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the best player in the NBA is at the end of the shit like he's a piece to help love out in his championship quest and shit
For the life of me I don't see how anybody can diss these moves Cleveland just made.
For Dion Waiters, the Cavs got:
Smith (instant offense)
Shumpert (defensive wing)
Mosgov (serviceable big man)
What's the complaint? That is advantage Cleveland in my book....
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For Dion Waiters, the Cavs got:
Smith (instant offense)
Shumpert (defensive wing)
Mosgov (serviceable big man)
What's the complaint? That is advantage Cleveland in my book....
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They still need a real big man
and Kevin Larry Bird in his prime Love ain't lifting these dudes up while Lebron is out.
The moves they have to make cause they gotta win it this year cause if they don't next year they could very well be shit out of luck.
It's not about being a LeBron fan... It's just you're saying stupid shit.
Let's look at it
Kevin Love leaves... Why? He's playing with one of, if not the best player on the planet. There's no pressure on him to be "the man" and if they lose OH WELL the blame goes to James n not him.
Then you say bosh glad he gone. And why is that? So bosh miss going to the finals now? playing for chips every year? Hanging Eastern Conf. championship banners every year? He miss DEEP playoff runs, being the "old" Chris Bosh only once every few weeks vs night in/night out? You can't say it's money related, because he only took more money because LeBron WASN'T there. He was willing to take less if LeBron stayed n he said that numerous times.
And LeBron blaming those dudes... When he do that? Did that come out his mouth or are you speculating, listening to those asshats on ESPN? Who on that team is of championship pedigree? I'll go one further. Who on that team has experienced any sort of PLAYOFF success? The ones that have, hell they likely came with LeBron FROM Miami. And the ones that matter (the other 2/3 of the big 3) have ZERO playoff minutes.
All LeBron has ever said is "we're a young talented team but we don't know how to win."
Is that passing the buck? Did he say THEY need to learn to win? Like I say you keep saying STUPID SHIT.
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Lebron never wants to be in the middle
Cavaliers-Warriors Preview
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While the Golden State Warriors keep piling up wins as they get closer to full strength, the Cleveland Cavaliers continue to plummet without LeBron James.
After Andrew Bogut made a surprising return, the Warriors will try to continue their ridiculous scoring pace as they seek a 14th consecutive home victory Friday night against the trade-happy Cavaliers.
Golden State's Klay Thompson finished with 40 points -- one shy of his career best -- and hit six 3-pointers Wednesday, while Stephen Curry added 21 to go along with a season high-tying 15 assists and four 3s in a 117-102 win over visiting Indiana.
The league-best Warriors (28-5) have scored 120.7 per game on 50.9 percent shooting -- including 43.0 from 3-point range -- over their last six home games and average a league-best 113.8 points there.
Now they're continuing to get healthier in the frontcourt at they try to extend their longest home winning streak since a club-record 15-game run set from Dec. 13, 1989-Feb. 15, 1990.
Bogut, who opened the season as the starting center, finished with four points and eight rebounds Wednesday when he returned about a week early from a 12-game absence due to knee chondromalacia and bone edema.
Forward David Lee is averaging 10.6 points and 5.8 rebounds in nine games since missing 24 with a hamstring injury.
"I need to get into a rhythm myself and feel like I'm playing well going into the playoffs," Bogut said.
Marreese Speights and Draymond Green have taken advantage of their opportunities in the frontcourt. Green has averaged 11.0 points, 10.8 boards, 2.5 steals and 2.5 blocks in the past four games, while Speights has scored 18.3 per game.
"(Speights) has earned (the starting job). He's played so well," said coach Steve Kerr, whose club is 11-0 versus Eastern Conference opponents. "I want to ease Bogut back."
Without Thompson in the most recent meeting with the Cavaliers, Curry finished with 27 points and five 3-pointers and Green contributed 18 points and nine rebounds in a 103-94 home loss March 14.
Cleveland's Kyrie Irving scored 16 in that contest and he had a season-high 38 in Wednesday's 105-93 home loss to Houston.
Kevin Love added 17 points and 16 boards, giving him an average of 25.5 and 12.5 over his last four games. He's also scored 30.3 per game to go with 14.7 rebounds in his last three versus Golden State.
Cleveland (19-17), however, has scored 89.6 per game on 39.3 percent shooting while losing six of seven with James sitting the past six due to knee and back injuries.
Iman Shumpert isn't expected to make his Cavs debut because of a dislocated left shoulder after he came over from New York along with J.R. Smith in Monday's three-team trade. Smith went scoreless on 0-of-5 shooting Wednesday.
The Cavaliers then acquired Timofey Mozgov from Denver on Wednesday for two first-round draft picks. The Cavs feel he can fill in at center after Anderson Varejao went down for the season with a torn Achilles.
"It's something that we need," James said. "It's something that once Andy went down, it was something obviously we needed to get bigger in the interior and adding a guy like that who can protect the rim, it will help our team as well."
Cleveland hopes to avoid matching its longest skid of the season at four as it opens a five-game western trip. James isn't expected back until Wednesday's matchup with the Los Angeles Lakers.
The Cavaliers snapped a six-game slide in this series with their victory in March.
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While the Golden State Warriors keep piling up wins as they get closer to full strength, the Cleveland Cavaliers continue to plummet without LeBron James.
After Andrew Bogut made a surprising return, the Warriors will try to continue their ridiculous scoring pace as they seek a 14th consecutive home victory Friday night against the trade-happy Cavaliers.
Golden State's Klay Thompson finished with 40 points -- one shy of his career best -- and hit six 3-pointers Wednesday, while Stephen Curry added 21 to go along with a season high-tying 15 assists and four 3s in a 117-102 win over visiting Indiana.
The league-best Warriors (28-5) have scored 120.7 per game on 50.9 percent shooting -- including 43.0 from 3-point range -- over their last six home games and average a league-best 113.8 points there.
Now they're continuing to get healthier in the frontcourt at they try to extend their longest home winning streak since a club-record 15-game run set from Dec. 13, 1989-Feb. 15, 1990.
Bogut, who opened the season as the starting center, finished with four points and eight rebounds Wednesday when he returned about a week early from a 12-game absence due to knee chondromalacia and bone edema.
Forward David Lee is averaging 10.6 points and 5.8 rebounds in nine games since missing 24 with a hamstring injury.
"I need to get into a rhythm myself and feel like I'm playing well going into the playoffs," Bogut said.
Marreese Speights and Draymond Green have taken advantage of their opportunities in the frontcourt. Green has averaged 11.0 points, 10.8 boards, 2.5 steals and 2.5 blocks in the past four games, while Speights has scored 18.3 per game.
"(Speights) has earned (the starting job). He's played so well," said coach Steve Kerr, whose club is 11-0 versus Eastern Conference opponents. "I want to ease Bogut back."
Without Thompson in the most recent meeting with the Cavaliers, Curry finished with 27 points and five 3-pointers and Green contributed 18 points and nine rebounds in a 103-94 home loss March 14.
Cleveland's Kyrie Irving scored 16 in that contest and he had a season-high 38 in Wednesday's 105-93 home loss to Houston.
Kevin Love added 17 points and 16 boards, giving him an average of 25.5 and 12.5 over his last four games. He's also scored 30.3 per game to go with 14.7 rebounds in his last three versus Golden State.
Cleveland (19-17), however, has scored 89.6 per game on 39.3 percent shooting while losing six of seven with James sitting the past six due to knee and back injuries.
Iman Shumpert isn't expected to make his Cavs debut because of a dislocated left shoulder after he came over from New York along with J.R. Smith in Monday's three-team trade. Smith went scoreless on 0-of-5 shooting Wednesday.
The Cavaliers then acquired Timofey Mozgov from Denver on Wednesday for two first-round draft picks. The Cavs feel he can fill in at center after Anderson Varejao went down for the season with a torn Achilles.
"It's something that we need," James said. "It's something that once Andy went down, it was something obviously we needed to get bigger in the interior and adding a guy like that who can protect the rim, it will help our team as well."
Cleveland hopes to avoid matching its longest skid of the season at four as it opens a five-game western trip. James isn't expected back until Wednesday's matchup with the Los Angeles Lakers.
The Cavaliers snapped a six-game slide in this series with their victory in March.
I think Spencer can fill the role of the 2nd bigman, to me Marion numbers should be cut into in favor of Spencer.. The Cavs have to realize that a average big man is better than what they have with out Mozgov on the floor, they are better off with a average at best big man than none..
This fuckin thread should be deleted. 
YALL minus whale jump into the Alexander oakfor sweepstakes
http://deadspin.com/report-cavaliers-players-ignore-openly-gripe-about-da-1679460529
Yet on BGOL(and to some local fans on sports talk) It's all Love.
Fuck the coaching situation. Told folks at the start of the season the team wasn't listening(it was Love's fault then too), now it's getting more and more obvious.
The report today from one insider was Love isn't being used correctly. He's getting the ball out of position. No shit. Any Cavs fan can tell you they ain't running the fucking offense(we already know of his defensive problems, but his offensive problems combined with defensive problems make him one of the cavs problems).
They might focus on getting him the ball for a few possessions early on, and then it's total fucking chaos out there.
And to that point, the report today says the team isn't running the sets called from the bench.
No shit. I been ranting and raving about that since November.
And now Lue is calling timeouts behind the coaches back. Blatt like
. Players openly talking shit about the coach with opponents. Every time I witnessed a player trying to stop a coach from getting T'd up, they pull him OR step in front of him and the ref. They don't shove him like a bitch.
Yeah, this coaching situation is beyond crazy now with the reports today. It's fucked. There isn't anyone to get that LEBRON will listen to. And Kyrie is a known fucking coaching headache. A 6'2 170 pound supposed PG who no fucking coach in the known universe can get to play PG.
The only player on the team that Blatt goes at is Love. Ironically, he is the one of the only ones who seems to listen to him. Go figure.
I wanted to keep Wiggins. Only backed Love when it became clear Lebron was getting what he wanted. But even with Wiggins, this team wasn't going to do better than 19-20 with all this mutiny shit and inconsistent play(which speaks to effort and execution).
Yet on BGOL(and to some local fans on sports talk) It's all Love.
Fuck the coaching situation. Told folks at the start of the season the team wasn't listening(it was Love's fault then too), now it's getting more and more obvious.The report today from one insider was Love isn't being used correctly. He's getting the ball out of position. No shit. Any Cavs fan can tell you they ain't running the fucking offense(we already know of his defensive problems, but his offensive problems combined with defensive problems make him one of the cavs problems).
They might focus on getting him the ball for a few possessions early on, and then it's total fucking chaos out there.
And to that point, the report today says the team isn't running the sets called from the bench.
No shit. I been ranting and raving about that since November. And now Lue is calling timeouts behind the coaches back. Blatt like
. Players openly talking shit about the coach with opponents. Every time I witnessed a player trying to stop a coach from getting T'd up, they pull him OR step in front of him and the ref. They don't shove him like a bitch. Yeah, this coaching situation is beyond crazy now with the reports today. It's fucked. There isn't anyone to get that LEBRON will listen to. And Kyrie is a known fucking coaching headache. A 6'2 170 pound supposed PG who no fucking coach in the known universe can get to play PG.
The only player on the team that Blatt goes at is Love. Ironically, he is the one of the only ones who seems to listen to him. Go figure.
I wanted to keep Wiggins. Only backed Love when it became clear Lebron was getting what he wanted. But even with Wiggins, this team wasn't going to do better than 19-20 with all this mutiny shit and inconsistent play(which speaks to effort and execution).
I want my 100 dollars on friday
Report: Tristan Thompson turned down four-year, $52 million contract extension with Cavaliers
Dan Feldman
Jan 14, 2015, 1:50 PM EST
Just how much power does LeBron James wield in the Cavaliers organization?
And by extension how much sway does his agent, Rich Paul – who says LeBron considers the agency and other clients to be family – hold in Cleveland?
Tristan Thompson really want to know.
Paul cleared the way for LeBron’s return to the Cavaliers, and no matter how much they’ve struggled so far, they should be grateful to land an NBA superstar. One of the ways they could express their gratitude is awarding Thompson, another client of Paul’s Klutch Sports agency, a hefty new contract.
It seems they tried.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports:
Thompson turned down a $13-million-a-year extension offer – four-year, $52 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
This would explain the optimism leading up to the Oct. 31 deadline for Thompson to sign an extension. That’s a very generous offer, one that would have ranked highly among his class – below Kyrie Irving (five years, $89 million-$98 million), Klay Thompson (four years, $70 million), Ricky Rubio (four years, $55 million) and Nikola Vucevic (four years, $54 million) and above Kenneth Faried (four years, $50 million), Kemba Walker (four years, $48 million), Alec Burks (four years, $42 million-$45 million), Markieff Morris (four years, $32 million), Marcus Morris (four years, $20 million) and all the other players who didn’t get extensions.
It’s hard to see Thompson as worth $13 million per season. He moves well for his size, and that gives him defensive versatility and creates offensive opportunities. But not even two years ago, he didn’t know which hand was best for shooting. He clearly has his limits.
It’s easy to pin this on Thompson and Paul getting greedy, trying to leverage LeBron’s influence too far. And that might be the case.
But there’s also a chance Thompson is taking a smart risk. He could accept Cleveland’s $6,777,589 qualifying offer this summer and become an unrestricted free agent in 2016, just as the NBA’s salary cap skyrockets under the new national TV deals. There’s no guarantee that plan would benefit Thompson, but there’s also a chance $13 million for a player of his caliber would be a bargain in that new environment.
And if Thompson and Paul were just leveraging the LeBron connection, well, that won’t be vanishing when Thompson and Cleveland talk contract again this offseason. If the Cavaliers were willing to overpay Thompson in October because of LeBron, why wouldn’t they still be willing to in July because of LeBron?
Dan Feldman
Jan 14, 2015, 1:50 PM EST
Just how much power does LeBron James wield in the Cavaliers organization?
And by extension how much sway does his agent, Rich Paul – who says LeBron considers the agency and other clients to be family – hold in Cleveland?
Tristan Thompson really want to know.
Paul cleared the way for LeBron’s return to the Cavaliers, and no matter how much they’ve struggled so far, they should be grateful to land an NBA superstar. One of the ways they could express their gratitude is awarding Thompson, another client of Paul’s Klutch Sports agency, a hefty new contract.
It seems they tried.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports:
Thompson turned down a $13-million-a-year extension offer – four-year, $52 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
This would explain the optimism leading up to the Oct. 31 deadline for Thompson to sign an extension. That’s a very generous offer, one that would have ranked highly among his class – below Kyrie Irving (five years, $89 million-$98 million), Klay Thompson (four years, $70 million), Ricky Rubio (four years, $55 million) and Nikola Vucevic (four years, $54 million) and above Kenneth Faried (four years, $50 million), Kemba Walker (four years, $48 million), Alec Burks (four years, $42 million-$45 million), Markieff Morris (four years, $32 million), Marcus Morris (four years, $20 million) and all the other players who didn’t get extensions.
It’s hard to see Thompson as worth $13 million per season. He moves well for his size, and that gives him defensive versatility and creates offensive opportunities. But not even two years ago, he didn’t know which hand was best for shooting. He clearly has his limits.
It’s easy to pin this on Thompson and Paul getting greedy, trying to leverage LeBron’s influence too far. And that might be the case.
But there’s also a chance Thompson is taking a smart risk. He could accept Cleveland’s $6,777,589 qualifying offer this summer and become an unrestricted free agent in 2016, just as the NBA’s salary cap skyrockets under the new national TV deals. There’s no guarantee that plan would benefit Thompson, but there’s also a chance $13 million for a player of his caliber would be a bargain in that new environment.
And if Thompson and Paul were just leveraging the LeBron connection, well, that won’t be vanishing when Thompson and Cleveland talk contract again this offseason. If the Cavaliers were willing to overpay Thompson in October because of LeBron, why wouldn’t they still be willing to in July because of LeBron?
Thompson gambling for 2016.
Cavaliers-Lakers Preview
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If there is indeed a rivalry between LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, then it has been exceedingly one-sided in James' favor.
On pace for his fewest wins since his rookie season, James will try to continue his dominance of the Lakers when the Cleveland Cavaliers head to Los Angeles on Thursday night.
James returned to the Cavaliers' lineup Tuesday in Phoenix after missing eight games with an ailing left knee, but he was unable to prevent Cleveland (19-20) from losing its sixth straight and ninth in 10 games. The 107-100 defeat dropped the Cavaliers under .500 for the first time since they were 6-7 on Nov. 24.
Yet despite the outcome and continued losing streak, Tuesday's contest seemed to feature a full-strength James -- a fact both he and coach David Blatt believe bodes well for their upcoming schedule.
"I thought he was terrific," Blatt said. "I mean that's not new for anybody but I just thought he laid it out there and that's not an easy thing. He hasn't played a competitive game in eight games. I just thought he was terrific."
James finished with 33 points on 11-of-18 shooting for his highest scoring total since Dec. 12.
"(Wednesday) at practice my lungs were burning ... I couldn't make those moves two weeks ago," James said. "To come back and feel the way I like to feel was pretty cool."
Less praise was directed toward Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love as they continue to adjust to their supporting roles. Both finished with nine points and combined to shoot 7 for 25 from the field, while Irving committed a season-worst eight turnovers and Love did not play the fourth quarter.
"Everybody's a little surprised, but I don't look at that team," Lakers coach Byron Scott said of Cleveland's losing streak. "I got my own problems. I don't look at what they're doing or how they're playing."
Like James, Bryant also returned Tuesday and picked up a loss as Los Angeles (12-27) fell to Miami 78-75. Bryant posted one of the worst shooting nights in his career, converting 3 of 19 shots for a 15.8 field goal percentage.
Bryant sat in three of Los Angeles' previous four games.
"The hard part is sitting down for stretches and then trying to get back in," Bryant said. "I feel like the Tin Man, you know what I mean? But that's just part of the process, part of the challenge. It's not something I'm whining or complaining about. I'll just work through it and get my legs used to playing again."
He expects to be on the court again Thursday to take on James -- an opponent he has struggled against in the past. James has won 12 of 15 matchups with Bryant dating back to 2006, scoring 28.9 per contest and topping the 30-point mark in three of the past four meetings.
Bryant has been less successful, especially in recent contests. During James' stint with Miami, Bryant averaged 24.7 points in six matchups but notched only one victory.
Irving has scored only 13.0 points over his last three games with the Lakers, but could see an improvement on Thursday given Los Angeles' porous defense. The Lakers own the second-worst scoring defense in the league, allowing 106.8 points per game.
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If there is indeed a rivalry between LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, then it has been exceedingly one-sided in James' favor.
On pace for his fewest wins since his rookie season, James will try to continue his dominance of the Lakers when the Cleveland Cavaliers head to Los Angeles on Thursday night.
James returned to the Cavaliers' lineup Tuesday in Phoenix after missing eight games with an ailing left knee, but he was unable to prevent Cleveland (19-20) from losing its sixth straight and ninth in 10 games. The 107-100 defeat dropped the Cavaliers under .500 for the first time since they were 6-7 on Nov. 24.
Yet despite the outcome and continued losing streak, Tuesday's contest seemed to feature a full-strength James -- a fact both he and coach David Blatt believe bodes well for their upcoming schedule.
"I thought he was terrific," Blatt said. "I mean that's not new for anybody but I just thought he laid it out there and that's not an easy thing. He hasn't played a competitive game in eight games. I just thought he was terrific."
James finished with 33 points on 11-of-18 shooting for his highest scoring total since Dec. 12.
"(Wednesday) at practice my lungs were burning ... I couldn't make those moves two weeks ago," James said. "To come back and feel the way I like to feel was pretty cool."
Less praise was directed toward Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love as they continue to adjust to their supporting roles. Both finished with nine points and combined to shoot 7 for 25 from the field, while Irving committed a season-worst eight turnovers and Love did not play the fourth quarter.
"Everybody's a little surprised, but I don't look at that team," Lakers coach Byron Scott said of Cleveland's losing streak. "I got my own problems. I don't look at what they're doing or how they're playing."
Like James, Bryant also returned Tuesday and picked up a loss as Los Angeles (12-27) fell to Miami 78-75. Bryant posted one of the worst shooting nights in his career, converting 3 of 19 shots for a 15.8 field goal percentage.
Bryant sat in three of Los Angeles' previous four games.
"The hard part is sitting down for stretches and then trying to get back in," Bryant said. "I feel like the Tin Man, you know what I mean? But that's just part of the process, part of the challenge. It's not something I'm whining or complaining about. I'll just work through it and get my legs used to playing again."
He expects to be on the court again Thursday to take on James -- an opponent he has struggled against in the past. James has won 12 of 15 matchups with Bryant dating back to 2006, scoring 28.9 per contest and topping the 30-point mark in three of the past four meetings.
Bryant has been less successful, especially in recent contests. During James' stint with Miami, Bryant averaged 24.7 points in six matchups but notched only one victory.
Irving has scored only 13.0 points over his last three games with the Lakers, but could see an improvement on Thursday given Los Angeles' porous defense. The Lakers own the second-worst scoring defense in the league, allowing 106.8 points per game.
Yeah, it's a close one, but there aren't many true cavs fans on the board.
First they have to win or lose, and then there has to be a bad Kevin Love showing for the board to talk Cavs these days. If they win and Love does good, crickets.
You might be on to something with those remarks.
I understand the Lakers sucks and the Cavs are mess but I figured Kobe vs Lebron would get some love.
If the Cavs lose, its on the coach, can someone please tell me why they left Marion in the game and substituted Mazgov instead?
Really with all those pick and rolls the clippers run, you want him out there???
I want him and Thompson protecting the paint..
I was....so was Mask...
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