Yeah, she's an idiot. She tipped her hand and showed what Robert Strong could do. The changed up the trail real quick after that.
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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He always knew she would leave - think back to how he met her and how she was -
instead of prayers -the bitch was reciting a personal "to kill" list every night
he offered to kill any 3 people she requested, she never gave him any names from her list -shit -The Moutain should have been an easy automatic one.... Tywin Lannister would have stopped the war.
before and after that she showed him she is a person that keeps her word
He knew vengeance lived in her - but trained her to plan and move without emotion or sentiment
And she never saw it coming lol. She walked away pleased with herself. walked into the room pleased with her show of strength
and it was stripped by her son.
He's worse than Joffrey ever was
If he stopped training her or never really trained her then why give the kill order if it weren't a part of the faceless men ritual.
Why would he say the girl is truly no one if he already knew that she was always Arya Stark and he seemed pleased when she states that. So, my real question is "who are the faceless men as "Vicious" stated in his poat.
Also, that order doesn't seem like one you can easily leave especially after having divulged many secrets in a order that is built on secrecy.
He always knew she would leave - think back to how he met her and how she was -
instead of prayers -the bitch was reciting a personal "to kill" list every night
he offered to kill any 3 people she requested, she never gave him any names from her list -shit -The Moutain should have been an easy automatic one.... Tywin Lannister would have stopped the war.
before and after that she showed him she is a person that keeps her word
He knew vengeance lived in her - but trained her to plan and move without emotion or sentiment
Ok. She had vengeance in her heart, but that doesn't mean she can't become a faceless man, and it still doesn't mean that she is not part of the order because as I have read there are many faceless men throughout the realm.
It would seem that the temple is the training ground for faceless men and both Arya and the Waif were in training with the victor becoming a faceless man. I know I may be reaching and that Star Wars shit is creeping into my explanation. I am just not sure as to why she could leave so easily, and why he called her 'no one" when he knows she is someone .
He never stopped training her he just did it knowing she wasn't going to stay.
You have to pass test in order to graduate. Arya thought her test was poisoning the actress, He knew she wouldn't do it. The test was killing waif or whatever her name is.
She passed.
now you can go on
You don't have to stay in the temple though lol. How many people have you seen in the temple the entire time they've shown it? They're everywhere and nowhere. She graduated the program. She can go. nobody is a prisoner. He himself wasn't in the temple when they met he was along for his travels.
This is what I was figuring
This is what I was alluding to... she is a faceless man and it was all part of the training. So my Star Wars Sith theory was valid.
Yea. I think the whole "letting her leave" thing wasn't the misunderstanding. She's leaving to go to westeros to be with her fam and fight for them. Only Bran knows if she'll be called upon to serve the many faced gods in the future but for now she just serves the starks with the tricks of the many faced gods
Replace the words 'faceless man' with the words 'top assassin'.
He was training her to become a 'top assassin' first & foremost.
Not the other way around.
So if you are a 'Top Assassin'... then being a 'faceless man' is just the BEST WAY to completely 'conceal your identity' before & after you go on a mission to kill a 'target'.
You don't necessarily need to be an 'assassin' to be a 'faceless man'.
But it HELPS ALOT to be a 'faceless man'... If you are an 'assassin'.
If Arya could kill another (fully-trained) assassin who is using the 'best techniques' in the whole land to eliminate her too at the same time.... someone who is also bigger & stronger and a MUCH better 'combatant' than she is... then there's really nothing left that Jaqen could teach her about becoming a 'top assassin'.
- she learned how to use additional weapons
- she learned how to stalk her targets
- she learned how to identify their weaknesses
- she learned how to live & fight well in total darkness
- she learned how to evade her enemies
- she learned how to 'hide in plain sight' (when she was a blind beggar)
- she learned how to use other people's faces & assume their identity
- she learned how to identify poisons 'by smell'alone
- she learned how to slip said poisons into her target's food without getting caught
- she learned how to lie convincingly
- she learned how to control her emotions
- she learned how to 'spring a trap' on a target
- she learned how to use the 'environment' to her advantage
- she learned all the rules of the many-faced God
The only 'credits' she prolly missed was for the Assassin-level class on making 'smoke bombs'.
Just saying.
The House of Black & White.
You either 'graduate'... or 'die trying'.
Literally.
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Face less owed arya a debt. He trained her to be better. He knew she wasn't going to stay.
She proved she can survive and actually learned some shit.
Faceless debt is repaid.
Fucking simple shit.
She proved she can survive and actually learned some shit.
Faceless debt is repaid.
Fucking simple shit.
now that she's going back home to get into the mix, things should improve... if nothing else, she's even more of a little badass at this point because of her time in Braavos. Took a lot of boring time to get there (her time at the House of Black & White up until she killed ser Meryn) but the Arya that goes back to Westeros will be a girl who has killed a knight, and a professional faceless killer, plus she has taken some damage and has battle scars, so she's no longer just a tough little girl. Hopefully they go with that hardcore from this point on.
Cersei is an idiot.She keep acting like she's smart,but she's not.
Her dumb ass tipped her hand,when she could of saved it for the trial by combat.
As,for Arya I liked the end of the episode,but her getting stabbed last week bothers me.How are you going to have her be careful for the past couple of years and all of a sudden she got careless.That doesn't make no sense to me
I understand the Waif has more training than Arya but even then,Arya should of known the old lady was someone from the Faceless Men.
Other than that,I'm glad Arya is going back to Westeros though.
Next week,I gotta see dumb ass Sansa trying to tell Jon what to do
This thread should have a poll on who is dumber between Sansa or Cercei
Her dumb ass tipped her hand,when she could of saved it for the trial by combat.
As,for Arya I liked the end of the episode,but her getting stabbed last week bothers me.How are you going to have her be careful for the past couple of years and all of a sudden she got careless.That doesn't make no sense to me
I understand the Waif has more training than Arya but even then,Arya should of known the old lady was someone from the Faceless Men.
Other than that,I'm glad Arya is going back to Westeros though.
Next week,I gotta see dumb ass Sansa trying to tell Jon what to do
This thread should have a poll on who is dumber between Sansa or Cercei
No reason to assume that the waif could fight without sight. I don't think that's part of faceless killer training 101.
Ayra lost her sight because she got greedy.
Shes headed west of Westeros actually
Cunt!
I googled Bernie Sparrow like a dumbass
That's a bit of a reach I think. He's already got Tommen under control. Tommen and Margaery need to establish an heir REGARDLESS of who Tommen listens to or not. Tommen is like 15/16 and Margaery is not much older, but the sooner you establish the bloodline the safer you are. Right now, the entire Baratheon (Lannister) line is one blade/cup of poison from non existence.
Agreed. The Douchebag Littlefinger version shows up.
He will DEFINITELY help the Starks beat the Boltons... but most likely double-cross them.... and claim Winterfell for himself, in the aftermath.
My theory, Littlefinger saves the day with the soldiers from the Vale. He asks in return to defeat the lannisters in kings landing and to put him on the throne. He will make sure all of Westeros is ready for the white walkers.
Some thoughts on Arya and the faceless men.
She's off the hook wit them, but she's not quite a full fledged member of the order. For one thing, she might know how to take a face off a dead person, but Jaqen explicitly told her she's not ready to learn the trick of applying some one else's face to her own. "A girl is not ready".
So why let her go. My theory is that her purpose in returning to Westeros matches with the purpose of the Faceless men. Some of the people on her list may be on their list as well. So 2 birds with one stone theory works in that scenario.
This also ties into her showdown with the Waif. Prior to the murder of the actress, Arya is still thinking of going somewhere other than Westeros (West of Westeros) and just assuming another life. Her battle with the Waif reminded her that she can't just run away and that she needs to go home.
By, the way, She handled that fight exactly like Batman would have against a stronger opponent. Move to familiar ground that you've prepared in advance and take away any of the advantages your opponent has as you can.
She's off the hook wit them, but she's not quite a full fledged member of the order. For one thing, she might know how to take a face off a dead person, but Jaqen explicitly told her she's not ready to learn the trick of applying some one else's face to her own. "A girl is not ready".
So why let her go. My theory is that her purpose in returning to Westeros matches with the purpose of the Faceless men. Some of the people on her list may be on their list as well. So 2 birds with one stone theory works in that scenario.
This also ties into her showdown with the Waif. Prior to the murder of the actress, Arya is still thinking of going somewhere other than Westeros (West of Westeros) and just assuming another life. Her battle with the Waif reminded her that she can't just run away and that she needs to go home.
By, the way, She handled that fight exactly like Batman would have against a stronger opponent. Move to familiar ground that you've prepared in advance and take away any of the advantages your opponent has as you can.
Replace the words 'faceless man' with the words 'top assassin'.
He was training her to become a 'top assassin' first & foremost.
Not the other way around.
So if you are a 'Top Assassin'... then being a 'faceless man' is just the BEST WAY to completely 'conceal your identity' before & after you go on a mission to kill a 'target'.
You don't necessarily need to be an 'assassin' to be a 'faceless man'.
But it HELPS ALOT to be a 'faceless man'... If you are an 'assassin'.
If Arya could kill another (fully-trained) assassin who is using the 'best techniques' in the whole land to eliminate her too at the same time.... someone who is also bigger & stronger and a MUCH better 'combatant' than she is... then there's really nothing left that Jaqen could teach her about becoming a 'top assassin'.
Shhheeeiiittttt... That should be enough to get a 'diploma' from Shiesty State University of Braavos.
- she learned how to use additional weapons
- she learned how to stalk her targets
- she learned how to identify their weaknesses
- she learned how to live & fight well in total darkness
- she learned how to evade her enemies
- she learned how to 'hide in plain sight' (when she was a blind beggar)
- she learned how to use other people's faces & assume their identity
- she learned how to identify poisons 'by smell'alone
- she learned how to slip said poisons into her target's food without getting caught
- she learned how to lie convincingly
- she learned how to control her emotions
- she learned how to 'spring a trap' on a target
- she learned how to use the 'environment' to her advantage
- she learned all the rules of the many-faced God
The only 'credits' she prolly missed was for the Assassin-level class on making 'smoke bombs'.
Just saying.
The House of Black & White.
You either 'graduate'... or 'die trying'.
Thank you for this - I have read and heard many people say they are disappointed with the Ayra/ Faceless Men storyline that is sort of fell flat. But you have succinctly stated what I have felt about it, Jaqen Haqar knew that both Ayra and the Waif had issues - Ayra with letting go and the Waif with some sort of jealously of Ayra which means that she also was NO ONE - they both claimed to be NO ONE but neither was honest - she was resentful of Arya and it turned to hate - Now Jaqen Haqar sent her on a test - take the life and don't let her suffer - But the Waif failed that test because she hated Ayra so she gut stabbed when she had a choice of slit her throat. This was her downfall, Ayra was a lot stronger than she thought and also more crafty.
When Ayra brought back the Waif's face - Jaqen final test was to say she was No One - and she honestly said she was Ayra Stark of Winterfell - He wanted her to be honest about who she was and that fact that she was someone - who could be No One if needed. Hiding in plain sight -
Finally, the List has another named scratched off - She added the Waif and now she is dead.
Ayra is the Light Yagami of Westeros
So while reading recaps of last nights episode I stumbled upon a post on the web that with a season six prediction that made me say "OH Shit". Mostly because it ALL adds up with the foreshadowing we've been getting, to all the characters motivations, and current trend of events happening. I'm gonna spoiler protect it, but honestly they've been dropping hints all along
Thoughts?
So I'm gonna state right out front what the prediction is and then provide supporting evidence step by step
First of the prediction is specific to the events in Kings Landing. It doesn't deal with the events in the North or Essos.
Basically, Cersei having no more options to play in getting back control of Tommen, turns to despair and with Qyburn's urging and assistance, she gets a hold of the hidden cache's of wild fire and attempts to use it to destroy the high septon. Instead, Tommen is killed or kills himself and Cersei in her rage and anger decides to burn down the everything. Jaime returns from the River Lands just in time to stop Cersei, but has to kill her (possibly sacrificing himself) to stop the destruction.
After, I read that I thought that fits perfectly for the following reasons.
First of the prediction is specific to the events in Kings Landing. It doesn't deal with the events in the North or Essos.
Basically, Cersei having no more options to play in getting back control of Tommen, turns to despair and with Qyburn's urging and assistance, she gets a hold of the hidden cache's of wild fire and attempts to use it to destroy the high septon. Instead, Tommen is killed or kills himself and Cersei in her rage and anger decides to burn down the everything. Jaime returns from the River Lands just in time to stop Cersei, but has to kill her (possibly sacrificing himself) to stop the destruction.
After, I read that I thought that fits perfectly for the following reasons.
- The prophecy Cersei heard as a child clearly states that she will see all 3 of her children will die before she dies. The specific prophecy goes like this
Valonqar means "little brother" in Valyrian. Most people take this to mean Tyrion will kill her, but Jamie qualifies as well since he was born after Cersei.
- We know Cersei get's very fatalistic when she's run out of options. In Season 2 during Stannis's attack she was prepping for everyone to drink the red Kool Aid to avoid the ravages of Stannis's men as they took Kings Landing.
- Repeated forshadowing. In last night's episode, Jamie clearly foreshadows part of this by telling Edmere, "She would burn the city to ashes to save her child" In earlier seasons, Cersei has repeated said "She would let the city burn" or "burn x to the ground" before "X" happens.
- Jamie has also told Cersei, "We came in this world together and we will go out together"
- Just the epic irony of the final redemption of Jamie Lannister coming in the form of saving Kings Landing from being burned again, but only this time being forced to kill the only woman he's ever loved in order to do it. (That's some Hodor/Hold the door" level irony)
- Bran seems to have a vision earlier in the season which Wildfire is burning inside a building.
- EDIT: I forgot Cersei also ordered the Tower of the Hand be burned to the ground in Book 4 something the show runners elected not to show.
- The part of the prophecy that is in "bold" above is only in the book and not in the show. It's a curious omission by the show runners, but without it it makes the Jamie Lannister killing Cersei less likely. Then again it might have been omitted just because it's too specific. Either way it still could go down as the prediction states.
- Bran also has a vision where it looks like a Dragon's shadow is flying over Kings Landing. Could Dragon fire set off the wildfire?
- The show has lost main characters before, but two of the most popular/polarizing characters at once might be too bold a move. But lets face it, The Lannisters have to be cleared out of the way before the show's REAL conflict can become center stage.
Thoughts?
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More Arya theories?? Really?
Actually, Arya wore another face when she assassinated the knight, ser meryn last season. She also showed extreme resistance to pain from her training in that scene.
She's a graduate of the temple, passing her last test from the House of Black and White
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damn you're right. Am I just imagining the scene where he told her "A girl is not ready" when she asked about the faces?
nah that was before she had to fight for her life. now she going home.
If Massandre was real she'd slap Khaleesi if she flexed on her right about now
The dwarf can make a kid still
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