Rosewood was called "Siddons" and was killed off half-way through the script during one of the action scenes.[6] Stallone had renamed the lead character to Axel Cobretti, with the character of Michael Tandino being his brother and Jenny Summers playing his love interest. Stallone has said that his script for Beverly Hills Cop would have "looked like the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan on the beaches of Normandy. Believe it or not, the finale was me in a stolen Lamborghini playing chicken with an oncoming freight train being driven by the ultra-slimy bad guy."[4] However, Stallone's ideas were deemed "too expensive" for Paramount to produce and Stallone ultimately pulled out two weeks before filming was to start. Two days later, the film's producers, Simpson and Bruckheimer, convinced Eddie Murphy to replace Stallone in the film, prompting more rewrites.[7] Besides Stallone and Rourke, other actors who were considered for the role of Axel Foley included Richard Pryor, Al Pacino, and James Caan.[8]
Sylvester Stallone was originally considered for the part of Foley.[5] Stallone gave the script a dramatic rewrite and made it into a straight action film.[4] In one of the previous drafts written for Stallone, the character of Billy Rosewood was called "Siddons" and was killed off half-way through the script during one of the action scenes.[6] Stallone had renamed the lead character to Axel Cobretti, with the character of Michael Tandino being his brother and Jenny Summers playing his love interest. Stallone has said that his script for Beverly Hills Cop would have "looked like the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan on the beaches of Normandy. Believe it or not, the finale was me in a stolen Lamborghini playing chicken with an oncoming freight train being driven by the ultra-slimy bad guy."[4] However, Stallone's ideas were deemed "too expensive" for Paramount to produce and Stallone ultimately pulled out two weeks before filming was to start. Two days later, the film's producers, Simpson and Bruckheimer, convinced Eddie Murphy to replace Stallone in the film, prompting more rewrites.[7] Besides Stallone and Rourke, other actors who were considered for the role of Axel Foley included Richard Pryor, Al Pacino, and James Caan.[8]
yeah bill wanted ernie in that movie. and hollywood wanted to cut him
sampson you my man , but say that shit again and you catching the fade
i do think that it was written for eddie, dont forget eddie's only movie before BHC1 was trading places with Dan Akroyd and he wrote the script.thats the only p[art that makes sense. also eddie confirmed it. he said that he Dan told him about the movie and eddie said something like" nah it sounds like crap""lol
I know that part...I just want to CONFIRMED he wrote it specifically for Eddie.
Cause then Ernie should have known the role would be reduced...
But from everything I just read it seems the script was sent out like that AFTER Eddie turned it down.
on a related note about ghostbusters
i heard john belushi was supposed to be in it but died of that overdose before they began filming
i heard john belushi was supposed to be in it but died of that overdose before they began filming
Ernie got the original script. but a day before shooting they changed it, thats why he flipped
he was
See that is part that gets me...so Eddie said no from DAY ONE
they hire Ernie off THAT same script and then change damn near the whole thing...
PRIMARILY to reduce the role of the guy they JUST hired???
who they paid HALF his normal rate?
WHY???
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