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Are Black People incapable of having their own thriving Community?

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This is a serious discussion for mature adults, so clowns stay out.

I was thinking about this after reading "FuckYOus" thread about the home in East Point. I saw multiple people come in that thread saying thats a bad neighborhood. Some posted if you want home value you should move to a "white neighborhood" . I know 2 people in that thread personally and there were at least 10 people in that thread who seemed like pretty decent black men in Atlanta. I think we represent a lot of black people here in the Atlanta Metro area that are middle class, hard working, educated and just want the best for us and our family.

So my question is why when we reach a level of financial success, why do we feel the need to run to "white Nieghborhoods"? I mean those people don't want us there anyway. Why be around people who don't want you around? Wouldn't you be more comfortable around people who were striving towards the same thing you were?

After the Zimmerman verdict "Enigma" sent me a text about a Poll in the AJC saying %65 of Atlantans agree with the verdict. He was shocked and my response to him was you needed a Poll to know white people felt this way. These people don't want you around them.

So back to my original question, are we incapable of having our own thriving Communities?

One of the biggest Shell games is black people who make it move out of the City and then white people come in buy the land up cheaply and build the neighborhood up(Gentrification). Why don't we do this?!! Why do we have the need to run from our own. Why can't we move into a neighborhood , mow the lawn on all vacant lots, paint over graffiti, pick up all the trash, form vigilant neighborhood watches, clean up parks, force the city to have better police patrol, force the neighborhood schools to give our kids the best education possible(this is what you call group economics, white people have that shit down!). Because believe it or not I don't think schools are bad I think the kids and the parents are bad. I went to Woodson on bankhead and Turner by Dixie Hills the teachers spent 80% of there time disciplining kids as opposed to teaching because kids had so much fucked up shit going on at home and in there neighborhoods that they couldn't focus. If collectively as a community we built are own neighborhoods up, the schools would also get better just because its apart of the fabric of the community.

Last point, I know this is possible because black people didn't even live in suburbs even 20yrs ago. When I was a kid my older sister(we had different dads) lived in the Mays High School district, Beecher rd, Ben Hill etc. I use to visit her(I lived on Bankhead) and it was thriving community with nothing but black professions and black owned businesses and Mays was the good school to go to.

Why don't we do this any more? Im really interested in your opinions
 
Literally yes, mentally no .

Integration seems to be very high on a majority of black folks list, at any price.

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SKATTA said:
Literally yes, mentally no .

Integration seems to be very high on a majority of black folks list, at any price.

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Indeed. A lot of Black folks want to coincide with white folk. We're all humans jive talk. Cool, but that is not the reality white folk LIVE by.
 
World B Free said:
Here's another one, a thriving Black community DESTROYED by angry Whites.....

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But what is destroying them now? Whats stopping us from forming are own right now? Is it just a mentality? I remember when my family moved from the inner city to the suburbs back in 92 my mother had to beg my Dad to move cause my dad was on some "i don't wanna live near them crackers" shit. Where as today as soon as we can we are like "fuck you niggas I'm out" bout to go live near these white folks
 
SUNDOWN TOWNS: Towns Black People were literally barred from through violence....


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c-span link to author talk:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/189492-2
 
egatsby said:
But what is destroying them now? Whats stopping us from forming are own right now? Is it just a mentality? I remember when my family moved from the inner city to the suburbs back in 92 my mother had to beg my Dad to move cause my dad was on some "i don't wanna live near them crackers" shit. Where as today as soon as we can we are like "fuck you niggas I'm out" bout to go live near these white folks
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You have to know the history of why your dad didn't want to live near them. & that history probably mirrors the embedded knowledge that living near some whites comes with a cost, a lot times in the past, Black people were always under the threat of violence from Whites.
 
there is always going to be that guy that takes money from cacs to fuck shit up.
 
Yes We Can! But it will take a number or resources,discipline and consistency which are not some of our best traits. There are so many hurdles to overcome that if you built a team of investors,educators ,mentors together they would look at the whole picture and the cons may out number the pros.
I went on the Ga Beltline tour earlier this year(if you in the Metro A you should take it) and it was so eye opening what is going on. I mean strips of half million dollar condos right around the corner from boarded up run down communities.So the opportunity is out there to be black owned and operated but the "operators" are few and far between.
As you know Egatsby I'm babying my eyeglass business which is white man dominated and I would love to put it in the "hood" which would then employee younger black people in the optical field and ripple from there. So yes it can be done but the operators I mention before need to get started and let the ripple affect begin. But there are so many dynamics in the black communities it just seems so intimidating and out of reach.
 
McWaney said:
Yes We Can! But it will take a number or resources,discipline and consistency which are not some of our best traits. There are so many hurdles to overcome that if you built a team of investors,educators ,mentors together they would look at the whole picture and the cons may out number the pros.
I went on the Ga Beltline tour earlier this year(if you in the Metro A you should take it) and it was so eye opening what is going on. I mean strips of half million dollar condos right around the corner from boarded up run down communities.So the opportunity is out there to be black owned and operated but the "operators" are few and far between.
As you know Egatsby I'm babying my eyeglass business which is white man dominated and I would love to put it in the "hood" which would then employee younger black people in the optical field and ripple from there. So yes it can be done but the operators I mention before need to get started and let the ripple affect begin. But there are so many dynamics in the black communities it just seems so intimidating and out of reach.
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Oh shit my Lil bro came out of lurk mode for this lol. Good points though
 
egatsby said:
This is a serious discussion for mature adults, so clowns stay out.

I was thinking about this after reading "FuckYOus" thread about the home in East Point. I saw multiple people come in that thread saying thats a bad neighborhood. Some posted if you want home value you should move to a "white neighborhood" . I know 2 people in that thread personally and there were at least 10 people in that thread who seemed like pretty decent black men in Atlanta. I think we represent a lot of black people here in the Atlanta Metro area that are middle class, hard working, educated and just want the best for us and our family.

So my question is why when we reach a level of financial success, why do we feel the need to run to "white Nieghborhoods"? I mean those people don't want us there anyway. Why be around people who don't want you around? Wouldn't you be more comfortable around people who were striving towards the same thing you were?

After the Zimmerman verdict "Enigma" sent me a text about a Poll in the AJC saying %65 of Atlantans agree with the verdict. He was shocked and my response to him was you needed a Poll to know white people felt this way. These people don't want you around them.

So back to my original question, are we incapable of having our own thriving Communities?

One of the biggest Shell games is black people who make it move out of the City and then white people come in buy the land up cheaply and build the neighborhood up(Gentrification). Why don't we do this?!! Why do we have the need to run from our own. Why can't we move into a neighborhood , mow the lawn on all vacant lots, paint over graffiti, pick up all the trash, form vigilant neighborhood watches, clean up parks, force the city to have better police patrol, force the neighborhood schools to give our kids the best education possible(this is what you call group economics, white people have that shit down!). Because believe it or not I don't think schools are bad I think the kids and the parents are bad. I went to Woodson on bankhead and Turner by Dixie Hills the teachers spent 80% of there time disciplining kids as opposed to teaching because kids had so much fucked up shit going on at home and in there neighborhoods that they couldn't focus. If collectively as a community we built are own neighborhoods up, the schools would also get better just because its apart of the fabric of the community.

Last point, I know this is possible because black people didn't even live in suburbs even 20yrs ago. When I was a kid my older sister(we had different dads) lived in the Mays High School district, Beecher rd, Ben Hill etc. I use to visit her(I lived on Bankhead) and it was thriving community with nothing but black professions and black owned businesses and Mays was the good school to go to.

Why don't we do this any more? Im really interested in your opinions
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Like a previous poster mention. It's mental.

You're are addressing things that has been fucked for a long time. Some Blacks, especially a large majority in poverty stricken neighborhoods are just not mentally capable to understand the responsibilities in maintaining a neighborhood. The rabbit hole is kind of deep bruh. Really think about the things that you asked. Yes, a middle class/working class of Blacks folks has a greater chance of maintaining such a community, but we're talking about the ghetto/projects. Blocks and blocks of ghettos across America with generation of irresponsibility within their family. Have you watched some of the world star videos lately? Especially the one that are recorded in the hood? How do you explain to them etiquette and manners when its not taught within their own home? How can you teach respect to people whom barely respects themselves? What reason could you give those folks who are set in their minds?

It requires education of everything and self-worth. Sometimes those folks that leaves never looks back because you'd have to sacrifice things to make it work. Ask your folk how much are the willing to give to possible get little in return. So many points to address.
 
Yes black people are capable of having their own thriving communities. We've done it before.

Why would think otherwise? :hmm:
 
Selfscience said:
Like a previous poster mention. It's mental.

You're are addressing things that has been fucked for a long time. Some Blacks, especially a large majority in poverty stricken neighborhoods are just not mentally capable to understand the responsibilities in maintaining a neighborhood. The rabbit hole is kind of deep bruh. Really think about the things that you asked. Yes, a middle class/working class of Blacks folks has a greater chance of maintaining such a community, but we're talking about the ghetto/projects. Blocks and blocks of ghettos across America with generation of irresponsibility within their family. Have you watched some of the world star videos lately? Especially the one that are recorded in the hood? How do you explain to them etiquette and manners when its not taught within their own home? How can you teach respect to people whom barely respects themselves? What reason could you give those folks who are set in their minds?

It requires education of everything and self-worth. Sometimes those folks that leaves never looks back because you'd have to sacrifice things to make it work. Ask your folk how much are the willing to give to possible get little in return. I get even really dig deep into all the points you brought up because there are too many to address....
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I hear what you saying bro but there are entire neighborhoods being gentrified here in Atlanta. That you would have considered ghettos 10yrs ago . Now they are predominately white and thriving. So what's magical about these middle class whites that moved into those neighborhoods ? What's are they doing that me or you couldn't? This is what I want to know. This is what is driving me nuts.
 
egatsby said:
I hear what you saying bro but there are entire neighborhoods being gentrified here in Atlanta. That you would have considered ghettos 10yrs ago . Now they are predominately white and thriving. So what's magical about these middle class whites that moved into those neighborhoods ? What's are they doing that me or you couldn't? This is what I want to know. This is what is driving me nuts.
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White folk had a plan and executed. What is the plan for Black folk?

There is no plan for us and definitely no consistency in executing it if there was one.
 
Personally, when I look at property to buy....the first thing I look for is the community dynamic. Individuals need to understand that when you purchase a home.....you are either forwarding or condemning future generations. Your kid's livelihood hinges on YOUR EDUCATED choice of where you will place your roots. If you decide to settle down in a neighborhood that has a POOR SCHOOL SYSTEM, neighbors living above their means, and a crime rate that is NOTICEBLE.....then you pretty much infected your kids future and they will suffer.

Black communities all have a tendency to be infected with those traits. NO MATTER how nice the neighborhood looks....there will always be that Black Family that can't afford to stay there....and THEY WILL RENT THEIR HOME to RENTERS who will not give a single fuck about HOA Guidelines. The Community will soon fold.

One thing about WHITE COMMUNITIES is that they increase the property value in their communities so significantly...that those negative traits are eradicated.

One thing you guys fail to understand is that WHITE PEOPLE buy houses COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from blacks. It is very rare that I meet a white family paying PMI. But damn near every black homeowner I know is paying PMI out the ass.

So it's that simple....

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF ATLANTA THAT HAS APPRECIATED IN VALUE ON NATURAL TERMS....NEVER!!!! I REPEAT...THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT APPRECIATED IN VALUE ON NATURAL TERMS.

So knowing that not one BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD has had property values rise naturally.....why the fuck would you want to invest in one?:hmm:

YOU WILL BE DOING YOURSELF AND YOUR KID'S A SERIOUS INJUSTICE:hmm:



and to touch on your part about why we can't come together and make it happen??? That's simple.... Blacks and Hispanics are seen as PARASITES in the Real Estate market.... READ THAT AGAIN....BLACKS AND HISPANICS ARE SEEN AS PARASITES IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.... so basically NO ONE OF IMPORTANCE WILL PUT VALUE ON A SELF MAINTAINED BLACK COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT IT AS A OXYMORON:hmm:

ASK YOURSELVES THIS .....have you ever seen a TRADER JOE'S OR WHOLE FOODS in an affluent black neighborhood?? HAVE YOU??? THINK ABOUT IT...... STILL WAITING.....

NO, YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BECAUSE WHOLE FOODS AND TRADER JOES REQUIRE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE 20% OF THE RESIDENCE MAKING $250,000 MEDIAN INCOME.

NAME ONE BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD....FUCK ATLANTA....BUT SHIT HOW ABOUT CALI THAT MAKES A MEDIAN INCOME LIKE THAT???:hmm:

SHIT, niggas can't even keep a Church's Chicken open on Simpson Road....how the fuck they going to keep a Whole Foods open??? Better yet...didn't PUBLIX PACK UP AND LEAVE THE AUC???? What did they put in it's place??? A FUCKING WALMART....WHY?? BECAUSE BLACK FOLK LOVE GIVING AWAY THAT POWERFUL BLACK DOLLAR....

I'M DONE:hmm:
 
Selfscience said:
what is causing the change?
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out of towners flooding the city for jobs...

rising rents...

increasing property taxes...

the jobmarket has shifted too...

dc brags on having the strongest job market in the country but the part they dont mention is that the flood of openings are mostly technical, IT, require advanced degrees or lots of experience.

so the city in general ends up being 1 of the strongest job markets in the country while a black area like ward 8 has the highest UNemployment rate in the country.

its crazy...

but yea theres decent black communities over dc, montgomery county, prince georges county, northern va...
 
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Selfscience said:
White folk had a plan and executed. What is the plan for Black folk?

There is no plan for us and definitely no consistency in executing it if there was one.
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But where did they get this plan from? How does this message plan that hey guys we about to move to this neighborhood . Is it email , word of mouth?

Bro I'm not trying to be funny either, I'm just trying to understand
 
Daddy Warbuck$ said:
Personally, when I look at property to buy....the first thing I look for is the community dynamic. Individuals need to understand that when you purchase a home.....you are either forwarding or condemning future generations. Your kid's livelihood hinges on YOUR EDUCATED choice of where you will place your roots. If you decide to settle down in a neighborhood that has a POOR SCHOOL SYSTEM, neighbors living above their means, and a crime rate that is NOTICEBLE.....then you pretty much infected your kids future and they will suffer.

Black communities all have a tendency to be infected with those traits. NO MATTER how nice the neighborhood looks....there will always be that Black Family that can't afford to stay there....and THEY WILL RENT THEIR HOME to RENTERS who will not give a single fuck about HOA Guidelines. The Community will soon fold.

One thing about WHITE COMMUNITIES is that they increase the property value in their communities so significantly...that those negative traits are eradicated.

One thing you guys fail to understand is that WHITE PEOPLE buy houses COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from blacks. It is very rare that I meet a white family paying PMI. But damn near every black homeowner I know is paying PMI out the ass.

So it's that simple....

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF ATLANTA THAT HAS APPRECIATED IN VALUE ON NATURAL TERMS....NEVER!!!! I REPEAT...THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT APPRECIATED IN VALUE ON NATURAL TERMS.

So knowing that not one BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD has had property values rise naturally.....why the fuck would you want to invest in one?:hmm:

YOU WILL BE DOING YOURSELF AND YOUR KID'S A SERIOUS INJUSTICE:hmm:

Ok , but why. Why is this?



and to touch on your part about why we can't come together and make it happen??? That's simple.... Blacks and Hispanics are seen as PARASITES in the Real Estate market.... READ THAT AGAIN....BLACKS AND HISPANICS ARE SEEN AS PARASITES IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.... so basically NO ONE OF IMPORTANCE WILL PUT VALUE ON A SELF MAINTAINED BLACK COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT IT AS A OXYMORON:hmm:

ASK YOURSELVES THIS .....have you ever seen a TRADER JOE'S OR WHOLE FOODS in an affluent black neighborhood?? HAVE YOU??? THINK ABOUT IT...... STILL WAITING.....

NO, YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BECAUSE WHOLE FOODS AND TRADER JOES REQUIRE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE 20% OF THE RESIDENCE MAKING $250,000 MEDIAN INCOME.

NAME ONE BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD....FUCK ATLANTA....BUT SHIT HOW ABOUT CALI THAT MAKES A MEDIAN INCOME LIKE THAT???:hmm:

SHIT, niggas can't even keep a Church's Chicken open on Simpson Road....how the fuck they going to keep a Whole Foods open??? Better yet...didn't PUBLIX PACK UP AND LEAVE THE AUC???? What did they put in it's place??? A FUCKING WALMART....WHY?? BECAUSE BLACK FOLK LOVE GIVING AWAY THAT POWERFUL BLACK DOLLAR....

I'M DONE:hmm:
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Ok but why ?
 
Mo-Better said:
Yes black people are capable of having their own thriving communities. We've done it before.

Why would think otherwise? :hmm:
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PLEASE DON'T GIVE ME THAT BLACK WALL STREET BULLSHIT:hmm:

Black Wall Street is nothing but a fictional account of supposed "success"..... wow black people ran their own Grocery Stores and businesses.... that's like some nigga bragging about paying his CHILD SUPPORT...that's what you are SUPPOSE TO DO:hmm:

Do you hear Jews calling their communities Jew Street? or the Polish?? NO, because they know that's A SIMPLE FUCKING THING TO DO FOR A COMMUNITY. NOTICE HOW NO ONE OF COLOR OWN ANYTHING IN THE HOOD....BUT THE VIETNAMESE AND ARABS RUNNING SHIT....YOU KNOW WHY?? BECAUSE NIGGAS CAN'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES:hmm:
 
Daddy Warbuck$ said:
Personally, when I look at property to buy....the first thing I look for is the community dynamic. Individuals need to understand that when you purchase a home.....you are either forwarding or condemning future generations. Your kid's livelihood hinges on YOUR EDUCATED choice of where you will place your roots. If you decide to settle down in a neighborhood that has a POOR SCHOOL SYSTEM, neighbors living above their means, and a crime rate that is NOTICEBLE.....then you pretty much infected your kids future and they will suffer.

Black communities all have a tendency to be infected with those traits. NO MATTER how nice the neighborhood looks....there will always be that Black Family that can't afford to stay there....and THEY WILL RENT THEIR HOME to RENTERS who will not give a single fuck about HOA Guidelines. The Community will soon fold.

One thing about WHITE COMMUNITIES is that they increase the property value in their communities so significantly...that those negative traits are eradicated.

One thing you guys fail to understand is that WHITE PEOPLE buy houses COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from blacks. It is very rare that I meet a white family paying PMI. But damn near every black homeowner I know is paying PMI out the ass.

So it's that simple....

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF ATLANTA THAT HAS APPRECIATED IN VALUE ON NATURAL TERMS....NEVER!!!! I REPEAT...THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT APPRECIATED IN VALUE ON NATURAL TERMS.

So knowing that not one BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD has had property values rise naturally.....why the fuck would you want to invest in one?:hmm:

YOU WILL BE DOING YOURSELF AND YOUR KID'S A SERIOUS INJUSTICE:hmm:



and to touch on your part about why we can't come together and make it happen??? That's simple.... Blacks and Hispanics are seen as PARASITES in the Real Estate market.... READ THAT AGAIN....BLACKS AND HISPANICS ARE SEEN AS PARASITES IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.... so basically NO ONE OF IMPORTANCE WILL PUT VALUE ON A SELF MAINTAINED BLACK COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT IT AS A OXYMORON:hmm:

ASK YOURSELVES THIS .....have you ever seen a TRADER JOE'S OR WHOLE FOODS in an affluent black neighborhood?? HAVE YOU??? THINK ABOUT IT...... STILL WAITING.....

NO, YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BECAUSE WHOLE FOODS AND TRADER JOES REQUIRE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE 20% OF THE RESIDENCE MAKING $250,000 MEDIAN INCOME.

NAME ONE BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD....FUCK ATLANTA....BUT SHIT HOW ABOUT CALI THAT MAKES A MEDIAN INCOME LIKE THAT???:hmm:

SHIT, niggas can't even keep a Church's Chicken open on Simpson Road....how the fuck they going to keep a Whole Foods open??? Better yet...didn't PUBLIX PACK UP AND LEAVE THE AUC???? What did they put in it's place??? A FUCKING WALMART....WHY?? BECAUSE BLACK FOLK LOVE GIVING AWAY THAT POWERFUL BLACK DOLLAR....

I'M DONE:hmm:
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So what you are saying is we can't have are own communities ? We must integrate in order to have the best for our families ?
 
egatsby said:
But where did they get this plan from? How does this message plan that hey guys we about to move to this neighborhood . Is it email , word of mouth?

Bro I'm not trying to be funny either, I'm just trying to understand
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because the BOUGHT BLACK MAYORS THAT WE ELECTED SOLD US OUT.
 
Daddy Warbuck$ said:
Because a high percentage of blacks live by the "Each one Kill one" mantra.
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But you live hear, how many black people in this city do you know personally that are financial stable, morally high, and educated . I can name more than a few. Those people don't live by that mantra. Why not these like minded individuals form a community ? You mentions whole foods and trader joes. But those don't exist in the grant park east Atl neighborhood . Everything over there is locally owned by small business owners. You have the Edgewood shopping center but they had to force that into the community
 

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