raw data of rich people's minds is priceless
you have to be able to afford this place
and once there youre free to do what you REALLY want to do
all that raw data
HBO's Westworld (Official) Season 4 discussion thread (Full trailer 6/16/22) drops 6/26/22
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raw data of rich people's minds is priceless
you have to be able to afford this place
and once there youre free to do what you REALLY want to do
all that raw data
"maybe actual people that were sacrificed like Bernard" When Maeve had flashbacks of her and her child being killed that shit seemed like a hell of a script to have kids being killed at a theme park
It kills me how people say something is predictable after a big twist has been revealed... like OMG I knew it the entire time even though I never brought up my theory in the thread.
Trump isn't serious, the system is rigged, Hillary is going to win. after the election
I knew Trump was going to win, Hillary was not the right candidate.
this isn't the article, but it's close.
1. When The Man in Black rescues Teddy by saving him with freshly murdered Lawrence's blood, he discusses what the hosts used to be like when he first came to the park 30 some years ago, saying that now they are flesh and blood. When William arrives at the park, the hosts are flesh and blood and are NOT prototypes as they would have been 30 years prior.
2. William clearly cares for Dolores in his storyline, he cares so much that he leaves his brother-in-law Logan behind in Pariah to be maimed by angry hosts to instead run away with Dolores. If he cares that much for her, why would he later repeatedly torture and rape her as The Man In Black?
3. This was the first time we saw William "break bad" - which some people thought was a pre-curser to becoming inherently evil like the Man In Black. However, William was instigated heavily by Logan and only reacted to him by pushing him up against a wall. He did not change how he treated the rest of the hosts. He continues to treat the hosts like real people and with respect, unlike most visitors to the park.
4. In an earlier episode, Stubbs mentions how far Dolores has traveled from Sweetwater with William around the same time that he also approved the pyrotechnics request from the Man in Black. We believe that Stubbs is in fact a human and not a host.
5. Finally, in the latest promo for what's to come in the weeks ahead, we see Dolores comes face-to-face with the Man in Black, wearing the new cowboy clothes she had on while she was with William as opposed to the dainty blue dress she usually wears in her normal, boring little loop.
Remember we pointed out that Dolores changing her clothes was symbolic for her awakening into the "person" she is meant to be?
All of the above, of course, does not negate the fact that Westworld is not telling a linear story, which is common for both of the showrunners. There could be two different storylines, because we just can't seem to ignore the different logos.
However both showrunners Joy and Nolan have said that they leave details as ambigious as possible to keep viewers guessing, but also that every details will eventually make sense. They may be leading us to believe that William and the Man In Black are the same person, only to shock us with an unforseen twist that proves they are not.
1. When The Man in Black rescues Teddy by saving him with freshly murdered Lawrence's blood, he discusses what the hosts used to be like when he first came to the park 30 some years ago, saying that now they are flesh and blood. When William arrives at the park, the hosts are flesh and blood and are NOT prototypes as they would have been 30 years prior.
2. William clearly cares for Dolores in his storyline, he cares so much that he leaves his brother-in-law Logan behind in Pariah to be maimed by angry hosts to instead run away with Dolores. If he cares that much for her, why would he later repeatedly torture and rape her as The Man In Black?
3. This was the first time we saw William "break bad" - which some people thought was a pre-curser to becoming inherently evil like the Man In Black. However, William was instigated heavily by Logan and only reacted to him by pushing him up against a wall. He did not change how he treated the rest of the hosts. He continues to treat the hosts like real people and with respect, unlike most visitors to the park.
4. In an earlier episode, Stubbs mentions how far Dolores has traveled from Sweetwater with William around the same time that he also approved the pyrotechnics request from the Man in Black. We believe that Stubbs is in fact a human and not a host.
5. Finally, in the latest promo for what's to come in the weeks ahead, we see Dolores comes face-to-face with the Man in Black, wearing the new cowboy clothes she had on while she was with William as opposed to the dainty blue dress she usually wears in her normal, boring little loop.
Remember we pointed out that Dolores changing her clothes was symbolic for her awakening into the "person" she is meant to be?
All of the above, of course, does not negate the fact that Westworld is not telling a linear story, which is common for both of the showrunners. There could be two different storylines, because we just can't seem to ignore the different logos.
However both showrunners Joy and Nolan have said that they leave details as ambigious as possible to keep viewers guessing, but also that every details will eventually make sense. They may be leading us to believe that William and the Man In Black are the same person, only to shock us with an unforseen twist that proves they are not.
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thanks...makes sense
hell yea
I'm going to need to watch the Season finale before I can call this one. Again... as last episode taught us... You cant Trust anything that you see that involves the Hosts.
I don't know what it is but this is the sexist that she has ever been to me and I've always thought she was bad.
Man thandies nipples are gods treasures.
Man ok.. the scientists might have done one of the dumbest things that I've seen. Why give mave this type of power.
Man what the shit... all kinds of nuggets were dropped in this episode.
Oh shit... the pattern that Bernard pulled up on mave minds showing fragmentation is similar to pattern to the MAZE. 
And this episode knocked out some theories and created some more.
The one thing that it still didn't completely eliminate was William being the man in black. The key phrase being that MIB stated that he has been with his Wife for 30 years... which is the same amount of time that he has been coming to the park.
William was engaged the first time that he came to the park. So if William's story is in the past then... he would be married when he comes back from the park. So technically it's still possible.
Also it looks like Ford definitely installed the reverie program in her.
But the key phrase was Ford saying "An old trick from an old friend" was that referring to Arnold.
And this episode knocked out some theories and created some more.
The one thing that it still didn't completely eliminate was William being the man in black. The key phrase being that MIB stated that he has been with his Wife for 30 years... which is the same amount of time that he has been coming to the park.
William was engaged the first time that he came to the park. So if William's story is in the past then... he would be married when he comes back from the park. So technically it's still possible.
Also it looks like Ford definitely installed the reverie program in her.
But the key phrase was Ford saying "An old trick from an old friend" was that referring to Arnold.
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I fucking knew that was Lilli Simmons hot ass from Banshee.
The Asian dude needs to die asap.
I don't understand how Bernard killed the other chick when he was on the phone with her just before she got snatched.
Side note.. something occurred tonight which confirms my timeline theory is right. Other than the fact that Delores saw the same town this is covered in dust that is currently being dug up by Ford for his new storyline... is the fact that the same host that greeted William when he first arrived is the same chick that MIB said "I thought they retired you a long time ago"...
You can't trust anything that you have seen from Bernard. He only see what he needs to see. Remember we also saw him in a room talking to his Wife on the vid phone. That never happened.
I thought it was pointed out that the man in black couldn't be William? It could be his brother in law. I think MIB story fits him a little better.
I think this episode confirms that it could still be william.. I'm also taking into account what was said about the hands... but again... the key is that you can't trust anything that you see or hear from an invididual character. You have to take all the bits from all the characters to get a picture of the story.
For some reason I'm still leaning on it being Logan...
Personally I don't think it's William...
Just going off Logans comments to William about the history of the park in episode 2. But I definitely think that we have 3 different timelines going one.
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She is one of the oldest in the park and was there when Arnold died. The mystery is why? Ford dropped some hints today that revealed a lot of why she is important but I'm not going to get spoilery right now. Something tells me that this episode is going to be pivotal on repeat viewings after the season finals.
This is a slow burn show like lost. You have to watch it like mystery novel until the big reveal.
I swear I'm beginning to hate him in real life and I know it's stupid but I really do! I don't know if this analogy works but it's like holding a loaded gun to someone's head and being afraid to pull the trigger cuz the person tells you if you shoot he's going to kill you.
Oh shit... the pattern that Bernard pulled up on mave minds showing fragmentation is in a similar to pattern to the MAZE.
Yeah, that stood out to me as well.
This backs up what some have already theorized (some potential spoilers):
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Yeah I agree I think WW is slow and some of it is predictable and unnecessary drawn out. I know they got to fill a season but their constant use of scene repetition with slight details seems too me more of a function of bad writing & character development designed to eat up time on screen than actual story telling. Just think about it for a few minutes. Most of the actual events, dialogue or plot reveals or character development is less than 10 mins of time on screen. The rest fills like filler time designed to each up screen time.
Take Mauve character (Thandie Newton), suddenly she's aware and menacing the technicians to a point where she is in control and running them? The two techs assigned to her are horribly written characters. One is geeked about her and lets her do what she wants, the other is all talk but a bitch inside and afraid of her. Nothing seems to suggest that these two idiots would not have been properly vetted for their personality weakness and weeded out before giving such clearance to work in their department. She is a host that still can be turned on and off and as sophisticated as she may appear still is built by humans which suggest she can be controlled by some fail safe mechanism. My question is why not turn her off, report her as malfunctioned, completely wipe her memory, destroy her physically via the head, or some other maneuver, and move on? As sophisticated as the park is I’m sure someone /something is monitoring her whereabouts at all times and would notice she is spending a mad amount of time with the two technicians in question.
With such overlapping security and protocols in place, it seems like anything they do, change, or try would have been discovered earlier on due to the overlapping security protocols in place. Nothing about Mauve suggest she would be on some super clever shit, etc., etc. I believe her character is poorly written and designed to burn up screen time as oppose to really move her story/character fwd. In the end, she is just a hooker with a heart and burden soul who for reasons not really written well is questioning her reality. Naw I'm good.
Take Mauve character (Thandie Newton), suddenly she's aware and menacing the technicians to a point where she is in control and running them? The two techs assigned to her are horribly written characters. One is geeked about her and lets her do what she wants, the other is all talk but a bitch inside and afraid of her. Nothing seems to suggest that these two idiots would not have been properly vetted for their personality weakness and weeded out before giving such clearance to work in their department. She is a host that still can be turned on and off and as sophisticated as she may appear still is built by humans which suggest she can be controlled by some fail safe mechanism. My question is why not turn her off, report her as malfunctioned, completely wipe her memory, destroy her physically via the head, or some other maneuver, and move on? As sophisticated as the park is I’m sure someone /something is monitoring her whereabouts at all times and would notice she is spending a mad amount of time with the two technicians in question.
With such overlapping security and protocols in place, it seems like anything they do, change, or try would have been discovered earlier on due to the overlapping security protocols in place. Nothing about Mauve suggest she would be on some super clever shit, etc., etc. I believe her character is poorly written and designed to burn up screen time as oppose to really move her story/character fwd. In the end, she is just a hooker with a heart and burden soul who for reasons not really written well is questioning her reality. Naw I'm good.
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