The Zimmerman Trial: Justice for Trayvon! (Let's discuss it)

Gun owners! Do you holster your weapon if you believe you didn't shoot or kill someone you shot at? I mean the interrogating officer didn't see a problem with that. So he is either proven incompetent or straight bullshitting!!!
 
Good Dkos diary. check out the source link as the second half has more info and links embeded.... (sorry colin tho its not THAT long)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/01/1220320/-Yes-George-Zimmerman-is-in-Fact-a-Creepy-Cracker





A trial should be a crucible for the truth. While the legal outcome remains much in doubt, George Zimmerman’s murder trial is a reminder of the semi-permanence of race and the reality of the color line in post civil rights America.

The Zimmerman trial has revealed several truths so far. Young, dark-skinned, black women testifying in court about life and death matters--and who happen to be “working class” or “poor”--are to be savaged and mocked. The myth of the welfare queen lives on; black, female, and “poor” is to be less than a human being. She is most certainly not due the most basic amount of human respect or dignity.

White America is fascinated by black vernacular speech and how people of color talk in private spaces and among ourselves, as opposed to in public spaces or other interactions where we are subjected to the White Gaze.

The comments on Twitter, other social media, and the Internet at large, have revealed how one’s relationship to the truth is also very much a function of racial attitudes and political orientation.

Zimmerman’s supporters believe that he is a “victim” and black folks are existentially obligated to submit to white people (and those who identity with White Authority) at all times and in every situation. Most of Zimmerman’s supporters do not know about America’s long history of slave passes, white slave patrollers, or Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger Taney’s infamous ruling in the Dred Scott case that black people have no rights that whites are obligated to respect. Yet, they echo such sentiments across time and space with ease.

Trayvon Martin’s advocates see in his killing one more example (among many thousands) where in the United States, black life is deemed to be cheap and expendable; African-Americans are presumed guilty until proven innocent—even while walking down the street and minding their own business.


While ostensibly a means of getting at the truth of what happened that rainy and dark evening, Zimmerman’s trial has also been a spectacle and a carnival sideshow in America’s centuries-long racial theater.

While talking on the phone to his friend Rachel Jaentel, Trayvon Martin apparently called George Zimmerman, the man who followed him in a vehicle, exited it with a gun, and pursued him against police instructions, a “creepy ass cracker.” In a twist of thinking, and an inversion of what studied, learned, and reasonable people understand about the realities of race and power in America, for colorblind conservative racists, George Zimmerman has been magically transformed into a victim of “reverse racism.”

Such a troubled relationship to the truth would be the stuff of a great comedy sketch if these serious matters did not involve a young person shot dead by a wannabe cop who imagined himself as possessing a license to kill.

The truth can also be inconvenient: by virtue of his actions and character, George Zimmerman is in fact a "creepy cracker."


More @ source link. Also check out the comments.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/01/1220320/-Yes-George-Zimmerman-is-in-Fact-a-Creepy-Cracker
 
We should just start Following and taking pictures of Random White people

It is NOT against the Law
 
rnubb presents a better case than the prosecution.

I think the prosecution has been paid off....their case sucks so far.

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Zimmerman being best friends with Frank Taaffe tells me all in need to know about him.
 
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So, the first thing the judge does this morning is to read back that last question and answer from yesterday; the one they left of on where the detective said he felt Zimmerman was telling the truth. Then she says that it was an improper question and the jury is to disregard it.

Why the fuck didn't she do that before breaking for the day ? She let the jury go home with the detectives answer in their heads, and waits like 17 hours to tell them to forget about it? :confused:
 
Taken from the comments of dailyKos. THis guy is better than the prosecutor.

Why the DA was bringing this to trial and with a 2nd degree murder charge...

Also, a lot of people have been asking why the prosecutor keeps drawing attention to Zimmerman's usage of the word "Suspect."

Zimmerman was studying criminal justice and law enforcement at Seminole State Community College, which 3 attorneys commenting on the trial said would make him familiar with legal jargon... and how to construct a legal narrative that exonerated him to "sell" to the police.

In short... he is trying to hide the fact that he was the aggressor and used deadly force without justification. Getting punched in the nose does not give you the right to kill someone.

He got caught in multiple lies today from saying the dispatcher asked him what was Trayvon doing now so that was why he left the car... but the dispatcher never said that... in fact the opposite is true... Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin.

Zimmerman claimed he wasn't following Trayvon but was looking for a street sign.. except there are only three streets in the development and he has lived there for three years, walks his dog there, and is the head of the neighborhood watch.

Zimmerman said Trayvon jumped out of the bushes... except there are no bushes where the encounter took place.

Zimmerman said that he called out for help and that he felt his life was in danger as trayvon put his hand over his mouth and nose and was "smothering" him... except the the recordings of the screaming showed that there were no pauses or breaks in the screaming... it was continuous.... unless of course it was actually Martin who was doing the screaming.

Zimmrman claimed that Trayvon cried out after being shot and continued to struggle so he pinned his hands outstretched and claimed a neighbor came out at that moment and he asked him to help subdue Trayvon... except the coroner said that one of his heart's ventricle was actually exploded into three pieces and trayvon bleed out internally in 20 seconds after being shot.. Trayvon's hands were found to be under the body by residents who came on the scene moments after the shot... and no neighbor has come forward to verify that Zimmerman asked him to help subdue Trayvon.

The list goes on.... "Creepy Cracker"... I'll go with pathological liar!
 
Prosecutor FINALLY asked a question I wanted him to. Was Zim profiling, and was there any evidence whatsoever that Trayvon Martin was doing anything at all illegal that night?
 
Prosecutor FINALLY asked a question I wanted him to. Was Zim profiling, and was there any evidence whatsoever that Trayvon Martin was doing anything at all illegal that night?

So your saying the DA was warming the Defense up for a couple days to only bitch slap them?
 
If the prosecution doesn't bring up those other inconsistencies from the medical examiner's report, I don't have much hope for this case.


- No blood on the concrete
- No GZ DNA on Trayvon's hands or under his fingernails
- No blood on Trayvon's hoodie sleeves
- No bruises on Trayvon's hands
- No blood, dirt, mud or grass stains on the back of GZ's jeans or jacket


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries
 
If the prosecution doesn't bring up those other inconsistencies from the medical examiner's report, I don't have much hope for this case.


- No blood on the concrete
- No GZ DNA on Trayvon's hands or under his fingernails
- No blood on Trayvon's hoodie sleeves
- No bruises on Trayvon's hands
- No blood, dirt, mud or grass stains on the back of GZ's jeans or jacket


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries

I feel the same way, but check it, you see the defense didn't question the cop about GZ spreading TM arms apart..
 
Is there a reason why you won't take a trip down there to start it yourself ?

I asked what would you PROPOSE they do? Is there something that you want them to do if Zimmerman is found innocent? Better still, what would YOU do if you were in Florida?

There will always be people talkin' shit but won't do shit themselves (instigators). Those folks can cut up if they want to. Then you will really see white folks in fear of their lives and even more black folk dead.
 
these lawyers fucking suck!

this motherfucker bout to walk...and white folks gon start popping caps on Florida niccas on this same level.

gz & the cops keep saying, "suspect" when referencing Trayvon...but what is/was his crime? what crime was committed for him to be profiled that way?

they are profiling & justifying murder right in the court room, live.

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these lawyers fucking suck!

this motherfucker bout to walk...and white folks gon start popping caps on Florida niccas on this same level.

gz & the cops keep saying, "suspect" when referencing Trayvon...but what is/was his crime? what crime was committed for him to be profiled that way?

they are profiling & justifying murder right in the court room, live.

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thinking the same thing...his lawyers are failing him...

:smh: losing a fight does not give you the right to kill someone
 
Hood doesn't put their hood up when it rains?
These dudes sound like cops when they speak. Like a crime novel.
 
This witness is over explaining. Like we helped write the events.
Prosecution didn't object to soooo much questionable shit. They better tie all this in in closing statements. No blood on TMs palms is a dagger and they don't even press it!
 
This witness is over explaining. Like we helped write the events.
Prosecution didn't object to soooo much questionable shit. They better tie all this in in closing statements. No blood on TMs palms is a dagger and they don't even press it!
 
Fucking prosecutors man. I thought the entire point was the challenge the bullshit, not allow them to recite it unopposed.
 
He shoots Trayvon in the chest then Trayvon gets up from a kneeling position then pivots and falls on the grass......:rolleyes:

you gotta be shitting me.....

if he shot Trayvon in the chest that mofo would have fell straight on top of him if he was over him.....

This is why I know he wasn t tussling with him at the time of the shot...Trayvon backed up and yelled help.......

and then was shot and fell.....
 
Wow... this witness is himself federal law enforcement. All opinions on gun rights aside, I don't think I've ever heard a member of law enforcement say that they think everybody (minus felons) should carry guns.
 
This witness is over explaining. Like we helped write the events.
Prosecution didn't object to soooo much questionable shit. They better tie all this in in closing statements. No blood on TMs palms is a dagger and they don't even press it!

To my knowledge this was set up by the prosecution to challenge hearsay in the trial. I suspect a fierce cross.

You right dude over talking and you can tell he is lying
 
I'm mad as fuck, but cant turn away. I'm watching Msnbc and Fox. Fix has better audio. Clearly for Zimmermsn though. Trying to get balance.
 
Wow... this witness is himself federal law enforcement. All opinions on gun rights aside, I don't think I've ever heard a member of law enforcement say that they think everybody (minus felons) should carry guns.


Exactly, how convenient.. This dude is acting like he's corroborating GZ's story. I hadn't heard about him before, anyone else?
 
To my knowledge this was set up by the prosecution to challenge hearsay in the trial. I suspect a fierce cross.

You right dude over talking and you can tell he is lying

Lying or not, it'll be tough to refute testimony when the defense AND the prosecution concedes it to be fact.
 
Lying or not, it'll be tough to refute testimony when the defense AND the prosecution concedes it to be fact.

This may be a great witness for the defense because Zimmermans friend can come off as lying because he is over talking and adding extra things.

I think the defense knew this and the only way to get him to testify was to call him ad a witness. (hoping)

Will wait for the cross.
 
Bet money if dude told GZ what type of gun to buy, he likely told him how to kill and get away with it. What cops look for and how to act under questioning.
 
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