If It's a Blockbuster, the Star Better Be White (or Will Smith)

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Quick: name a horror movie where one of the good guys is black. Well, hell, that's easy. One of the ship's crew in Alien was black, and some of the soldiers in Aliens. Danny Glover was the cop in Saw, Carl Weathers was one of the squad in Predator. Lawrence Fishburne in Predators. Hell, there are lots of them. Now count how many of them survived to the end.
Pointing out that black characters die in movies isn't even clever anymore -- it's the kind of obvious, trite joke that bad movies make about other bad movies. But, inexplicably, it keeps happening. In the original Terminator, every black character shown on screen dies. In Transformers, the "black" robot who speaks in inner city slang dies.

There are some exceptions. You can bet that he won't die if he's played by a superstar like Will Smith or Eddie Murphy, who, not coincidentally, are among the very few black top-grossing actors at the box office. Otherwise, the black guy is there to get killed.

So What's the Deal? Even in the 21st century, with a black president and posters of black athletes adorning bedroom walls all across the world, white audiences still prefer to watch white characters.
It would be easy to argue that the box office numbers are skewed because, say, Fellowship of the Ring was simply a better movie than Big Momma's House. But you can get the same results from focus groups with everything else being equal. In this 2011 study, white undergraduates were given the synopses of 12 made-up romantic comedies. Along with the summaries, they got cast pictures and fake IMDB pages, which were manipulated so that each movie had six versions of the cast; an all-white cast, an all-black cast and four different versions in between.

Same plot, same characters, same everything -- just different cast members. And unfortunately, the whiter the cast, the higher the likelihood of the students wanting to see the movie. So how does this play out in real movies? Black characters end up in supporting roles, instead of being well-developed characters. They're just there so we can "judge the other (white) characters by how they treat them." In other words, we certainly don't root for racist characters, and we'll boo racist stereotypes. But our open-mindedness usually stops at the point of actually paying to see a black leading man. Other than Will Smith.
Look at that list of the top-grossing actors again. Other than Murphy and Smith, the only names in the top 50 are Chris Rock, Billy Dee Williams (because of Star Wars) and Morgan Freeman. How many of them were the stars of their big movies? For Morgan Freeman, in his top 10 most successful films he was the lead in only one (Driving Miss Daisy -- a movie about race relations). Was Chris Rock the lead in any of his top 20 biggest movies?

What sets Will Smith apart is that he's one of very few actors who can get roles that weren't specifically written to be African-American. If the role is an action hero who could be any race at all, Hollywood usually interprets that as "a white guy, or Will Smith." And that's only after Smith became a superstar -- in 1996 he was a long shot for getting cast in Independence Day. In fact, director Roland Emmerich had to fight to get Smith at all. The studio wanted to cast a white guy.
And as that essayist has pointed out, none of our favorite black actors are spring chickens. They're getting old, and they haven't been replaced. And even when black actors are successful, like more-successful-than-any-other-entertainer-in-the-world-successful, white audiences are pretty oblivious. How many white people could recognize Tyler Perry in a crowd? Exactly.

When we see Martin Lawrence or Chris Rock or Ice Cube in a leading role, we automatically assume that, like a Tyler Perry movie, it's for a "niche" or "urban" market.*


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There are some exceptions. You can bet that he won't die if he's played by a superstar like Will Smith or Eddie Murphy, who, not coincidentally, are among the very few black top-grossing actors at the box office. Otherwise, the black guy is there to get killed.

will died in I Am Legend(theatrical ending)..
 
Most smart producers know it ads just a lil edge to have a high powered actor like Smith or Denzel star in a other wise just solid movie production.

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So what, people can watch whatever makes them happy or comfortable. Black people prefer movies with black characters, Asians prefer movies with Asians, Latinos prefer movies with Latinos. It's just how it is, people prefer to watch people they can identify with. Or maybe black characters just get on their nerves.

You're forgetting that women and non-white audiences will watch movies about white men, because they're so used to those being the only movies available. A woman or person of color can either watch movies about white men or can boycott movies for years at a time while they wait for positive female or non-white leads. Most people choose the first option, and while they may prefer movies about people who look like them, they'll still accept movies about white guys. But since white men are used to watching movies about other white men, they might not go see a movie about a woman or a person of color, especially not if there's a similar movie starring a white guy playing at the same time.

 
this aint news we been know the white man wants to so see the black men die :hmm:

Its not just about that..

Its about conditioning..We ALL have been conditioned thru white hegemony to accept whiteness as the standard. And by ALL I mean everyone who is NOT white..the other 85% of the population of the planet. We ALL have been conditioned.

I highlighted two comments and the first comment is the usual explanation for why nonwhite cast films aren't accepted by other people..the reason? Its a TRIBAL thing or a CULTURAL thing. If a movie doesn't have a cast that reflects you then you really don't care to see it. Fine..I'll buy that..that makes sense to me. BUT if thats true then how do you explain white films that do well across the board not just in this country and in other countries as well?

Why in Japan does the top BO draws look like this?

1 The Amazing Spider-Man
2 Snow White and the Huntsman
3 Rinjô Toei
4 Hotaru no Hikari
5 Soreike!
6 Man on a Ledge
7 Guskô Budori no Denki
8 Terumae romae
9 MIB 3
10 LOVE: Masao kun ga iku!

Or in Malaysia

1 The Amazing Spider-Man
2 Ice Age: Continental Drift
3 Brave
4 Che sau
5 Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
6 Hua Pi 2 (Painted Skin 2)
7 Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted
8 Bol Bachchan
9 Prometheus
10 Snow White and the Huntsman

you have to go 2 or 3 films down the line before you even get to a NATIVE film.

this is just an example of two countries that are NOT majority white in any way..yet white cast films not only do well but dominate their BO draw. What happened to the Tribal/Cultural explanation about how people DON'T see films where the cast doesn't reflect them. There are no Japanese or Malaysian people in ANY of those foriegn films in the LEAST...so why the fuck should those people care about those film??

CONDITIONING..if its all white, its all right.

Thats why I hate and don't accept the excuse of "I can't relate..." its just code for: THE PEOPLE ON THE SCREEN ARE (INSERT NON WHITE ETHNIC GROUP HERE) AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT. And thats a racist decision. You made a choice not to see a film based solely on the racial make up of the cast not the genre or the quality of the film itself. And we ALL (blacks included) are guilty of this.

But the conditioning of whiteness usually overrides that very racist decision when it comes to white cast films.
I would NOT see an all asian or latino cast comedy and the lame excuse is I can't "relate"..yet I've seen countless all white cast comedies but how could I relate to that??

CONDITIONING..if its all white, its all right.

The question is HOW DO WE AS BLACK FOLK ASSERT OURSELVES IN THE VISUAL ARTS (I say visual because black MUSIC is much better accepted then black visual art) so that black films can enjoy the same level of success across the board?
 
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Geechiedan you must work in the film industry. Your film posts are 110% better than your sports post. :lol: Good thread.
 
I figured out the formula years ago. If there's one black guy in an action or sci-fi flick, the vast majority of the time he's gonna die.

If there's two black guys in an action or sci-fi flick one lives, one dies.

If a new black character gets introduced on a TV show, more often than not a pre-existing black character is on the way out.
 
I figured out the formula years ago. If there's one black guy in an action or sci-fi flick, the vast majority of the time he's gonna die.

If there's two black guys in an action or sci-fi flick one lives, one dies.

If a new black character gets introduced on a TV show, more often than not a pre-existing black character is on the way out.


The only one actor I can think of IS Danny Glover, the star and made It all the way through predator 2.
 
remember that small controversy involving Think Like A Man's international distribution?

REALITY CHECK: “Think Like A Man” NOT Banned In France

May 22, 2012
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Has the movie “Think Like A Man” been banned in France, as many American websites are reporting?

According to sources at Sony Pictures U.S., the answer is “Non!”

“The movie was never planned for release in France,” said an executive inside Sony’s publicity department, who asked that her name be withheld.

In other words, you can’t “ban” or “cancel” something that was never slated for release in the first place.

Which is not to say that “Think Like A Man” hasn’t fallen prey to the traditionally low expectations and racist assumptions of movie marketers that keep Black American films from overseas markets — namely that Black movies don’t “play” or “translate” overseas.

In the last two days, a number of American websites including BET, The Root, TheYBF, GlobalGrind, TheGrio, and our own HelloBeautiful have picked up the story — namely that the successful Steve Harvey-inspired movie was nixed by French officials for lacking “diversity” (meaning: “Too Black”). The narrative seems to have originated with blogger Fabienne Flessel on Global Voices; who got the word from French blog PeopleBoKay; who in turn credits this Facebook page as a source for the information.

In an e-mail to NewsOne, Flessel said that she had “no official word” of any ban or cancellation, but that her post was “a relay of what the French-Caribbean blogosphere has been buzzing about,” based on “only the bloggers’ opinions and experiences; some of them saying that they saw ‘Soon in your theater’ posters and received the usual [responses of] ‘We don’t [know] when,’ or ‘Eventually, it seems unlikely.’

“As for this post spreading over the American web,” Flessel continued, “it seems that most websites insisted on the word ‘cancellation’ used by a blogger, instead of focusing on the question of the frustration and unfairness felt by French bloggers from African-descent… of not being able to go to the movies to watch a movie with an African-American based cast.”

According to BoxOfficeMojo.com, the only international territory in which “Think Like A Man” has been released is South Africa.

The Sony rep added: “Given the success of ’Think Like a Man’ in the U.S., France and other international territories are being considered for release.”

I guess we’ll see.

http://newsone.com/2016880/reality-check-think-like-a-man-not-banned-in-france/

THINK LIKE A MAN

FOREIGN TOTAL
East Africa
Ghana
Nigeria
South Africa (Entire Region)
United Kingdom

Meanwhile Crazy, Stupid, Love another romantic comedy thats a contemporary to TLAM has a distribution deal that looks like this:

CRAZY, STUPID, LOVE

FOREIGN TOTAL
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
Bulgaria
Chile
Colombia
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
East Africa
Ecuador
Egypt
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
Israel
Italy
Lebanon
Lithuania
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Africa (Entire Region)
Spain
Sweden
Turkey
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
Uruguay
Venezuela

anyone notice the difference...:rolleyes:

The all white movie is put into theaters all over the world..regardless of color or enthicity..from white to yellow to brown to black EVERYONE WANTS TO (HAS TO) SEE THE WHITE MOVIE..

The black movie is seen in only the black countries and the UK which has an increasing and vocal black minority. Thats it.

WHITE CONDITIONING.
 
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Danny Glover main character in Predators 2 survived.

LL Cool J survived in Deep Blue Sea and Halloween.

Boris Khudjo survived one of them resident evil joints.

Thats all I can think of for now.
 
remember that small controversy involving Think Like A Man's international distribution?


anyone notice the difference...:rolleyes:

The all white movie is put into theaters all over the world..regardless of color or enthicity..from white to yellow to brown to black EVERYONE WANTS TO (HAS TO) SEE THE WHITE MOVIE..

The black movie is seen in only the black countries and the UK which has an increasing and vocal black minority. Thats it.

WHITE CONDITIONING.



The difference is that we keep trying to be successful "their" way.


we have to create other avenues, other ways of doing the same thing.


What you keep doing is demonstrating what we already know.


We need to become solution driven and instead of complaining, we should be planning.

Whites are a minority in the world.


Understand that.


The world sees the fuckery but we black people keep being invisible.

No one is keeping us back but us and our unwillingness to think beyond the existing ways of doing things.

I ask you a simple question in the other thread and your answer went back to the same paradigm.


Shit gets me fucking angry

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The difference is that we keep trying to be successful "their" way.


we have to create other avenues, other ways of doing the same thing.


What you keep doing is demonstrating what we already know.


We need to become solution driven and instead of complaining, we should be planning.

Whites are a minority in the world.


Understand that.


The world sees the fuckery but we black people keep being invisible.

No one is keeping us back but us and our unwillingness to think beyond the existing ways of doing things.

I ask you a simple question in the other thread and your answer went back to the same paradigm.


Shit gets me fucking angry

:angry::angry::angry:
Tha key is Africa.When Africa is built up(meaning all tha industries that Africa is relying on tha white man to help them with) and Blacks start doing business exclusively with each other what Europeans countries do and say will be irrelevant.African countries don't need to be in a recession just because European countries can't manage their financial affairs.If African countries only traded mainly with each other what happens in Europe and other countries around tha world would be of no concern to Africa.

Africans pay Europeans to tell em how much oil they have under their land like Europeans will give a real number while at tha same time are tha ones responsible for drilling and sucking that oil out tha ground.They tell you 12 million barrels while tha real number is way higher than that and they rob you blind.If their are no trained African expertise in charge of such an operation,how do you trust tha same people who have a history of being dishonest???
All these buses and trains are made in europe and shipped here and than Europeans are still tha ones in charge of managing them
Its high time we start being tha innovators.Every single politician on tha continent should be executed.They'll do more holding back than helping as is tha case right now.
 
Danny Glover main character in Predators 2 survived.

LL Cool J survived in Deep Blue Sea and Halloween.

Boris Khudjo survived one of them resident evil joints.

Thats all I can think of for now.

if you can count it..then its not a lot:hmm: and so far you don't have enough to fill one hand..:rolleyes:
 
The difference is that we keep trying to be successful "their" way.


we have to create other avenues, other ways of doing the same thing.


What you keep doing is demonstrating what we already know.


We need to become solution driven and instead of complaining, we should be planning.

Whites are a minority in the world.


Understand that.


The world sees the fuckery but we black people keep being invisible.

No one is keeping us back but us and our unwillingness to think beyond the existing ways of doing things.

What I keep talking about is something we..all blacks and all people of color either don't know or don't accept and thats how we've been conditioned to accept whiteness as a standard so much that its so ingrained that it makes it difficult to organize and work in a way to make things happen for us.

No matter how many times I've posted evidence to the contrary with footnotes and bibliography to boot there are STILL black people who BELIEVE that a black films failure is due to LACK OF BLACK SUPPORT! And it doesn't stop at that...

Why is it so easy for white countries to destabilize black, brown and yellow countries yet none of those countries can destabilize a white one?

You can't do that without help from the inside and that inside help has to think and believe in a certain way.. think about that.

Imagine if the Matrix was true and only you knew it...how can you tell someone they need to fight against this thing when they don't fully understand or accept the reality theyre living in?

Youre right whites are a minority in the world but so are blacks..if Blacks are going to make a way in this world we need to work with others who are in the same boat and I mean brown people and yellow people and fucking plaid people if we can find them. And they need to work with us. Blacks need to undertsand that whites won't support black films so we NEED to offset that by getting latino support and asian support and indian (dot and feathers) and we NEED to support their work. It can't be done alone.

All these great things you want to do are for the most part collaborative efforts...meaning everyone on your side has to be working toward the same goal with the same understanding. That understanding includes realizing why theres a need to think outside the box and what the box IS.

Why is it we have all these successful black people in entertainment yet NO BLACK GATEKEEPERS the people who sign the checks and green light shit and say what gets shown where??

How can we get people to work in a system outside of the establishment (white people) when we've been conditioned to believe that the establishment is the only way things work?

We have to get people to understand just how deep the problem goes before we start to fix it or find ways around it.
 
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Not saying you don't have point, because the reason this got made - is because of the Snipes himself! I thought we were on to something when this made bank - and the female was black too. I thought this was the start of something.......
 
I've read this article before and Ironically was going to post it based on that Black Panther thread. This is a excerpt from the same article that really stuck with me.

Think for a minute about the last time you saw a black guy with a white woman in a mainstream movie. OK, now take away every single movie where they're using that relationship to preach to us about racism. So that knocks out Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Jungle Fever, Save the Last Dance, Far From Heaven and any incarnation of Othello.

In other words, try to think of movies where the relationship is just treated as a normal, everyday thing (keep in mind, in real life one in seven new American marriages are between members of different races). Mia and Marsellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction? Actually, that couple never appears on screen together. We'll give you two: Rachel Getting Married and Love Actually.

Now, think about the last time you saw a white guy get it on with a black lady (and again, where race wasn't a major theme of the movie). The list is surprisingly long: The Bodyguard, Die Another Day, The Score, Boiler Room, Mission Impossible II, Austin Powers in Goldmember, Avatar (kinda), The Princess and the Frog, Star Trek the movie, Star Trek the TV show and just about every movie Halle Berry's ever been in.
So What's the Deal?

It's not just our imagination. The "Audiences Don't Want to See Black Men Taking Our White Women" thing is so ingrained that Will Smith claims that Cameron Diaz lost the lead role opposite him in the movie Hitch because producers were worried about "the nation's problem of seeing a black man and a white woman getting intimate." So, Cuban-American Eva Mendes was cast instead. Hollywood has apparently decided that Mendes is a nice compromise to the black man/white woman problem -- she gets those roles again and again and again.

This one goes allll the way back to 1915's Birth of a Nation. Today, it's a punchline about how racist everyone used to be, but it was the first movie shown in the White House screening room to then President Woodrow Wilson. Up until the 1960s, it was widely regarded as the greatest American movie. And the second half of the movie is essentially a slasher flick in which "renegade slaves" (white guys in black face) play the role of Jason Voorhees, and pretty white girls play the role of ... well, the pretty white girls in slasher movies. It even has the standard "TURN AROUND HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU!" slasher movie shot as she's stalked by the monster ...


And the part where she throws herself off of a cliff to avoid being raped by a black man ...

D.W. Griffith's movie was a hit because he knew how to strike a chord of terror with white audiences. In today's era of political correctness, it seems pretty telling that Hollywood works so hard to avoid even accidentally touching that same chord.

Think we're making it up? Then how do you explain The Pelican Brief? In the book, the guy and the girl do it, because he's a suave guy saving a damsel in distress and because that's what happens in every single work of fiction ever. In the movie, starring Denzel Washington and Julia Roberts at their most doable, they hugged. They were alone for the night in a cabin, and they hugged!

This may deserve a thread of its own.
 
I've read this article before and Ironically was going to post it based on that Black Panther thread. This is a excerpt from the same article that really stuck with me.



This may deserve a thread of its own.

White Conditioning Rule # 4: The white man can and will fuck any woman he pleases. Non white men can only fuck their own women.

again you can find a few exceptions to the rule but if you can actually count them off..then they PROVE the rule.
 
The question is HOW DO WE AS BLACK FOLK ASSERT OURSELVES IN THE VISUAL ARTS (I say visual because black MUSIC is much better accepted then black visual art) so that black films can enjoy the same level of success across the board?

I've been wondering myself because before I graduated from high school(14 years ago),they was already getting rid of the Arts in schools.....:smh::smh::smh:
 
I've read this article before and Ironically was going to post it based on that Black Panther thread. This is a excerpt from the same article that really stuck with me.



This may deserve a thread of its own.

Think we're making it up? Then how do you explain The Pelican Brief? In the book, the guy and the girl do it, because he's a suave guy saving a damsel in distress and because that's what happens in every single work of fiction ever. In the movie, starring Denzel Washington and Julia Roberts at their most doable, they hugged. They were alone for the night in a cabin, and they hugged!

This is so true...that Pelican Brief is so blatantly racist with them not having sex that its ridiculous.
 
This is so true...that Pelican Brief is so blatantly racist with them not having sex that its ridiculous.
I saw a couple of interviews on it and Denzel was actually the reluctant one here..he was afraid of alienating his black female fanbase at the time.
 
Just incase it wasn't realized.. Will Smith started overbrook entertainment. The same productions company behind a majority of his films.. Im sure this is another reason why he gets the roles he does.
 
Just incase it wasn't realized.. Will Smith started overbrook entertainment. The same productions company behind a majority of his films.. Im sure this is another reason why he gets the roles he does.

he has a production company because he's a proven hitmaker...not the other way around..

your own production company comes in the "Superstar Kit"

the Kit includes:

*1 Multi-picture deal with a major studio
* No less than 20 million a picture
* Backend and merchandising revenue
* 1 boutique production company
* various assistants or your friends hired as entourage
* High powered lawyers and spin doctors for Divorce, DUI and Drug arrests..ex: anytime a star has a drug OD or has a nervous breakdown its reported theyre in the hospital for "exhaustion".:rolleyes:
 
Will Smith career would not be the same without Independents Day. To be the main character in a film like that was the Apollo lift off.
 
Will Smith career would not be the same without Independents Day. To be the main character in a film like that was the Apollo lift off.

but he wasn't the main character..he just stole scenes on the film.

the TRUE main character in the film was the big ass ship...thats all you saw in the initial posters when it came out:

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NOW when you see the DVD re-releases it features Smith prominently but thats just to capitalize on his popularity NOW...back then will smith was just one of many b-actors in that flick.

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yeah your right... He wasnt a hollywood name until then ID4.. well at least in film.. he had freshprince thats about it. As for enemy of the state, Tony Scott directed that and in a interview a while back Scott mention he enjoyed putting black actors in lead rows, it gives a film a particular punch. And as for men in black, I think will smith said he got the roll because chris O'donnell and some other actor had turned it down. And that the directors wife was a big fan of Fresh prince. He started his own production company cause his passion is to make movies and he doesn't want to wait on hollywood to give him a chance. After numerous turn downs he to control of his on path. Not really being a big hollywood name but being smart with his money and not taking no for an answer.
 
Why is it so easy for white countries to destabilize black, brown and yellow countries yet none of those countries can destabilize a white one?

You can't do that without help from the inside and that inside help has to think and believe in a certain way.. think about that.

Quote of the week.
 
Danny Glover main character in Predators 2 survived.

LL Cool J survived in Deep Blue Sea and Halloween.

Boris Khudjo survived one of them resident evil joints.

Thats all I can think of for now.

Ice Cube in Anaconda and that Mars garbage.

Danny Glover in Predator 2

Any more?
 
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