Donald Trump on the debt: "You never have to default because you print the money”

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- Donald Trump on the debt: "You never have to default because you print the money”



In a phone interview with CNN Monday morning, Donald Trump said something startling: The US, he insisted, will never have to default on its debts, because it can always print more money:
This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money. I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default.
Trump was responding to a question from CNN's Chris Cuomo following comments he made last week suggesting that he'd ask American bondholders to take a haircut — accept less than they are owed — if the government debt problem ever got out of control.

That first comment understandably terrified a lot of people in the financial press. The entire world financial system is predicated on the notion that US debt is the safest investment there is. If the US started threatening to not pay back its debts in full (to partially default, essentially) its borrowing costs would skyrocket, and so too would interest rates on everything else: corporate debt, mortgages, credit cards, etc.

Such a haircut would, as Vox's Matt Yglesias explained, cause a financial crisis, and, worse, be totally unnecessary. While countries in the EU that don't control their own currencies can, theoretically, be forced to default, countries like the US that do control their own currencies always have another option: They can pay off the debt by printing more dollars. This might lead to undesirable levels of inflation, but that's probably better than a full-on financial catastrophe.

Trump's latest comments suggest that he grasps this notion. In doing so, he's echoing a heterodox left-wing economics movement that's gotten some buy-in from Bernie Sanders as well: modern monetary theory.


The left-wing economics movement that Trump is adopting



MMT emphasizes the fact that countries that print their own money can never really "run out of money." They can just print more. The reason we have taxes, then, is not to pay for stuff, but to keep people using the government's preferred currency rather than, say, Bitcoin. In some rare cases, consumer demand gets too high, so sellers raise prices and inflation ensues. Then, you need to raise taxes to cool the economy down. But the theory holds that this eventuality is pretty rare. James Galbraith, a MMT-influenced economist at the University of Texas at Austin, once told me that the last time it happened was in World War I.

The main takeaway from this is that you really don't need to balance the budget over any time horizon, and attempts to do so will hurt the economy. That's what Stephanie Kelton, a MMTer at University of Missouri–Kansas City and a senior economic adviser to Bernie Sanders, argues happened after the Clinton surpluses of the late 1990s/early 2000s. Any dollar of government surplus must show up as private debt, she reasons. And the private sectors just can't run up debt like that indefinitely. "Eventually, something will give," Kelton once wrote to Business Insider. "And when it does, the private sector will retrench, the economy will contract, and the government's budget will move back into deficit."

This is very much a minority view in economics — even among liberals. Paul Krugman, for example, has argued that MMT gets this all wrong. You still need people to buy government bonds, and if the interest rates on those get too high, then paying for it all might be hard to do without triggering runaway inflation. "Once we’re no longer in a liquidity trap, running large deficits without access to bond markets is a recipe for very high inflation, perhaps even hyperinflation," Krugman writes. Joe Gagnon, an economist at the Peterson Institute, also notes that Australia and Canada ran surpluses for years without suffering economically as a consequence. (You can see MMT responses to these points here and here.)

Why MMT is so attractive to Trump

If you want to learn more about MMT, I wrote a long profile of the movement back in 2012 that explains the basics. Before recently, mainstream economists and policymakers could comfortably ignore the movement. Galbraith told me that when, on a panel for an April 2000 event at the White House, he argued that the US's new budget surplus would harm the economy, the hundreds of economists in attendance laughed in his face.

That's all changed. The financial crisis created a huge appetite for new economic thinking, and MMT helped meet it. It gained new legitimacy through Sanders's adoption of Kelton as a senior adviser, first in the Senate and then on the campaign trail, and now it's made its way into Trump's rhetoric.

It makes sense, in a way. Trump is promising $9.5 trillion in new tax cuts — $11.2 trillion if you include interest payments. The anti-debt Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB) estimates that his combined proposals would increase the debt by $12 to 15 trillion by 2026.

One way to get around these numbers is to tweak your proposals until they no longer cost as much, or find unrelated spending cuts and tax hikes that lower their cost. But with numbers this high, that's not really an option. So insisting instead that dramatically increasing the debt just isn't a problem — as implied by MMT — is a very attractive option for someone in Trump's position.



http://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11639292/donald-trump-default-print-money
 
Layman's terms please.
America got their own money
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Printing money to relieve the national debt, however, would probably be disastrous. It would most likely precipitate a huge amount of inflation, causing prices to rise very quickly and wreaking havoc on the economy.

In 2013, Neil Irwin laid out several problems with paying debt by printing money and causing inflation. In The Washington Post, he noted that the cost of social-insurance programs like Medicare and Social Security, the biggest projected drivers of future deficits, could not be inflated away (emphasis added):

But for each of those programs, inflation wouldn't solve the government's financial problems. It would make them worse (to put it in the technical language, they are real obligations, not nominal obligations). In other words, if the Fed becomes reckless and allows double-digit inflation to take root, the cost of medical care will rise by double-digits too (or even faster, if the pattern of recent decades holds up). Social Security payments are indexed to inflation; that policy could be changed, but any politician who tried to freeze Social Security (particularly at a time of high inflation) would surely find gray-haired armies of angry seniors in their office making their dissatisfaction known.

So Trump's observation that it's theoretically possible for the government to avoid default by printing money is technically true. But any actual implementation of that plan would likely be as big of a mess as his initial plan of offering an overt haircut to creditors.

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Sperling added that Trump was “basically putting America in the position of saying, ‘I'm going to overleverage and then if things look really terrible and people fear that our debt will be worth less I will come in and try to pay a discount. That’s not clever. That is one of the most dangerous economic things we've seen.”

Some conservative Republicans also reacted sharply to Trump’s comments, which lie far outside the mainstream of GOP economic policy. Generally, Republicans have favored attacking the debt through spending cuts and faster economic growth rather than manipulating it through buybacks, creditor negotiations or money creation.

These people also criticized Trump for appearing to try and influence policy at the Federal Reserve, which is supposed to operate independent of political pressure from the White House or Congress.

“This is yet another big misstep. What he is implying is the era of Fed independence is over,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and a former official under President George W. Bush. “I no longer know what Trump does and doesn’t know about managing the debt, but I’m pretty sure I don’t trust his judgment. I also worry about the international community watching this daily. They have reason to be nervous about him.”

Holtz-Eakin added that he would recommend Trump refrain from this kind of commentary until he can spend more time learning about the subject. “If I were advising him I’d say let’s take a day or two off of this and talk about beauty pageants or something else you know about because this has got to stop.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-debt-bankruptcy-wall-street-222976#ixzz48GAigx5s
 
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The Real Reason The GOP Establishment Loathes Donald Trump

WASHINGTON — The Republican establishment has spent a lot of energy over the past six months trying to convince the public that Donald Trump’s rank bigotry breaks with conservative principles and has no place in the Party of Ronald Reagan.

“He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic religious bigot,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)told CNN in December. “He doesn’t represent my party.” Mitt Romney and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) have issued similar critiques using slightly more circumspect language.

The truth, of course, is that Republicans have been perfectly comfortable pandering to bigotry for decades. Romney touted Trump’s endorsement during the 2012 campaign, when Trump was the highest-profile birther in the world. Romney’s immigration plan was called “self-deportation” — an effort to make life so miserable for undocumented immigrants that they would choose to leave the country. As a matter of policy, it may be even nastier than Trump’s call for mass deportations. Ryan has a history of blaming poverty on the laziness of people who live in — ahem — “inner cities.” Using identification requirements to prevent poor people and minorities from voting is a core GOP policy.

So maybe bigotry isn’t the thing. Maybe the Republican establishment is really mad about something else.

The GOP establishment doesn’t like Social Security or Medicare or the minimum wage or anything else that benefits the poor instead of the wealthy. It likes tax cuts for the rich and corporate deregulation and other policies that boost the incomes of shareholders — who are overwhelmingly well-to-do. On Monday Trump appeared on CNN and took away their best weapon in the fight to win that agenda.

“People said I want to go and buy debt and default on debt, and I mean, these people are crazy. This is the United States government,” Trump said. “First of all, you never have to default, because you print the money. I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default.”

That statement is an attack on Paul Ryan’s entire career in Congress. It’s an attack on John Boehner and Mitch McConnell and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the (failed) bipartisan austerity campaign launched by conservative private equity billionaire Peter J. Peterson. It says, essentially, that people shouldn’t worry so much about the national debt. And the national debt has been the primary cudgel that Republicans (and many moderate Democrats) have deployed to bully the public into accepting economic policies that help the rich and hurt everybody else.

Ryan spent years warning that the United States was heading for a “debt crisis” that would put the country in the same position as Greece. The only way to fix things, he argued, was to cut Medicare and Social Security benefits. It would be great if old people could keep getting their benefits forever — but golly, if they did, bond vigilantes and foreign powers would just take even more from vulnerable Americans. We have no choice but to stop being so generous to old people who are poor.

The Ryan/establishment position was never really about deficits or debt. At the same time he was calling to slash entitlements that help the poor and middle class, Ryan was also working (successfully) to kill a so-called “Grand Bargain” between Boehner and Obama that would have raised taxes and cut government spending. Ryan’s objection? The deal would have raised taxes on the wealthy. If what you really care about is a debt crisis, then you just want to trim the deficit. It doesn’t really matter if the deficit is reduced by slashing spending or raising taxes.

The national debt, in other words, allowed Republicans to pretend that they really, truly cared about the poor and middle classes, while pursuing policies that curbed their benefits and boosted returns for the wealthy.

And the establishment GOP fiscal story was always bunk. Greece has been forced into catastrophe, not because it had too much debt, but because it did not have control over its currency. The European Central Bank controls Greek currency — the Euro — and has used this power to dictate horrible and undemocratic Greek policies on government spending and taxation. If Greece had power over its currency, then — as Trump suggested Monday — it always could have printed money to get out of its debt jam.

Under conventional economic theories, printing money to pay off debts could spark inflation. Every new dollar you print, the argument goes, dilutes the value of existing dollars. This pays off your debt, but it also dilutes the paychecks and purchasing power of ordinary Americans.

But inflation is just one kind of economic problem, one that the Fed has always been pretty good at defeating stateside. It is not a total economic collapse and the loss of political sovereignty, which we have seen in Greece, and which Ryan and the GOP establishment have invoked as an inevitable result of rejecting conservative economic policies. And for millions of Americans, moderate inflation would be a much better result than slashing social services or entitlements, especially if the Fed could slay the inflation beast quickly.

It’s not even clear that severe inflation would, in fact, result from printing more money. The Federal Reserve has printed a lot of money since 2008, and the country hasn’t seen much inflation. As a result, an alternative theory about the real cause of inflation has dominated much of the post-crisis academic debate.

But no prominent Republican had ever questioned the GOP establishment’s economic narrative until Trump’s CNN appearance on Monday. And the GOP establishment desperately wants to maintain Ryan’s narrative. Undercutting it would demonstrate that decades of Republican messaging and policy were totally wrong. Pretty sad that it takes a callous bigot to make the party squirm about that record.

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...thes-donald-trump_us_573120f3e4b096e9f0927100
 
Well this is how rich kids think. Good luck with that blue collar billionaire angle they will be trying to use.
 
What type of financial acumen are his supporters expecting from a man that let numerous businesses go bankrupt?

This dude would send the US and world economies all out of whack.... We won't be able to "declare war" our way out of it either.
 
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What type of financial acumen are his supporters expecting from a man that let numerous businesses go bankruptcy?

This dude would send the US and world economies all out of whack.... We won't be able to "declare war" our way out of it either.
They just see the success without realizing that his daddy had enough money for him to never truly fail.
 
What type of financial acumen are his supporters expecting from a man that let numerous businesses go bankruptcy?

This dude would send the US and world economies all out of whack.... We won't be able to "declare war" our way out of it either.

They just see the success without realizing that his daddy had enough money for him to never truly fail.



Just for clarification...Those were reorganization bankruptcies and those businesses didn't go belly up...Those were loopholes that allowed him to fuck over suppliers and vendors and wipe out expenses while increasing profits.

His daddy didn't have billions..

There real question is who is his running mate going to be because if he thinks he can fuck over these big money mofokrs he foolish...If Trump wins and tries to fuck with their loot he will be assasinated
 
They just see the success without realizing that his daddy had enough money for him to never truly fail.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...this-really-basic-advice-hed-be-a-lot-richer/
"Yet Trump has not done nearly as well as other American business magnates, or even a typical middle-class retiree following sound financial advice, as a review of the numbers over the past four decades shows. He is a billionaire today despite this poor performance because when he started his career, his father had already built a colossal real-estate empire. And the wealth Donald Trump has accumulated since then has at times come at the expense of taxpayers or the banks and investors who have lent him money.

Citing data from Forbes, The Associated Press estimates that Trump's net worth quadrupled from $1 billion to $4 billion between 1988 and today. That's an impressive gain, but it's nothing compared to the wealth produced by investors such as Warren Buffett and Bill Gates. Gates's wealth increased from about $1 billion to $80 billion over the same period. Buffett had about $2.5 billion in 1988, and has $68 billion today.

Yet perhaps the most telling comparison is between Trump and his golf buddy, Richard LeFrak. The LeFraks and the Trumps have been rivals in New York's real estate business for generations. LeFrak's father, Samuel LeFrak, took a no-nonsense approach to the business. He focused on minimizing risk and making money, according to a 1992 profile in Business Week, before the magazine became Bloomberg Businessweek.

"He might be strutting around like a peacock today, but he's gonna be a feather duster tomorrow," the elder LeFrak told Business Week when asked about Trump.

Over time, the LeFraks came out ahead of their competitors. LeFrak is worth $7 billion today, and he's 181st on Bloomberg's list of the world's richest people. Bloomberg puts Trump's wealth at just $2.9 billion -- far less than Forbes's estimate. He doesn't even make the list.

The LeFraks are a family with long experience in a very competitive industry, but Trump's returns are less even than those of an ordinary investor saving for retirement."
 
Just for clarification...Those were reorganization bankruptcies and those businesses didn't go belly up...Those were loopholes that allowed him to fuck over suppliers and vendors and wipe out expenses while increasing profits.

Even so, that's how you run a business, not a country. These rich mfkrs will have him "taking a ride in a convertible caddy," if he fuck over the economy /their money like that
 
Even so, that's how you run a business, not a country. These rich mfkrs will have him "taking a ride in a convertible caddy," if he fuck over the economy /their money like that

I agree, but in reality that is exactly how this country is run...

Wars that aren't paid for

Tax cuts that aren't paid for

Stealing money from the Social Security trust to be used in other places and not paying it back then wanting to fuck over the people who contribute and saying SS is insolvent.

Printing money without having any collateral to back it up.

Shit if you ran a business the way the country is run you would be in prison for embezzlement.

Those that will kill him don't give a shit about the economy because they are the same ones who ruin a company and still get million dollar parachutes.....
 
I agree, but in reality that is exactly how this country is run...

Wars that aren't paid for

Tax cuts that aren't paid for

Stealing money from the Social Security trust to be used in other places and not paying it back then wanting to fuck over the people who contribute and saying SS is insolvent.

Printing money without having any collateral to back it up.

Shit if you ran a business the way the country is run you would be in prison for embezzlement.

Those that will kill him don't give a shit about the economy because they are the same ones who ruin a company and still get million dollar parachutes.....
I don't think his practices would be the issue...it's that he would go about it loudly and pull the cover back.
 
Basically that's like writing checks against your checking account that hasn't the money to cover the checks.

This man's level of stupidity is unmeasurable. :smh:
 
I don't think his practices would be the issue...it's that he would go about it loudly and pull the cover back.

that is the dilema..

would he rally be like that or is that an act he is doing to keep the low hanging fruit base riled up.

is this dude a trojan horse ?

i really wish they actually talked to people he has done business with instead of focusing on bullshit.

i can't believe anybody who says such dumb and offensive shit could be successful in business.

This dude is 100x worse than Dame Dash and Dame can't get anything done.
 
that is the dilema..

would he rally be like that or is that an act he is doing to keep the low hanging fruit base riled up.

is this dude a trojan horse ?

i really wish they actually talked to people he has done business with instead of focusing on bullshit.

i can't believe anybody who says such dumb and offensive shit could be successful in business.

This dude is 100x worse than Dame Dash and Dame can't get anything done.
Lmao...Dame's attitude would go over just fine if he was white and came from that privileged class. Conversely, if Trump was black and came from nothing he'd be in prison already for some of the shit he's done.

It's hard to imagine how he would actually govern...but the power of the Presidency is, largely, the bully pulpit.
 
Lmao...Dame's attitude would go over just fine if he was white and came from that privileged class. Conversely, if Trump was black and came from nothing he'd be in prison already for some of the shit he's done.

It's hard to imagine how he would actually govern...but the power of the Presidency is, largely, the bully pulpit.

Somebody needs to ask Dame who he is backing

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Fuck around and have Trump wearing a Roc jacket to the innaguration
 
If I was president, I would completely revamp the entire system which is flawed and is the reason many countries are having problems.

If you print money, you would have to pay a higher interest rate to new bondholders who would perceive U.S. debt as risky. They would need that higher interest rate for inflation risk. Nobody would be able to sell U.S. debt on the market or it would be sold at a huge discount.

You can print money, but anything beyond a certain level would be catastrophic.
 
If I was president, I would completely revamp the entire system which is flawed and is the reason many countries are having problems.

If you print money, you would have to pay a higher interest rate to new bondholders who would perceive U.S. debt as risky. They would need that higher interest rate for inflation risk. Nobody would be able to sell U.S. debt on the market or it would be sold at a huge discount.

Printing money is a defacto debt default.
Also putting money into circulation would drive the value of the dollar down thus creating more debt.
 
isn't that exactly what this government does ?
No. Currency printed that is not backed by anything is called fiat. Fiat currency is worthless may as well print confederate or counterfeit bills.

Our dollars used to be backed by our gold and silver reserves. Today the dollar is backed by our global credit status. Creating new currency creates inflation. So printing new currency will simply generate more inflation. Not a good idea for a country that's already trillions in debt.
 
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