Home Monitoring systems??? any suggestions?? (NO PORN)

[billybob2]

what's up fam!! I'm looking into turning my home into a smart home. So first I wanted to get a monitoring system and/or alarm system. I want to get of course window, door, and garage monitoring. Of course I would like to be able to unlock and lock the doors remotely (via a app or something), turn on and off lights, turn on and off ac and heat. And I want to set up a few private cams. I think someone is smoking weed in the garage. Of course I want to put a cam( not so secret) at the front door to see who's there, (I know they got these door bell camera now) and a camera outside near the garage, (one day we came home and the portable hoop was knocked down), probably from my son's smart ass mouth! I was thinking about going with Xfinity home and get a few nest cams and a nest thermostat. But I don't know so does anyone have a good monitoring system that they have or know of? What route should I take? I would love it if I could integrate it all with siri on my iPhone, but that's not too important, because my wife has an android and I want her to be able to use the system as well

 

[Freezzze]

I have Xfinity Home and it's great

 

[billybob2]

I have Xfinity Home and it's great

do you have cameras with yours, and whats great about it

 

[TooTrilla]

AT&T and Time Warner have security systems with everything you've mentioned.
Ive got the Intelligent Home and shit is pretty good. Everything is wifi, and you can control through the phone app on any smart phone.

 

[Chuck_Luck]

Samsung smart cam.....

 

[water]

AT&T and Time Warner have security systems with everything you've mentioned.
Ive got the Intelligent Home and shit is pretty good. Everything is wifi, and you can control through the phone app on any smart phone.

sounds good


until a burglar walks with an access point operating on teh same channel and jams your shit


wifi for security?


really?


you do know if i create enough interference transmitting on your channel that i can basically kill your throughput

nothing will be sent and received

 

[xxironxx]

I didn't read everything in your post but this att digital life is pretty cool. Cameras you can add shit 2 all your outlets to power shit on n off automatic door locks

 

[tonydons2]

SimpliSafe

$15 per month, no contract

About $200 for basic equipment. Easy to setup

Pay an extra $10 to be able to monitor from your smartphone

 

[tonydons2]

When I did research ADT and Cox security was $44 per month and free equipment and 3 year contract

 

[TooTrilla]

sounds good


until a burglar walks with an access point operating on teh same channel and jams your shit


wifi for security?


really?


you do know if i create enough interference transmitting on your channel that i can basically kill your throughput

nothing will be sent and received

Really bro? You expecting Ethan Hawk to break into your crib? And all wifi systems have a backup cell chip to be able to transmit info. You do realize old school security systems that work off land line phone can be disabled by cutting the phone line right? Thats way easier than attempting to jam a wifi signal. ADT has basically went wifi with their shit now too.

 

[papi68]

Alarm.com trust

 

[mcguyver]

Alot of misinformation in this thread.

 

[DJ]

I have ADT, I get it for free from my job. To be honest, I think I have turned the alarm on twice and have maybe monitored the cameras 5 times in 2 1/2 years. I can't complain it's free and it hasn't not worked in the times I have used it.

 

[water]

Really bro? You expecting Ethan Hawk to break into your crib? And all wifi systems have a backup cell chip to be able to transmit info. You do realize old school security systems that work off land line phone can be disabled by cutting the phone line right? Thats way easier than attempting to jam a wifi signal. ADT has basically went wifi with their shit now too.

backup cellular chip = winning

cool

 

[mcguyver]

backup cellular chip = winning

cool

Lmao wtf is a backup cellular chip?

 

[water]

Lmao wtf is a backup cellular chip?

cellular modem bro

wtf, just mirroring dudes understanding so he knows that the wifi thing is now a non issue

now if you want to test my knowledge of cellular then i'll warn you right now i was responsible for design and performance of most of the east coast so i know the shit like the back of my hand

but feel free to laugh

we can see who laugh last hahahaha......

 

[mcguyver]

cellular modem bro

wtf, just mirroring dudes understanding so he knows that the wifi thing is now a non issue

now if you want to test my knowledge of cellular then i'll warn you right now i was responsible for design and performance of most of the east coast so i know the shit like the back of my hand

but feel free to laugh

we can see who laugh last hahahaha......

Lets go. First lets squash your wifi rant. The cameras operate over wifi. The Other automation modules operate through other means. The alarm system uses cellular radios that uses sim chips. The cellular radio can be a backup or the only means of communication. Channel jamming only affects the cameras.



Your move.

 

[TooTrilla]

Lmao wtf is a backup cellular chip?

Uhhh its like a cell phone chip(sim card) to transmit data just like a cell phone maybe???? Open any wireless security systmem touchscreen or keypad, and there's a sim card inside. Wireless security systems run off wifi internet for the most part. In our case at TWC with the IH system, if your power/cable/internet all go out. It will still work if your alarm is set and someone tries to break in.

Oh, and as far as the camera's signal being jammed or whatever mission impossible CIA shit you talking bout, you do realize the cameras can be hard wired with cat 5 right? Matter of fact,
we only allow you to use cams with wifi instead of hard wire if you put it inside the house.
Any camera placed outside by us is hard wired back to the router that the system is working off of.


Look, the downfalls I see with wifi security systems are YES, wifi interference. And a higher rate of sensor failure since they are all battery powered and work of a wifi signal of their own.
Hard wired sensors back down to the security panel usually in the basement are more reliable. BUT, any security system can be disabled. All you have to do is cut the right wires.
Wifi systems you have to do some other shit to disable it. More complicated.

 

[Quek9]

Vera lite can be purchased for less than 100 bucks. You can build your home automation and security system out slowly. So far I have 3 locks, 4 cameras, two HVAC controllers, and 6 lights. For my next phase I will do my 2 garage doors and setup my alarm which will be monitored via alarm.com. Look up z wave. If you want more specifics, just ask.

 

[POSTERBOY]

I was just telling my boys the other day, when a commercial came on during a game, with all those cameras and home monitoring systems it's gonna be hard ass hell for mailmen and next door neighbors to get pussy from now on

 

[Freezzze]

do you have cameras with yours, and whats great about it

I got 6 infrared cameras that work in daylight or total darkness 3 outside and 3 in the main living areas. Use your cell phone to activate, disarm, view the cams, even review motion events that happen within the week. I had a tech install in the beginning but it's pretty easy. I've did all the add on's myself since I learn how it works. I love it.

 

[darth frosty]

cellular modem bro

wtf, just mirroring dudes understanding so he knows that the wifi thing is now a non issue

now if you want to test my knowledge of cellular then i'll warn you right now i was responsible for design and performance of most of the east coast so i know the shit like the back of my hand

but feel free to laugh

we can see who laugh last hahahaha......

Lets go. First lets squash your wifi rant. The cameras operate over wifi. The Other automation modules operate through other means. The alarm system uses cellular radios that uses sim chips. The cellular radio can be a backup or the only means of communication. Channel jamming only affects the cameras.



Your move.

 

[MrSid]

sounds good


until a burglar walks with an access point operating on teh same channel and jams your shit


wifi for security?


really?


you do know if i create enough interference transmitting on your channel that i can basically kill your throughput

nothing will be sent and received

Just jimmy a microwave door and leave it open , switch it on .

Boom there goes the neighbor hood wifi .

Lol

 

[mcguyver]

Uhhh its like a cell phone chip(sim card) to transmit data just like a cell phone maybe???? Open any wireless security systmem touchscreen or keypad, and there's a sim card inside. Wireless security systems run off wifi internet for the most part. In our case at TWC with the IH system, if your power/cable/internet all go out. It will still work if your alarm is set and someone tries to break in.

Oh, and as far as the camera's signal being jammed or whatever mission impossible CIA shit you talking bout, you do realize the cameras can be hard wired with cat 5 right? Matter of fact,
we only allow you to use cams with wifi instead of hard wire if you put it inside the house.
Any camera placed outside by us is hard wired back to the router that the system is working off of.


Look, the downfalls I see with wifi security systems are YES, wifi interference. And a higher rate of sensor failure since they are all battery powered and work of a wifi signal of their own.
Hard wired sensors back down to the security panel usually in the basement are more reliable. BUT, any security system can be disabled. All you have to do is cut the right wires.
Wifi systems you have to do some other shit to disable it. More complicated.

Lets make this simple, which systems use this cellular chip?

Which keypad or touchscreen do you want me to open up? Matter of fact don't bother. Keypads and touchscreens communicates with the main control on site there is no need for any cellular communication in them.

I didn't bring up the jamming argument it does happen by coincidence simply because of crowded channels and only affects the equipment that uses wifi.... I.e wireless cameras and you home automation touchscreen. Hardwiring the cameras is a last resort for homes that are too noisy.

There are 3 means of communication for your alarm system. Ip communicators and these are hardwired to your modem, cellular communicators that use sim cards and transmits to the same towers your cell phone uses and traditional phone lines. The industry tends to lean to cellular communicators because they are cheaper.


I have to check on time warners equipment to see exactly how they operate but I'm pretty sure your security side does not communicate with every device via wifi. You have to separate your thinking to home security and home automation. And cable Companies from alarm companies.

 

[456.North.side]

im looking into some of the wifi connected devices, motion + cameras + sirens things that alert me when triggered but im in a low crime area and im mainly trying to get to where my kids can come home alone since they are that age.

there was one setup thats a small square that detects motion, humidity and such think its $25 each but you had to get some hub to go with it.. but thats my move... good luck

 

[TooTrilla]

Lets make this simple, which systems use this cellular chip?

Which keypad or touchscreen do you want me to open up? Matter of fact don't bother. Keypads and touchscreens communicates with the main control on site there is no need for any cellular communication in them.

I didn't bring up the jamming argument it does happen by coincidence simply because of crowded channels and only affects the equipment that uses wifi.... I.e wireless cameras and you home automation touchscreen. Hardwiring the cameras is a last resort for homes that are too noisy.

There are 3 means of communication for your alarm system. Ip communicators and these are hardwired to your modem, cellular communicators that use sim cards and transmits to the same towers your cell phone uses and traditional phone lines. The industry tends to lean to cellular communicators because they are cheaper.


I have to check on time warners equipment to see exactly how they operate but I'm pretty sure your security side does not communicate with every device via wifi. You have to separate your thinking to home security and home automation. And cable Companies from alarm companies.

Keypads and touchscreens that are WIRELESS use cell back up in case they loose communication with it's first method which is usually WIFI INTERNET. If your system isn't hooked to a land line phone, ITS USING INTERNET AND CELL.
Intelligent Home from TWC works by hooking up another wifi router to the original modem being used for internet. That router makes a secure unbroadcast connection with the touchscreen.
All of the sensors and devices(door/window, thermostat, glass breaks, motion sensors, door locks, light controls) are linked up to the touchscreen wirelessly. The cameras are hard wired to the router for the first setup. Then
they can work wirelessly once paired to the touchscreen as long as they have power running to them. Hard wiring the camera is NOT the last resort and is the preferred method for any camera
placed outside of the home, or far away from the router since the cameras actually link up through the router and not the touchscreen. Repeaters can be used for bigger houses. But we try not to use them if not absolutely necessary.
And the only difference between a cable company and an alarm company is that the cable company offeres tv and hsd. Otherwise, all these alarm companies
are using a lot of the same equipment that Cable and AT@T is using for their security systems. I know for a fact Brinks uses the exact same day night cam we do. Ive seen it in houses and thought it was ours.
Customer was like, I got Brinks.

 

[mcguyver]

Keypads and touchscreens that are WIRELESS use cell back up in case they loose communication with it's first method which is usually WIFI INTERNET. If your system isn't hooked to a land line phone, ITS USING INTERNET AND CELL.
Intelligent Home from TWC works by hooking up another wifi router to the original modem being used for internet. That router makes a secure unbroadcast connection with the touchscreen.
All of the sensors and devices(door/window, thermostat, glass breaks, motion sensors, door locks, light controls) are linked up to the touchscreen wirelessly. The cameras are hard wired to the router for the first setup. Then
they can work wirelessly once paired to the touchscreen as long as they have power running to them. Hard wiring the camera is NOT the last resort and is the preferred method for any camera
placed outside of the home, or far away from the router since the cameras actually link up through the router and not the touchscreen. Repeaters can be used for bigger houses. But we try not to use them if not absolutely necessary.
And the only difference between a cable company and an alarm company is that the cable company offeres tv and hsd. Otherwise, all these alarm companies
are using a lot of the same equipment that Cable and AT@T is using for their security systems. I know for a fact Brinks uses the exact same day night cam we do. Ive seen it in houses and thought it was ours.
Customer was like, I got Brinks.

Again are you talkin about just TCW because TCW? Dude there is no more brinks, haven't been for at least 6yrs. Yes ONE of the cams they use maybe the same. Thats because these companies do not manufacture their own equipment so yes paths will cross, but because they look the same doesn't me the software is the same. Also all the companies do not use the same product. Some use 2gig, alarm.com, etc.
They do not use exactly the same equipment. You have no clue what you are talking about. Why are you telling me how the cameras are programmed in? Besides thats the old method, the newer cameras use WPS to learn in. And obviously its a TWC policy to hardwire the outdoor wireless cameras......other companies do not. How are you running cat5 in million dollar homes?
So now all your devices are linked to your wireless keypad? So whats the purpose of the modified router? just to learn the keypad? If the customer misplaces the keypad, it drops and breaks making it non-functional or the kid throws it in the toilet......you don't have a security system?

Cable companies offers phones, tv and internet. Their security side is a 1 trick pony meaning they only have 1 security product to offer and 1 security service. Security companies offer fire systems, cctv, intercom, card access and in some cases guard patrol. Thats the difference.

 

[water]

Lets go. First lets squash your wifi rant. The cameras operate over wifi. The Other automation modules operate through other means. The alarm system uses cellular radios that uses sim chips. The cellular radio can be a backup or the only means of communication. Channel jamming only affects the cameras.



Your move.

There was no wifi rant.

As I said before it's super easy to jam wifi, just transmit over the same channel number.

Regarding your scoff, I clarified and you didn't touch the clarification so we should be all good.

The rest of stuff you posted above reinforces what I posted so I'm all good.

Cameras are a necessary part of security today.

Using wifi for security is not something I would do but that's just me.

 

[TooTrilla]

Again are you talkin about just TCW because TCW? Dude there is no more brinks, haven't been for at least 6yrs. Yes ONE of the cams they use maybe the same. Thats because these companies do not manufacture their own equipment so yes paths will cross, but because they look the same doesn't me the software is the same. Also all the companies do not use the same product. Some use 2gig, alarm.com, etc.
They do not use exactly the same equipment. You have no clue what you are talking about. Why are you telling me how the cameras are programmed in? Besides thats the old method, the newer cameras use WPS to learn in. And obviously its a TWC policy to hardwire the outdoor wireless cameras......other companies do not. How are you running cat5 in million dollar homes?
So now all your devices are linked to your wireless keypad? So whats the purpose of the modified router? just to learn the keypad? If the customer misplaces the keypad, it drops and breaks making it non-functional or the kid throws it in the toilet......you don't have a security system?

Cable companies offers phones, tv and internet. Their security side is a 1 trick pony meaning they only have 1 security product to offer and 1 security service. Security companies offer fire systems, cctv, intercom, card access and in some cases guard patrol. Thats the difference.

I guess Im just talking about the TWC system and other security systems we take over, and not all the other ones. Which I install DAILY. So when it comes to those systems, i know exactly what the fuck Im talking about. And I have ran cat 5 in mansions. Fuck u talking bout? Our keypad as well stays plugged in one spot. The phone app is so u can control it everywhere. And yeah, security companies do offer all that other type of protection u mentioned that we dont. What you got a bank or a jewlery store my nigga? Because i could have swore we were talking about HOME security.

 

[mcguyver]

I guess Im just talking about the TWC system and other security systems we take over, and not all the other ones. Which I install DAILY. So when it comes to those systems, i know exactly what the fuck Im talking about. And I have ran cat 5 in mansions. Fuck u talking bout? Our keypad as well stays plugged in one spot. The phone app is so u can control it everywhere. And yeah, security companies do offer all that other type of protection u mentioned that we dont. What you got a bank or a jewlery store my nigga? Because i could have swore we were talking about HOME security.

You snake wires in outside walls in mansions?

What equipment have you taken over?

When you say keypad are you referring to the touchscreen? If so that shit stas plugged in until you leave.

You said everything including the security is linked through the touchscreen that means your touchscreen goes down everything goes down. You lose connection with everything the app is useless. This is according to your description of your set-up

You said there is no difference between cable companies and alarm companies....i gave you a bunch of differences.

I think you have somewhat of an idea how it works.

Oh shit i just confirmed who writes the software for your equipment. I talk to these people at least once a week.

 

[Freezzze]

There was no wifi rant.

As I said before it's super easy to jam wifi, just transmit over the same channel number.

Regarding your scoff, I clarified and you didn't touch the clarification so we should be all good.

The rest of stuff you posted above reinforces what I posted so I'm all good.

Cameras are a necessary part of security today.

Using wifi for security is not something I would do but that's just me.

You're on point but I think you kinda gotta look at the element your trying to protect yourself from. For most people it's more than enough. We're not talking about Criminals that you would see in a Mission Impossible movie with High Tech Gadgets to infiltrate Fort Knoxx. Most common criminals have a crow bar and just know when you come in and out your house.

 

[MrSid]

The truth be told.
Always run cat 6 or fibre if you can afford to have your house's back bone wired properly .

 

[TooTrilla]

You snake wires in outside walls in mansions?

What equipment have you taken over?

When you say keypad are you referring to the touchscreen? If so that shit stas plugged in until you leave.

You said everything including the security is linked through the touchscreen that means your touchscreen goes down everything goes down. You lose connection with everything the app is useless. This is according to your description of your set-up

You said there is no difference between cable companies and alarm companies....i gave you a bunch of differences.

I think you have somewhat of an idea how it works.

Oh shit i just confirmed who writes the software for your equipment. I talk to these people at least once a week.

You sound like one of these IT guys who house I go in. They swear they know everything, sound stupid as fuck, and don't know shit. If a muthafucka got a mansion and wants cameras on the outside of it, aint nobody fishing wires in the outside walls. Those wires are going to be wired best as possible. You want a cam outside, you got a wire showing outside. Most new houses are built with all wiring as needed before walls go up. You got some old castle mansion built 70 years ago and you want cameras outside, your ass is gonna have exposed wires outside.
We use a touchscreen which has a back up battery BUT must remained plugged in. Customers can move it but can't walk around with that shit like an Ipad or else the security center will call and tell them its been unplugged to long. Wireless keypads are added if we are taking over an existing HARD WIRED security system. So yes, we can takeover an existing security system that is not already using wifi sensors. We add a device in the security panel that links our touchscreen to it and allows all existing sensors to be used. If any touchscreen or keypad or whatever the fuck is used to arm and monitor your system goes down, won't all those systems not work properly either?? If your touchscreen is tampered with while the system is armed, shit goes off anyways. So if the touchscreen is damaged or tampered with any time when it isn't armed, you call the fucking people that installed it and get it fixed.
You keep coming up with all these dumb ass scenarios that don't mean shit. The op asked about some basic home security and me being a nigga that installs the shit EVERYDAY, I chimed in on the product I install.
Who gives a shit if you talk to the people that write the software for our equipment? What knowledge does that give you? None nigga. They write software, they don't install security systems.

But you win one argument. Yeah there are differences between cable companies and pure security companies. So what? We are discussing home security. Not commercial security.
A burglar breaks into your house, Im pretty sure they are either kicking in the door or breaking the window.

You think I have somewhat of an idea of how it works? I install the shit all day. If you aren't hooking up security systems, get your none knowledgeable ass the fuck outta here.

 

[DV8ed]

SimpliSafe

$15 per month, no contract

About $200 for basic equipment. Easy to setup

Pay an extra $10 to be able to monitor from your smartphone

plus Arlo for your cameras.
https://www.arlo.com/en-us/products/kit/

 

[mcguyver]

You sound like one of these IT guys who house I go in. They swear they know everything, sound stupid as fuck, and don't know shit. If a muthafucka got a mansion and wants cameras on the outside of it, aint nobody fishing wires in the outside walls. Those wires are going to be wired best as possible. You want a cam outside, you got a wire showing outside. Most new houses are built with all wiring as needed before walls go up. You got some old castle mansion built 70 years ago and you want cameras outside, your ass is gonna have exposed wires outside.
We use a touchscreen which has a back up battery BUT must remained plugged in. Customers can move it but can't walk around with that shit like an Ipad or else the security center will call and tell them its been unplugged to long. Wireless keypads are added if we are taking over an existing HARD WIRED security system. So yes, we can takeover an existing security system that is not already using wifi sensors. We add a device in the security panel that links our touchscreen to it and allows all existing sensors to be used. If any touchscreen or keypad or whatever the fuck is used to arm and monitor your system goes down, won't all those systems not work properly either?? If your touchscreen is tampered with while the system is armed, shit goes off anyways. So if the touchscreen is damaged or tampered with any time when it isn't armed, you call the fucking people that installed it and get it fixed.
You keep coming up with all these dumb ass scenarios that don't mean shit. The op asked about some basic home security and me being a nigga that installs the shit EVERYDAY, I chimed in on the product I install.
Who gives a shit if you talk to the people that write the software for our equipment? What knowledge does that give you? None nigga. They write software, they don't install security systems.

But you win one argument. Yeah there are differences between cable companies and pure security companies. So what? We are discussing home security. Not commercial security.
A burglar breaks into your house, Im pretty sure they are either kicking in the door or breaking the window.

You think I have somewhat of an idea of how it works? I install the shit all day. If you aren't hooking up security systems, get your none knowledgeable ass the fuck outta here.

Lmao dude i've been in the industry for 20 yrs done sales, installs, trainer and product development. Been working with the home automation 4 yrs before you guys got into it and with the same people who write your software. Your security devies do not work on wifi they work on rf, tell me the manufacturer and I'll tell you the frequency. Your automation devices, thermostats, lamp modules, etc works on zwave technology. Your cameras and touchscreen works wifi. Every device talks to that router box as you described it. I'm sure twc has a name for it. That box does broadcast but you cannot get into it. That box also talks to your servers thats how the customers can control their devices via an app or logging onto a website. You cannot take over just any alarm system an interface them with TWC's equipment its impossible. How and why are you adding multiple touchscreens to a hardwired system that you are taling over?
You are claiming your devices are linked into the touchscreens if thats the case if your touchscreen doesn't work your devices lose their link.
So you are stapling cat5 wire up the walls of mansions? Mofo please.

Again give me the name of a system you took over. If you know as much as you claim you can also give me the manufacturer.