NBA Offseason 2016 - FreeAgency money dried up...Waiters gets $2.6 after OKC pulled $6+ offer...

Or maybe its what I've been saying all along, all you need is two superstars and a team filled with very good specialist and roll players... Where the superstars make the role players better while the role players allow the stars to become superstars.... In the Cavs case just as long as JR Smith is pulling his defender outside the paint, and creating lanes in the process, he is doing his job, even if he never scores a paint..
But if you don't understand how the game is played this will fly over your heard...
 
Man what the fuck are you talking about? Matter fact, I dont even care
You are judging JR Smith value to the team based off of his stats, when I just proved that he and most of the Cavs players not named James and Irvin worth is a lot greater than their numbers...
You don't win championships with number, you win it with a team effort, and great teams often sacrifice numbers for victories...
 
so are you just missing when barnes was rookie and he was killing the spurs and denver in the playoffs?

The next year Mark Jackson benched him and that fucked him up
Missing him having 2 good games in a losing series and poor efficiency? Nah.. I remember.. theres a thread on it here somewhere... Jarrett Jack balled that series at a higher level.. 2 good playoff showings in a losing effort 4 years ago doesnt forgive everything since then. Nor should it be used t compare to Harden, an all star, and 6th man of the year who BEAT the Spurs and advanced his team to the finals.
 
Bruh, I didnt even quote you tho lol.......I know you a GS fan so you watched the games.
I said as rookie he was cooking because amajor was acting like he never showed potential
How many rookies come in and avg dam near a double double as 3 rd option vs a Spurs team tho??

you got dam right he's worth 95 mill? You see this contracts of dudes who you never heard of are getting? Mather Dell getting 40? Yup he's worth 95 mill in this NBA. Kent Bazemore couldn't get PT over him but he gets 70?

95 though man lol.
well ill put it like this. he's not worth 95 million to the warriors. mavs ok. warriors nah.
 
Im not missing it.
He been starting these past 2 years though right?
Fam. All he has to do is score on the cavs 3rd best defender. that's all he has to do. score on that dude. and he couldn't do it. and you suggesting he's worth 95 million?
if this dude could score 18 points every night the warriors would win comfortably every single time out. we're actually BETTER when everyone is dropping 10-12ppg but you can't trust a dude who open up 5-5 in the 1st quarter
and then 0-13 the rest of the game lol
I think what did it for me and we talked about this before. Barnes had several chances to show he was the man. When Curry got hurt in the Houston series, He instantly became the second option. Barnes did nothing.

Curry got Hurt again with the MCL sprain and I am like ok we got this. Dubs going to be alright because Barnes is going to step up. Again He was a none factor. I always tune into the Chad, Jo and Lo show on 97.5 in the mornings and man I got the sense that the entire city was fed up with Barnes.

Especially during the finals. Dubs my bandwagon team and Barnes had me wanting to split his shit. I can't imagine how dedicated fans feel. Curry is my favorite player and I love yall style of play. Just hope yall make a good decision. I wish they would have snatched up Courtney Lee and moved klay to the 3
 
Or maybe its what I've been saying all along, all you need is two superstars and a team filled with very good specialist and roll players... Where the superstars make the role players better while the role players allow the stars to become superstars.... In the Cavs case just as long as JR Smith is pulling his defender outside the paint, and creating lanes in the process, he is doing his job, even if he never scores a paint..
But if you don't understand how the game is played this will fly over your heard...
Man JR Smith is making 7 million a year. Max him at 24 million and let us know how you feel about him
 
Man what the fuck are you talking about? Matter fact, I dont even care
Road Rage tripping. JR Smith making 7 million a year. He would be singing a different tune if he was Maxed out at 24 million.

But I think the Dubs almost forced to match Barnes. They won 73 games and a bucket from winning another title. So I guess he is worth something.
 
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Solid team. Ainge has let to bring in a star caliber player. Y'all need a rim protector. Hordford gotta be hoping he can slide to the 4 after playing center for so long.

maybe amir jonhson is coming back...super excited man..although i wasn't impressed with horford in the post season against the celtics..he is an upgrade over sully any day of the week...
 
Happy that a black man got to achieve one of his dreams. You wouldn't understand that boss hog.
You just trying to find an excuse to ease the pain from the lost. Face it man yall got embarrassed. That lost will hurt forever. Draymond Green said it himself that it will hurt him for the rest of his life losing like that after being up 3-1 with home court advantage and still losing.
 
I think overall Barnes is a better player and has more potential

Parsons has peaked and he thinks he is a superstar

I'm glad he is gone

His numbers and Barnes numbers are similar and Barnes was like the 4th option at best

Parsons been our #2 the last two seasons and ain't been about shit

Barnes dribbling is so awful tho that's the only thing Parsons clearly has him on
This is a good assessment. I saw Barnes for two years at UNC and his dribbling was atrocious. I still have a hard time wondering why he was ranked so high coming out of high school. When he used to drive, us fans use to cringe. He has no dribble drive. We thought he would improve once in the NBA in this regard.
That said, he has good athleticism, can dunk with ferocity on an open court, has a killer drop step he relied on his frosh yr, keeps defenses honest with a decent three point shooter, has tools to be a good defender, and a good jump shooter. If he had handles though, he would be scoring 20+. Right now, he's a solid third option at best BUT you should never count on him to take over a game in the NBA (even though at UNC he was very clutch, believe it or not. Made a lot of game winners) He needs to be set up to score.
 
turner got more than a 100 percent raise..dude was making 3 mill in boston. he was almost outta the league before boston picked him up..

Exactly he was considered a bust who was a great college player, but that's it.

Now he's making crazy money. Same with Kent Bazemore. It's crazy dudes who were just battling to stay in the league now are making so much.

If I'm all these players I'm firing my agent for not signing a deal specifically so I could set it up where I become a free agent over the next two years.
 
Exactly he was considered a bust who was a great college player, but that's it.

Now he's making crazy money. Same with Kent Bazemore. It's crazy dudes who were just battling to stay in the league now are making so much.

If I'm all these players I'm firing my agent for not signing a deal specifically so I could set it up where I become a free agent over the next two years.
Yup... furthering my point on Jeff dumbass signing a one year deal.
 
This is a good assessment. I saw Barnes for two years at UNC and his dribbling was atrocious. I still have a hard time wondering why he was ranked so high coming out of high school. When he used to drive, us fans use to cringe. He has no dribble drive. We thought he would improve once in the NBA in this regard.
That said, he has good athleticism, can dunk with ferocity on an open court, has a killer drop step he relied on his frosh yr, keeps defenses honest with a decent three point shooter, has tools to be a good defender, and a good jump shooter. If he had handles though, he would be scoring 20+. Right now, he's a solid third option at best BUT you should never count on him to take over a game in the NBA (even though at UNC he was very clutch, believe it or not. Made a lot of game winners) He needs to be set up to score.

Son

He's literally the worst dribbler I've seen 6'8 and under in my recent memory. It baffles me how he hasn't improved dribbling. Can you be too uncoordinated to dribble? Is it something mentally when people start reaching?

Everytime he puts the ball on the court you have to pray he's not going to fuck it up. It needs to be only one or two dribbles.

Looking at that draft class now. It was a week class. Tobias Harris, Sullinger, Brandon Knight, Dion, Tristan Thompson. Terrance Jones....

Kyrie is the only all star

Looking at that class...you re-rank it and he's still number two.

That's why most of these kids I take rankings with a grain of salt. I'm able to see a lot of them. Him being number one maybe, but knowledgeable college writers saying he was going to be first team all american and NPOY? It shows me they never saw him actually play or can't judge talent.

That being said, Harrison had a solid two years and it's not fault they put those lofty expectations on his back which became a burden.
 
If Durant is truly considering deciding as soon as tonight. then Heat hardly enter meetings in position of strength (let alone cap).


It's starting to look like Riley's meeting with Durant could come down to, "Just don't sign with Celtics." Clips look out after their moves.
 
why doesnt anyone want to take Mark Cuban's money?
  • he is a good owner who wants to win.
  • treats his players very well and has some of the best facilities in the NBA
  • a great coach who gets the best out of his players
  • no state taxes in Dallas
is still fucked Karma for breaking up the championship team?
 
Al Horford changes everything for the Celtics
By Paul Flannery@Pflanns on Jul 3, 2016, 8:24a 1

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The stigma that Boston couldn’t land a major free agent is gone now. So is the critique that the Celtics lack a star. Al Horford changes all of that.

With one deft maneuver, theBoston Celticsimproved their present and revitalized their future. The team that couldn’t sign big-name free agents just added one of the biggest on the market. The team without a top-20 player now has a four-time All-Star on its roster. And to think it was only 10 days ago when owner Wyc Grousbeck was booed on draft night by his own fans. Life comes at you fast.

All of the things that were true beforethe Celtics came to terms with Al Horford on a 4-year, $113 million deal are still in place. That is, they have a brilliant coach to go with a versatile and deep team and a cache of draft picks. But now they have a star and stars change everything. Not to mention, they have a star who didn’t force Danny Ainge to deal any of his core players or prime picks.

The Celtics are legit now in a way they weren’t before landing Horford. He not only gives them a defensive presence on the backline and a versatile offensive threat, but he also gives them credibility both now and in the future. For all the banners and lore and tradition of playing in Boston, their biggest free agent moves to date had been signing aging veterans like Rasheed Wallace and Jermaine O’Neal, or useful role players like James Posey and Amir Johnson. (You can throw Dominique Wilkins or Xavier McDaniel in there if you like, but that’s so last century.)




The team has always believed that their inability to lure big-time free agents to Boston said less about their circumstances than their opportunities. They weren’t in the running because they weren’t good and when they were good, they didn’t have any cap space. It was only last summer when they finally renounced long-dormant cap holds and officially freed up space. Semantics aside, until they landed a prime free agent the stigma was not going away.

Horford changes that narrative now and forever. He was a top-5 free agent and the biggest (so far) to change teams this summer. Thanks to Horford, the Celtics can now rightly boast of being the modern destination franchise they always believed they were. And with Horford in place, Ainge now has a significant drawing card to entice the ultimate free agent prize in Kevin Durant.

Even if he doesn’t land KD, Ainge has positioned his team to be a power in the Eastern Conference for the next few years. They may be closer to theRaptors than they are the Cavaliersin the conference hierarchy at the moment, but at the very least they have separated themselves from the muddled middle while dealing a serious blow to the team that knocked them out of the playoffs. (Long live the pace-and-space Hawks. It was a good run.)

Horford’s numbers are not overwhelming, but he has always been a true hoops connoisseur’s idea of a star and his presence solves a ton of problems for the Celtics. He’s a terrific mid-range shooter and a tremendous passer, all of which makes him an ideal pick-and-pop partner for Isaiah Thomas. Even with a top-10 offense, the C’s were one of the worst shooting teams in the league as evidenced by ranking 24th in effective field goal percentage. Now imagine Horford spotting up from 18 feet or hitting Avery Bradley on backdoor cuts from the high post.

His defense has long been his calling card, and while he’s undersized for a center, Horford is a master of positioning and should play well with Boston’s ballhawking guards. Even without a defensive anchor of Horford’s caliber, the Celtics still ranked fourth in points allowed per 100 possessions. This is a good team that just became very good.

Of course, very good is not Ainge’s endgame. He and the ownership group want to contend for championships and they haven’t been shy in expressing that desire. Ever since Grousbeck hinted at fireworks entering the 2014 offseason, the Celtics have made an art form out of raising expectations and then failing to deliver the goods. Whether it was the failed pursuit of Kevin Love, the inability to swing a draft-day trade forJustise Winslow or any other rumored trade that never happened, Ainge and the Celtics have taken a pounding locally for not landing a marquee player. That changes now too.

If the Horford signing winds up being this summer’s finishing move, Ainge is still far from done in his ongoing quest to remake the roster. He has those picks and he has his core players, some of whom will look increasingly appealing next to a player of Horford’s caliber. Depending on a few variables -- such as Durant’s decision -- the Celtics could also have space and flexibility to go after a star in next year’s free agent class, which is much deeper, or continue to explore the trade market. He’ll still be selling a future, but now it’s one that’s tied to a much stronger present.
 
Raptors supposedly approached Sixers about Noel. Could bring Ross and others in return.
 
Al Horford is making more next season than Crowder, Smart, Jerebko, Olynyk, Hunter, Young, Mickey, and Rozier combined.
 
Yea/No

Yes, if they would've 3peated

Nope because he had some unfinished business in Cleveland

but you GOTTA give LeBron even MORE credit now in hindsight...

he actually tried to tell Riley and Arison about the cap bump YEARS in advance (like he tried to tell Melo and them)

looking back?

when Bron left and Riley had to over pay Bosh to keep him out of Dallas...

If Bron had STAYED even with a SICK Bosh they could have really made those numbers work ESPECIALLY since Bron and Wade were aways willing to take less.
 
Don't know but this is funny....


Reports: Clippers make offer to Jamal Crawford, he’s not impressed, likely to move on

what does he mean by not impressed..he needs to take that $$$ Crawford isn't young anymore i can't see him fitting anywhere but the clippers and maybe knicks or golden state.
 
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