Kobe's Career better than Jordan's? You be the judge...

[sammyjax]

Thanks for letting me know how you feel about me. Hopefully that makes you feel better about yourself. Really good stuff though..

Also, before getting all airy chest'd. take a moment and think things through, it really isn't that hard...

you are a real charmer buddy lol

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

you are a real charmer buddy lol

I actually appreciate the compliment! Thanks!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

So... why do most of you say Jordan had a better career? Is that based on him winning 1 more chip?

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Whenever the Jordan v Kobe argument pops up every 90 days, you close the case with this simple fact.

Jordan. 6 Rings. 6 Finals MVPs.
Kobe. 5 Rings. 2 Finals MVPs. (real spit - Pau deserved the last one and everyone knows this)

If Kobe isn't the best player on his team, how can he be better than the best player in the history of the league.

Sidebar: If Stern didn't make Jordan take a break cause of his gambling problem, this argument would be even more flimsy.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

He won 2 more chips without Shaq, Pippen won none without MJ...

So he was the man for 2 years ...MJ was the man for 6

 

[theteacher]

I'ma say this... When Jordan won his first ring, he DOMINATED the league. He won 3 in a row and left. Came back DOMINATED again then left. This dude and his team shut opposing teams DOWN. To me, Kobe didn't have that presence. I may be wrong. Then, I might be a lil bias cuz I watched MJ as a kid.

 

[DirtyCake]

He could have played against your mother a few hrs before you were born. Gtfoh He could have played against your Great Grand Father. Who his opponent is doesn't matter. History shows he has 11 titles.

Confirmed Faggot above

 

[Amajorfucup]

Whenever the Jordan v Kobe argument pops up every 90 days, you close the case with this simple fact.

Jordan. 6 Rings. 6 Finals MVPs.
Kobe. 5 Rings. 2 Finals MVPs. (real spit - Pau deserved the last one and everyone knows this)

If Kobe isn't the best player on his team, how can he be better than the best player in the history of the league.

Purposely ridiculous thread. But this post reminded me of something very concerning about Kobe. He never led one of his title teams in win shares. It was always Shaq and Pau. And without either Kobe was either 8th place getting swept or in the lottery.

 

[Lehigh]

Confirmed Faggot above

Yet you pick up chicks with adam's apples in the city on your mase and Eddie shit. You can front for e props its cool. We know your real life. You just pissy I shut you down . You better hit the broadway downtown and get your new year's eve fit ready. You know how your neighborhood gets on new year's bullets go flying.

 

[Mentor B]

Good controversial post to bring insight from both angles. But I need a thumbs down button for niggas who are not too coherent.

 

[tallblacknyc]

i am not a mathematician

but

6 is more than 5



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also 6 finals mvp is more than 2 finals mvp

also double digit scoring titles is way more than a couple

1 defensive player of the yr award is more than zero

never losing in the finals is better than losing twice

 

[Fred G.]

So people are actually responding to this?

This is one of the dumbest threads of the year.

Magic, Bird, Thomas, Duncan, Lebron, Dr. J & Shaq, all have or had better careers than Kobe

Steph Curry too

 

[Fred G.]

i am not a mathematician

but

6 is more than 5



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I think you mean 6 is more than 1

 

[Joe Money]

It is Yes he does. Jordan ain't the king of titles. He is the King of the inner city American male circa 1984-2002.

I don't care if they had six teams. Bill Russell has 11 rings.

I though that was Tupac?

 

[elchoccolatte]

Not Neva...

 

[TimRock]

people still feel the need to debate this?

 

[KingTaharqa]

Bill Russell has 11 titles yet Jordan stans forget that

They cant count clearly. And since Russell didnt win them vs. Jordan they dont count in their mind. Interesting how that works for Daddy Jordan ONLY. His 6 rings against a watered down injured Lakers and 5 teams who never won NOTHING make him superior in the eyes of nostalgic shoe buyers.

He could have played against your mother a few hrs before you were born. Gtfoh He could have played against your Great Grand Father. Who his opponent is doesn't matter. History shows he has 11 titles.

Bill had 11 parades in Boston, won 5 MVP awards. But since MJ came up short topping that lets pretend it never happened. DICKRIDING 101. Funny thing is their grandkids will see clips of MJ scoring career highs on white boys like Ehlo and Ainge and give him the same treatment 20 years from now to prop up whoever Nike is selling in their era.

Bill Russell played in a league that only had 8 teams..........most niggaz forget that.

MJ played in a league that only had a few good teams due to expansion. And none were GREAT like the 80s teams because of it. 6 teams came in the league when he won his chips. In 98 there were 6 teams that had records of 20 wins or less. Most years in the 80s you mightve had 1. And in Bills era most years you had none. Competition was stiff, you faced the same HOFers 6-8 times a year vs. freebies against BUM filled expansion teams like the early Twolves, Vancouver Grizz, Raptors, Hornets, etc.

I think Kobe and MJ are close. If MJ played in the 00s and 10s his numbers would be closer to Kobe's. In the 80s and early 90s he was EASILY the biggest 2 in the league and most athletic. He was guarded by a smaller slower American born white guy in 3 of his 6 NBA Finals. Wouldnt have that advantage in Kobe's era. Both guys ONLY won in Phils triangle and needed another HOFer just to be competitive. MJs failures are glossed over more than Kobes. He scores 63 in a double OT loss and its considered his best game. While Kobe doesnt get that luxury in his high scoring Ls. Kobe DID post a triple double and a 55 point performance on MJ, and has better head to head #'s. Also, MJ quitting so much is a gift and curse. Had he not he surely wouldve took an L or two in the Finals in his prime as the Bulls core had to be remodeled. On the flip side, his production is easily topped by guys who are consistent and have more longevity. No one forced him to quit "he lost his passion for the game" and had "nothing to prove" even though Magic had more rings at the time. Kobes always been told he needs "6" to be better or comparable so he's played longer and couldnt quit whenever he chose.

 

[Ninja05]

No, Kobe is not better than Jordan. Kobe has better career totals because he has played more seasons and Jordan lost three years in his prime (roughly) - 1 to an ankle, two to retirement. More importantly, Kobe is not the best player in his era. Tim Duncan is. But I digress - even Kobe knows he wasn't better than Mike. Once you start looking at Jordan's numbers (32.5-8-8) in a season, consistently shooting 50%, you realize dude was better. No shame in that. Kobe was a better three point shooter but that doesn't make the player.

 

[casavino]

Jordan sat the 4th quarter I saw him....Lebron and Kobe have yet to do this not even Curry

 

[gene cisco]

Playing against 90% whites that dribble right driving down the left side of the court... Fuck outta here

Watching that dude play offensively is just painful to watch. Just painful.

 

[Blu Diablo]

There were superstars before Jordan, but Jordan changed the game at his position. There were other superstars before Iverson, but Iverson changed the game at his position.

Like someone mentioned in the LT/J.J. Watt comparison, Watt is a solid player but LT changed the game at his position. The same can be said of Bullet Bob Hayes.

Once you think in those terms it answers the question with finality.

 

[RED]

Lets just be real here, Kobe's accomplishments are great and we cant take them away from him. However, Jordan was more dominant during the peak of defensive basketball, and had a bigger impact on the game of basketball world wide. Who was Kobe playing against when he scored 60+ points in the garden? Who was he playing against when he scored 80+ points? Can anyone who follows basketball honestly say that Michael wouldn't have scored more against those teams?

This is the same reason why Bill Russell will be the greatest Champion by virtue of his number of chips but, he cannot even deny the lack of opposition for those titles....the key is "who were they playing against" thats what determining factor of greatness....same applies to LeBron James when its all said and done.

 

[TimRock]

Lets just be real here, Kobe's accomplishments are great and we cant take them away from him. However, Jordan was more dominant during the peak of defensive basketball, and had a bigger impact on the game of basketball world wide. Who was Kobe playing against when he scored 60+ points in the garden? Who was he playing against when he scored 80+ points? Can anyone who follows basketball honestly say that Michael wouldn't have scored more against those teams?

This is the same reason why Bill Russell will be the greatest Champion by virtue of his number of chips but, he cannot even deny the lack of opposition for those titles....the key is "who were they playing against" thats what determining factor of greatness....same applies to LeBron James when its all said and done.

But you also have to question who was on Kobes team when he scored those points? Which team had the better record? Can't just say "who was he playing against?". Because if that's the case, who was he playing against when he outscored an entire team thru three quarters? Who did he play against on his way to winning titles? In no way am I saying Kobe is better than Jordan, because he is not, but you can't downplay his accomplishments without taking everything into consideration.

And if that logic applies to lebron, well......

 

[KrafMatik]

The Lakers were fighting for 8th seeds during Kobes prime years. People forget when he threw that elimination game against Phoenix by not shooting the entire 2nd half.

 

[TimRock]

The Lakers were fighting for 8th seeds during Kobes prime years. People forget when he threw that elimination game against Phoenix by not shooting the entire 2nd half.

Also won two rings, went to the finals three times, and won an MVP during those prime years. But you only focus on the negative? And getting an 8th seed with the team he had..... Really?

 

[nibbs]

Jordan.
He did it ...
- ... with Less accompanying talent
- ... while hand checking rules were still in effect.
- ... when personal fouls more leniently called (although there were special Jordan rules).
- ... when zone defenses were not allowed.
- ... when advanced metrics weren't available
- ... when minutes management of Star players and rest nights was not practiced by coaches.

 

[nibbs]

The Lakers were fighting for 8th seeds during Kobes prime years. People forget when he threw that elimination game against Phoenix by not shooting the entire 2nd half.

Why did he throw a game?

 

[TimRock]

So people are actually responding to this?

This is one of the dumbest threads of the year.

Magic, Bird, Thomas, Duncan, Lebron, Dr. J & Shaq, all have or had better careers than Kobe

Steph Curry too

Dumbest post in the dumbest thread

 

[Fred G.]

Dumbest post in the dumbest thread

Says the 2nd dumbest poster on BGOL

 

[KingTaharqa]

Lets just be real here, Kobe's accomplishments are great and we cant take them away from him. However, Jordan was more dominant during the peak of defensive basketball, and had a bigger impact on the game of basketball world wide.

Jordan NEVER beat the great defensive teams of the 80s. He got swept by the Celtics twice, never made it to a Finals to face the Kareem-led Lakers, and lost to the Pistons 3 years in a row. It wasnt until a defensive rule change (the creation of the flagrant foul rule) in 1990 that he finally beat them ONCE. As I stated before, in the Finals Jordan was being guarded by Terry Teagle, Clyde Drexler, Danny Ainge, Dan Majerle, Hersey Hawkins, Jeff Hornacek. 3 white boys, 2 non all stars, and 1 HOFer. All except Clyde were shorter. In Kobe's era 6'8 shooting guards and 6'9 small forwards that can fly are not uncommon. Jordan never saw no parts of that. The only small forward that came close to that was his teammate.

Who was Kobe playing against when he scored 60+ points in the garden? Who was he playing against when he scored 80+ points? Can anyone who follows basketball honestly say that Michael wouldn't have scored more against those teams?

I hate Kobe, but its unfair to assume that MJ could do anything he did. Fact is, he didnt. Kobe scored 81 in regulation. MJ's 63 & 69 point performances came in double OT games. Jordan was a weak long distance shooter and had it not been for the NBA moving the 3 point line in a few years of the 90s his percentage would be even lower.

This is the same reason why Bill Russell will be the greatest Champion by virtue of his number of chips but, he cannot even deny the lack of opposition for those titles....the key is "who were they playing against" thats what determining factor of greatness....same applies to LeBron James when its all said and done.

Bill Russell went thru Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, & Bob Pettit for his rings. MJ went thru those guards I namd earlier. Here are the big men... Vlade Divac, Kevin Duckworth, Mark West, Oliver Miller, Jim McIlvaine, Ervin Johnson, Greg Ostertag, Antoine Carr. He didnt face 1 HOF big in a Finals, not even Hakeem who was drafted the same year as him. MJ's Finals comp in the 90s is some of the WORST in NBA Finals history.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Op is dumb

 

[God Dammit]

Jordan NEVER beat the great defensive teams of the 80s. He got swept by the Celtics twice, never made it to a Finals to face the Kareem-led Lakers, and lost to the Pistons 3 years in a row. It wasnt until a defensive rule change (the creation of the flagrant foul rule) in 1990 that he finally beat them ONCE. As I stated before, in the Finals Jordan was being guarded by Terry Teagle, Clyde Drexler, Danny Ainge, Dan Majerle, Hersey Hawkins, Jeff Hornacek. 3 white boys, 2 non all stars, and 1 HOFer. All except Clyde were shorter. In Kobe's era 6'8 shooting guards and 6'9 small forwards that can fly are not uncommon. Jordan never saw no parts of that. The only small forward that came close to that was his teammate.



I hate Kobe, but its unfair to assume that MJ could do anything he did. Fact is, he didnt. Kobe scored 81 in regulation. MJ's 63 & 69 point performances came in double OT games. Jordan was a weak long distance shooter and had it not been for the NBA moving the 3 point line in a few years of the 90s his percentage would be even lower.



Bill Russell went thru Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, & Bob Pettit for his rings. MJ went thru those guards I namd earlier. Here are the big men... Vlade Divac, Kevin Duckworth, Mark West, Oliver Miller, Jim McIlvaine, Ervin Johnson, Greg Ostertag, Antoine Carr. He didnt face 1 HOF big in a Finals, not even Hakeem who was drafted the same year as him. MJ's Finals comp in the 90s is some of the WORST in NBA Finals history.

Fam... You're killing these dudes!
Jordan's dick warmers are getting mad at you.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Op is dumb

Explain?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

So people are actually responding to this?

This is one of the dumbest threads of the year.

Magic, Bird, Thomas, Duncan, Lebron, Dr. J & Shaq, all have or had better careers than Kobe

Steph Curry too

You're entitled to your opinion Bruh, however, look at your first two sentences.... Then you proceed to comment on the read topic?!

I think Forrest Gump said it best...

 

[Ninja05]

Fam... You're killing these dudes!
Jordan's dick warmers are getting mad at you.

Naw...no one mentioned who those 6'8 or 6'9 players were? That's because no one knows who those guys were except maybe Jalen Rose. The point being - what watered down the league are these players coming in straight from high school or after one year of college who don't know a lick of defense. So you can name Honaceck and whomever, but those dudes knew how to play defense and those squads knew how to play team defense. Who exactly was Kobe guarded by? Which paragon of defense was checking Kobe in the finals???? Shit - who was playing defense in the late 2000s on a routine basis like squads in the 90s - Let alone the 1980s?

What I know is that Jordan didn't win in the 80s because he was routinely playing against some of the greatest squads of all time. Period. The east was legendary back then. C'mon man, the Dwight Howard led Orlando Magic????? For real? Kobe is raw, no doubt. He is the second greatest 2g of all time. Jordan was still getting better numbers in th 80s (don't know how flagrant foul rule change played into him getting 37.1 ppg in 1987 or 32.5, 8 and 8 in 1988, but I digress).

The final nail is probably the fact that Jordan led a squad that went 72,69, and 67 wins while leading the league in scoring and getting MVPs. I have no idea how this has gotten so far..lol. Folks are even mentioning head to head numbers like there is a 14 years difference in ages. The only metrics where Kobe wins are career totals (just barely even though he has 5 more seasons) and highest scoring game. Literally everthing else is in Jordan's favor including better team seasons and the competition he faced.