Hillary Clinton's Death Penalty Answer

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I thought this needed it's own thread.

When asked by a man who spent 39 years in prison wrongfully she was asked how she can still support the death penalty.

After ho humming about how the judicial system has proven flawed in fairness she still would not say she was against the death penalty.

Let's not forget that Bill supervised many death sentences is Arkansas even flying back from campaigning to oversee the execution of a mentally retarded black man.

Doesn't this give great insight to her double speak.

If it is flawed and innocent people <mostly black and brown> are wrongfully convicted and executed how can she even say there is still a place for it.

Who is to say in those limited examples she gave that the right person is sentenced ?

Thoughts ?

 
At a town hall event in Columbus, Ohio, tonight, Hillary Clinton took a question from Ricky Jackson, who was exonerated in May after 39 years in prison for a murder he didn’t commit. Jackson asked Clinton whether she would abolish the death penalty; she said that she would not.

Jackson spent two years on death row after his 1975 conviction—his death sentence was commuted on a technicality in 1977 (there had been a mistake in jury instructions). Given that, and given the fact that 20 of the337 people exonerated since 1989 on post-conviction DNA tests spent time on death row, he asked Clinton to justify her pro-death penalty position.

“The states have proven themselves incapable of carrying out fair trials that give any defendant all the rights that defendants should have, the support that defendants’ lawyers should have,” Clinton said. “And I would breathe a sigh of relief if the Supreme Court or the states themselves began to eliminate the death penalty.”


“Where I end up is this—and maybe it’s a distinction that is hard to support—at this point, given the challenges we face from terrorist activities in our country that enter under federal jurisdiction, for very limited purposes it can still be held in reserve for those.”

Clinton invoked the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11, advocating for “a very limited use of [capital punishment] in cases where there has been horrific mass killings.” She added: “It would only be in the federal system.”

This was meant to be reassuring, but it is not. Not only does this proposal put an inordinate amount of faith in federal prosecutors not to cheat the system in the pursuit of vengeance rather than justice—which they have been known to do—there is no reason to think that providing Ricky Jackson’s lawyers with more resources wouldn’t necessarily have done very much (if anything!) about the faulty jury instructions delivered at his trial.

In fact, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1994, expanded the federal death penalty to cover about 60 different offenses, and has allowed the federal government to pursue capital punishment in states that abolished it years ago. As Bruce Shapiro, executive director of the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma, wrote in the Nation last year, on the U.S. Attorney’s pursuit of the death penalty against Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, in Massachusetts:

State death-penalty law, for better or worse, is usually a deep reflection of local history, culture, and debate. That’s true in the states that still routinely execute prisoners—Texas, Oklahoma, and the Deep South death-penalty strongholds; those that shut their death rows decades ago, such as West Virginia and Michigan; and the nine states that have abolished capital punishment since 1980, including Massachusetts.

The federal death penalty, on the other hand, is a different story: largely a recent invention, radically expanded during a few brief years of Bill Clinton’s presidency. Ever since, the federal death penalty—both in the laws passed by Congress and the cases selectively pursued by US Attorneys—has been all about politics of the most cynically expedient variety. Most relevant to the Tsarnaev case, the federal death penalty has been a convenient vehicle for Washington Republicans and Democrats alike to profit from the same terrorism panic which after 9/11 saddled us with the Patriot Act.

So much for there not being any place for violence in our politics.
 
She's flawed just like the system...why is anyone surprised? :dunno:

Poor brotha really expected her to Lie to him? :smh:...I don't lie to myself, I may ignore a few things from
time to time but it's always very intentional for sanity, never for denial or blissful ignorance.

No white person will ever fix a Black persons problem in this country PERIOD! You've got to
do it for yourself and oh yes...it's sometimes hard as hell but always worth it.
 
She's flawed just like the system...why is anyone surprised? :dunno:

Poor brotha really expected her to Lie to him? :smh:...I don't lie to myself, I may ignore a few things from
time to time but it's always very intentional for sanity, never for denial or blissful ignorance.

No white person will ever fix a Black persons problem in this country PERIOD! You've got to
do it for yourself and oh yes...it's sometimes hard as hell but always worth it
.
:itsawrap:
 
She's flawed just like the system...why is anyone surprised? :dunno:

Poor brotha really expected her to Lie to him? :smh:...I don't lie to myself, I may ignore a few things from
time to time but it's always very intentional for sanity, never for denial or blissful ignorance.

No white person will ever fix a Black persons problem in this country PERIOD! You've got to
do it for yourself and oh yes...it's sometimes hard as hell but always worth it.


I thought it was a great example of her talking that talk to be everything for everybody.

She tried to satisfy the victims of the justice system while also giving the tough on crime for that crowd.
 
So a man that goes into a Black Church, sit down for a hour then open fire killing 9 members shouldn't be eligible for the DEATH SENTENCE?

Fuck that I agree with her, ban the death sentence for the States but the option must be there for acts like OK, SC and any other mass killing.
 
So a man that goes into a Black Church, sit down for a hour then open fire killing 9 members shouldn't be eligible for the DEATH SENTENCE?

Fuck that I agree with her, ban the death sentence for the States but the option must be there for acts like OK, SC and any other mass killing.

:rolleyes2::hmm:

Problem is if your wrong you can't undo it....if a person gets LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF
PAROLE and it was an "un-just" conviction, he can be pardoned, released and given his freedom & life back, the other way does not have this option.

The system is too flawed to allow those whom have historically and up to this very date, treated
innocent Americans un-justly and YOU support that?

WAKE UP!
 
So a man that goes into a Black Church, sit down for a hour then open fire killing 9 members shouldn't be eligible for the DEATH SENTENCE?

Fuck that I agree with her, ban the death sentence for the States but the option must be there for acts like OK, SC and any other mass killing.

WTF South Carolina is a state so how can you have it both ways ?

And the law isn't to make sure you get the one that actually did it but to protect that one that didn't.

Everyday we see people serving 20+ years only to find them innocent....you can't bring back the innocent wheh they been killed

and don't pretend the FEDS haven't fucked up too.
 
Hilary is so damn fake I found her answer troubling. How can you support something as serious as killing someone as punishment despite agreeing that there are obvious, data-proven flaws in many steps of the entire process?
 
Her answer was fine.

It's a complex issue.

In general I think the death penalty should go away. But some people deserve to die.
 
I'm against the death penalty but if the states are still allowed to use it. It should only be used for those who have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Not a case built on circumstantial evidence.
Bottomline is she answered the question. She is for the death penalty.
 
The death penalty needs to be in place for certain people. Why commit an atrocious, unspeakable crime only to get 3 hots and a cot for the rest of your pathetic life!
 
I'm against the death penalty but if the states are still allowed to use it. It should only be used for those who have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Not a case built on circumstantial evidence.
Bottomline is she answered the question. She is for the death penalty.

A lot of frame jobs are based on this. Sadly, how does the jury know when a person has been framed?
 
Her answer was fine.

It's a complex issue.

In general I think the death penalty should go away. But some people deserve to die.

Hillary, is that you? How is it a complex issue? You are either for or against it. Since the judicial system is obviously too flawed, it's only sensible to be against it. Eliminate all these people going to jail for non-violent drug offenses and the country would have no problem housing people convicted of doing violent things.

Let's face it. Justice costs money, and a lot of people don't have money to pay lawyers. A lot of these cases probably need to be reviewed by people who aren't overworked public defenders having to handle all these bullshit drug cases that flood the system.
 
A lot of frame jobs are based on this. Sadly, how does the jury know when a person has been framed?
There are many who go in as jurist with their minds already made up. The frame job continue from the police to the racist jurist. That's why the death penalty should only be applied (by the judge) when there is no doubt of that persons guilt. Otherwise that person should be given up ti a life sentence. Where at least that person has a chance to prove him/herself innocent.
 
Her answer was fine.

It's a complex issue.

In general I think the death penalty should go away. But some people deserve to die.

If the death penalty isn't applied equally then she and you are wrong.

Secondly to me death is too easy....serving life in a super max where you have very little human contact is a punishment
 
Hillary, is that you? How is it a complex issue? You are either for or against it. Since the judicial system is obviously too flawed, it's only sensible to be against it. Eliminate all these people going to jail for non-violent drug offenses and the country would have no problem housing people convicted of doing violent things.

Let's face it. Justice costs money, and a lot of people don't have money to pay lawyers. A lot of these cases probably need to be reviewed by people who aren't overworked public defenders having to handle all these bullshit drug cases that flood the system.

Amen.....

Her answer was for the feebly emnotional who would look at the extremes and say we need the death penalty instead of looking at the many unjustly convicted and put to death.
 
A lot of frame jobs are based on this. Sadly, how does the jury know when a person has been framed?

exactly......isn't beyond a reasonable doubt already the standard and how many are wrongly convicted .

should Lee Harvey Oswald or James Earl Ray have gotten the death sentence ?

how about the three convicted of assassinating Malcolm ?

what about the Central Park 5..

Maybe Geronimo Pratt ?

How about Leonard Peltier ?
 
I agree with the death penalty, but with a few caveats

1 it can only be used for murderers

2 there has to be conclucive DNA evidence linking the suspect to the murder

3 the death sentence must be upheld by the victim's surviving family members

4 the sentence will be commuted to life without parole if the defendant pleads guilty during the trial
 
I agree with the death penalty, but with a few caveats

1 it can only be used for murderers

all murderers or the ones they think deserve death

2 there has to be conclucive DNA evidence linking the suspect to the murder

does it matter that we have seen crime labs fabricate DNA evidence and others that cross contaminate because of incompetence ?

3 the death sentence must be upheld by the victim's surviving family members

Is that a majority vote or does it have to be unanimous. We always see some family wants death and some don't

4 the sentence will be commuted to life without parole if the defendant pleads guilty during the trial

So should the innocent plead guilty to avoid the death penalty ? Many states already use basketball numbers and shitty public defenders to encourage guilty pleas

You idea seems to just continue the current miscarriages of justice based on race and economics
 
Give it up OP.

Hilary WILL be the Nominee!

You can post all the negative posts you want, it won't change the fact that your boy bernie is going to lose, lol!

Such joy for the survival of the status quo.

Bernie is not my boy but his platforms I share...Wouldn't matter if it was Warren running I would be posting the same shit as long as the sheeple overlook Hillary and Bill and what they have meant to us.

But save your laughter because she isn't a lock in the general.
 
The death penalty needs to be in place for certain people. Why commit an atrocious, unspeakable crime only to get 3 hots and a cot for the rest of your pathetic life!


This is why her answer was fine with me...especially if the person is clearly guilty i.e. OKC bombing guy
 
Hillary, is that you? How is it a complex issue? You are either for or against it. Since the judicial system is obviously too flawed, it's only sensible to be against it. Eliminate all these people going to jail for non-violent drug offenses and the country would have no problem housing people convicted of doing violent things.

Let's face it. Justice costs money, and a lot of people don't have money to pay lawyers. A lot of these cases probably need to be reviewed by people who aren't overworked public defenders having to handle all these bullshit drug cases that flood the system.

We all get it...you and Ball are against Hillary.

One more time. SOME PEOPLE DESERVE TO DIE.

Prosecutors to seek death penalty against mother, boyfriend in torture, killing of her son
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Prosecutors to seek death penalty against mother, boyfriend in torture, killing of her son
Joseph SernaContact Reporter
The Los Angeles County district attorney’s office will seek the death penalty against a mother and her boyfriend, who are accused of torturing her 8-year-old son to death, prosecutors announced Wednesday.

Gabriel Fernandez died in May 2013. His mother, Pearl Fernandez, 31, and her boyfriend, Isauro Aguirre, 35, were indicted by a grand jury on a charge of murder and a special circumstance of torture.

Grand jury testimony revealed that Pearl Fernandez had called 911 after she and Aguirre allegedly beat Gabriel for not picking up his toys. After the beating, the boy went silent and stopped responding. When paramedics arrived, they found Gabriel naked in a bedroom, not breathing, with a cracked skull, three broken ribs and BB pellets embedded in his lung and groin. He died two days later.

"It was just like every inch of this child had been abused," testified James Cermak, a Los Angeles County Fire Department paramedic.


According to you I can't be against innocent people being convicted and killed but think people in this story need to die???
 
If the death penalty isn't applied equally then she and you are wrong.

Secondly to me death is too easy....serving life in a super max where you have very little human contact is a punishment

According to you...which isn't saying much.
 
I'm not voting for Hilary in the primaries. And if she continues to talk like this, I won't be voting for her in the general either.
 
Not shocked, nor surprised.

What fun with the death penalty be if black men, black women, and black children couldn't be put to death for the entertainment of white folk.

I believe that not only should we keep the death penalty, but we bring back the community lynchings. And we can go ahead and make them into postcards like the good ol' days.

Maybe and just maybe then black folk can wake up and realize that times have not changed and were still living in a system of Jim Crow 2.0.

My vote may go to Trump. At least he's honest about his racism.
 
I'm not voting for Hilary in the primaries. And if she continues to talk like this, I won't be voting for her in the general either.

Another undercover republican

What exactly has she said to have her on par with republicans and roll back 8 years of Obama?

Cmon lets compare...
 
My vote may go to Trump. At least he's honest about his racism.

Here we go. Exactly what I have been posting non stop about. The constant attacks on Hillary has this effect.

Trump honest?????lol!

Trump’s claim was that since Obama has been a “bad” president, no African-American will be able to win the White House for generations. When Jon Karl pressed him on what he meant by there won’t be another African-American president for generations, Trump broke into his billionaire bluster and claimed that African-Americans and Hispanics will vote for him.



 
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