Why Django Unchained was PURE Bullshit - every black person with DVD should toss it

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Like I always say, anyone who goes to the movie theater for Real History is an idiot.....

If your interest is real history, read a book.

Django was a fictional movie that was quite entertaining for those of us knew our Real History way before the movie; and loved seeing Django fuck up those CAC's who would have placed ads exactly like the one you posted.....

what I meant by that statement was from the way QT explained the story in interviews and from the way people defend it in threads makes it seem like Django Unchained could have ONLY went down the way he did it.

Particularly how it opened...a nice white man buying Django and giving him his freedom vs him being an escaped slave. The nice white man not only enabling him but offering up plans and schemes rather than Django making deals with him to keep him around so that he can do what he has to. That Django couldn't operate on his own for the most part because it was south and he was born into slavery so he doesn't know any better UNTIL a nice white man comes along.


That article I clipped says that an irishman helped Dennis get out of Raleigh. But they may not have stayed together after that MAYBE Dennis is acting on his own going from town to town posing as freeman and ditch digger there was no CSI or reliable investigation service back then. The slave owner says he's very intelligent and Dennis has been gone for 5 YEARS does that strike anyone as a person who couldn't make shit happen until some white man does it for him?

My point is Django doesn't show TRUE black empowerment until its well established that a nice white man has fully enabled him to be able to anything he does. Thats done so that white audiences aren't totally put off by seeing an intelligent, thinking black man from the beginning kicking ass and working his way around to getting his wife on his own accord. And the people who have an issue with the film (Will Smith, Jeffrey Wright etc) recognize that as a fundamental flaw in the story..so what he kills a bunch of white in the end he pretty much does it with permission and only after a good white man has totally enabled him to be ABLE to do it. I'm just trying to show black people that we have to more of a critical eye when it comes to stories about our history whether its fact or fiction. The reality is people get their sense of history and self worth from fiction more than fact any way. The fact that most blacks either couldn't or refuse to pick up on the subverted black heroism in the film and fully support it HAPPILY with their dollars shows that. :smh:

You got niggas than will tell you in 15 levels deep why a Tyler Perry film is bad for the black community yet suck 20 miles of Tarantino's dick when he actually is even worse than perry has ever been in terms of negative black messaging and imagery in so many more ways.
 
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THIS is why the way Tarantino wrote Django Unchained is complete BULLSHIT.. READ THAT ARTICLE^^^^^

This is the south...this is the a few years before the civil war the SAME time period of the film. And this is REAL HISTORY not a mash up of speghetti westerns and blaxploitation with some rap music thrown in :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T LIKE THE FILM AND WAS FLABBERGASTED THAT BLACK PEOPLE ACTED LIKE HE GAVE US A GIFT:hmm::hmm::hmm:

Its not about it being based on some historical record..its about the WAY its told that subverts black heroism. Theres a reason why Will Smith said the lead character wasn't the hero. Theres a reason why christoph waltz won an oscar and jamie foxx got shit for the SAME FILM. Theres a reason why the ONLY people to walk away with any kind of accolades and acclaim in a movie about BLACK SLAVE REVENGE were all white people.

Sure the film was entertaining on the surface but just underneath is a big fuck you..and you paid your money to see that in a movie theater and buy the blu-ray:smh::smh:

These two posts seem to contradict on another, geech. In the first one you seemingly indicate you despised Django because it didn't present real history. Then in this second reply you said history had nothing to do with it.


Its not about it being based on some historical record..its about the WAY its told that subverts black heroism.

I made this exact point in another thread about why I didn't like Red Tails.

geechiedan you say anyone going into 42 looking for a documentary shouldn't bother. Same thing could and should have been said about Red tails.

I think people went into Red Tails and failed to readjust their viewing scopes. Lucas's intention for the film was not to make a heavy/serious drama about the lives of the airmen in the way HBO did. He wanted to make an action film with black heroes in the way Howard Hughes made WW2 action films with douglas fairbanks and john wayne etc. Think Fast and Furious type action and story with killing Nazis.. in order to get that film your mindset has to adjust to that if youre thinking that it "has to do justice to the men's lives" then you are (as most were) going to be disappointed. Lucas just wanted to make a fun action packed film using black heroes from WW2 just like whites have ALWAYS done their jingoistic action packed film with white heroes (Davy Crockett, Sergeant York, The Fighting 69th (based on the actual unit in WW1, hell the recent film Pearl Harbor based on real events and actual people which got PANNED critically but still made almost half a BILLION at the BO) people just took Red Tails waay more seriously than they should have.
 
It's entertainment, not history. Does anyone really believe a slave of Sam Jacson's skin tone would have lived in big house?

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what I meant by that statement was from the way QT explained the story in interviews and from the way people defend it in threads makes it seem like Django Unchained could have ONLY went down the way he did it.

Particularly how it opened...a nice white man buying Django and giving him his freedom vs him being an escaped slave. The nice white man not only enabling him but offering up plans and schemes rather than Django making deals with him to keep him around so that he can do what he has to. That Django couldn't operate on his own for the most part because it was south and he was born into slavery so he doesn't know any better UNTIL a nice white man comes along.


That article I clipped says that an irishman helped Dennis get out of Raleigh. But they may not have stayed together after that MAYBE Dennis is acting on his own going from town to town posing as freeman and ditch digger there was no CSI or reliable investigation service back then. The slave owner says he's very intelligent and Dennis has been gone for 5 YEARS does that strike anyone as a person who couldn't make shit happen until some white man does it for him?

My point is Django doesn't show TRUE black empowerment until its well established that a nice white man has fully enabled him to be able to anything he does. Thats done so that white audiences aren't totally put off by seeing an intelligent, thinking black man from the beginning kicking ass and working his way around to getting his wife on his own accord. And the people who have an issue with the film (Will Smith, Jeffrey Wright etc) recognize that as a fundamental flaw in the story..so what he kills a bunch of white in the end he pretty much does it with permission and only after a good white man has totally enabled him to be ABLE to do it. I'm just trying to show black people that we have to more of a critical eye when it comes to stories about our history whether its fact or fiction. The reality is people get their sense of history and self worth from fiction more than fact any way. The fact that most blacks either couldn't or refuse to pick up on the subverted black heroism in the film and fully support it HAPPILY with their dollars shows that. :smh:

You got niggas than will tell you in 15 levels deep why a Tyler Perry film is bad for the black community yet suck 20 miles of Tarantino's dick when he actually is even worse than perry has ever been in terms of negative black messaging and imagery in so many more ways.

Do you write or shoot anything? Is any of your work online that can be viewed?
 
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This was the realest Break Down....3:25



This is probably the most intelligent criticism I've heard of this film.

Thanks for posting. :cool:
 
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QT is alright with me.... sellin them bootlegs, makin some pocket change, Django still sellin'. Keep that shit coming QT.:beer:

free ya mind and ya ass is sure to follow.
 
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A black dude lives thru out the movie and mofos still complaining
 
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what I meant by that statement was from the way QT explained the story in interviews and from the way people defend it in threads makes it seem like Django Unchained could have ONLY went down the way he did it.
That's how YOU interpret Tarantino's defense. It's YOUR opinion. You seem to want us all to agree with your opinion and interpretation. That's not gonna happen, bruh. Yes, Django COULD have played out the way YOU wanted it to, but it's Tarantino's story. You want something told a particular way, you've gotta tell it yourself.

Particularly how it opened...a nice white man buying Django and giving him his freedom vs him being an escaped slave. The nice white man not only enabling him but offering up plans and schemes rather than Django making deals with him to keep him around so that he can do what he has to. That Django couldn't operate on his own for the most part because it was south and he was born into slavery so he doesn't know any better UNTIL a nice white man comes along.

Again, that's Tarantino's Django. And it's not an unrealistic approach. Django was born into slavery. Couldn't even read, let alone, shoot or work the bounty hunting business. So, yeah, he needed Schultz... and Schultz needed him. Sure, he could have been a super con artist and tricked Schultz into helping him, but that's Geechie's movie, not this one.



That article I clipped says that an irishman helped Dennis get out of Raleigh. But they may not have stayed together after that MAYBE Dennis is acting on his own going from town to town posing as freeman and ditch digger there was no CSI or reliable investigation service back then. The slave owner says he's very intelligent and Dennis has been gone for 5 YEARS does that strike anyone as a person who couldn't make shit happen until some white man does it for him?

LOT'S of conjecture and assumption here. You have no idea what Dennis and the Irishman's relationship was. Why was Dennis running around the South under assumed aliases for five years? Why didn't he just go North or West? That's ok with you, but you have a problem with Django teaming up with Schultz and eventually wasting a whole plantation full of white slavers to get his wife back. :confused:


My point is Django doesn't show TRUE black empowerment until its well established that a nice white man has fully enabled him to be able to anything he does. Thats done so that white audiences aren't totally put off by seeing an intelligent, thinking black man from the beginning kicking ass and working his way around to getting his wife on his own accord. And the people who have an issue with the film (Will Smith, Jeffrey Wright etc) recognize that as a fundamental flaw in the story..so what he kills a bunch of white in the end he pretty much does it with permission and only after a good white man has totally enabled him to be ABLE to do it. I'm just trying to show black people that we have to more of a critical eye when it comes to stories about our history whether its fact or fiction. The reality is people get their sense of history and self worth from fiction more than fact any way. The fact that most blacks either couldn't or refuse to pick up on the subverted black heroism in the film and fully support it HAPPILY with their dollars shows that. :smh:
It's funny you use Will Smith and Jeffrey Wright here. Smith has never done a film with a Black director and is actively searching Hollywood for white directors/writers for his remake of the Black classic Uptown Saturday Night, while Wright did a film where he played a Black man riding with a bunch of Confederates.
Bottom line, Django was made by a white director so, of course, he has a different view of Black Empowerment. However, it took a white director to make a film with a hardcore Black hero, putting in work for his Black wife. Meanwhile, the top Black directors are either making Black chick flicks with emasculated, childish Black male leads or confusing, underdeveloped, amateurish indies, or movies with predominantly white casts.


You got niggas than will tell you in 15 levels deep why a Tyler Perry film is bad for the black community yet suck 20 miles of Tarantino's dick when he actually is even worse than perry has ever been in terms of negative black messaging and imagery in so many more ways.

C'mon son. GTFOH! :lol::lol: Tarantino's first film back in the late nineties was better written, directed, and acted than Perry's entire catalogue!
 
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This is probably the most intelligent criticism I've heard of this film.

Thanks for posting. :cool:

I like Jeffrey Wright, but his opinion on this doesn't hold a lot of weight to me. Look up a film he did called Ride With The Devil
 
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I like Jeffrey Wright, but his opinion on this doesn't hold a lot of weight to me. Look up a film he did called Ride With The Devil

Will do.

I actually enjoyed Django Unchained for what it was and thought most of the criticism directed against it kind of silly (with some legitimate concerns mixed in). Having said that... the plot points raised by Wright do kind of the beg the question "why didn't the main protagonist of the film kill the villain?".
 
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nobody should buy the movie on dvd. we don't need to put more money in white pockets.

That logic is silly though. So I shouldn't buy toothpaste or soap because whitey makes it? You just can live this life worrying a bout who's selling you product. We need to get in position to where we can make our own films like Tyler Perry is trying to do(funny he gets vilified here though.). But we won't even support films by blacks so I guess its moot. Cac's had no problem running out to see Django though. :lol:
 
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I still love Django Unchained!!!!!!!!!!


will watch again this time on Bluray as well.
 
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I don't get why people look at Django as a history piece when it was just a revenge/action flick.​
 
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I don't get why people look at Django as a history piece when it was just a revenge/action flick.​

Niggas just want something to argue about. It snot even about the fact a white director made it. Had Spike Lee made it would've been the same people bitter.

Inglorious Bastards killed Hitler and you didn't see no one talking about how true the shit was.
 
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I don't get why people look at Django as a history piece when it was just a revenge/action flick.​

Most black people have problems with how we are portrayed in the media. I can agree with that. Also, there is a historical precedent where white intentionally misrepresent history and black culture.

QT was in a lose-lose situation just like Spike when he did Malcom X. I love both movies, but the reality is that you are going to have many detractors when you makes these types of films.
 
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This was a movie only for entertainment. That said its a story no where was it written it was supposed to depict a real historical event(s). Plus I seriously doubt that posting alone was the catalyst to the movie. There were hundreds of such cases that took place of slaves escaping.

There were parts of the movie I didn't care for but there were parts I enjoyed. Since I don't go to movies with specific expectations I can even enjoy like this one.
 
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Do you write or shoot anything? Is any of your work online that can be viewed?
click the link to my blog and go to the madcomix section i have a few comix posted and I'm working on more currently.

A black dude lives thru out the movie and mofos still complaining

its how he lives not the fact that he does in this case.
 
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Geechie was mad when the movie was released, now he angry when it was released on DVD, I guess he gonna be furious when that bitch is on TNT
 
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Damn, a NEW Django thread??? :hmm:
 
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A black dude lives thru out the movie and mofos still complaining

Not only does he live, but he splatters all them white racist motherfuckers to smithereens to save his black queen (which he does). Shit don't get no better than that. Fuck the bullshit all the rest in the thread are talking about.

I bought the Blu-Ray and have the framed full-size movie poster in my man cave. WHAT!!


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Geechie think telling niggas not to look at it and trying to sway us not to watch it is gonna stop the bitch from making 200 million. :lol: Go out in the streets and boycott. :lol:
 
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Will do.

I actually enjoyed Django Unchained for what it was and thought most of the criticism directed against it kind of silly (with some legitimate concerns mixed in). Having said that... the plot points raised by Wright do kind of the beg the question "why didn't the main protagonist of the film kill the villain?".

That's a popular misunderstanding of Django Unchained. Django does kill the villain. Stephen is the main villain. Candie is an obstacle, sure, but they had him completely fooled and would have gotten away without firing a shot if Stephen hadn't given it away.
 
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So you got mad that Star Wars wasn't like NASA?..

GTFOH
 
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THIS is why the way Tarantino wrote Django Unchained is complete BULLSHIT.. READ THAT ARTICLE^^^^^

* Dude RANAWAY - ESCAPED in 1852 that article was published 1857 so he's been gone for 5 YEARS...

* He passed himself off as a FREE MAN and lived under ASSUMED NAMES in all that time...

* Worked with an irish dude in escaping Raleigh. Now MAYBE the irish guy was an abolitionist and convinced him to escape or MAYBE he talked the irish guy into helping him in any case nothing can happen unless Dennis took the first step and decided to take the chance you know...like a REAL HERO would. And this how his story STARTS..not ends. And MAYBE he passed thru all those towns because he was looking for his woman or family that was sold all over. Its possible.

This is the south...this is the a few years before the civil war the SAME time period of the film. And this is REAL HISTORY not a mash up of speghetti westerns and blaxploitation with some rap music thrown in :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T LIKE THE FILM AND WAS FLABBERGASTED THAT BLACK PEOPLE ACTED LIKE HE GAVE US A GIFT:hmm::hmm::hmm:

QT made that film the way he did for a reason and it had NOTHING to do with pleasing a black audience. :smh::smh::smh:

so did you not like the movie becuz it wasn't taken from the letter you posted or becase it was made by a white person, please clear that up?
 
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That's how YOU interpret Tarantino's defense. It's YOUR opinion. You seem to want us all to agree with your opinion and interpretation. That's not gonna happen, bruh. Yes, Django COULD have played out the way YOU wanted it to, but it's Tarantino's story. You want something told a particular way, you've gotta tell it yourself.
Yeah I'm working on that but in the mean time don't give us steakums and act like you gave us filet mignon which is how QT comes off and most black folks who love the film act like.

Again, that's Tarantino's Django. And it's not an unrealistic approach. Django was born into slavery. Couldn't even read, let alone, shoot or work the bounty hunting business. So, yeah, he needed Schultz... and Schultz needed him. Sure, he could have been a super con artist and tricked Schultz into helping him, but that's Geechie's movie, not this one.

and you have to ask yourself why that is considering there are so many ways to tell that story which truly shows an empowered self actuated man.

I posted a thread long before the movie came out about runaway/escaped slave articles and by far the majority of them are blacks concocting plans and missions on their own to get out. And they were born into slavery and a lot couldn't read and so forth.

American History 101 - The Runaway Slave Chronicles

LOT'S of conjecture and assumption here. You have no idea what Dennis and the Irishman's relationship was. Why was Dennis running around the South under assumed aliases for five years? Why didn't he just go North or West? That's ok with you, but you have a problem with Django teaming up with Schultz and eventually wasting a whole plantation full of white slavers to get his wife back. :confused:
The second half of the I have less problem with its the first half that sets up schultz as some benevolent all father that takes Django under his wing (even tho his character is supposed to be a cold calculating killer in it for the money) gives him everything then sacrifices his life for him. Once its established that Django owes schultz his life and everything he has is because of a good white man THEN AND ONLY THEN can he go on his rampage and kill all the bad white people.

Why Dennis didn't leave completely I don't know but those open spaces leaves alot for imagining and since we're talking about fictional stories it can go any way you want and if your talking about a story about a black slave getting rrevenge then why NOT go full on from the beginning?

It's funny you use Will Smith and Jeffrey Wright here. Smith has never done a film with a Black director and is actively searching Hollywood for white directors/writers for his remake of the Black classic Uptown Saturday Night, while Wright did a film where he played a Black man riding with a bunch of Confederates.
doesn't make their observations any less valid. In fact I haven't heard ANYONE actually dispute their observations point by point. They just attack them personally.

Bottom line, Django was made by a white director so, of course, he has a different view of Black Empowerment. However, it took a white director to make a film with a hardcore Black hero, putting in work for his Black wife. Meanwhile, the top Black directors are either making Black chick flicks with emasculated, childish Black male leads or confusing, underdeveloped, amateurish indies, or movies with predominantly white casts.

The bold is the crux of the issue. As a white man QT has an innately different view of black empowerment. One that does not match up with what we as black folks SHOULD be looking for.

And I've said that Django is a movie only a white man can make and get the type of response he got from it. Be honest do you really believe that a black director who wanted to make that film like I've described Django (fully empowered from the beginning) would get:

100 million budget from the studios?
make 400 million in BO in 2 months?
have white people lined up around the corner to watch it?
win 2 oscars and countless other awards?

Now if you answer those questions honestly then you'll see why black cinema looks the way it does and why QT can get away with his portrayals of blacks in his flicks which should make you give his films even more of a :tut: face.

C'mon son. GTFOH! :lol::lol: Tarantino's first film back in the late nineties was better written, directed, and acted than Perry's entire catalogue!
I'm not talking about his skill as a filmmaker but his characterization of black people isn't any better and I challenge you show any difference.
 
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Not only does he live, but he splatters all them white racist motherfuckers to smithereens to save his black queen (which he does). Shit don't get no better than that. Fuck the bullshit all the rest in the thread are talking about.

I bought the Blu-Ray and have the framed full-size movie poster in my man cave. WHAT!!

actually it can..:yes:
 
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Wrestling is also not real, but I still enjoy it by watching from time to time! Yes, I disagree with the original poster and yes, I can disagree in this thread if I want to!
 
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