Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[Soufboy]

Valerian sword and someone who reads and remembers everything. Sam always matters. Remember he's the one that let everyone know dragon glass kills white walkers.

Exactly, knowledge is the ultimate power. Hell people forget Tyrion's whole character is based off of this concept. As he stated, "I drink, and I know things". Plus Varys and Littlefinger all have mastered this trait. Sam is that strategic thinker that fighters need to help formulate a winning strategy on the battlefield. His dad is too dumb to understand this. He thinks only brute strength is power.

 

[dawilleyone]

Not going to quote all of @grownazzblakman, but Jaquen and Syrio are more than likely the same person.

We never see Syrio get killed when he faced Meryn Trant. We know that Yoren had his pick of prisoners to recruit for the Wall. Quite possibly Syrio became Jaquen, and had Yoren take him prisoner so he could escape the Red Keep as a recruit for the Night's Watch.
Plus, something like this is typical GRRM. Most things come full circle for him.

I really hope they don't do this. There's nothing gained by it except cheap nod to fans who want to see one of their favorite minor characters resurrected.

Spoiler: Book Spoiler - Beware

In the books, The person calling himself Jaquen Hagar is not the same person who trains Arya in Bravos. It's strongly implied that Jaquen Hagar stays in Westeros to put in some work for the Nameless god. In fact it crosses over to Sam's storyline

 

[darth frosty]

King Tommen Just Lost The Game Of Thrones









Dani Di Placido , CONTRIBUTOR





Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.

For those who haven’t had the chance to watch last Sunday’s episode, be warned there are spoilers ahead.

In the latest episode of Game of Thrones, many of the characters chose to walk new paths. Some chose to be brave and stand their ground. Others, not so much. The good-yet-timid King Tommen handed control of the Seven Kingdoms, and his soul itself, to the High Sparrow and presumably gave a sigh of relief.



You have to give the High Sparrow credit. The man rose from low birth and made his way into King’s Landing, cultivated a dedicated following, publicly humiliated the Queen Mother and forced Queen Margaery to fake a religious awakening. And he did it all without wearing shoes. The man is a bit like an evil, medieval Bernie Sanders, indoctrinating all the youth into rallying against the one percent but replacing it with another rigged system. Say what you like about not-so-dearly departed King Joffrey, but he never would’ve allowed any of it to happen.



I have to admit it, I really miss Joffrey, the vile little brat. I don’t believe I’ve ever hated a fictional character to the extent I hated him. Joffrey was the perfect example of the dangers of hereditary monarchy (and inbreeding) a smug, spoiled little psychopath entitled with a terrifying amount of authority. He was even worse than Percy from The Green Mile and I hate that character so much I would happily punch the innocent actor who played him right in the face. Indeed, Jack Gleeson, the actor who played Joffrey, received an alarming amount of real-life hate for his character’s fictional misdeeds. Coincidently, he chose to quit acting forever the second his Game of Thrones role ended. His perfectly portrayed loathsomeness is the very reason I miss him so.

Joffrey imbued every scene he was present in with gut-tightening tension, a genuine, physical stress. There was real concern for whichever character he made eye contact with. The highly unstable power dynamic between him and Tyrion never stopped being captivating; the scene where Tyrion slapped him in the face may have been the most cathartic moment in the history of television. When Joffrey’s end finally came, it was glorious and deserved, yet as he clung to Cersei the viewer was reminded that this monster was just a little boy, spoilt rotten by his mother.



Joffrey’s demise left not only a power gap in Westeros but a central villain gap. His spiritual successor, Ramsay, may be an equally vile psychopath, but he’s not quite the same. There’s something almost dishonest about his violent outbursts. He seems to be enjoying himself a little too much, his performance sometimes veering toward the cackling pantomime villain. Joffrey felt real. The hateful boy was really the reflection of the flawed world around him; the parents who indulged his excesses, the violent, unquestioning soldiers and the corrupt system that allowed a teenager to sit on the most powerful seat in the land.





His royal successor, Tommen, is of course, his polar opposite. Sweet, polite, unsure of himself. Poor little Tommen turned to the gods to make his decisions for him, uncomfortable with the idea of ruling the Seven Kingdoms alone. It’ll be interesting to see how the High Sparrow abuses his new position of power, which he undoubtedly will.



Perhaps he’ll even inherit Joffrey’s dreadful crown and become the poster villain that the show requires. As repulsive as many of the characters are, Game of Thrones needs a central figure of hate to be at its best and, enjoyable as season six has been thus far, I need someone to get really angry about. I have high hopes for the High Sparrow, a man who embodies infuriating self-righteousness perfectly. He’s a man who uses twisted logic to justify hateful intolerance, deviously disguised as morality. We’ve all met that person before.



I may have been reeling for a while after Joffrey’s death, but I think I’m ready to hate again.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/danidip...just-lost-the-game-of-thrones/2/#321606302a72

 

[grownazzblakman]

I really hope they don't do this. There's nothing gained by it except cheap nod to fans who want to see one of their favorite minor characters resurrected.

Spoiler: Book Spoiler - Beware

In the books, The person calling himself Jaquen Hagar is not the same person who trains Arya in Bravos. It's strongly implied that Jaquen Hagar stays in Westeros to put in some work for the Nameless god. In fact it crosses over to Sam's storyline

Everything you typed as a book spoiler... Only spoils the books for readers. It's completely irrelevant to the show at this point.

At this point, it clearly doesn't make sense to compare 'book events' to the tv show which is 'doing its own thing'.

So How do you know for a fact that 'nothing is gained by it'... when the Showrunners are no longer following the books?

There's nothing stopping them from creating 'something to gain' now.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

At this point, it clearly doesn't make sense to compare 'book events' to the tv show which is 'doing its own thing'.

I've heard people say this before. It's a misnomer. The showrunners are taking their own path now, but ultimately they will end up at the final destination that GRRM has planned. It's insane to think that they are going to rewrite his story now that they've lapped him. They aren't going to make their own ending. They're taking a number of liberties for a number of different reasons because the show is its own entity, but this is still GRRM's story when it's all said and done.

 

[grownazzblakman]

I've heard people say this before. It's a misnomer. The showrunners are taking their own path now, but ultimately they will end up at the final destination that GRRM has planned. It's insane to think that they are going to rewrite his story now that they've lapped him. They aren't going to make their own ending. They're taking a number of liberties for a number of different reasons because the show is its own entity, but this is still GRRM's story when it's all said and done.

Dude, you are speaking as though you know for a fact how all the books will end.

You are not GRRM. Or a Showrunner.
None of us know what's in store next.... 'for a fact'.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Dude, you are speaking as though you know for a fact how all the books will end.

You are not GRRM. Or a Showrunner.
None of us know what's in store next.... 'for a fact'.

I don't need to be either. It's a story. Stories have a beginning, middle and end. The showrunners are showrunners. They aren't authors. They are adapting a novel. For TV, you have to take liberties. For a series as huge as ASOIAF, you have to take liberties. For 10 hours of programming a season, you have to take liberties. For three major storylines in one book, you have to take liberties. It would be asinine and insane to take the liberty to fundamentally change the way the book ends. A story is only as good as its ending, and I doubt the showrunners have the hubris to change how this story ultimately ends on a fundamental level.

 

[grownazzblakman]

I don't need to be either. It's a story. Stories have a beginning, middle and end. The showrunners are showrunners. They aren't authors. They are adapting a novel. For TV, you have to take liberties. For a series as huge as ASOIAF, you have to take liberties. For 10 hours of programming a season, you have to take liberties. For three major storylines in one book, you have to take liberties. It would be asinine and insane to take the liberty to fundamentally change the way the book ends. A story is only as good as its ending, and I doubt the showrunners have the hubris to change how this story ultimately ends on a fundamental level.

You do not KNOW how the books or the whole story ends... Because they have NOT even been WRITTEN yet by GRRM.

So the Showrunners cannot 'change' an ending that has not even been written.

There's still 2 tv seasons left... And they haven't even finished writing them yet... Nor have they finished filming pthem yet.

But don't let that stop you from assuming they are changing everything all around.

You must be the ONLY person in this entire thread who 'knows for fact'... How all the stories will end.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

You do not KNOW how the books or the whole story ends... Because they have NOT even been WRITTEN yet by GRRM.

So the Showrunners cannot 'change' an ending that has not even been written.

There's still 2 tv seasons left... And they haven't even finished writing them yet... Nor have they finished filming pthem yet.

But don't let that stop you from assuming they are changing everything all around.

Bear with me for a second. Toni Morrison said she never knows the endings of her books when she starts writing them. She lets the story tell itself. GRRM is NOT that type of writer.

Keep in mind, the first book dropped 20 years ago. I just finished rereading the first book and the sheer number of things that were foreshadowed from the first book is insane. Lady Stoneheart. Bran as the 3Eyed Raven. Arya's storyline. It goes on and on. My point is that GRRM has mapped out the entire story already, unlike someone like Toni Morrison. He knows how the book is going to end. He's just filling out the parts and that's what's taking so long. He's created such a huge universe, he has to fill in all the blanks he's created. But as someone who writes professionally, I promise you that when the story is told in its entirety, most of the answers of how things will end can be found in Book 1. It's going to be a full circle. And at the core, the showrunners won't deviate from it. They can say that the book and the show are two different things all they want, but they will be the same thing once the show ends. They HAVE to say it's two different things just like they HAD to say that Jon Snow is dead.

 

[stretchwallz]

The show runners D&D know the final outcome of GRRM series. They're the only ones who know(in case he dies before completion)

The show and book will get to same ending down different paths

 

[Soul On Ice]

The show runners D&D know the final outcome of GRRM series. They're the only ones who know(in case he dies before completion)

The show and book will get to same ending down different paths

Was just about to type this exactly.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

The show runners D&D know the final outcome of GRRM series. They're the only ones who know(in case he dies before completion)

The show and book will get to same ending down different paths

Which is exactly what I said…

Thank you.

 

[grownazzblakman]

The show runners D&D know the final outcome of GRRM series. They're the only ones who know(in case he dies before completion)

The show and book will get to same ending down different paths

^^Totally Agree.

The will reach the same ending... That nobody else knows about.. Is my point.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Which is exactly what I said…

Thank you.

Actually that not what you said or implied at all.

Here's the difference..

So the books can drive down all the major hi-ways, while the tv show cuts thru sidestreets & occasionally takes the freeway... to reach the same final destination.

But you act like you know the EXACT roads & the EXACT shortcuts that the tv will take.

That's the difference.

Claiming that 'nothing is gained' by taking a certain road, path, side street, or freeway assumes that 'you know which route is best' or it assumes that you know for a fact 'which routes the tv Showrunners have decided to take' before they even turn the key in the engine.

See if you already KNOW the route to the final destination... Then there will be 'zero'surprises, or shocking moments for you from here on out... Because you would already be 'expecting' stuff like "Hold the Door"... And Bran's Direwolf getting killed, right?

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Actually that not what you said or implied at all.

Here's the difference..

So the books can drive down all the major hi-ways, while the tv show cuts thru sidestreets & occasionally takes the freeway... to reach the same final destination.

But you acting like you knows the EXACT roads & the EXACT shortcuts that the tv will take.

That's the difference.

Claiming that 'nothing is gained' by taking a certain road, path, side street, or freeway assumes that 'you know which route is best' or it assumes that you know for a fact 'which routes the tv Showrunners have decided to take' before they turn the key in the engine.

My first post.

I've heard people say this before. It's a misnomer. The showrunners are taking their own path now, but ultimately they will end up at the final destination that GRRM has planned. It's insane to think that they are going to rewrite his story now that they've lapped him. They aren't going to make their own ending. They're taking a number of liberties for a number of different reasons because the show is its own entity, but this is still GRRM's story when it's all said and done.

Like I said.

 

[grownazzblakman]

My first post.

Like I said.

Lemme help you out.

Yes, we all know that the books & tv show will have the same ending. That is not what I am disputing.

If you DO NOT KNOW FOR A FACT EXACTLY HOW... the story ends...then you cannot arbitrarily 'rule out' any events that might have a 'possibility' of happening. (keywords: HOW)

Which is what you did.

You dismissed even 'the slightest possibility' of Jacquen and Syrio being the same person... as if you knew for a FACT how the whole story ends.... and knew all the events that are supposed to happen between now & then.

I'm not arguing whether or not the books & tv show will end the same way in the final epsisode, when the credits roll.

We all know that will happen.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Lemme help you out.

Yes, we all know that the books & tv show will have the same ending. That is not what I am disputing.

If you DO NOT KNOW FOR A FACT EXACTLY HOW... the story ends...then you cannot arbitrarily 'rule out' any events that might have a 'possibility' of happening. (keywords: HOW)

Which is what you did.

You dismissed 'the slightest possibility' of Jacquen and Syrio being the same person... as if you knew for a FACT how the whole story ends.... And knew all the events that are supposed to happen between now & then.

I'm not arguing whether or not the books & tv show will end the same way in the final epsisode, when the credits roll.

Dude. You are NOT reading what I post.

I never said I knew how the ending of the story. Never intimated that. What I've been saying for weeks is that the story will be a full circle and clues to the ending are in the previous book, specifically Book 1. But no one will know this until the story is complete and then you look book at the previous books to put the pieces together.

I agreed and said that Jaquen and Syrio are more than likely the same person and even posted what I believe is evidence of how so. I said that we never see Syrio die. Jaquen was picked up in the dungeons of the Red Keep. Not sure where you are pulling my "dismissal" from.

This is going nowhere. Go back and reread my posts and you can see where you veered hard left.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Dude. You are NOT reading what I post.

I never said I knew how the ending of the story. Never intimated that. What I've been saying for weeks is that the story will be a full circle and clues to the ending are in the previous book, specifically Book 1. But no one will know this until the story is complete and then you look book at the previous books to put the pieces together.

I agreed and said that Jaquen and Syrio are more than likely the same person and even posted what I believe is evidence of how so. I said that we never see Syrio die. Jaquen was picked up in the dungeons of the Red Keep. Not sure where you are pulling my "dismissal" from.

This is going nowhere. Go back and reread my posts and you can see where you veered hard left.

Aiight. My bad.

I missed 1 whole page worth of posts trying to read this stuff at work, on my mobile phone.

My apologies bruh.
Fundamentally, we agree on everything.

[Raises white flag]

 

[veritech]

this thread in a nutshell:

g.o.t is great!

blah, blah, blah...

golden nugget dropped.

blah, blah, blah...

where is stretch at?

blah, blah, blah...

a man has watched g.o.t...

stretch u a funny dude!

blah, blah, blah...

golden nugget dropped.

blah, blah, blah...

rinse and repeat each week.

 

[dawilleyone]

Aiight. My bad.

I missed 1 whole page worth of posts trying to read this stuff at work, on my mobile phone.

My apologies bruh.
Fundamentally, we agree on everything.

[Raises white flag]

I think grownass was responding to my post where I posted some book spoilers regarding how the Jaqen Hagar character seemed to take a much different path from the show.

I'm sure most people who read the books know they consolidate/cut/alter characters in the show for a variety of different reasons. One example of this is Uncle Benjen/Cold hands character merge. Another would be the use of Jaqen Hagar as both the Faceless man who sets Arya free from the Lannisters and who trains her in Braavos.

Grownass is 100% right that the showrunners could take Jaqen Hagar on a different path and still realize GRRM's umltimate vision. Especially since we don't know the same character's fate in the book. I just personally hoped that they didn't do things like Syrio == Jaqen just because it's a popular fan theory.

 

[darth frosty]

You'll never guess which iconic movie villain Ramsay Bolton's performance is based on

Gina Vaynshteyn / June 1, 2016 5:00 pm

Game of Thrones’ Ramsay Bolton is the WORST. He makes Joffrey Baratheon (rest in turmoil, ya jerk!) look like a puppy. In fact, The New York Times gave him the “Most Hated Man on TV” title — which I’m assuming is kinda hard to get, especially when you’re up against Chad from The Bachelor and House of Card‘s Frank Underwood.

What has Ramsay done in order to earn such collective disdain? Well, let’s see. He castrated and mind-destroyed Theon Greyjoy. He tortured and raped Sansa, his bride, on their wedding night (and then some). He killed his dad. He let his dogs EAT his mother-in-law and half-brother. Basically, he’s Satan in human form — and the actor who plays him (Iwan Rheon) agrees.



But while Rheon isn’t a fan either, he still has to play him every day for work. Which is probably hard, since he’s probably a sweet dude at heart who’s also in a folk band. But he has his methods — one in particular is channeling a very iconic DC villain: Heath Ledger’s The Joker, who was in Batman: The Dark Knight.

In an interview with The Independent, Rheon states that he first used The Joker as inspiration, and then…Dennis the Menace. “Initially Heath Ledger’s Joker,” Rheon tells The Independent. “And then I kind of thought Dennis the Menace… it’s great to have that childlike glee in doing all these horrible things, and then Liam Gallagher’s attitude and walk. But you forget all that stuff after a while.”

Rheon doesn’t elaborate on his inspirations, but we can see it. The Joker is also a psychopath who gets off on seeing people panic and freak out — he also likes playing games, which we know Ramsay is very, very fond of. Dennis the Menace, although a pretty dark choice, considering he’s a KID, is also an iconic trickster in film history.



Regardless of who Rheon channels when he ruins people’s lives, we can all collectively agree that the episode in which he dies will be a super triumphant one.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Cersi will choose the Mountain. And Dude will choose Jamie.

Cersei will choose the Mountain... And Dude will choose Tommen.........Wait for it.

 

[Aww Skeet Skeet!]

Cersei will choose the Mountain... And Dude will choose Tommen.........Wait for it.

That is how shit will go down. Tommy is pussy whipped and a faithful follower. Dude would fight for Bernie, no questions asked.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Good drop. I could see the heath ledger thing.

 

[grownazzblakman]

That is how shit will go down. Tommy is pussy whipped and a faithful follower. Dude would fight for Bernie, no questions asked.

It's so hilarious ... But When you actually think about it.... It's the ultimate 'power move'.

He would use Tommen's own mother to get rid of him... Leaving himself as the 'king' (not in name... but as in 'unopposed authority figure' )

The High Sparrow would stand alone.


And it would be hilarious to see the (utterly shocked / confused / horrified) look on all the Lannister faces, if the High Sparrow named Tommen as his champion. (Especially if he let Cersei choose her champion FIRST )

 

[dawilleyone]

Cersei will choose the Mountain... And Dude will choose Tommen.........Wait for it.

or choose Loras Tyrel. If Loras win's he gets to be free and the high sparrow has gained an ally in the Tyrells. If he loses, it will only increase the tension between the Tyrells and Lannisters.

 

[LSN]

the sparrow doesn't seem to play into their games...I'm guessing he doesn't accept the challenge @ all

 

[bfreezy]

Cersei thinks it's gonna be one way, but it's about to be another way....

 

[Jay_from_dade]

Cersei thinks it's gonna be one way, but it's about to be another way....

I hope not, not by that sparrow asshole.

Any other person but that dick.

 

[darth frosty]

Where are all the Valyrian steel swords in 'Game of Thrones'?

Light spoilers for Season 6, Episode six. You have been warned.


“I heard of a man who had a razor made of Valyrian steel. He cut his head off trying to shave.”


Valyrian steel is fabled throughout the Game of Thrones world. Though the swords, made from the lost technique, have only been subtly featured in the show, their importance will surely come into play as we get ever closer to large battles involving white walkers and dragons.


Because of that, we thought we'd try and find out where the ones we know about are and who has them.

Valyrian steel was made back in the fabled heyday of Valyria, using a technique lost in the Doom that ended that territory. It is believed that dragons were used in the forging of the blades and George R. R. Martin wrote that magic played a part as well.


"...Valyrian steel is a fantasy metal," he said on Westeros.org. "Which means it has magical characteristics, and magic plays a role in its forging."


For all the things we don't know about it, we do know that it will be probably a big help once those white walkers probably make their way down south below the wall.


Valyrian steel is one of two known substances that can instantly kill white walkers. Dragonglass is the other one and it's in just as short supply.

The fabled blades are most commonly heirlooms for noble houses and bragged about often. They are given lofty, terribly menacing names like Orphan-Maker.


So where are they?

Ice - This was Eddard Stark's broadsword that was taken from him with his life. Tywin Lannister melted it down into two smaller swords.

The first was Oathkeeper, which Tywin gave to his son Jaime. Jaime, in turn, gave it to Brienne of Tarth in thanks for her friendship. Brienne, and the sword, is currently riding south from The Wall with Jon Snow and Sansa Stark, trying to convince smaller Northern houses to help defeat the vicious Ramsay Bolton.


The second melted down sword is Widow's Wail. Tywin gave it to his grandson Joffrey, who drank some very, very expired wine and so it was passed down to his brother, King Tommen. The sword sits at his side on the Iron Throne in King's Landing.



Longclaw is the bastard sword that belonged to House Mormont. Jeor Mormont, as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, gave it to Jon Snow, who served as his steward until Mormont's death. Though Longclaw was taken from Jon's dead body, he got it back after returning from the dead.

Brightroar was one of the few swords belonging to House Lannister, but was lost in an expedition to Valyria. It will probably remain hidden, but since we've already seen decaying Valyria and the things that survive there, we might just visit that region again.


Lady Forlorn is the sword of House Corbray, who swears fealty to the Eyrie and the Vale of Arryn. Since Petyr Baelish has convinced young Lord Robin Arryn, Lysa's son and the head of House Arryn, to muster the troops, we might see the forlorn lady sword in their midst.


And finally, Heartsbane was recently shown as Sam tried his best to make a good prodical son's return to House Tarly with Gilly and her son. After his dad was a dick, Sam took the sword for himself. It is assumed that the young family is heading to the Capitol in Old Town for Sam to learn the maester ways, and become the hero we all know he can be.

There are more Valyrian steel swords hidden in the world of the seven kingdoms and beyond. Blackfyre, Brightroar, Dark Sister and several others have been lost in various uprisings, skirmishes or wars. They could always turn up to stem the tide of the white walker army, or remain hidden for the rest of the epic tale.


There are also various other implements made from the steel. Petyr Baelish had a knife that he has since lost, some maesters have Valyrian steel links in their necklaces, the crown of Aegon I Targaryen was made from it, etc.


But the swords have received the most attention and those will probably make some small (or large) difference as the converging forces meet.


Have something to add to this story? Share it in the comments.


Bonus: Goodnight, Westeros

 

[darth frosty]

 

[Dirtylakerie]

Oh shit

 

[darth frosty]

Oh shit indeed!

 

[Mylansky]

They ain't wasting no time

 

[fonzerrillii]

This son of a bitch is invincible.