Jimmy Butler, Paul George, or Kawhi Leonard

[KrafMatik]

These dudes created a lot of buzz going into next year. Who you starting your squad with if you had to choose one.

 

[vandamation]

Paul George...

Kawhi Leonard and Jim Butler aren't called on to be their team's first option...

Paul George is... and... he was an All Star...

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Paul George

Then Leonard

Then Butler

George is an allstar, Leonard will be an allstar, and Butler is probably just going to end up being a good NBA starter.

 

[xxironxx]

George all day

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I guess George.

But Leonard did something George didn't do which is show up in the game 7.

I think he's being too humble really and deferring a lot.

When he just says fuck it... whenever that day is... it's a wrap

dude was a monster in this series on the boards and on defense. and then he started saying fuck passing im finishing these steals and rebounds...

if he soaks up post game from duncan.. ?

CURTAINS

 

[RAY V.]

give me leonard that dude never gets in coach pop doghouse
he's a smart, likable and coachable kid...also a beast of a young player

 

[Amajorfucup]

Paul George

Then Leonard

Then Butler

George is an allstar, Leonard will be an allstar, and Butler is probably just going to end up being a good NBA starter.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

Leonard without question!

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Leonard will be better than harden

Imagine him on the bulls

He grabs like 12 boards a game plus can give you 20 easily

 

[BDR]

George only because he is a lil more complete than Leonard but George only beating him by a nose

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Fam give. Leonard the rock and its a wrap

 

[daking181]

give me leonard that dude never gets in coach pop doghouse
he's a smart, likable and coachable kid...also a beast of a young player

when they played the Knicks at the garden he benched him 30 seconds
Into the game.

He did put him in a minute later though

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Give Jimmy a year or two, he get his offense up, he can be an all-star.

 

[Llano]

I guess George.

But Leonard did something George didn't do which is show up in the game 7.

I think he's being too humble really and deferring a lot.

When he just says fuck it... whenever that day is... it's a wrap

dude was a monster in this series on the boards and on defense. and then he started saying fuck passing im finishing these steals and rebounds...

if he soaks up post game from duncan.. ?

CURTAINS

C/S. People forget that Leanord was a PF in college and was beasting in the post. I'm actually suprised how quick he's made the transition into a good perimeter player. Look for Pop to start running more plays for him in the post next season. He could also work on his handles a little bit more just to get him more accustomed to one on one isolation plays.

 

[CT's Finest]

give me leonard that dude never gets in coach pop doghouse
he's a smart, likable and coachable kid...also a beast of a young player

Leonard without question!

Kawhi Leonard

 

[vandamation]

Let's see who Kawhi Leonard REALLY is.... when he's the team's #1 option...

Same thing with Jimmy B...

Those guys don't have the burden of having an offense through them...

Whereas... Paul George... was the guy... in ONLY his second year...

Paul is a proven performer...

Those other guys... are exactly that... The OTHER guys...

 

[Bruh In Law]

Jimmy Butler look like he shape his own fro in the car on the way to the game

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Let's see who Kawhi Leonard REALLY is.... when he's the team's #1 option...

Same thing with Jimmy B...

Those guys won't have the burden of having an offense through them...

Whereas... Paul George... was the guy... in ONLY his second year...

Paul is a proven performer...

Those other guys... are exactly that... The OTHER guys...

Not a fair assessment considering who he was playing for.

George was 2nd fiddle last year to Granger.

Thing is, leonard did what potentially great players do. he sacrificed so he could stay on the court. ok i can't be the #1 cause we got dudes with 3 rings in parker and manu and a guy with 4 in duncan... so im gonna step my defense all the way up and hit my shots.

we saw flashes of what he could do when he is given the chance... he was taking bron off the dribble just like george he was absorbing the contact from multiple defenders and finishing.

his jump stop push shot in the lane was money. he has the tools.

the spurs will be wonderful if they can run it through leonard cause just like george he plays both ends excellently.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Let's see who Kawhi Leonard REALLY is.... when he's the team's #1 option...

Same thing with Jimmy B...

Those guys won't have the burden of having an offense through them...

Whereas... Paul George... was the guy... in ONLY his second year...

Paul is a proven performer...

Those other guys... are exactly that... The OTHER guys...

Agreed. but this was Georges 3rd season... People just dont watch Indiana...

 

[BigATLslim]

Man, it is so close between Leonard and George.

Hard to pick because their roles were different.

 

[vandamation]

Not a fair assessment considering who he was playing for.

George was 2nd fiddle last year to Granger.

Thing is, leonard did what potentially great players do. he sacrificed so he could stay on the court. ok i can't be the #1 cause we got dudes with 3 rings in parker and manu and a guy with 4 in duncan... so im gonna step my defense all the way up and hit my shots.

we saw flashes of what he could do when he is given the chance... he was taking bron off the dribble just like george he was absorbing the contact from multiple defenders and finishing.

his jump stop push shot in the lane was money. he has the tools.

the spurs will be wonderful if they can run it through leonard cause just like george he plays both ends excellently.

I'm not taking anything away from Leonard...

I'm just stating what Paul George had on his plate...

Kawhi had way less responsibility than Paul George... and Kawhi had the benefit of playing with the West's version of the Big 3...

Paul showed that he can be the MAIN guy... I'm saying... Let's see if Kawhi can do the same... Kawhi has a nice game and defensively... I think he's as good as Jimmy B and Paul George... My question is... Can he be a franchise guy??? Paul George stepped up into that role this year.... I want to see if Kawhi can do the same...

 

[HeathCliff]

I like Jimmy

But its hard to pick anybody over Kawhi Leonard

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

I'm not taking anything away from Leonard...

I'm just stating what Paul George had on his plate...

Kawhi had way less responsibility than Paul George... and Kawhi had the benefit of playing with the West's version of the Big 3...

Paul showed that he can be the MAIN guy... I'm saying... Let's see if Kawhi can do the same... Kawhi has a nice game and defensively... I think he's as good as Jimmy B and Paul George... My question is... Can he be a franchise guy??? Paul George stepped up into that role this year.... I want to see if Kawhi can do the same...

Come on now. Don't act like Paul carried his team as if he were LeBron. Hibbert and Hill came into their own this season, not to mention role players such as David West, Lance, and Tyler. George did shine out of the three though, so I will give him that. But he's so hot and cold still. One night he can hit all of his shots. The next, he can't make anything. He needs to work harder on his mind set. And just saying, it's pretty bad when you're the supposed number one on the team and they keep talking about when the former number one is coming back from injury.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I'm not taking anything away from Leonard...

I'm just stating what Paul George had on his plate...

Kawhi had way less responsibility than Paul George... and Kawhi had the benefit of playing with the West's version of the Big 3...

Paul showed that he can be the MAIN guy... I'm saying... Let's see if Kawhi can do the same... Kawhi has a nice game and defensively... I think he's as good as Jimmy B and Paul George... My question is... Can he be a franchise guy??? Paul George stepped up into that role this year.... I want to see if Kawhi can do the same...

understood. i had those questions until game 7.

game 7 he ain't have to do shit he could've done like green and parker and everyone else not named duncan. well diaw did his thing when he was in

but leonard literally took over on both ends of the court man. in a game 7 for the nba championship.

that is someone you can build a franchise around. he's unassuming but that kind of hunger.. that's big paws on a puppy

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

C/S. People forget that Leanord was a PF in college and was beasting in the post. I'm actually suprised how quick he's made the transition into a good perimeter player. Look for Pop to start running more plays for him in the post next season. He could also work on his handles a little bit more just to get him more accustomed to one on one isolation plays.

i saw him beasting in college.

lol indiana traded him for george hill lol.

man indiana might be the toughest team in the world if they had george and leonard with hibbert backing them up

you wanna talk about SHACKLES?

leonard showed me something. it seemed like he was just doing what the coach asked him to do all the way to game 7

game 7 he said ok fuck yall punk asses im gonna try and win this shit.

if im duncan im buying leonard a car or something cause he showed up for me in my last possible game.

 

[Rel]

Paul G. of course but him an kawhi are similar an jimmy will b a highlight reel player for yrs

 

[vandamation]

Come on now. Don't act like Paul carried his team as if he were LeBron. Hibbert and Hill came into their own this season, not to mention role players such as David West, Lance, and Tyler. George did shine out of the three though, so I will give him that. But he's so hot and cold still. One night he can hit all of his shots. The next, he can't make anything. He needs to work harder on his mind set. And just saying, it's pretty bad when you're the supposed number one on the team and they keep talking about when the former number one is coming back from injury.

Listen... Paul George was FORCED into a situation where he had to be the main guy...

There's no denying that he became the team's first option and he was the team's best defender...

All while playing with a team that had NO natural PG... SO... at times, he even became their chief PLAYMAKER...

As good as Kawhi was... his level of responsibility on the court was nowhere NEAR Paul George... I mean... He IS playing with Duncan, Manu and Tony... That makes Kawhi... like the 4th option on that team...

Did Kawhi have to set up plays and call pays on the court???

but Paul George did...

I'm not counting Kawhi out... I'm just giving Paul his props for what he had to do...

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

Listen... Paul George was FORCED into a situation where he had to be the main guy...

There's no denying that he became the team's first option and he was the team's best defender...

All while playing with a team that had NO natural PG... SO... at times, he even became their chief PLAYMAKER...

As good as Kawhi was... his level of responsibility on the court was nowhere NEAR Paul George... I mean... He IS playing with Duncan, Manu and Tony... That makes Kawhi... like the 4th option on that team...

Did Kawhi have to set up plays and call pays on the court???

but Paul George did...

I'm not counting Kawhi out... I'm just giving Paul his props for what he had to do...

Dude, you just ignored everything that I said and came back with things that aren't true. No natural PG? So what is George Hill? Their best defender? So Hibbert didn't post career highs? Forced? Like I said, don't act like he was an all-star among Bobcats out there. Everyone in the Pacers starting line-up posted good numbers. And when George failed to show up, they carried the load. He wasn't doing it alone.

 

[vandamation]

Dude, you just ignored everything that I said and came back with things that aren't true. No natural PG? So what is George Hill? Their best defender? So Hibbert didn't post career highs? Forced? Like I said, don't act like he was an all-star among Bobcats out there. Everyone in the Pacers starting line-up posted good numbers. And when George failed to show up, they carried the load. He wasn't doing it alone.

I never said George carried his team...

I said he stepped up and become their 1st option on offense... and HE FORCED into that role... due to Granger's injury...

George Hill is NOT a natural PG... he more of SG than PG...

Hibbert may have posted career playoff highs... but He actually had worse regular season this year and last year... Paul George was UNQUESTIONABLY Indiana's best defender... NO DEBATE!!!! HIbbert was NOT matched up with opponent's best scorer night in and night out...

The fact is... Paul George didn't have what Leonard have... Duncan, TP and Manu...

And Jimmy B... He didn't even start until Deng got hurt...

All I'm saying is... Let's see what Leonard and Jimmy B do... Can they do what Paul did???

Can they make an All star team??? Can they LEAD their into the playoffs???

These are things that Paul George did...

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

I never said George carried his team...

I said he stepped up and become their 1st option on offense... and HE FORCED into that role... due to Granger's injury...

George Hill is NOT a natural PG... he more of SG than PG...

Hibbert may have posted career playoff highs... but He actually had worse regular season this year and last year... Paul George was UNQUESTIONABLY Indiana's best defender... NO DEBATE!!!! HIbbert was NOT matched up with opponent's best scorer night in and night out...

The fact is... Paul George didn't have what Leonard have... Duncan, TP and Manu...

And Jimmy B... He didn't even start until Deng got hurt...

All I'm saying is... Let's see what Leonard and Jimmy B do... Can they do what Paul did???

Can they make an All star team??? Can they LEAD their into the playoffs???

These are things that Paul George did...

Alright...I tried to be nice but clearly I have to shut this down real quick. There was no first option on the Pacers. Each and every one of them have even said, they are the true essence of a team.

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
79 79 37.6 17.4 1.1 6.5 7.6 4.1 1.81 0.65 2.9 2.9 1.4 16.8

73 73 33.4 17.1 2.0 5.7 7.7 2.9 1.01 0.95 2.2 2.0 1.4

Those stats are from this regular season. One of those belongs to Paul George. The other...David West. Shocking right? Not really. As I said, they all worked off of each other's strengths and weaknesses. So how about Roy Hibbert and George Hill?

George Hill
Roy Hibbert

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
76 76 34.5 14.2 0.6 3.1 3.7 4.7 1.07 0.34 1.5 1.8 3.1 16.6

79 79 28.7 11.9 3.7 4.6 8.3 1.4 0.49 2.61 2.1 3.5 0.7 17.3

Hell, why not. Let's throw in Lance Stephenson.

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
78 72 29.2 8.8 0.6 3.3 3.9 2.9 1.04 0.21 1.4 2.1 2.0 11.8

My point is, Paul George didn't have a large burden to carry on his shoulders. Danny Granger went down but the team pulled together as a unit. Larry Bird knew what he was doing before he stepped down. These aren't mega-stars. They are solid players with all-star potential.

 

[vandamation]

Alright...I tried to be nice but clearly I have to shut this down real quick. There was no first option on the Pacers. Each and every one of them have even said, they are the true essence of a team.

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
79 79 37.6 17.4 1.1 6.5 7.6 4.1 1.81 0.65 2.9 2.9 1.4 16.8

73 73 33.4 17.1 2.0 5.7 7.7 2.9 1.01 0.95 2.2 2.0 1.4

Those stats are from this regular season. One of those belongs to Paul George. The other...David West. Shocking right? Not really. As I said, they all worked off of each other's strengths and weaknesses. So how about Roy Hibbert and George Hill?

George Hill
Roy Hibbert

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
76 76 34.5 14.2 0.6 3.1 3.7 4.7 1.07 0.34 1.5 1.8 3.1 16.6

79 79 28.7 11.9 3.7 4.6 8.3 1.4 0.49 2.61 2.1 3.5 0.7 17.3

Hell, why not. Let's throw in Lance Stephenson.

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
78 72 29.2 8.8 0.6 3.3 3.9 2.9 1.04 0.21 1.4 2.1 2.0 11.8

My point is, Paul George didn't have a large burden to carry on his shoulders. Danny Granger went down but the team pulled together as a unit. Larry Bird knew what he was doing before he stepped down. These aren't mega-stars. They are solid players with all-star potential.

OK... Nice stats...

Now...compare Paul George's numbers to Kawhi Leonard's and Jimmy Butler...

Because... again... My argument is about what Paul is compared to Leonard and Jimmy B... NOT David West... even though, you've proven that Paul George was INDEED the first option... but whatever...

If you want to say there was NO first option in Indy... OK... but who became Indy's leading scorer??? Regular season... AND playoffs??? It wasn't David West OR Roy Hibbert...

Kawhi and Jimmy B are third and fourth options on their respective teams...

At best... Paul George is NO LESS than 2nd option of his team... ( I KNOW.. I KNOW... There IS no 1st option on INDY...)

BUT... when Indy needs a bucket... He's the guy call on to get the bucket...

... and to say... Paul george didn't carry a large burden... REALLY???
So let me get this straight... The team's leading scorer... and Best DEFENDER... didn't carry a large burden... ...

WHATEVER...

My point is... Of the 3 guys in question... ONE GUY... has clearly shown that he capable of being the franchise player... The other 2 have more to prove...

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

OK... Nice stats...

Now...compare Paul George's numbers to Kawhi Leonard's and Jimmy Butler...

Because... again... My argument is about what Paul is compared to Leonard and Jimmy B... NOT David West... even though, you've proven that Paul George was INDEED the first option... but whatever...

If you want to say there was NO first option in Indy... OK... but who became Indy's leading scorer??? Regular season... AND playoffs??? It wasn't David West OR Roy Hibbert...

Kawhi and Jimmy B are third and fourth options on their respective teams...

At best... Paul George is NO LESS than 2nd option of his team... ( I KNOW.. I KNOW... There IS no 1st option on INDY...)

BUT... when Indy needs a bucket... He's the guy call on to get the bucket...

... and to say... Paul george didn't carry a large burden... REALLY???
So let me get this straight... The team's leading scorer... and Best DEFENDER... didn't carry a large burden... ...

WHATEVER...

My point is... Of the 3 guys in question... ONE GUY... has clearly shown that he capable of being the franchise player... The other 2 have more to prove...

Well here is Kawhi.

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
58 57 31.2 11.9 1.1 4.9 6.0 1.6 1.67 0.55 1.1 1.7 1.5 16.5

And if you really broke down the stats beyond just reading the numbers, you would know that both Kawhi and George have a similar player efficiency rating.

Jimmy Butler has the lowest but he also doesn't have as many games played, games started, or minutes played as the other two. As one great man once said...Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

 

[vandamation]

Well here is Kawhi. And if you really broke down the stats beyond just reading the numbers, you would know that both Kawhi and George have a similar player efficiency rating.

GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
58 57 31.2 11.9 1.1 4.9 6.0 1.6 1.67 0.55 1.1 1.7 1.5 16.5

Jimmy Butler has the lowest but he also doesn't have as many games played, games started, or minutes played as the other two. As one great man once said...Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Numbers don't lie...

But they don't tell the whole story either...

Let's see what happens when THEY ARE CALL UPON TO BE 'THE GUY'...

Neither Jimmy nor Kawhi had that burden...

Let's see when they get their chance... That's all I'm saying...

As far as I'm concerned... The book is still open on Jimmy and Kawhi... moreso on Jimmy than Kawhi because Kawhi's Finals performance was GREAT...

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

Numbers don't lie...

But they don't tell the whole story either...

Let's see what happens when THEY ARE CALL UPON TO BE 'THE GUY'...

Neither Jimmy nor Kawhi had that burden...

Let's see when they get their chance... That's all I'm saying...

As far as I'm concerned... The book is still open on Jimmy and Kawhi... moreso on Jimmy than Kawhi because Kawhi's Finals performance was GREAT...

Stats prove that George was NOT 'The Guy'. David West's stats mirror George's. While Hibbert's and Hill's aren't far behind. Go check the difference of the stats between Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. That will show you what stats of 'The Guy' look like. Paul George hasn't proven anything yet. The game they needed him most, he pulled a disappearing act. Like another great man said, if you wanna be the man then you gotta beat the man. Let's see what happens when Granger comes back and George is supposedly handed the keys to the car.

 

[vandamation]

Stats prove that George was NOT 'The Guy'. David West's stats mirror George's. While Hibbert's and Hill's aren't far behind. Go check the difference of the stats between Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. That will show you what stats of 'The Guy' look like. Paul George hasn't proven anything yet. The game they needed him most, he pulled a disappearing act. Like another great man said, if you wanna be the man then you gotta beat the man. Let's see what happens when Granger comes back and George is supposedly handed the keys to the car.

OK...

but that only means that the other guys have proven less...

Jimmy B ain't starting... and Kawhi ain't an all star...

Meanwhile... in Indy... PG is on the rise...