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Michael Jordan is widely considered to be one of the best NBA players of all time – on most people’s lists, he is #1. And why not, right? With six championships, ten scoring titles, five MVP trophies, a highly praised defensive ability, and an absurdly marketed brand that has ascended to international fame, his influence over the game is everywhere. You cannot escape the name Michael Jordan even on a monthly basis if you tried.

But is Michael Jordan actually the greatest NBA player of all time? This is a question I have difficulty with myself. As an avid NBA fan, I would not be hesitant about calling him the greatest scorer of all time – with an average of 30.1 points a game, there is little doubt that Michael Jordan was, along with Wilt Chamberlain, the most dominant offensive force this game has ever seen. However, when I think of him as the greatest NBA player of all time, I can’t help but wonder if he actually is or not. In my mind, players like Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, and (with a couple more titles) Lebron James all have an equally good stake at claiming the highly coveted title of “GOAT” – Greatest of All Time.

Here are ten reasons why Michael Jordan may not be considered the greatest NBA player in history.

10. He Won His Titles In an Era of When Expansion Teams Were Added, Diluting the Overall Quality of the NBA
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Right before and during his championship reign in the 90’s, several teams were added to the league, including the Orlando Magic, Miami Heat, Toronto Raptors, and Vancouver Grizzlies. It is a widely known truth that expansion teams rarely ever have winning seasons in their first few years in the league, as the talent pool is diminished due to the fact that a team has to fill a roster with completely new players, many of which have possibly never played professional sports before. Michael Jordan won 6 championships between 1991 and 1998; between 1988 and 1996, six teams were added to the league, making the era of Michael Jordan one that had lots of newbie teams.

9. MJ Couldn’t Get the Washington Bullets to the Playoffs

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I get it, he was way past his prime and not the Michael Jordan that averaged 32, 8, and 8 in the 80s. Still, we are talking about the “greatest player of all time,” only three years removed from his most recent championship run in Chicago. Certainly, you would expect that the greatest player of all time would be able to help his team get at the very least into the playoffs? Perhaps his leadership and wisdom could have outdone his ability at the time, but no, the Wizards did not make the playoffs in either of the two years MJ was with the team.
8. He Was a Huge Ball Hog
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Much like Kobe Bryant in today’s NBA, Michael Jordan was a huge ball hog, often taking as many as 30 shots a game in the 86-87 season alone. Basketball is a team sport, and hogging the ball like he did back then is a large reason why the bulls were not able to make it out of the first round of the playoffs his first three seasons in the league.

7. Michael Jordan Couldn’t Get Past the First Round of the Playoffs Without Scottie Pippen

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In the 1980s, the world was inebriated with the potent shotmaking ability that was Michael Jordan – in his third year in the league, he averaged an astonishing 37.1 points, which is the highest point total average of all time out of all NBA players not named Wilt Chamberlain. His first three years in the league, the Chicago Bulls did make it to the playoffs; despite averaging an absurd 43 points per game in the 1986 playoffs, as well as incredibly high scoring numbers in 1985 and 1987, Michael Jordan was not able to get his team out of the first round of the playoffs in those three years.

With Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan found an athlete who is widely considered one of the greatest defenders of all time. With Pippen, the Bulls finally had an incredibly pesky defender who constantly took the Bulls to deep playoff runs. Interesting note: Pippen has a better career winning record than Michael Jordan.

6. The NBA Teams He Defeated In the Finals Were Overrated
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One of the staples of MJ’s legacy is that each of the teams he defeated in the finals had very memorable superstars. Although this is true, when looked at a bit deeper, these teams may be a little overrated. Let’s take a quick look at the teams Michael Jordan defeated in the finals and how they might be a little overrated:

1991 – Los Angeles Lakers – a good team, but point guard Magic Johnson was on his way out, and James Worthy was not nearly as effective as he was in the 80s. Also, the team no longer had Michael Cooper like they had in the 1980s, who was widely considered one of the best defensive players of all time. Needless to say, this Lakers team also no longer had the talents of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar like they did in the 80s – this Lakers team was a far cry from the Lakers that dominated the 80s.

1992 – Portland Trail Blazers – Outside of Clyde Drexler, this team boasted the legendary talents of…Jerome Kersey and Clifford Robinson. Moving on!

1993 – Phoenix Suns – Probably one of the better teams that MJ played, the Suns were led by then-MVP Charles Barkley, who was one of the league’s best power forwards. Outside of Barkley, this team lacked quality interior defense, a persistent theme throughout Jordan’s title run that was also a big reason why the Bulls won the 1991 and 1992 NBA finals.

1996 – Seattle Supersonics – the famous duel between Gary Payton and Michael Jordan, unfortunately, was incredibly one-sided. The Seattle Supersonics really only had two good players, Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp. Kemp was an effective forward, but his work ethic left much to be desired, and the team did not have the depth that the Bulls had, with Pippen and Dennis Rodman working as incredible defenders while Michael Jordan constantly took shot after shot, making only 46% of his shots, which is low for the “greatest player of all time.”

1997-1998 – Utah Jazz – Probably the best team Jordan faced in the finals, this Jazz team was admittedly stocked with high-level talent, which included the likes of John Stockton and Karl Malone. Still, this team paled in comparison to the 1980’s Utah Jazz, who had defensive presence Mark Eaton to stop the offensive teams in the low post.

As we can see, the teams Jordan faced in 1990s finals either had low post defensive issues, were not as good as they were in the 80s (which is why they could be overrated), or lacked great depth.

5. He Was Not a Great Playmaker
Michael Jordan wasn’t a horrible playmaker – although he was often selfish with the ball, he did average about 5 assists per game for his career. Still, his playmaking abilities left much to be desired, as his strategy was often to use his virtuosic scoring to lead his teams to victory, rather than to pass the ball to teammates in order to create difficult switches for the defense. This strategy only worked well when he had Pippen and either Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman to contribute to a deep defensive run, and did not work in the 80s before the Bulls drafted Scottie Pippen.

4. He Constantly Lost in the 1980s
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Michael Jordan lost to the Detroit Pistons three straight times in the playoffs from 1987-1990, and never made it to the finals in the era of the “Showtime” Lakers, Bird’s deeply talented roster of Celtics, Erving’s 76ers, and a Utah Jazz team that was in their dominant prime. In the 1980s, NBA teams were much better and much deeper than they were in the 1990s, mostly due to the fact that the 90s were littered with low-quality expansion teams, as previously mentioned in this article.

3. Several Other Players Are Qualified for the Throne
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Bill Russell led his team to eleven championships, Wilt Chamberlain actually averaged 50 points and 25 rebounds one season, Magic Johnson could play point guard as well as he could play center, Larry Bird was both an offensive threat and a great playmaker who dominated in the 1980s, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the all-time scoring champion with an equal number of championship rings to MJ and even six MVP trophies on top of that. I am not saying that Michael Jordan is definitively not the greatest NBA player of all time, but there are several other players who could compete for that title. Even Lebron James is a more efficient shooter and better playmaker than Michael ever was.

2. In 1998, the NBA Was Really Bad, Giving the Bulls An Easy Path to Be Number One
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The 90s are mistakenly seen as a golden era of basketball – in 1998, the year MJ won his sixth title, there were six teams that did not make it past twenty wins. Wow! That means over 20% of the NBA lost more than sixty games, marking one of the least talented years of NBA basketball in all of sports history. Michael Jordan essentially cake-walked to the playoffs and to the finals that year, as the league was very one-sided in favor of just a few teams.

1. After His First Retirement, His Bulls Were Practically As Good As Before He Retired

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When a great player leaves his team, typically the team falls apart after he leaves. This can be seen in a number of instances: when Lebron left the Cavs in 2010, the Cavs record dropped by over 40 wins the following season. When Shaq left the Lakers, they had difficulty making it to the postseason the first few years following his departure. And even as recently as this past season, the Celtics have become a shell of themselves after Pierce and Garnett left.

So when the “greatest player of all time” left the Chicago Bulls after his first retirement, you would imagine they lost by like, at least 20 more games the following season, right?

In actuality, led by the defensive grit of Scottie Pippen, the Bulls dropped only two more games than in the previous season. Yeap, you read that right, two games. With Michael Jordan in the 92-93 season, the Bulls had 57 wins, and in the 93-94 season without Jordan, they had a “paltry” 55 wins. Don’t you think that after the “Greatest Player of All Time” retires, his team would completely sink without him? Think again.
 
Plenty of guys were better than him in basketball but they are dead, in jail, etc.

He's the only one that put it all together.

Len Bias
"Dunkin" Hines
Pee wee Kirkland
Etc...all debateable of course.
 
This is not worth the ink used to write it. Any NBA team that makes it to the finals in any years is a worthy opponent.Mike could fly and finesse , Kobe copied, LeBron runs over people and has always played on stacked teams when he won championships. Jordan was unstoppable and a two-way player. Simply the best to have ever done it
 
Not this shit again! Seems like every year they come out with the same bullshit. Mj was the goat...period. Lbj might pass him...time will tell.
 
Plenty of guys were better than him in basketball but they are dead, in jail, etc.

He's the only one that put it all together.

Len Bias
"Dunkin" Hines
Pee wee Kirkland
Etc...all debateable of course.

So you just figured you would make a strong push to end the year with the most stupid statement possible Huh? Swung for the fences like a motherfucker with this level of stupidity too! Might be in the running for the stupidest statement of the year! Let me check... Be right back!!
 
The only point worth mentioning is the last point. If Scottie was obsessed with being the man, they could have went deeper in the playoffs
 
Debates like this seem to be best suited either for barbershop/bar/at the crib with fellas situations. When this becomes the topic elsewhere it appears that "they" have run out of uses for Jordan on that GOAT position. They have shitted on Lebron for years. Now the want to build a case for him. And with Shaq being so great as a big ass Pinocchio, they don't wear out Kobe's name unless something major happens.

When Jordan was a money magnet he was God in sneakers for companies. Now that they want to monetize moving forward, Jordan "was great for his time" is the narrative now. I'm not his biggest fan, but I smell a rat.
 
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number 9.. mj actually had the wizards ranked number 5 in the east for the first 62 games of the season than he got injured and missed the last 20 games and his team completely collapsed without him and missed the playoffs

number 10 didn't the orlando magic make it to the final?? so why would they exactly call expansion bad for the nba..in fact the heat were rivals to the knicks in the mid 90's

number 6.. suns had the nba mvp charles barkley, at the time the nba 3 point record season holder that yr in dan marle, kj who was prob the 4th best pg in the nba during that era(he got over shadow by magic, zeke, stockton all hall of famers), richard dumas was actually a rookie of the yr candidate that yr, mark west i believe was top 5 in shot blocks that season, they also had the vet tom chambers..that team led the league in scoring as well had the best record in the nba at 63 and 19..so how was that team not good

number 1 the bulls added toni kukoc 1 of the best foreign ball players and considered the crotian jordan, pete myers averaged a lil like 10 points a game.. so technically with these two additions they were not the same exact squad in previous yrs.. in fact a lot of people was talking about breaking the celtic nba consecutive final champion record when people knew kukoc was gonna join the squad the yr b4..they already knew he was gonna add a new offensive weapon to the squad

number 7 he lost to the dynasty celtics..pretty much everybody lost to the dynasty celtics..name a player who could personally by himself beat bird, mchale, parish by in a best of 5??

number 8 he averaged 6 assist and shot over 50 percent..he was a sg..keyword "shooting" guard which means he's suppose to take shots

bring on troll bait
 
Mike is the greatest player I've ever SEEN but greatness is always subjective in no matter what field. Ask a black person if Thomas Jefferson was a great president, for instance.

Even though I think MJ is the best, he benefited from a temendous amount of good fortune. In 50 years of basketball, nobody knew how to build a team around a perimeter guy without a great big man. Jordan got Scottie Pippen and the Triangle Offense to compensate for that.

Jordan also went to a team with a gutted roster so there was no gridlock at his position to take away his minutes or stunt his growth (think OKC with Durant and Westbrook or Philly's roster now). If Portland, for instance, took the best player available and picked Jordan, he could've easily wasted 4 or 5 years on a team with tremendous chemistry issues and drama.

The small pendulum swings can change history. Isiah was one phantom foul away from 3 straight championships. Magic got hurt and missed the '88 Finals (could've been tied with Mike and gave Kareem one more than him), LeBron had a few Finals that could've gone either way. But we look at NBA greatness based upon these abstract tiers that were impacted by these tipping point moments that were outside of these individuals' control. We look at rows and columns and say Mike is better because he did this and they didn't without any context.
 
So you just figured you would make a strong push to end the year with the most stupid statement possible Huh? Swung for the fences like a motherfucker with this level of stupidity too! Might be in the running for the stupidest statement of the year! Let me check... Be right back!!
nah, some dude said "lebron james is the only player to beat tim duncan in the finals in 7 games".
 
If Jordan had not taken a break, he would have won 8 straight titles, easily. There will never be a player that wins 10 scoring titles in a row in 10 full seasons played. Just remember the first time you heard people talk about "hang time". You do not hear it anymore, because Jordan and Grant Hill (before injuries) were the only ones that really mastered the art of shooting on the way back down on a regular basis. People are really forgetting how many times changed direction, mid air, during each game. Ain't shit out here been close to Jordan, day in and day out.

If you grew up watching Jordan, Barry Sanders, and Mike Tyson, you got to realize, you will never see shit like that again in your lifetime, and nothing you have seen since is really impressive. Anybody who did not see them in there primes, ain't really seen shit. Jordan fucked it up for Kobe and Lebron.

Kobe had a lot of moves like Jordan, but Jordan never had to work as hard to score his points and he never shot "bail out" jumpshots like Kobe. Kobe was as fast as Jordan, but if you look at old Jordan footage, Jordan was more under control, and much stronger.

Jordan was outplaying NBA Allstars with ease when he was still in college. You can't make this shit up.



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I think Wilt was the GOAT.

Anybody that you have in your Top 10 All-Time could probably be someone else's GOAT...
Wilt Chamberlain was great, I'm not debating that. But, he was playing in a league with all white people which equates to me playing in a league with a bunch of Oompa Loompas. Imagine if he was allowed to dunk, which was outlawed at that time I believe.
 
To an extent.....yes it is. Yet one cannot deny that was some absolutely horrible basketball played during that era.

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Yeah but you can only beat the people you play. It wasn't Jordan's fault. I mean look at Bron and the Cavs. Nobody in the East is really challenging them but nobody diminishes his greatness for that. Can't do that Jordan either.
 
number 9.. mj actually had the wizards ranked number 5 in the east for the first 62 games of the season than he got injured and missed the last 20 games and his team completely collapsed without him and missed the playoffs

No excuses missing the playoffs in the weak East with a team YOU built. What about the following year? Jordan as a Wizard is almost as bad as Jordan the GM. Keith Van Horn has the most wins against MJ and he got them those 2 years.

number 10 didn't the orlando magic make it to the final?? so why would they exactly call expansion bad for the nba..in fact the heat were rivals to the knicks in the mid 90's

Orlando had a 4 year run. Heat became good when Riles came, so for the first 5 years of the 90s they were ass. Add in TWolves, Raptors, Hornets, Grizzlies and thats up to 20+ easy wins a year in the 90s. By 98 there were 6 NBA teams with 20 wins or less. HORRIBLE basketball.

number 6.. suns had the nba mvp charles barkley, at the time the nba 3 point record season holder that yr in dan marle, kj who was prob the 4th best pg in the nba during that era(he got over shadow by magic, zeke, stockton all hall of famers), richard dumas was actually a rookie of the yr candidate that yr, mark west i believe was top 5 in shot blocks that season, they also had the vet tom chambers..that team led the league in scoring as well had the best record in the nba at 63 and 19..so how was that team not good

They were real good but not great. 1 of if not the worst defensive team to make a Final, and never came close to going back. Contrast that with all time great teams Magic, Larry, Wilt, LeBron have seen in Finals. Teams that actually won a chip before.

number 1 the bulls added toni kukoc 1 of the best foreign ball players and considered the crotian jordan, pete myers averaged a lil like 10 points a game.. so technically with these two additions they were not the same exact squad in previous yrs.. in fact a lot of people was talking about breaking the celtic nba consecutive final champion record when people knew kukoc was gonna join the squad the yr b4..they already knew he was gonna add a new offensive weapon to the squad

It was the same team save those 2 additions. Kukoc was a bench scorer most of his NBA career and Myers was ass. Pippen carried the Bulls to the 2nd round and finished 3rd for MVP. The writer is correct that when other great players left their teams there was noticeable drop off the following year. With Phil still there, Pip still there, same role players like Grant and Armstrong Bulls still were a playoff team unlike the MJ led Wizards.

number 7 he lost to the dynasty celtics..pretty much everybody lost to the dynasty celtics..name a player who could personally by himself beat bird, mchale, parish by in a best of 5??

He didnt lose to the Cs. He got blown out and swept by the Cs. None of the series were competitive. Isiah, Magic, Dr. J, Moncrief are examples of players who either beat the Celtics or had competitive series with him. MJs struggles with the Cs highlight that he needs the best teammates just to compete (see the Wizard years for further proof). Beating the Cs was unlikely but those series shouldve went at least 4-5 games.

number 8 he averaged 6 assist and shot over 50 percent..he was a sg..keyword "shooting" guard which means he's suppose to take shots

bring on troll bait

Which is why I say he's the greatest SG to ever play but not even top 20 as far as greatest all around players. His greatness was scoring ONLY. He could do other things but didnt dominate those areas and had teammates who did those things better. Thats not a knock, just reality. He needed a lot of help.

Jordan absolutely should be in the GOAT discussion, but to imply no one else should is where his fans go overboard. And 99% of the time their knowledge on those before him is limited.
 
No excuses missing the playoffs in the weak East with a team YOU built. What about the following year? Jordan as a Wizard is almost as bad as Jordan the GM. Keith Van Horn has the most wins against MJ and he got them those 2 years.



Orlando had a 4 year run. Heat became good when Riles came, so for the first 5 years of the 90s they were ass. Add in TWolves, Raptors, Hornets, Grizzlies and thats up to 20+ easy wins a year in the 90s. By 98 there were 6 NBA teams with 20 wins or less. HORRIBLE basketball.



They were real good but not great. 1 of if not the worst defensive team to make a Final, and never came close to going back. Contrast that with all time great teams Magic, Larry, Wilt, LeBron have seen in Finals. Teams that actually won a chip before.



It was the same team save those 2 additions. Kukoc was a bench scorer most of his NBA career and Myers was ass. Pippen carried the Bulls to the 2nd round and finished 3rd for MVP. The writer is correct that when other great players left their teams there was noticeable drop off the following year. With Phil still there, Pip still there, same role players like Grant and Armstrong Bulls still were a playoff team unlike the MJ led Wizards.



He didnt lose to the Cs. He got blown out and swept by the Cs. None of the series were competitive. Isiah, Magic, Dr. J, Moncrief are examples of players who either beat the Celtics or had competitive series with him. MJs struggles with the Cs highlight that he needs the best teammates just to compete (see the Wizard years for further proof). Beating the Cs was unlikely but those series shouldve went at least 4-5 games.



Which is why I say he's the greatest SG to ever play but not even top 20 as far as greatest all around players. His greatness was scoring ONLY. He could do other things but didnt dominate those areas and had teammates who did those things better. Thats not a knock, just reality. He needed a lot of help.

Jordan absolutely should be in the GOAT discussion, but to imply no one else should is where his fans go overboard. And 99% of the time their knowledge on those before him is limited.
magic never beat the celtics without worthy and kareem, zeke never beat them without dumars, dr j without moses.. once again name me a person who defeated the celtics without another all star on their squad who was in their prime.. jordan lost to the dynasty celtics who actually won chips..magic, dr j, and zeke lost to them with their full squad so imagine how they would've lost to them without them

jordan led the league in steals and got a defensive player of the yr award.. he averaged 30 6 6 2.. 30 points 6 rebs, 6 assist, 2+ stls a game.. that's doin it from all sides of the ball.. he even had seasons when he averaged more than 1 block a season..so that's points, rebs, assist, stls with 50 percent shooting and over 80 percent from the line..almost no other player average those stats in the league

you say missing the last 20 games of the season is no excuse for your team to go full shitty without your presense felt interesting.. so if bird, magic, zeke all didn't play in the playoffs during their title runs and their team loss would u say it was no excuse for the celtics to fail without bird, lakers fail without magic, detroit fail without zeke?? in fact goin by you i'm gonna use ya argument and say i don't ever wanna hear that the laker squad that lost to the bulls in the finals was old or washed up cause if u expect a 40 yr old jordan to take the wizards far i'd expect a 30+ yr old magic and worthy to defeat the young bulls.. you see how i'll use ya argument against ya:D:D:D
 
Stopped reading after this:

"In my mind, players like Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, and (with a couple more titles) Lebron James all have an equally good stake at claiming the highly coveted title of “GOAT” – Greatest of All Time. "

:hmm: Don't make an article going at Jordan and mention the most overrated player in NBA history. Played on stacked teams and couldn't even shoot over 50 percent as a big man. Adjusting for pace, his stats aren't comparable to any other player who is mentioned as GOAT. He says ESPN has lied to us, but he is falling for the biggest lie being passed around in basketball.
 
If Jordan had not taken a break, he would have won 8 straight titles, easily. There will never be a player that wins 10 scoring titles in a row in 10 full seasons played. Just remember the first time you heard people talk about "hang time". You do not hear it anymore, because Jordan and Grant Hill (before injuries) were the only ones that really mastered the art of shooting on the way back down on a regular basis. People are really forgetting how many times changed direction, mid air, during each game. Ain't shit out here been close to Jordan, day in and day out.

If you grew up watching Jordan, Barry Sanders, and Mike Tyson, you got to realize, you will never see shit like that again in your lifetime, and nothing you have seen since is really impressive. Anybody who did not see them in there primes, ain't really seen shit. Jordan fucked it up for Kobe and Lebron.

Kobe had a lot of moves like Jordan, but Jordan never had to work as hard to score his points and he never shot "bail out" jumpshots like Kobe. Kobe was as fast as Jordan, but if you look at old Jordan footage, Jordan was more under control, and much stronger.

Jordan was outplaying NBA Allstars with ease when he was still in college. You can't make this shit up.



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