Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches & more

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http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/oaklands-culture-clash/Content?oid=4536327


Mayor Libby Schaaf has sometimes been ridiculed on social media for overusing the phrase "secret sauce" when describing her hometown (and for riding too often in that fire-breathing snail car). But she's right: Oakland does have a "secret sauce." It's an extraordinarily diverse city with a storied history, and a long tradition of political and social justice activism. It boasts a thriving arts and culture scene, it's one of the hottest food destinations in the country, and its music scene remains as vibrant and creative as ever. Oakland is also a city of contradictions: It's both loud and tranquil, crowded and desolate, beautiful and gritty.

But many newcomers to The Town, perhaps drawn here by housing that is much cheaper than it is in San Francisco (although it's very expensive here and getting worse), seem to be unaware of Oakland's secret sauce, or they desperately want to change Oakland so that it's more like Anywhere, USA.

We've seen this culture clash erupt recently several times. And, unfortunately, it's had racist overtones.

For example, our cover story last week featured an in-depth look at racial profiling by white Oakland residents on Nextdoor.com. The story detailed how white Oaklanders have increasingly flocked to the popular website to report "suspicious" behavior and urge each other to call police on Black people in their neighborhood who have done nothing wrong. The problem has gotten so bad that many Black residents have become increasingly concerned that their white neighbors will call police on them or their children merely for walking down the street or wearing a hoodie.

Late last month, we also reported on our website about a white resident who lives near Lake Merritt calling police on a group of Black drummers who were playing at the lake one evening. Even though drummers playing music at the lake has been a long tradition in the city, Oakland police responded to the man's call with a large number of officers and then proceeded to hand out citations.

And then last week, NBC Bay Area reported on the increasing number of noise and other types of complaints being filed — apparently by newcomers to West Oakland — against Black churches in their neighborhoods. Paul Cobb, a longtime West Oakland resident and publisher of the Oakland Post, a Black newspaper, said the issue of white newcomers calling police or filing complaints against innocent Black residents has gotten seriously out of hand. "It's super arrogant," Cobb told me. "Churches don't cause crime. Churches don't cause blight. Churches don't cause crime."

Cobb and other Black leaders blame the forces of displacement and gentrification for the growing culture clash — of wealthy, young white residents with lots of disposable income coming here from San Francisco and outbidding longtime residents on homes and apartments. Cobb, who has been a homeowner in West Oakland for decades, says it's not uncommon now for young white residents and realtors to knock on his door and ask to buy his home. "They're so bold ... people have come to my house and asked, 'When are you leaving?' ... It's like they're saying, 'We want you out. You're in the way.'"

James Vann, who is Black and is a longtime tenants' advocate, blames the displacement of Oakland's Black residents and the current culture clash on the city's weak tenants' rights laws and the failure of our elected leaders to create enough affordable housing for local residents. "There's a lot of tension right now ... rents are going up and people are being evicted — landlords are pushing people out," he said. Vann also noted that, unlike many other California cities, Oakland still allows developers to build housing in the city without including or paying for more affordable housing. "Our policymakers have just not been aggressive at all about doing anything."

He's right, of course. Schaaf and some city councilmembers have said that preventing displacement and creating more affordable housing are high priorities — but they have yet to actually do anything.

Many longtime Oaklanders, meanwhile, have directed their anger, not at city officials, but at new residents, heaping scorn on them as "gentrifiers." But while the actions of some newcomers have been obnoxious, and even racist at times, the city's elected leaders deserve much of the scorn for their glacier-like pace in addressing Oakland's affordability crisis.

As for the newcomers who are hell-bent on remaking Oakland? Here's a bit of unsolicited advice: You're not going to get welcome hugs with that type of attitude. Sure, Oaklanders would love to reduce crime and make the city safer. But we don't want to achieve that by racially profiling our neighbors of color.

So, please, turn off Nextdoor.com — or use it to actually to get to know your neighbors and help them create a community. And stop calling police on musicians — they're an essential part of what makes this city so great. Also, don't complain about your local Black church. It's likely doing far more good than you know.

In short, take another taste of Oakland's secret sauce. Go to a First Friday event. Check out the city's fabulous art galleries. Go to a concert. See an A's, Raiders, or Warriors game. Eat at a Fruitvale taco truck or a Chinatown takeout joint. Take a hike in Joaquin Miller Park or stroll around Lake Merritt. This city has a hella lot to offer.

And then after you do those things, make sure you tell your elected leaders to do something about this housing crisis.
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

Waiting to see how this turns out. West Oakland seems like a good place to buy in. Got family giving me the intell. Economic comeup # Just business. I'm touching down tonight.
 
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Waiting to see how this turns out. West Oakland seems like a good place to buy in. Got family giving me the intell. Economic comeup # Just business. I'm touching down tonight.

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Christians think they are above rules, that's funny because let there be a buch of Muslims yelling at the top of their lugs or some Hindi beating their drums and singing loud, they would be the first to complain.. But because they are doing it for Jesus that somehow makes it ok, because in their minds they are doing it for the right God..:smh:
Shit don't fly with CAC's because they know that shit is phony as hell, they should know, because they invented the shit..
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

Waiting to see how this turns out. West Oakland seems like a good place to buy in. Got family giving me the intell. Economic comeup # Just business. I'm touching down tonight.

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Fuck them cacs hope they rot in hell. :smh: They were doing the same thing in DC when I first arrived here. False reports of loud noises.

This is why white people will never side with black people against the cops, because they know the cops are their tool/army for displacing unwanted black people.

Blame it on some tenant laws Gtfoh just call it what it is, Racism in practice.
 
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this just proves.

"blacks" bring UP property value!!!!
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

As i said in that San Fran thread... Oakland is racist as fuck too!
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

Waiting to see how this turns out. West Oakland seems like a good place to buy in. Got family giving me the intell. Economic comeup # Just business. I'm touching down tonight.


You still squatting in that white bitch house in Detroit ? :smh:
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

Fuck them cacs hope they rot in hell. :smh: They were doing the same thing in DC when I first arrived here. False reports of loud noises.

This is why white people will never side with black people against the cops, because they know the cops are their tool/army for displacing unwanted black people.

Blame it on some tenant laws Gtfoh just call it what it is, Racism in practice.


This just happened here. Tired of these crackas.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/13/jason-goolsby-protest-police-washington-dc
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

If the blacks in that area get their asses handed to them, they deserve it. Step your game up. Know your rights. Get lawyers BEFORE this shit happens to you. Be prepared. File complaints, fight claims, go to court and stand up to them. Don't just bitch that white people don't want you around, take steps to protect you and your entire community from them. Get shit on camera, show tickets, citations, harassment, etc.
 
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White people are taking over Oakland. :smh:
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

i know the fucking rent is throught the roof!

thats my biggest concern concerning oakland!
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

Christians think they are above rules, that's funny because let there be a buch of Muslims yelling at the top of their lugs or some Hindi beating their drums and singing loud, they would be the first to complain.. But because they are doing it for Jesus that somehow makes it ok, because in their minds they are doing it for the right God..:smh:
Shit don't fly with CAC's because they know that shit is phony as hell, they should know, because they invented the shit..

:hmm:
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

well Black people elected a white "liberal" AGAIN (Jerry brown was the other so called white liberal), and both are fucking up the city for Black people.

and just maybe try owning some shit, if you have lived in the city for 10+ years. that way your block is really your block, keep that shit in the family, keep the schools up, and fuck the outsiders that only want to cause trouble, welcome in those that are open minded and willing to mold together.
 
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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...s-Responds-to-Noise-Complaints-331187662.html

The guy in the video who said he filed the complaint against the church is black.

I swear people have to do their own research before believing some of the things posted online. Not saying there aren't racist cacs filing false complaints(didn't research any more than the church), but I wonder what else is wrong in the article.
 
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White people are taking over Oakland. :smh:

Started under Jerry Brown, but it has accelerated recently :smh:

Some of these young cacs have so much loot... I grew up in a middle to upper middle-class neighborhood in Oakland and in 2000 a young dude and his wife paid $750K in cash for the home next to my parents. He moved in 2010 to a $2 million fixer upper in Piedmont... but this is the climate in some areas :smh:. Very few of the homes have the same owners from just a decade or so ago... a lot of people who had been there since the 70's, black and white, and paid $50+K for their home took the money and retired. Virtually all young cacs now.

A lot has been tech money, but also a lot of foreign investors, Chinese in particular.

Just looking on twitter, there is constant talk about moving from SF to Oakland and surrounding cities instead of being raped by rent in SF.

Only going to get worse as Uber moves into the Sears building. Google been rumored to want office space in Oakland since forever.

Oakland as a whole ain't what it used to be.
 
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West Oakland and HP/Bay View were probably one of the last markets in the bay where cats could do a quick come up through real estate. It is probably too late to get in now - my pops owns a duplex in West O and a house in HP - I came home for Christmas a few years back and saw white boys skating at night on Market near West Grand. :eek: Right near AJ's barbershop and that Arco...it was a matter of time.

White folks are moving back to the inner-city to be close to jobs/night life/downtown/crafsman and victorian homes and we are giving this shit away. One bedrooms in West O going for $1800 to $2200. Shit is crazy
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

Oakland as a whole ain't what it used to be.

I'm here right now..just got here.. I told Large Bills that Oakland is whiter than fucking Nebraska now.. :smh:...
 
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It all started on First Fridays. That increased the cac influx 10 fold. Hipster central. Oakland reminds me so much of Brooklyn it's crazy. Same shit happening.

I now see cacs riding their fixed gear bikes deep down west grand in west oakland like nothing. Im waiting for one to be murked to see how they respond.
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

It all started on First Fridays. That increased the cac influx 10 fold. Hipster central. Oakland reminds me so much of Brooklyn it's crazy. Same shit happening.

I now see cacs riding their fixed gear bikes deep down west grand in west oakland like nothing. Im waiting for one to be murked to see how they respond.

I thought the same shit... reminds me of Brooklyn. Man..I was out here late last night.. by lake merritt.. remember that old motel that used to be on lake merritt..shit has been remodeled since I was last here..it used to be fucked up over there...i used to see crackheads and shit hanging over there... that area at night used to be kind of suspect... i saw a white bitch over there late last night. riding her bike slow as fuck.. with headphones on singing some Cher shit like as fuck without a worry in the world.. shit is mad different since the last time I was here.. white people over here in numbers mad comfortable
 
Re: Oakland's Culture Clash... cacs filing noise complaints against Black churches &

Waiting to see how this turns out. West Oakland seems like a good place to buy in. Got family giving me the intell. Economic comeup # Just business. I'm touching down tonight.

I bought a multiunit building in West Oakland during the downturn and it is easily the best financial decision i've made.It was on one of the worst streets in West Oakland as well.In a few short years it has gotten much safer. I have to be honest,gentrifiers are making West Oakland so much better.I'm pro-black but we have to be honest with ourselves. For years West Oakland has been dilapidated,trash everywhere,and cats selling dope on every corner. Many of the churches ARE loud.Loud to the point where you can hear the people in them a block away.These Gentrifiers are organizing community pickups,establishing viable businesses,calling the cops on dealers etc etc which is making West Oakland far better. Prices are high right now but IMO West Oakland is on the upswing and the best place to invest in Oakland right now.
 
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Fuck them cacs hope they rot in hell. :smh: They were doing the same thing in DC when I first arrived here. False reports of loud noises.

This is why white people will never side with black people against the cops, because they know the cops are their tool/army for displacing unwanted black people.

Blame it on some tenant laws Gtfoh just call it what it is, Racism in practice.

What exactly do you want changed in Tenant Laws? Oakland already has Rent Control and an arbitration board. Last year rents exploded well over 10% but I could only raise my rents 1.2%. My tenants are paying under half of what the market is asking because of rent control.
 
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I bought a multiunit building in West Oakland during the downturn and it is easily the best financial decision i've made.It was on one of the worst streets in West Oakland as well.In a few short years it has gotten much safer. I have to be honest,gentrifiers are making West Oakland so much better.I'm pro-black but we have to be honest with ourselves. For years West Oakland has been dilapidated,trash everywhere,and cats selling dope on every corner. Many of the churches ARE loud.Loud to the point where you can hear the people in them a block away.These Gentrifiers are organizing community pickups,establishing viable businesses,calling the cops on dealers etc etc which is making West Oakland far better. Prices are high right now but IMO West Oakland is on the upswing and the best place to invest in Oakland right now.

Besides you responding to a troll who couldn't afford a doll house you're right. If you don't plan on living there with kids. The schools are awful in the area and lots of murders still go down. I looked at a re modeled 4 bed 4 bath with a fucking guest house out back for 350k.

Shit had two stories, wood throughout, all modern etc. Outside though right off mandela parkway in the lower bottoms. Niggas on the corner of the house were selling crack openly . About 15 niggas just taking over the whole sidewalk. That's how you walk out one day and get caught in a shootout. But the close easy access to the BayBridge make it ideal for those priced out the city and spend tons of time thers.
 
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It all started on First Fridays. That increased the cac influx 10 fold. Hipster central. Oakland reminds me so much of Brooklyn it's crazy. Same shit happening.

I now see cacs riding their fixed gear bikes deep down west grand in west oakland like nothing. Im waiting for one to be murked to see how they respond.

I've always compared West Oakland to Brooklyn with SF being Manhattan.Black folks that have the dough need to lock into a home before we are totally priced out.Many of the black folks are leaving West Oakland and moving to Antioch which is far away and got really hood and cheap.

I'm in the West Grand area alot. I'm seeing white women in fishnet panties riding the streets on their bikes like its nothing.
 
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Besides you responding to a troll who couldn't afford a doll house you're right. If you don't plan on living there with kids. The schools are awful in the area and lots of murders still go down. I looked at a re modeled 4 bed 4 bath with a fucking guest house out back for 350k.

Shit had two stories, wood throughout, all modern etc. Outside though right off mandela parkway in the lower bottoms. Niggas on the corner of the house were selling crack openly . About 15 niggas just taking over the whole sidewalk. That's how you walk out one day and get caught in a shootout. But the close easy access to the BayBridge make it ideal for those priced out the city and spend tons of time thers.

How long ago? 350K is a good price. I'd buy it and move some white folks in there. They will call the cops and those dudes wont do shit to them.Then, when the neighborhood improves,kick em out and move in.

In 2011 I saw a beautiful Victorian Duplex on Chester street. I passed on it because it smelled like cat piss and dopeboys were selling dope too close. It was selling for 150K. Now on zillow its worth close to 600k.The dopeboys moved their operation 2 blocks away. The rents would gross 5K a month. I'm kicking myself for passing on it.
 
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How long ago? 350K is a good price. I'd buy it and move some white folks in there. They will call the cops and those dudes wont do shit to them.Then, when the neighborhood improves,kick em out and move in.

This was like 3 years ago I'm sure that shit been snatched up and is worth 2 times that now. The area needs a grocery store bad.
 
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I bought a multiunit building in West Oakland during the downturn and it is easily the best financial decision i've made.It was on one of the worst streets in West Oakland as well.In a few short years it has gotten much safer. I have to be honest,gentrifiers are making West Oakland so much better.I'm pro-black but we have to be honest with ourselves. For years West Oakland has been dilapidated,trash everywhere,and cats selling dope on every corner. Many of the churches ARE loud.Loud to the point where you can hear the people in them a block away.These Gentrifiers are organizing community pickups,establishing viable businesses,calling the cops on dealers etc etc which is making West Oakland far better. Prices are high right now but IMO West Oakland is on the upswing and the best place to invest in Oakland right now.

but that same shit could've been done if they didn't leave the people living their hanging out to dry.

there weren't numerous failed attempts at lots of resources to influx into that area where the people said fuck that we like the gutter. it was abandoned.

shit was like my high school. it was broke down as fuck when i was there. it wasn't because we didn't want to learn it was because nobody wanted to spend any money on it.

i graduate and they intice white kids to go suddenly there's a brand new gym pool paint job and buildings in that same motherfucking school i went to that didn't get a dime from anybody to do nothing..

now people will say "damn its so much better now.. the black kids must not have wanted to take care of it"

and the shit wasn't the truth
 
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West Oakland and HP/Bay View were probably one of the last markets in the bay where cats could do a quick come up through real estate. It is probably too late to get in now - my pops owns a duplex in West O and a house in HP - I came home for Christmas a few years back and saw white boys skating at night on Market near West Grand. :eek: Right near AJ's barbershop and that Arco...it was a matter of time.

White folks are moving back to the inner-city to be close to jobs/night life/downtown/crafsman and victorian homes and we are giving this shit away. One bedrooms in West O going for $1800 to $2200. Shit is crazy

Mark my words, they are gonna build some nice shit down West Grand in that area. You notice they tore down those old factories on West Grand by McClymonds? Make sure your pops never sells those houses bro.
 
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Mark my words, they are gonna build some nice shit down West Grand in that area. You notice they tore down those old factories on West Grand by McClymonds? Make sure your pops never sells those houses bro.

yup. my aunts lived there but wanted to move to be closer to each other and was gonna sell the houses, so i had them give them shits to me. i ain't never selling.
 
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but that same shit could've been done if they didn't leave the people living their hanging out to dry.

there weren't numerous failed attempts at lots of resources to influx into that area where the people said fuck that we like the gutter. it was abandoned.

shit was like my high school. it was broke down as fuck when i was there. it wasn't because we didn't want to learn it was because nobody wanted to spend any money on it.

i graduate and they intice white kids to go suddenly there's a brand new gym pool paint job and buildings in that same motherfucking school i went to that didn't get a dime from anybody to do nothing..

now people will say "damn its so much better now.. the black kids must not have wanted to take care of it"

and the shit wasn't the truth



Some of what you are saying is true but IMO its a part of a victim mentality that plagues us. You are right, things get done when white people get involved.Some of it is because they are white,but a large part of it is that they take efficient action. I see notices around the neighborhoods for community trash pickups,its always white folks.PTA meetings, full of white folks.Community meetings, full of white folks.That neighborhood website cited in the article, what is keeping black folks from logging onto it? I love my people, be we just haven't been PROactive. Instead, we are REactive and complain when things don't go our way. Right now in East Oakland, what trash pickups do you see organized? How many people are calling the cops on the hoes on E14? How many people are organizing Neighborhood watch meetings? How much participation in the PTA?
 
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yup. my aunts lived there but wanted to move to be closer to each other and was gonna sell the houses, so i had them give them shits to me. i ain't never selling.

Props....Aye, if you have any questions about landlording, feel free to hit me up. My building is in that area and i've been coming up and shit has been really easy. NEVER sell those homes.Its like selling a Goose that lays a Golden egg that month.With the price of gold raising.
 
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