Those Damn Guns Again

How about repealing the 2nd Amendment. It's as antiquated as slavery.

How about ban all handguns? It is a cowardly weapon anyway.

Make it easy as pie to own a long gun (rifle, shotgun, assault rifle) with lots of training options.

If you look at the national crime statistics, handguns account (far and away) for most murders in this country.

If you combine ALL long guns, they do not equal 1/10 of the murders of hand guns. In fact, ALL long guns account for fewer murders than bare hands.
 
Sen. Boxer Proposes Deploying National Guard at Schools

WASHINGTON — Federal funds would be made available to deploy National Guard troops at schools under legislation introduced Wednesday by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) in response to last week’s mass slaying at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

The Save Our Schools Act would leave it to governors to decide whether to call out the National Guard and how to use troops around schools.

"Is it not part of the national defense to make sure that your children are safe?" Boxer said at Capitol Hill press conference.
 
What would it say about our leadership (Pres. Obama) if it is implemented?[/B]

I'd say he is a bigger fool than the NRA and its adherents.


I don't support the NRA because they are a 'compromise' organization, for lack of a better term. But I was wondering why the NRA was silent immediately following the incident at Sandy Hook, so I did some research after their press conference. "The National School Shield"? The NRA already has a program designed and ready to implement? What is up with that? Were they waiting for the right moment to pitch their latest product? I just can't come outright & say it but damn, what a coincidence

I could tell you were disappointed; that the NRA had let you down. As someone said earlier in this thread, the NRA is really the organ of the manufacturers and sellers. Apparently, its been misleading enthusiasts right under their noses. :hmm:
 
Rev. Al Sharpton vows to mount protests against NRA and gun culture after Sandy Hook

Rev. Al Sharpton vows to mount protests against NRA and gun culture after Sandy Hook massacre





Sharpton said he will organize a protest against the NRA and gun manufacturers that will kick off with a rally at the influential lobbying group’s Washington headquarters next month.


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The Rev. Al Sharpton rips “asinine” statement by NRA boss. Anthony DelMundo


The Rev. Al Sharpton vowed Saturday to take the fight to the National Rifle Association as the powerful gun lobby retreated into silence a day after its bizarre public defense.

Sharpton said he will organize a protest against the NRA and gun manufacturers that will kick off with a rally at the influential lobbying group’s Washington headquarters next month.

“We need to get a real movement against those who get rich off the perpetuation of killing,” said the civil rights leader.

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“The only purpose of assault weapons is for war,” Sharpton continued. “You don’t hunt with assault weapons. Nobody shoots down prey with so many bullets you couldn’t eat the prey.”

Sharpton mocked the claim by NRA head Wayne LaPierre that the best way to prevent classroom shootings like the massacre in Newtown, Conn., is to post an armed guard at every school in America.

“It was one of the most asinine statements I’ve heard in a long time,” Sharpton said at the Harlem headquarters of the National Action Network.

He urged Congress to pass meaningful gun control legislation, ripping its inaction after the mass shooting at Virginia Tech or the one in Tucson that gravely wounded then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and killed six others.

“They shot one of their legislators in Tucson and they still didn’t put a new bill on the table,” he said.

The failure of Congress to enact strict firearms laws has long been attributed to the successful lobbying efforts of the deep-pocketed NRA, which funds scores of candidates on both sides of the aisle.

In the immediate aftermath of the Connecticut shooting, the 4 million-member organization pledged “meaningful contributions” to combat gun violence — but LaPierre did not give an inch.

He said the NRA would not accept any responsibility for the epidemic of mass shootings, instead blaming madmen who grew up on a steady diet of violent video games and movies.

LaPierre ridiculed politicians for creating gun-free zones around schools and said the nation’s children could only be protected by more firearms.

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” he said during the surreal Washington event.

He didn’t take questions, but is scheduled to appear Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” The network said he’s expected to address ways to curb gun violence.

LaPierre’s angry, tone-deaf presentation — which was held just 90 minutes after a national moment of silence for the Newtown victims — enraged many gun control activists and disappointed several NRA allies.

jlemire@nydailynews.com
 

This is one of those signs that you can sense that some kind of change is really in the air. On NBC’s Meet the Press, National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre on Sunday refused to support new gun control legislation and maintained his support for putting armed guards and police in schools in response to the Dec. 14 school shootings in Newtown, Conn.:

“If it’s crazy to call for putting police in and securing our schools to protect our children, then call me crazy,” LaPierre told NBC’s David Gregory. “I think the American people think it’s crazy not to do it. It’s the one thing that would keep people safe and the NRA is going try to do that.”​



  • Who pays for these hundreds of thousands of guards (A/K/A the NRA's "Gun Stimulus)? - the NRA, :smh: (hell no, the NRA wants us taxpayers to foot the bill for its gotdamn gruesome greed :eek:)

  • Do you get a sense that this guys gives a shit about children; or just more gun sales???


  • If armed guards are the answer, where in the public do we not put them ??? I know, using the NRA's logic, they must be placed every-fucking-where and, again, -- who pays ???



Wayne LaPierre, Yeah, I believe that you and those who support this crazy-ass idea are crazy as hell :angry:


 

P.S.

Thanks Wayne LaPierre. Your craziness cannot but help move rational people towards reasonable solutions to your ilk's insanity.


 
I'd say he is a bigger fool than the NRA and its adherents.




I could tell you were disappointed; that the NRA had let you down. As someone said earlier in this thread, the NRA is really the organ of the manufacturers and sellers. Apparently, its been misleading enthusiasts right under their noses. :hmm:

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:yawn: This board is getting boring.

Everything is predictable.

I just can't wait until the election. The gun control debate will not go anywhere. It's really a waste of time.


Wrong again!

I agree.

No question in my mind LaPierre senses that reasonable people are becoming more and more concerned over gun violence in the U.S., and that reasonable people are becoming more and more open to reasonable gun regulation.

In my lowly-regarded opinion, LaPierre is beginning to react wildly to the prospect that change may be coming that he can't push back, hence, the outlandish "guards in schools" attempt to change the debate back towards NRA's favor and the arguments the NRA can better manipulate and control.

. . . and . . . Lamar is recognizing that too :lol:
 
Re: Rev. Al Sharpton vows to mount protests against NRA and gun culture after Sandy H

I could appreciate Al's efforts, but, he should be careful. Gun regulation is beginning a slow-roll towards a momentum that, hopefully, will result in meaningful legislation aimed at helping to stem the tide against gun violence in this country. Sharpton is one of those activist, if he is not careful, that can act as a lightning rod attracting attention distracting the real issue.

The NRA would leap at the opportunity to make this a NRA vs. Sharpton debate, replete with racial stereotypes, attention-whoring and distortions that it could drum-up that would have nothing to do with reasonable gun regulation and everything to do with Sharpton and the negatives that his detractors perceive.

Doesn't mean that Sharpton shouldn't have a role . . .
 
I agree.

No question in my mind LaPierre senses that reasonable people are becoming more and more concerned over gun violence in the U.S., and that reasonable people are becoming more and more open to reasonable gun regulation.

In my lowly-regarded opinion, LaPierre is beginning to react wildly to the prospect that change may be coming that he can't push back, hence, the outlandish "guards in schools" attempt to change the debate back towards NRA's favor and the arguments the NRA can better manipulate and control.

. . . and . . . Lamar is recognizing that too :lol:

there's that damn language "reasonable", "sensible", "practical" etc.

No compromise here bruh, but the NRA is fulla sh*t. I'll expound later, I'm on the road now!

AAA, Check out Gun Owners of America. http://www.gunowners.org/
 
there's that damn language "reasonable", "sensible", "practical" etc.

Yep :yes: - - there's that language again; the kind of words that extremist have difficulty with.


No compromise here bruh, but the NRA is fulla sh*t.

I understand. When ole reliable gets exposed, you either have to agree that its been exposed, or discredit it as, fulla sh*t. :lol:


I'll expound later, I'm on the road now!

Be safe. Seriously.



AAA, Check out Gun Owners of America. http://www.gunowners.org/

LMBAO !!!!!

LaPierre's ass has gotten into a jam;

the call goes to the bullpen . . .


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AAA :lol:

Warm-up


:lol:

weeee

 


Okay, that's crazy. We're sure this isn't a parody headline.
The DoE has and has had a plan for well over a decade to address this issue, it is as it's always been, up to individual school systems to implement it.


P.S.

Thanks Wayne LaPierre. Your craziness cannot but help move rational people towards reasonable solutions to your ilk's insanity.



:yes:


I'm still not over the idea that the NRA is a "compromise" organization, A) like that's true and B) like it would be a bad thing if it was. Idealogues are funny creatures to me.
 



Wayne LaPierre blames the shootings
on just about everything but guns:
video games, environmental
disasters and gun-free
school zones.

But not guns.

:hmm:

 
Wayne LaPierre blames the shootings
on just about everything but guns:
video games, environmental
disasters and gun-free
school zones.

But not guns.

:hmm:


Every country in the "western world" has these things except the gun violence we have, Why?
 
Arm the firefighters?

source: USA Today

4 firefighters shot, 2 killed at Webster, N.Y., fire

Fires allowed to spread while gunman remains at large


A gunman opened fire on firefighters responding to a blaze at a house in a Rochester suburb early Monday, killing two firefighters and injuring two others.

Webster, N.Y., police Chief Gerald Pickering said "one or more shooters" fired at the firefighters when they arrived around 5:45 a.m. ET at the scene near the shore of Lake Ontario in western New York state.

There was no active shooter at the scene by late morning, according to Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn, the Associated Press reported.

Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier said the blaze was allowed to spread until the scene was secured. As a helicopter whirled overhead, firefighters were finally able to begin attacking the blaze, which had spread to three homes and a vehicle.

The two injured firefighters were in guarded condition at Strong Memorial Hospital with gunshot wounds, according to a hospital spokeswoman, The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reported.

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At West Webster Fire Department, the flag outside was lowered to half-staff.

"These firemen are part of our family. You go into a fire with these guys. To see them go down with something like this is totally unexpected. We are in shock," said fire district commissioner Billy Gross.

"Each of the firefighters is comforting each other," said Pat Morris, another fire district commissioner.

The gunman opened fire on the first firefighters to respond to the call, striking one in the backside. One of the injured firefighters was able to drive his vehicle away from the scene.

"I'm not aware of anything like this happening in Webster, obviously not a firefighter being fired upon," Boutillier said.

A SWAT team escorted some residents to a bus that took them from the neighborhood.

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Boutillier advised those residents who chose to remain in their homes to stay away from windows and doors.

Webster resident Michael Damico was among those neighbors who were evacuated.

"The whole strip's been evacuated," he said. "They're evacuating all of the houses and going through them."

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Webster, N.Y.

Damico's son woke him up around 8 a.m. to tell him about the fire that was burning down the street.

"We looked out the window and we saw the SWAT team and everyone around," he said.

"Some people on this bus already watched their houses burn," Damico said. "They're not happy."

Webster, with a population of 5,000, is located northeast of Rochester.
 
Arm the police?



source: my Fox Houston

Police officer among 2 fatally shot in Houston



HOUSTON (AP) - A police officer has died of gunshot wounds in Houston after the driver of a car that he tried to pull over opened fire on him.

Houston police spokesman John Cannon says the officer died at a Houston hospital and that a bystander also was killed in the exchange of gunfire Monday morning.

Cannon says the suspect is wounded and also in a hospital.

He says the officer who was killed tried to pull over a car but that the driver sped away and hit another car. After the accident, the officer approached and the suspect opened fire.

Cannon says the officer fired back and that the suspect took off on foot. Other police officers captured the suspect.

Cannon says officer was based in the southwest Houston enclave of Bellaire.

 
The Dissolution of Basic Rights

The Dissolution of Basic Rights
My basic right is my right to bear arms. I am sad that children have died but that is not an excuse to take away my 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. I also share an excerpt from a book my Father and I are writing called "The Distress of John and Jane Q. Public".
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Re: The Dissolution of Basic Rights


New York Paper Publishes Names, Addresses of Handgun Owners


New York’s “Journal News” ignited a fierce debate Sunday after publishing the names and addresses of pistol [i.e. - handgun] permit holders in two New York counties. They are actively working on acquiring data for a third county. On the Journal News website, you can click on any one of the dots and get the full name and exact address of the permit holder.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fur...addresses-of-legal-pistol-owners-in-new-york/

It is not clear what, if any, laws the paper has broken by printing the map, but it is clear to see how doing so could lead to trouble. Pick any area within the two counties and you can zoom in to the street level and get the names and addresses of every licensed gun owner. Criminals can use the tool as a treasure map in order to plan robberies and activists can begin campaigns of harassment against the legal owners of handguns.
http://yesbuthowever.com/newspaper-777615-likens-gun-owners-to-child-molestors/

Here is the Newspaper's website, with Interactive Map
http://www.lohud.com/interactive/ar...gun-permits-your-neighborhood-?nclick_check=1


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Contact info for -
The Journal News
1133 Westchester Avenue, Suite N110
White Plains, New York 10604

Janet Hasson, President & Publisher
914-694-5203
jhasson@lohud.com

George Troyano, Vice President/Sales & Marketing
914-694-5157
gtroyano@lohud.com

CynDee Royle, Editor & Vice President/News
914-694-5001
croyle@lohud.com

Kathy Moore, Local Content Editor
914-694-3523
kjmoore@lohud.com
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... and the NRA's answer to protecting children in schools?

You would think that America's most infamous gun rights group would back the latest calls for allowing teachers to carry a concealed weapon.

Not the NRA. No, what they suggest is government-trained, government-licensed, government-armed and government-paid security. Fiscal conservatives, you do understand this type of response grows the size & scope of govt, which you claim you despise every election cycle? NRA = Big Government

More totalitarianism on display!

Is this pro-liberty? Absolutely NOT. For one, it would cost taxpayers even more money for an education system that is flawed at every level. Second, they want teachers to remain restricted from protecting themselves, let alone the children.

Seems as though, the NRA & Barbara Boxer have a lot in common, compromise shouldn't be too far away
 
CA Homeowner Shoots and Kills Armed Home Invader, Wounds 2 Others as Children Have Sleepover

A homeowner in Sacramento is being treated for non life threatening wounds after successfully fighting off 3 armed home invaders who tried to attack his home last night.

The homeowner grabbed a weapon after 3 armed men tried to break into the home, and opened fire.

The homeowner was shot by one of the suspects, but he managed to shoot all 3 suspects. One of the shot suspects died at the scene and the other 2 are being detained by police as they try to figure out exactly what happened.

Residents say there were children in the home at the time of the attempted home invasion. There may have been a children’s slumber party going on at the time of the attack.

Editor’s note: We are thankful that the homeowner was fast acting and armed or we could be talking about a mass murder of children at a slumber party today.
 
CA Homeowner Shoots and Kills Armed Home Invader, Wounds 2 Others as Children Have Sleepover

A homeowner in Sacramento is being treated for non life threatening wounds after successfully fighting off 3 armed home invaders who tried to attack his home last night.

The homeowner grabbed a weapon after 3 armed men tried to break into the home, and opened fire.

The homeowner was shot by one of the suspects, but he managed to shoot all 3 suspects. One of the shot suspects died at the scene and the other 2 are being detained by police as they try to figure out exactly what happened.

Residents say there were children in the home at the time of the attempted home invasion. There may have been a children’s slumber party going on at the time of the attack.

Editor’s note: We are thankful that the homeowner was fast acting and armed or we could be talking about a mass murder of children at a slumber party today.

What does this have to do with reasonable gun regulation :confused:
 
... and the NRA's answer to protecting children in schools?

You would think that America's most infamous gun rights group would back the latest calls for allowing teachers to carry a concealed weapon.

Not the NRA. No, what they suggest is government-trained, government-licensed, government-armed and government-paid security. Fiscal conservatives, you do understand this type of response grows the size & scope of govt, which you claim you despise every election cycle? NRA = Big Government

More totalitarianism on display!

Is this pro-liberty? Absolutely NOT. For one, it would cost taxpayers even more money for an education system that is flawed at every level. Second, they want teachers to remain restricted from protecting themselves, let alone the children.

Seems as though, the NRA & Barbara Boxer have a lot in common, compromise shouldn't be too far away


When "compromise" is a bad thing, you know you're an extremist and beyond reason.
The schools are already a part of "Big Government" so how is this expanding anything? It would be a good way to employ many of these unemployed veterans, who are already trained.
Speaking of beyond reason, arming teachers is beyond reason. So what happens when a child, from K-12, gets their hands on a teacher's gun? That's just the price to pay, huh? Unless it's your kid that gets hurt.

:lol:


A falling-out among gun extremists


:hmm:

:lol::lol::lol:
 
What does this have to do with reasonable gun regulation :confused:
Who defines reasonable?

Assuming this story isn't more complicated than what's above, like the homeowner wasn't into something shady. I would like to know the details of the story Lamarr quoted. Was it a single homeowner with a handgun going up against three intruders with handguns? If so, he was outgunned and luckily the intruders weren't more proficient at shooting.

Is it reasonable to say he shouldn't have to be lucky, and he should have access to a handgun or an AR-15, whichever his judgement deems appropriate to use?

Responsible and law-abiding people are the only people you'll be limiting with your "reasonable gun regulation." Responsible and law-abiding people shouldn't have to face an arbitrary limitation on how they defend themselves.
 
Who defines reasonable?

Assuming this story isn't more complicated than what's above, like the homeowner wasn't into something shady. I would like to know the details of the story Lamarr quoted. Was it a single homeowner with a handgun going up against three intruders with handguns? If so, he was outgunned and luckily the intruders weren't more proficient at shooting.

Is it reasonable to say he shouldn't have to be lucky, and he should have access to a handgun or an AR-15, whichever his judgement deems appropriate to use?

Responsible and law-abiding people are the only people you'll be limiting with your "reasonable gun regulation." Responsible and law-abiding people shouldn't have to face an arbitrary limitation on how they defend themselves.

Then "reasonable and law abiding" people should stop selling, giving, losing their guns to criminals. You don't hear a lot of stories of gun shops being robbed or gun factories being broken into so where are these guns coming from that criminals and the insane keep getting?
 
Isn't it already illegal to sell a gun to a known felon, or provide a gun to be later used in a criminal act? If someone is doing that then they aren't law-abiding, so stop lumping the average gun owner with people who enable criminal activity.

Enforce those laws then we can talk about a new limitation.

And losing your gun to criminals, I don't even know what that means. People are already accountable for their guns. Like I said previously, Illinois requires you to certify the state of your weapon every year or two. I'm sure other states do something similar.

In general, people already face charges if a gun registered to them is used in a crime and they never reported it stolen or missing. Maybe everyone should be allowed to carry their legal gun since you want them to face penalties if they leave it at home and it's randomly stolen.

You don't hear a lot of stories of gun shops being robbed or gun factories being broken into so where are these guns coming from that criminals and the insane keep getting?
I don't know, but thoughtone told me it was gun show loopholes.

So tighten that up, which I already said I agree with, and stop looking to limit everyone else.

Address the people causing the problem. Don't come up with solutions that only affect the behavior of people who aren't hurting anyone.
 
Speaking of beyond reason, arming teachers is beyond reason. So what happens when a child, from K-12, gets their hands on a teacher's gun? That's just the price to pay, huh? Unless it's your kid that gets hurt.

So law-abiding teachers should not have the right to defend themselves?

Let me take that question back;

At what point would you support a teacher defending him / herself whose life is in danger?
 
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