THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[Rollie_Fingaz]

That was a terrible PPV. Just a glorified RAW. THe tag match was dope tough.

The comb over was getting bad, but it wasn't that bad

​

My dude...look at this shit:

 

[RiverCity]

NJPW “KING OF PRO-WRESTLING”, 10/14/13 (WPW/PPV/iPPV)
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1. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Title: Rocky Romero & Alex Koslov (c) vs. TAKA Michinoku & Taichi
2. Toru Yano vs. Minoru Suzuki
3. Hiroyoshi Tenzan Return & Takaaki Watanabe Farewell Match: Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Takaaki Watanabe vs. Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr.
4. Special 6 Man Tag Match: Togi Makabe, Tomoaki Honma & Kota Ibushi vs. Prince Devitt, Karl Anderson & Bad Luck Fale
5. Special Singles Match: Tomohiro Ishii vs. Katsuyori Shibata
6. Special Singles Match: Yuji Nagata vs. Kazushi Sakuraba
7. NEVER Openweight Title (& IWGP Heavyweight Title shot): Tetsuya Naito (c) vs. Yujiro Takahashi
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[ScottyPiffen745]

Once I saw Cena was in the WHC title match, I lost all interest in the PPV and RAW.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

That was a terrible PPV. Just a glorified RAW. THe tag match was dope tough.

saw that ME finish coming from a mile away

 

[RiverCity]

5/5/2013 Aichi, Aichi Prefectural Gym ~DEAD or ALIVE 2013
1. Jimmy'z (Ryo "Jimmy" Saito, Genki Horiguchi H.A.Gee.Mee!!, & Jimmy Kanda) vs. Super Shenlong III, Super Shisa, & Cyber Kong
2. Windows (K-ness & Kotoka) vs. Jimmy'z (Jimmy Kagetora & Naoki Tanizaki)
3. Ricochet vs. Jimmy Susumu
4. Open the Triangle Gate Title Match: World-1 International (Naruki Doi, Shachihoko BOY, & Rich Swann) (c) vs. Team Veteran Returns (Masaaki Mochizuki, HUB, & Don Fujii)
5. Open the Brave Gate Title Match: Dragon Kid (c) vs. Masato Yoshino
6. Open the Twin Gate Title Match: Mad Blankey/BxB Nation (BxB Hulk & Uhaa Nation) (c) vs. -akatsuki-/TakaYAMA (Shingo Takagi & YAMATO)
7. Open the Dream Gate Title Match: CIMA (c) vs. Akira Tozawa

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[Simply Sickenin']

Am I the only one who's tired of hating on Cena. It's not like he's gotten any better, but fighting against the machine just seems like a losing battle. When it's all said and done, dude will probably end up being a 25 time world champion. I still can't bring myself to say that I like him as a performer, but I just don't have the energy to hate on the man anymore.

​

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Shout to River City for the contributions.

I like this. If they got footage of AJ defending against people from different organizations and some side footage it could make a GREAT DVD. This is what the WWE should have done with CM Punk.

It's exactly what they should have done with Punk and didn't. They rushed him back and jobbed him out for three months.
Indies need to be buzzing Dixie non-stop to see if they can book AJ. A hard fought loss to the TNA world champ could work for some indy guys like when the NWA champ used to come to town. AJ could be like Flair, go from company to company and help scout talent. Flair used to do that and brought the Midnight Express and Rock N Roll Express to Crockett.

Mannnnnn!!!! She did that shit as she was getting in the ring at BFG Velvet can put the pigeons back in the coop.

Don't know if I like this or not. I kinda like the idea that he didn't look like all of their other monster heel characters .... i.e. bald head and a beard. ​

He should trim down the beard. There are already like 4 guys in WWE with big bushy beards. The slick head is a good start.

saw that ME finish coming from a mile away

I didn't (I wasn't really paying attention) until HHH got in Shawn's face at Raw and said he would do "what's right for business." It was more obvious than Bully Ray's turn and TNA was intentionally foreshadowing that.
I didn't mention it because it would have been a spoiler but they had been advertising Orton defending the title on Raw and house shows in different markets for weeks so the finish wasn't in doubt, it just would have been better had they NOT buried Bryan and let Orton win this clean, just like how he put Mark Henry over a couple years ago in HiaC.

Am I the only one who's tired of hating on Cena. It's not like he's gotten any better, but fighting against the machine just seems like a losing battle. When it's all said and done, dude will probably end up being a 25 time world champion. I still can't bring myself to say that I like him as a performer, but I just don't have the energy to hate on the man anymore.

​

Been on that bandwagon. Still have to call him out on those horrible promos because they're entirely his fault. But having him power out of ADR's crossbreaker on his bad arm is on the bookers, not him. He's doing as he's told.​

 

[Heavenlywings77]

whack ass monday night raw

Unfortunately I can't say shit. I'm copping the game and season pass tomorrow

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

It's exactly what they should have done with Punk and didn't. They rushed him back and jobbed him out for three months.

Indies need to be buzzing Dixie non-stop to see if they can book AJ. A hard fought loss to the TNA world champ could work for some indy guys like when the NWA champ used to come to town. AJ could be like Flair, go from company to company and help scout talent. Flair used to do that and brought the Midnight Express and Rock N Roll Express to Crockett.

They should do whaat Flair did with the NWA title.

 

[Nochturnal]

Am I the only one who's tired of hating on Cena. It's not like he's gotten any better, but fighting against the machine just seems like a losing battle. When it's all said and done, dude will probably end up being a 25 time world champion. I still can't bring myself to say that I like him as a performer, but I just don't have the energy to hate on the man anymore.

​

Fuck Cena... that is all

Sent from my SGS 3

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Am I the only one who's tired of hating on Cena. It's not like he's gotten any better, but fighting against the machine just seems like a losing battle. When it's all said and done, dude will probably end up being a 25 time world champion. I still can't bring myself to say that I like him as a performer, but I just don't have the energy to hate on the man anymore.

​

I don't hate Cena as a person, but I just hate the way they book him as Super Cena.

Like they're playing up this whole arm injury thing, but instead of using it as a vulnerability and letting him lose because of it, they instead use it to make him look stronger as if he needed to look stronger than he already does.

Why not let him lose a couple important matches so people would actually feel bad that his opponents are taking advantage of his injury to get easy wins over him THEN have him win a big match despite the injury?

With him coming out the gate winning matches with one arm, it just makes him look like he doesn't even need both arms to beat muthafuckas.

 

[chemist]

I just started getting back into wrestling maybe two months ago. I knew I was away for awhile because I didn't even know HHH was running things now. Wifing up the owners daughter does have its advantages. I was able to go onto youtube to see when HHH fired Vince McMahon then Vince fired HHH. HHH was always a great heal and now in this position is continuing the legacy of douchebagness of the executives in the WWE. He does it well and I enjoy him on tv even when he's not wrestling. Also Stephanie is a sexy fake big tittied flat ass bitch. The faces she makes are great. Pure aggression.

The problem now I see with the WWE is they have great big stars but their mid-level stars suck. I tape Raw/Smackdown and watch the beginning but end up fast forwarding until the end because their mid level guys aren't worth watching. I went back on youtube to watch the drafts they used to have. They had so much talent that both Raw and Smackdown had their own individual rosters. Now they don't even have a good enough roster for one show.

 

[chrislee]

The problem now I see with the WWE is they have great big stars but their mid-level stars suck. I tape Raw/Smackdown and watch the beginning but end up fast forwarding until the end because their mid level guys aren't worth watching. I went back on youtube to watch the drafts they used to have. They had so much talent that both Raw and Smackdown had their own individual rosters. Now they don't even have a good enough roster for one show.

Do your self a favor & just subscribe to their Youtube channel. I was a hardcore fan my whole life but now im just casual with it. I check their Youtube channel to see what went down on Raw & Smackdown & don't have to sit threw of ffwd through bullshit.

Their mid lvl guys aren't bad. Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, and a few others are all right. Anyone that watch wrestling during the attitude era/Monday night wars knows that the programing were getting pales in comparison.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

They should do whaat Flair did with the NWA title.

Yep.
The different indies don't even have to sacrifice any of their own guys. They can bring in non contract players that are floating around the indies like Adam Pearce and Colt Cabana to work with AJ. It can be done, it just takes effort and imagination.

I don't hate Cena as a person, but I just hate the way they book him as Super Cena.

Like they're playing up this whole arm injury thing, but instead of using it as a vulnerability and letting him lose because of it, they instead use it to make him look stronger as if he needed to look stronger than he already does.

Why not let him lose a couple important matches so people would actually feel bad that his opponents are taking advantage of his injury to get easy wins over him THEN have him win a big match despite the injury?

With him coming out the gate winning matches with one arm, it just makes him look like he doesn't even need both arms to beat muthafuckas.

And then he beats Damien Sandow, killing his (really bad) MitB
victory and push. Who's next? ADR talked shit last night but if he can't beat Cena coming off injury, how can we believe he can beat him in a rematch? If he wasn't SuperCena before, he damn sure was last night. Sandow beat the hell out of him and still lost.

I just started getting back into wrestling maybe two months ago. I knew I was away for awhile because I didn't even know HHH was running things now. Wifing up the owners daughter does have its advantages. I was able to go onto youtube to see when HHH fired Vince McMahon then Vince fired HHH. HHH was always a great heal and now in this position is continuing the legacy of douchebagness of the executives in the WWE. He does it well and I enjoy him on tv even when he's not wrestling. Also Stephanie is a sexy fake big tittied flat ass bitch. The faces she makes are great. Pure aggression.

The problem now I see with the WWE is they have great big stars but their mid-level stars suck. I tape Raw/Smackdown and watch the beginning but end up fast forwarding until the end because their mid level guys aren't worth watching. I went back on youtube to watch the drafts they used to have. They had so much talent that both Raw and Smackdown had their own individual rosters. Now they don't even have a good enough roster for one show.

I watch the same way. On a bad ep, you can blow through a show in 30-35 minutes.
Their mid carders are actually pretty good but booked horribly. Sandow, The Shield, Dolph, Sheamus, even lower guys like Drew McIntyre and Tyson Kidd, can go but they're all so disposable.
They have the in ring talent for two shows still but they don't have the booking talent to make them all relevant.


He might have on the bodysuit and gold paint but damn if Goldust isn't wrestling like Dustin Rhodes 1992. He's wrestling like the guy people thought would be a world champion.

 

[Heavenlywings77]

Am I the only one who's tired of hating on Cena. It's not like he's gotten any better, but fighting against the machine just seems like a losing battle. When it's all said and done, dude will probably end up being a 25 time world champion. I still can't bring myself to say that I like him as a performer, but I just don't have the energy to hate on the man anymore.

​

I can,I'll hate him 4 you

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Just finished watching last night's Raw

Not even two days after I try to make peace with Cena and stop the hate, the bookers and writers pulled this shit. Not only do they book Cena to win, but they have him power his way out of Del Rio's finishing move .... on his injured arm no less So what was the point of having the commentators mention in every other sentence for the last week that his arm is really injured and how Del Rio's finishing move would be a game changer.

And then if that wasn't bad enough, you book him to win, clean, over Damian the very next night. They just made both Damian and Del Rio look unbelievably weak. And they completely wasted Damain's MitB win. I suspect that this is the last time we'll hear his name and the words 'World Championship' in the same sentence.

Still trying to move pass just hating Cena and put it on the writers but wow. It's like they lurk on here and saw that comment, and said, "Oh yeah, you're not going to hate Cena. Well what if we do this!!!!"

And moving pass Cena .... Give Punk something to do, or give him some time off. But I'm tired of Punk vs. Ryback. Punk is better than this. And Kane works for the authority now?!?!? So is Big Show challenging Orton for the title or are we about to end up with a another Big Show vs. Kane feud.

Or the much better question .... why do I even bothering asking anymore. This is looking like one of those years where I have to just walk away until we get closer to the road to Mania. I don't see anything of worth happening until then anyway.

​

 

[chemist]

This was the best part of Raw last night.

 

[O.J PIMPSON]

I'm not just blaming the writers for Cena any more. He has the pull around there to say na, give such and such a run with the ball, let me do this or that. Its hey Cena want the belt here you go, and he bores the shit out of people. Its not needed all the time. He does not need the belt. The people wanted Sandow last night. I mean look at how bad he beat on that arm and it was all null and void because Cena doesn't want to lose. Its bullshit

 

[Simply Sickenin']

I'm not just blaming the writers for Cena any more. He has the pull around there to say na, give such and such a run with the ball, let me do this or that. Its hey Cena want the belt here you go, and he bores the shit out of people. Its not needed all the time. He does not need the belt. The people wanted Sandow last night. I mean look at how bad he beat on that arm and it was all null and void because Cena doesn't want to lose. Its bullshit

You might have a point. I don't know what kind of power Cena has backstage, but I know it would have been a HUGE stand-up guy move if he refused to do an angle where he made both Del Rio and Damian look that weak on back to back nights. These guys travel together all year long and they're mostly friends, so Cena could (probably should) have just said, "No, I'm not jobbing out my friends like that. I've had the title before and I'll get it again. But I don't wait to rob Damian of what might be his only shot of EVER getting it."​

 

[dirtyd]

The problem is assuming Cena has a problem with the booking, remember this is the same guy who destroyed Miz on Raw and then made the "dog burying a bone" motion. There was a story that came out last year from a former employee i forget the name atm but he said back in 03 Cena went up to Vince and told him(and i'm paraphrasing) that he was willing to do anything when Vince told the locker room to step up, so as i see it Cena won't change because this is what he's wanted from the start.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Not a Cena guy. I never understood until I went to wwe in ft worth in May. Dude is a fucking cash cow. Kids want his shit & parents buy tons of it. He's a face investors can be happy to have & his merchandise will fly off the shelves. I usually lose interest after mania & sporadically keep up, but the May show kept me into it & I'm starting to realize...this shit is for kids. They've geared the show for kids, I guess it's because they're publicly traded, but it's mindless, dumb, boring booking adults will hate that kids eat up

 

[Nochturnal]

Just finished watching last night's Raw

Not even two days after I try to make peace with Cena and stop the hate, the bookers and writers pulled this shit. Not only do they book Cena to win, but they have him power his way out of Del Rio's finishing move .... on his injured arm no less So what was the point of having the commentators mention in every other sentence for the last week that his arm is really injured and how Del Rio's finishing move would be a game changer.

And then if that wasn't bad enough, you book him to win, clean, over Damian the very next night. They just made both Damian and Del Rio look unbelievably weak. And they completely wasted Damain's MitB win. I suspect that this is the last time we'll hear his name and the words 'World Championship' in the same sentence.

Still trying to move pass just hating Cena and put it on the writers but wow. It's like they lurk on here and saw that comment, and said, "Oh yeah, you're not going to hate Cena. Well what if we do this!!!!"

And moving pass Cena .... Give Punk something to do, or give him some time off. But I'm tired of Punk vs. Ryback. Punk is better than this. And Kane works for the authority now?!?!? So is Big Show challenging Orton for the title or are we about to end up with a another Big Show vs. Kane feud.

Or the much better question .... why do I even bothering asking anymore. This is looking like one of those years where I have to just walk away until we get closer to the road to Mania. I don't see anything of worth happening until then anyway.

​

On top of all of this, what's going to happen to Daniel Bryan? Is he just going to get pushed back to midcard status? If so what was the point of the whole program with him HHH and Orton? This cat is by far the most over cat they've had in years, and this is how they run the angle with him, with no payoff

I'm not just blaming the writers for Cena any more. He has the pull around there to say na, give such and such a run with the ball, let me do this or that. Its hey Cena want the belt here you go, and he bores the shit out of people. Its not needed all the time. He does not need the belt. The people wanted Sandow last night. I mean look at how bad he beat on that arm and it was all null and void because Cena doesn't want to lose. Its bullshit

You might have a point. I don't know what kind of power Cena has backstage, but I know it would have been a HUGE stand-up guy move if he refused to do an angle where he made both Del Rio and Damian look that weak on back to back nights. These guys travel together all year long and they're mostly friends, so Cena could (probably should) have just said, "No, I'm not jobbing out my friends like that. I've had the title before and I'll get it again. But I don't wait to rob Damian of what might be his only shot of EVER getting it."​

Cena has had that power since McMahon called the meeting and declared Cena their new Hogan years ago. That bastard is just as arrogant and self-righteous as Hogan too.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

And Kane works for the authority now?!?!?

​

looks like the Wyatts are also..

 

[Multi - Personality]

In other news...

Former WWE Diva Kharma tweeted the following photo on Wednesday, revealing that she’s lost a ton of weight since we last saw her on television:

 

[Multi - Personality]

In other news...

Former WWE Diva Kharma tweeted the following photo on Wednesday, revealing that she’s lost a ton of weight since we last saw her on television:

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I'm not just blaming the writers for Cena any more. He has the pull around there to say na, give such and such a run with the ball, let me do this or that. Its hey Cena want the belt here you go, and he bores the shit out of people. Its not needed all the time. He does not need the belt. The people wanted Sandow last night. I mean look at how bad he beat on that arm and it was all null and void because Cena doesn't want to lose. Its bullshit

I'm putting it all on McMahon. Cena is the ultimate good soldier. If Vince says "Put over Sandow". He'd do it with no problem. But Vince doesn't say it and, while he might have the stroke, he's getting his way so he doesn't have a reason to suggest any changes.
All problems, all of them, fall on McMahon.
He gets credit for being a "genius" but somehow all the bullshit falls on writers or the wrestlers themselves.

On top of all of this, what's going to happen to Daniel Bryan? Is he just going to get pushed back to midcard status? If so what was the point of the whole program with him HHH and Orton? This cat is by far the most over cat they've had in years, and this is how they run the angle with him, with no payoff

He's done for now.
When Vince said this during their conference call

Vince McMahon opened the call and said he was happy with WWE Studios, as it is finally doing well. He was not with the SummerSlam buyrate being down. "They didn't buy the attraction" and he added that these events are attraction driven. When you consider that the main event was John Cena vs. Daniel Bryan, it's not hard to see who will get the blame for the buyrate being down.

The writing is on the wall for Bryan.
Too bad.

I found some context on that BFG crowd

The actual paid attendance for TNA Bound For Glory was 2,622 but there were 3,000 fans in the building so TNA didn't paper that much. TNA officials are taking this as a positive. When WWE ran a live event in San Diego this past August, there were almost 4,000 in the building but only 2,358 paid.

So it wasn't that bad after all.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

 

[chemist]

What do you think about Brock Lesnar and Goldberg returning on a regular basis? Lesnar is still young at 36 and I'm sure Goldberg is still in great shape. After John Cena and Randy Orton who are the big stars? I just think they need more big names in the mix.

 

[Nochturnal]

In other news...

Former WWE Diva Kharma tweeted the following photo on Wednesday, revealing that she’s lost a ton of weight since we last saw her on television:

Damn, good move for her. She needs to work on those arms though.

 

[Nochturnal]

What do you think about Brock Lesnar and Goldberg returning on a regular basis? Lesnar is still young at 36 and I'm sure Goldberg is still in great shape. After John Cena and Randy Orton who are the big stars? I just think they need more big names in the mix.

Sounds like a rehash of what WCW was doing.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

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[Rocky Miavia]

In other news...

Former WWE Diva Kharma tweeted the following photo on Wednesday, revealing that she’s lost a ton of weight since we last saw her on television:

https://twitter.com/Kharma

 

[fu2]

 

[chrislee]

Report: A Roman Reigns Babyface Turn Planned?

By Ryan Clark on October 31, 2013

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

WWE is currently planning to turn Roman Reigns into a babyface and have him leave The Shield. WWE teased the idea on RAW this past Monday night during their backstage promo. Dean Ambrose pointed out that he was the only one with a title and Roman Reigns gave him an angry look.

The face turn isn’t expected to happen for the next several months. WWE still sees value in The Shield as a group, even though The Wyatt Family has moved into the main event picture against CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.

John Cena: ‘World Title Is Viewed As Second-Tier’

By Ryan Clark on November 1, 2013

In an interview with NOLA.com, John Cena spoke about the status of the World Heavyweight title as a “second-tier” championship. Here are highlights:

On bringing prestige back to the World Heavyweight Championship: “This is not taken as a shot of disrespect to anyone who has held the title before me, but it’s now viewed as a second-tier championship. [Defending the title at WrestleMania XXX] will truly put a stamp on making it the real deal. I want the WWE universe to realize that it’s not a second-tier championship. It should be treated with as much respect as the WWE Title.”

On coming up on passing Ric Flair’s legendary 16-time title reign: “If I have two more, that means I’m going to lose it two more times. So I’d rather stay at 14. That record is held in pretty high esteem. Just to be in that conversation, that means I’ve done something right over the years. If it gets to the point of where it does happen, I’ll enjoy hearing what our fans have to say.”

On his critics: “I’m glad at least (the critics) are watching. So I’ll keep accepting their criticism as far as my in-ring skill set and just keep moving on. I’ve won 14 championships with five moves, and if I could only get myself a sixth one, I’ll be able to break that 16 mark. … I truly take (the criticism) in jest.”

If Cena has to hold onto the world title from now until Mania then im cool with it as long as the world title gets the rightful respect it deserves.

 

[c_commander]

What do you think about Brock Lesnar and Goldberg returning on a regular basis? Lesnar is still young at 36 and I'm sure Goldberg is still in great shape. After John Cena and Randy Orton who are the big stars? I just think they need more big names in the mix.

Thing is that they're not going to. They probably have more value as people you see from time to time instead of every week and more importantly they know that they don't have to agree to working a regular schedule and wouldn't agree to doing so.