IRS Tea Party Targeting wrong

We need a whole revamp of the non-profit status of group. If you contribute money to help feed the homeless, Habitat for Humanity, medical care, education or other essential services that people need to survive, a person should get a super deduction of 120 percent of the amount contributed not subject to AMT at all. If you give to a non-profit group that is political or involved in esoteric bullshit, than the deduction should be 60-90%.

It reduces the role of government and helps with the wealth disparity in this country.
 

"Checks and balances once in place were taken away. Guidance frequently published by the IRS and closely read by tax lawyers and nonprofits disappeared. Even as political activity by social welfare nonprofits exploded in recent election cycles, repeated requests for the IRS to clarify exactly what was permitted for the secretly funded groups were met, at least publicly, with silence.

All this combined to create an isolated office in Cincinnati, plagued by what an inspector general this week described as “insufficient oversight,” of fewer than 200 low-level employees responsible for reviewing more than 60,000 nonprofit applications a year.

No one, including the IRS and the inspector general, has presented evidence that political bias was a factor"


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Why not post your questions in a thread that is at least tangentially relevant to the question. This thread, in case you haven't noticed, isn't.

You could have easily asked those questions in a thread I just updated: Obama’s Numbers -- Since He Took Office or maybe the well-known Economy Slowly Improves; Gunner Hates it thread.

ahhh que, I didn't bring up the economy angle. You and thought did.

That's why I thought it was relevant.

You was implying that this scandal was made public to distract the public away from the good economic policies. This is why I ask about what policies President Obama has implemented to create this bull market. The reason I brought that up is because if this scandal was a ploy to distract the public, then where's the story that we should be paying attention to. All of this is connected because you, and thought brought up the economy.
 
ahhh que, I didn't bring up the economy angle. You and thought did.

That's why I thought it was relevant.

You was implying that this scandal was made public to distract the public away from the good economic policies. This is why I ask about what policies President Obama has implemented to create this bull market. The reason I brought that up is because if this scandal was a ploy to distract the public, then where's the story that we should be paying attention to. All of this is connected because you, and thought brought up the economy.


The question is: what have the republicans done in the last 5 years to create a bull market.

Obstruction?
 
The question is: what have the republicans done in the last 5 years to create a bull market.

Obstruction?

Pretty much. That's why the republicans kept the house. This is why your party *because you do support the democratic party's ideology* hasn't regain the house. Hell, they probably won't take back the house until 2018 at the earliest.

BTW, blame the Democratic held senate for flubbing the gun control ploy. I strongly believe that the gun control bill was designed to fail in the house. Giving President Obama the political advantage.

*edit* we can talk about the scandals now. Lets agree to disagree T1.
 
ahhh que, I didn't bring up the economy angle. You and thought did.

That's why I thought it was relevant.

You was implying that this scandal was made public to distract the public away from the good economic policies. This is why I ask about what policies President Obama has implemented to create this bull market. The reason I brought that up is because if this scandal was a ploy to distract the public, then where's the story that we should be paying attention to. All of this is connected because you, and thought brought up the economy.




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Pretty much. That's why the republicans kept the house. This is why your party *because you do support the democratic party's ideology* hasn't regain the house. Hell, they probably won't take back the house until 2018 at the earliest.

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The Republicans kept the House due to gerrymandering, not some type of policy preference from the voting public. If that were the case, the GOP won have won either the White House, the Senate, or both.

Dave you obviously do not understand what being independent really truly means.

To the contrary, I know exactly what it means. Going by your distorted definition, I should go to great lengths to come up with some type of fantasy ideology because some other poster has a similar philosophy. That's actually far from "independent" as I would be basing my actions on someone else's.

True, you might formed your political beliefs on your own *just like many on this board has*, but that's not what it means. [that's actually exactly what it means. But go ahead-UD] If that was the case, everyone is an independent politically. I'm going off your political beliefs. You just admit that you agree with t1 mostly. Reading the posts T1 makes, we all know that he is a progressive/liberal/far-left/ect. He will never admit that though because just like anyone else in that ideology group, they tend to be cowards when labels are in play. I can't respect a man/woman who lacks the willingness to be honest with themselves. To me, if your ideology is so great, why are you scared to be labeled as such.

I don't even know what this means. At no time have I have not eagerly proclaimed that I was a staunch progressive. The threads I start say that. My posts say that. Now if somehow you missed that, that's a you problem.
I can't even imagine anyone who is not White, wealthy, Christian, and straight being anything but a progressive since being American Conservatism has been proven to be 100% wrong in every case of social justice and equality.

I'm really trying not to look at you in the same light as T1, but you are making it really hard.

Again, so MSNBC, THINKPROGRESS, and all the other left-leaning media outlets are truthful in your eyes? Maybe I wasn't as specific with my question.

You were very specific, you just equated an individual in T1 to a major media corporation in FNC.

I don't follow all of them but MSNBC has proven to be a credible news source, down to making on air corrections and apologies when they get something wrong. The Nation magazine is the same. As is Mother Jones.
I trust them not because they have hosts and writers that agree with my ideology but because they're proven to be credible and take their jobs seriously. That job is to inform. Not spin, not fabricate, not create false equivalencies but to simply report what has happened.
 
Pretty much. That's why the republicans kept the house. This is why your party *because you do support the democratic party's ideology* hasn't regain the house. Hell, they probably won't take back the house until 2018 at the earliest.

BTW, blame the Democratic held senate for flubbing the gun control ploy. I strongly believe that the gun control bill was designed to fail in the house. Giving President Obama the political advantage.

*edit* we can talk about the scandals now. Lets agree to disagree T1.

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I was wondering why he was conspicuously absent from this thread! Kinda expected the Obama is the same as Bush talking point.

:lol:


i like the way people complain about the media of mass distraction then fall for it every time.

please let us know when something substantive happens to this church.
 
Pretty much. That's why the republicans kept the house. This is why your party *because you do support the democratic party's ideology* hasn't regain the house. Hell, they probably won't take back the house until 2018 at the earliest.

BTW, blame the Democratic held senate for flubbing the gun control ploy. I strongly believe that the gun control bill was designed to fail in the house. Giving President Obama the political advantage.

*edit* we can talk about the scandals now. Lets agree to disagree T1.

Lets!

IRS: Charities Overstepping Into Politics
By MARY DALRYMPLE, AP Tax Writer
13 minutes ago

IRS exams found nearly three out of four churches, charities and other civic groups suspected of having violated restraints on political activity in the 2004 election actually did so, the agency said Friday.

Most of the examinations that have concluded found only a single, isolated incidence of prohibited campaign activity.

In three cases, however, the IRS uncovered violations egregious enough to recommend revoking the groups' tax-exempt status.

The vast majority of charities and churches followed the law, but the examinations found a "disturbing" amount of political intervention in the 2004 elections, IRS Commissioner Mark Everson said.

"It's disturbing not because it's pervasive, but because it has the potential to really grow and have a very bad impact on the integrity of charities and churches," Everson said in an interview.

The tax agency looked only at charities, churches and other tax-exempt organizations referred to the IRS for potentially violating laws that bar them from participating in or intervening in elections, including advocating for or against any candidate.

Those referred to the IRS represent a tiny fraction of more than 1 million tax-exempt organizations organized under section 501(c)(3) of the tax law.

The IRS examined 110 organizations referred to the tax agency for potentially violations, and 28 cases remain open.

Among the 82 closed cases, the IRS found prohibited politicking and sent a written warning to 55 organizations and assessed a penalty tax against one group. Those organizations included 37 churches and 19 other organizations.

In the three additional cases in which the IRS recommended revoking tax-exempt status, none of the organizations were churches. The agency did not identify the three.

The IRS found tax violations unrelated to politics in five cases. Examinations of the 18 remaining groups did not turn up any wrongdoing.

In some cases, the IRS found flagrant violations of the law. In others, charities did not understand their obligations. Many activities fall into an ambiguous area that requires closer scrutiny of context and timing.

"There are very few places where you can draw bright lines," Everson said. "People have to think about this."

Among the prohibited activities, the examiners found that charities and churches had distributed printed material supporting a preferred candidate and assembled improper voter guides or candidate ratings.

Religious leaders had used the pulpit to endorse or oppose a particular candidate, and some groups had shown preferential treatment to candidates by letting them speak at functions.

Other charities and churches had made improper cash contributions to a candidate's political campaign.

The IRS said the cases covered "the full spectrum" of political viewpoints.

The tax agency set up a task force in 2004 to review allegations of improper political activity. The special procedures, revealed shortly before the election, drew criticism from some tax-exempt groups.

An audit by Treasury Department inspectors found nothing inappropriate in the examinations, but it faulted the IRS for creating the appearance of political motivations by waiting too long to announce the project and contact organizations.

The IRS said it plans to continue using the task force, and its speedier procedures, for this year's election and in the future. It also released detailed guidance to charities and churches about the prohibitions against political activities.

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When You Shouldn’t Tell the President



When you can’t prove that the White House did anything wrong, and you can’t prove that the White House knew that someone else was doing something wrong, what do you try to prove? That the White House knew there was an investigation into whether someone else was doing something wrong! That may sound scandalous, but, in fact, it’s perfectly appropriate.

That’s the lesson of the past several days in the evolving (and probably shrinking) Internal Revenue Service matter. Washington scandals and pseudoscandals follow a familiar pattern. First, there is an allegation of wrongdoing. Second, there is the question of a coverup: Who knew what when? (This dates from Howard Baker’s famous question at the Senate Watergate hearings: “What did the President know, and when did he know it?”)

The current I.R.S. matter is typical of the genre, though everything is accelerated at Internet speed.




White House officials seem to have engaged in the opposite of a coverup. They let the investigation proceed, and let the Inspector General do his job. They let the process play out. They played by the rules, which is what lawyers are supposed to do. The I.R.S. matter may eventually lead to revelations of wrongdoing at the White House—but this is not it.




THE FULL ARTICLE



 

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Six Facts Lost in the IRS Scandal​


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Tea Party activists protest the Internal Revenue Service in West Palm Beach, Florida. (Joe Raedle/Getty)​



In the furious fallout from the revelation that the IRS flagged applications from conservative nonprofits for extra review because of their political activity, some points about the big picture -- and big donors -- have fallen through the cracks.

Consider this our Top 6 list of need-to-know facts on social welfare nonprofits, also known as dark money groups because they don’t have to disclose their donors. The groups poured more than $256 million into the 2012 federal elections.


1. Social welfare nonprofits are supposed to have social welfare, and not politics, as their “primary” purpose.

A century ago, Congress created a tax exemption for social welfare nonprofits. The statute defining the groups says they are supposed to be “operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare.” But in 1959, the regulators interpreted the “exclusively” part of the statute to mean groups had to be “primarily” engaged in enhancing social welfare. This later opened the door to political spending.

So what does “primarily” mean? It’s not clear. The IRS has said it uses a “facts and circumstances” test to say whether a group mostly works to benefit the community or not. In short: If a group walks and talks like a social welfare nonprofit, then it’s a social welfare nonprofit.

This deliberate vagueness has led some groups to say that “primarily” simply means they must spend 51 percent of their money on a social welfare idea -- say, on something as vague as “education,” which could also include issue ads criticizing certain politicians. And then, the reasoning goes, a group can spend as much as 49 percent of its expenditures on ads directly advocating the election or defeat of a candidate for office.

Nowhere in tax regulations or rulings does it mention 49 percent, though. Some nonprofit lawyers have argued that the IRS should set hard limits for social welfare nonprofits -- setting out, for instance, that they cannot spend more than 20 percent of their money on election ads or even limiting spending to a fixed amount, like no more than $250,000.

So far, the IRS has avoided clarifying any limits.


2. Donors to social welfare nonprofits are anonymous for a reason.

Unlike donors who give directly to politicians or even to super PACs, donors who give to social welfare nonprofits can stay secret. In large part, this is because of an attempt by Alabama to force the NAACP, then a social welfare nonprofit, to disclose its donors in the 1950s. In 1958, the Supreme Court sided with the NAACP, saying that public identification of its members made them at risk of reprisal and threats.

The ACLU, which is itself a social welfare nonprofit, has long made similar arguments. So has Karl Rove, the GOP strategist and brains behind Crossroads GPS, which has spent more money on elections than any other social welfare nonprofit. In early April 2012, Rove invoked the NAACP in defending his organization against attempts to reveal donors.

The Federal Election Commission could in theory push for some disclosure from social welfare nonprofits -- for their election ads, at least. But the FEC has been paralyzed by a 3-3 partisan split, and its interpretations of older court decisions have given nonprofits wiggle room to avoid saying who donated money, as long as a donation wasn’t specifically made for a political ad.

New rulings indicate that higher courts, including the Supreme Court, favor disclosure for political ads, and states are also stepping into the fray. During the 2012 elections, courts in two states -- Montana and Idaho -- ruled that two nonprofits engaged in state campaigns needed to disclose donors.

But sometimes, when nonprofits funnel donations, the answers raise more questions. It’s the Russian nesting doll phenomenon. Last election, for instance, California’s election agency pushed for an Arizona social welfare nonprofit to disclose donors for $11 million spent on two California ballot initiatives. The answer? Another social welfare nonprofit, which in turn got the money from a trade association, which also doesn’t have to reveal its donors.


3. The Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision meant that corporations could pay for political ads, anonymously, using social welfare nonprofits.

In January 2010, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations and unions could spend money directly on election ads. A later court decision made possible super PACs, the political committees that can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money from donors, as long as they don’t coordinate with candidates and as long as they report their donors and spending.

Initially, campaign finance watchdogs believed corporations would give directly to super PACs. And in some cases, that happened. But not as much as anyone thought, and maybe for a reason: Disclosure isn’t necessarily good for business. Target famously faced a consumer and shareholder backlash after it gave money in 2010 to a group backing a Minnesota candidate who opposed gay rights.

Many watchdogs now believe that large public corporations are giving money to support candidates through social welfare nonprofits and trade associations, partly to avoid disclosure. Although the tax-exempt groups were allowed to spend money on election ads before Citizens United, their spending skyrocketed in 2010 and again in 2012.

A New York Times article based on rare cases in which donors have been disclosed, sometimes accidentally, explored the issue of corporations giving to these groups last year. Insurance giant Aetna, for example, accidentally revealed it gave $3 million in 2011 to the American Action Network, a social welfare group founded by former Sen. Norm Coleman, a Republican, that runs election ads.

Groups that favor more disclosure have so far failed to force action by the FEC, the IRS, or Congress, although some corporations have voluntarily reported their political spending. Advocates have now turned to the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is studying a proposal to require public companies to disclose political contributions.

The idea is already facing strong opposition from House Republicans.


4. Social welfare nonprofits do not actually have to apply to the IRS for recognition as tax-exempt organizations.

With all the furor over applications being flagged from conservative groups -- particularly groups with “Tea Party,” “Patriot” or “9/12” in their names -- it’s worth remembering that a social welfare nonprofit doesn’t even have to apply to the IRS in the first place.

Unlike charities, which are supposed to apply for recognition, social welfare nonprofits can simply incorporate and start raising and spending money, without ever applying to the IRS.

The agency’s nonprofit wing is mainly concerned about ferreting out bad charities, which are the biggest chunk of nonprofits and the biggest source of potential revenue. After all, the IRS’s main job is to collect revenue. Charities allow donors to deduct donations, while social welfare nonprofits don’t.

Most major social welfare nonprofits do apply, because being recognized is seen as insurance against later determination by the IRS that the group should have registered as a political committee and may face back taxes and disclosure of donors. A recognition letter is also essential to raise money from certain donors -- like, say, corporations.

But some of the new groups haven’t applied.

The first time the IRS hears about these social welfare nonprofits is often when they file their first annual tax return, not due until sometimes more than a year after they’ve formed.

In many cases, the first time the IRS hears about these groups is a full year after an election.


5. Most of the money spent on elections by social welfare nonprofits supports Republicans.

Of the more than $256 million spent by social welfare nonprofits on ads in the 2012 elections, at least 80 percent came from conservative groups, according to FEC figures tallied by the Center for Responsive Politics.

None came from the Tea Party groups with applications flagged by the IRS. Instead, a few big conservative groups were largely responsible.

Crossroads GPS, which this week said it believes it is among the conservative groups "targeted" by the IRS, spent more than $70 million in federal races in 2012. Americans for Prosperity, the social welfare nonprofit launched by the conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, spent more than $36 million. American Future Fund spent more than $25 million. Americans for Tax Reform spent almost $16 million. American Action Network spent almost $12 million.

Besides Crossroads GPS, each of those groups has applied to the IRS and been recognized as tax-exempt. (You can look at their applications here.)

All of those groups spent more than the largest liberal social welfare nonprofit, the League of Conservation Voters, which spent about $11 million on 2012 federal races. The next biggest group, Patriot Majority USA, spent more than $7 million. Planned Parenthood spent $6.5 million. VoteVets.org spent more than $3 million.

None of those figures include the tens of millions of dollars spent by groups on certain ads that run months before an election that are not reported to the FEC.


6. Some social welfare groups promised in their applications, under penalty of perjury, that they wouldn’t get involved in elections. Then they did just that.

Much of the attention when it comes to Tea Party nonprofits has focused on their applications and how the IRS determines whether a group qualifies for social welfare status.

As part of our reporting on dark money in 2012, ProPublica looked at more than 100 applications for IRS recognition. One thing we noted again and again: Groups sometimes tell the IRS that they are not going to spend money on elections, receive IRS recognition, and then turn around and spend money on elections

The application to be recognized as a social welfare nonprofit, known as a 1024 Form, explicitly asks a group whether it has spent or plans to spend “any money attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election, or appointment of any person to any Federal, state, or local public office or to an office in a political organization.”

The American Future Fund, a conservative nonprofit that would go on to spend millions of dollars on campaign ads, checked “No” in answer to that question in 2008. The very same day the group submitted its application, it uploaded this ad to its YouTube account:

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Even before mailing its application to the IRS saying it would not spend money on elections in 2010, the Alliance for America’s Future was running TV ads supporting Republican candidates for governor in Nevada and Florida. It also had given $133,000 to two political committees directed by Mary Cheney, the daughter of the former vice president.

Another example of this is the Government Integrity Fund, a conservative nonprofit that ran ads in last year’s U.S. Senate race in Ohio. Its application was approved after it told the IRS that it would not spend money on politics. The group went on to do just that.

For more on the IRS and nonprofits active in politics, read our story on how the IRS's nonprofit division got so dysfunctional, Kim Barker's investigation, "How nonprofits spend millions on elections and call it public welfare" and our Q&A on dark money.​



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Democrat: IRS Manager Denies
Targeting Of Conservative Groups​


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June 09, 2013

A self-described conservative Republican who oversees IRS screeners dealing with non-profit groups has told lawmakers that he doesn't think the White House played a role in stonewalling "Tea Party" and "patriot" groups, according to the ranking Democrat on the committee investigating the matter.

Rep. Elijah Cummings told CNN on Sunday that excerpts of the IRS manager's interview with congressional investigators shows the agency set aside the applications in an effort to be consistent in their review of them and not because of the groups' politics.

Cummings said the unnamed manager's testimony was "very significant".

"He is a conservative Republican working for the IRS. I think this interview and these statements go a long way toward showing that the White House was not involved in this," the Maryland Democrat told CNN's State of the Union program.

"Based upon everything I've seen, the case is solved. And if it were me, I would wrap this case up and move on," he added.

CNN reports that when asked by congressional investigators if the scrutiny of conservative groups was intended to target "the president's political enemies," the IRS manager, who works in the Cincinnati IRS office dealing with non-profit groups, responded that the screening was only about "consistency and identifying issues that needed to have further development."

Asked if he believed the White House was involved, the manager replied: "I have no reason to believe that," according to CNN.​

But California Republican Darrell Issa, who chairs the Oversight committee, said in a statement Sunday that the manager's testimony "did not provide anything enlightening or contradict other witness accounts.

"The American public wants to know why targeting occurred and who was involved," Issa said.


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IRS Manager Behind Tea Party Screening
is a "Conservative Republican"​



Last week, Darrell Issa released a few carefully chosen excerpts from interviews with IRS managers in Cincinnati that tried to imply that "Washington"—by which he meant the White House—was behind the targeting of tea party groups. Today, Democrats are fighting back with their own set of carefully chosen excerpts from the interview. For example, this one from the manager of the IRS Screening Group in Cincinnati:

He states that he has worked at the IRS for 21 years as a civil servant and supervised a team of several Screening Agents in that office. When asked by Republican Committee staff about his political affiliation, he answered that he is a "conservative Republican."

....Q: In your opinion, was the decision to screen and centralize the review of Tea Party cases the targeting of the President's political enemies?

A: <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">I do not</span> believe that the screening of these cases had anything to do other than consistency and identifying issues that needed to have further development.

This manager goes on to tell committee staff that <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">the decision to elevate the first tea party case was his</span>; that it <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">wasn't motivated by political concerns in any way</span>; and that the use of specific search terms ("tea party," "patriot," etc.) came from a line worker in his group.

Needless to say, this doesn't put an end to things. Cincinnati workers, after all, have a vested interest in denying political motivation, since they could lose their jobs over that. And it's still possible that the attorneys in Washington who reviewed all this stuff had political motivations. Still, it's looking less likely all the time. As happens so often, this is almost certainly a case of incompetence, not malice.


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Dave you obviously do not understand what being independent really truly means.

True, you might formed your political beliefs on your own *just like many on this board has*, but that's not what it means. If that was the case, everyone is an independent politically. I'm going off your political beliefs. You just admit that you agree with t1 mostly.

Reading the posts T1 makes, we all know that he is a <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">progressive</span>/liberal/far-left/ect.

He will never admit that though because just like anyone else in that ideology group, they tend to be cowards when labels are in play. I can't respect a man/woman who lacks the willingness to be honest with themselves. To me, if your ideology is so great, why are you scared to be labeled as such.



Again, so MSNBC, THINKPROGRESS, and all the other left-leaning media outlets are truthful in your eyes? Maybe I wasn't as specific with my question.

Well, well, well . . . whadda yaknow



"Tea Party" wasn't the only word on the 501(c)(4) BOLO (Be On the Look Out) List to scrutinize.

According to page 6, Item No. 16, of the IRS's BOLO LIST they were also scrutinizing applications with the words, ((( drum rolllll please ))): <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Progressive</span> and <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">blue</span>

Because they are likely engaged in: <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"Political Activities"</span>

The IRS's BOLO says that the:

"Common thread is <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">the word "progressive."</span> Activities
appear to lean toward a new political party. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Activities
are partisan</span> and appear as <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">anti-Republican</span>. You see
references to <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"blue"</span> as being <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"progressive"</span>.



If you keep injecting facts into this, AAA will never come back.



I probably went too far, huh :D


:hmm:

 



Well, well, well . . . whadda yaknow



"Tea Party" wasn't the only word on the 501(c)(4) BOLO (Be On the Look Out) List to scrutinize.

According to page 6, Item No. 16, of the IRS's BOLO LIST they were also scrutinizing applications with the words, ((( drum rolllll please ))): <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Progressive</span> and <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">blue</span>

Because they are likely engaged in: <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"Political Activities"</span>

The IRS's BOLO says that the:

"Common thread is <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">the word "progressive."</span> Activities
appear to lean toward a new political party. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Activities
are partisan</span> and appear as <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">anti-Republican</span>. You see
references to <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"blue"</span> as being <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"progressive"</span>.







I probably went too far, huh :D


:hmm:



Also "occupy".

www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/24/1...d-groups-with-Occupy-and-Progressive-in-names
 


At a congressional hearing . . . outgoing acting IRS commissioner Steve Miller repeatedly objected to the use of the word “targeting.” He claimed the BOLO list was an “inappropriate” organizational tool or “shortcut” that IRS staff used, noting the majority of applications identified as being subjected to additional scrutiny <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">were not tea party groups</span>.


IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

 



Well, well, well . . . whadda yaknow



"Tea Party" wasn't the only word on the 501(c)(4) BOLO (Be On the Look Out) List to scrutinize.

According to page 6, Item No. 16, of the IRS's BOLO LIST they were also scrutinizing applications with the words, ((( drum rolllll please ))): <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Progressive</span> and <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">blue</span>

Because they are likely engaged in: <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"Political Activities"</span>

The IRS's BOLO says that the:

"Common thread is <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">the word "progressive."</span> Activities
appear to lean toward a new political party. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Activities
are partisan</span> and appear as <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">anti-Republican</span>. You see
references to <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"blue"</span> as being <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"progressive"</span>.







I probably went too far, huh :D


:hmm:


You did. I tried to warn you.:smh:

Just so it's said, I'm not too big of a man, AAA, to say I told you so. Nor is my arm to short to pat myself on the back.



At a congressional hearing . . . outgoing acting IRS commissioner Steve Miller repeatedly objected to the use of the word “targeting.” He claimed the BOLO list was an “inappropriate” organizational tool or “shortcut” that IRS staff used, noting the majority of applications identified as being subjected to additional scrutiny <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">were not tea party groups</span>.


IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed


So they were checking out groups on both sides? The OUTRAGE!!!!:angry:

If I didn't know better, I would think this was a well orchestrated plot by the "liberal" media to make the Republicans and the Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity talk show wing of their party look foolish.
But A) the actually corporate media haven't shown me they have the ability to pull off something like that and B) since when do those assclowns need help looking foolish.
 
Again, so MSNBC, THINKPROGRESS, and all the other left-leaning media outlets are truthful in your eyes?

Maybe I wasn't as specific with my question.

I know you can't come back to this thread, but -- here's a more specific question: Is ISSA truthful in your eyes ? ? ?
 

Darrell Issa

Starring in

Backtracker


Darrell Issa — the chair of the Oversight Committee and a lead investigator into the IRS scandal — is now claiming he never, ever said the White House or the Obama campaign was behind the targeting.
“I’ve never said it came out of the office of the President or his campaign. What I’ve said is, it comes out of Washington.”​
And yet, later in the very same interview, Issa said this:
“For years, the president bashed the Tea Party groups. He was very public against these groups. And on his behalf — perhaps not on his request — on his behalf, the IRS executed a delaying tactic against the very groups that he talked about.”​





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Darrell Issa

Starring in

Backtracker


Darrell Issa — the chair of the Oversight Committee and a lead investigator into the IRS scandal — is now claiming he never, ever said the White House or the Obama campaign was behind the targeting.
“I’ve never said it came out of the office of the President or his campaign. What I’ve said is, it comes out of Washington.”​
And yet, later in the very same interview, Issa said this:
“For years, the president bashed the Tea Party groups. He was very public against these groups. And on his behalf — perhaps not on his request — on his behalf, the IRS executed a delaying tactic against the very groups that he talked about.”​





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He's backtracking and lying. He singled out Jay Carney as a the President's "paid liar".
He's setting himself up to star in another segment of Lawrence O'Donnell's Rewrite.

Again, so MSNBC, THINKPROGRESS, and all the other left-leaning media outlets are truthful in your eyes?


MSNBC got this right, did anyone else? Did Rush? FNC? O'Reilly?
 
Because it was a non-issue.

An agencies tasked with enforcing subjective laws applied the law subjectively.

As a matter of clarity, I read the above this way: "An agenc<s>ies</s>y tasked with enforcing subjective laws applied the law subjectively" -- and I wouldn't disagree, though I believe there may have been an attempt to put into place "objective criteria" to prompt further inquiry, but interpreting the objective criteria is often subjective and leads to subjective results.

But from all appearances it also appears that the following conclusions were just WRONG:

  • That the subjective application was dictated or ordered by the President; and

  • The subjective application was politically motivated.


This is the government people worked for.

Not sure I understand what you mean here.
 
As a matter of clarity, I read the above this way: "An agenc<s>ies</s>y tasked with enforcing subjective laws applied the law subjectively" -- and I wouldn't disagree, though I believe there may have been an attempt to put into place "objective criteria" to prompt further inquiry, but interpreting the objective criteria is often subjective and leads to subjective results.

But from all appearances it also appears that the following conclusions were just WRONG:

  • That the subjective application was dictated or ordered by the President; and

  • The subjective application was politically motivated.
You seemed to have received a large amount of closure regarding this issue.

I got that once it couldn't be proven that President Obama personally ordered specific targeting of the Tea Party, then the subject became a lot less sexy to Congress and the media.

ANot sure I understand what you mean here.
As in people vote in politicians who write subjective laws. No one cares until it affects them personally.
 
You seemed to have received a large amount of closure regarding this issue.

I got that once it couldn't be proven that President Obama personally ordered specific targeting of the Tea Party, then the subject became a lot less sexy to Congress and the media.

Closure? I never had opening. I pretty much said ab initio: if there was political targeting, its wrong; but I never saw where there was any political targeting as alleged by Issa, et al.


As in people vote in politicians who write subjective laws. No one cares until it affects them personally.

Are you saying that people purposely elect politicians to write subjective laws. That would be a new one on me. I don't think I recall any politician running on such a platform, explicitly or implicitly, said or unsaid.

Nevertheless, how do you propose that a law be written without any resort whatsoever to the subjective ???
 
Closure? I never had opening. I pretty much said ab initio: if there was political targeting, its wrong; but I never saw where there was any political targeting as alleged by Issa, et al.
That doesn't speak to any other form of political targeting being done at the direction of someone with more authority than Lois Lerner. The point is if its not the most salacious story imaginable then apparently it's not a story. And all parties lost their outrage when the story got boring, but that doesn't mean there is no story.

Are you saying that people purposely elect politicians to write subjective laws. That would be a new one on me. I don't think I recall any politician running on such a platform, explicitly or implicitly, said or unsaid.
It's a shock to you because you are part of the masses that believes in this system. Most laws revolve around someone benefiting more than someone else. Some people are always a threat or always need help, but never everyone. Everyone doesn't get the healthcare subsidy, or the farm subsidy, or some people need to have more money taken away from them than others whether its smokers or millionaires. Everyone is targeted with a law that other people will never worry about.

One of the oddities of this IRS thing is Tea Partiers expressed shocked that the government could work this way. They didn't know people, doing nothing wrong, could have a dream crushed by the bureaucracy. As much as the leftist propaganda is the Tea Partiers are anti-government, they actually believed in its goodness until they finally got some of that "goodness."

Nevertheless, how do you propose that a law be written without any resort whatsoever to the subjective ???
Simple it applies to everyone. Civilly, they know when they pass laws that it will only affect certain groups because only a certain group is engaging in that activity. Criminally, the crime should actually hurt people and not just be criminal because it goes against current social norms. But all this is a lost cause because people don't get elected by not identifying their base and giving them what they want whether it just benefits the base or it hinders the non-base.
 
That doesn't speak to any other form of political targeting being done at the direction of someone with more authority than Lois Lerner. The point is if its not the most salacious story imaginable then apparently it's not a story. And all parties lost their outrage when the story got boring, but that doesn't mean there is no story.


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NO! That's incredibly deceitful. The story died down because it was a pure politically motivated lie, cooked up by the right wing media machine and swallowed up by the corporate mass media, with some notable exceptions. They had to let it drop because to continue to talk about it would further expose their own gullibility while the Right had to drop it because it was false.


On another IRS related topic
Funny how the GOP cried about all the IRS agents that would need to be hired and how the IRS would be in charge of our healthcare but here they are wanting to use the IRS to enforce stringent income verification for all those that apply for subsidies.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/14/1247282/-Stringent-Income-Verification-Requirements-for-Obamacare-Could-Easily-Undermine-ACA-Rollout
Dammit, pick a side and stay there.
 
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