c/s Its like Mania was simply the set up for Raw (minus the HHH/Undertaker match...that was classic)
THE WRESTLING THREAD: BROCK LESNAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!
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c/s Its like Mania was simply the set up for Raw (minus the HHH/Undertaker match...that was classic)
c/s Its like Mania was simply the set up for Raw (minus the HHH/Undertaker match...that was classic)
Daniel Bryan's Big Off Air Pop
http://www.twitvid.com/S0RPE
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Show's over. Cena's dead in the ring. Crowd chanting Yes! Yes! Yes! Merciless.
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...aaand now it's "f**k you Cena". Seriously.
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Dark match: Orton-Big Show-Sheamus vs Kane-Cody Rhodes-Daniel Bryan.
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Sheamus is the most over heel. Bryan is the most over face. By a mile.
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Bryan did the kick-to-kneeling-Sheamus thing. Huge "Yes!" on every kick. Then Sheamus does the forearm barrage on Bryan. "No!" on every hit.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
When Bryan's in, crowd chants "Yes!" to every move. When he's not, crowd chants "We want Bryan!" Bryan's on the apron cracking up now.
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Sheamus pins Bryan after a Brogue Kick. If I die in this riot, it was nice knowing you.
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No wonder they had to pour out my water bottle into a plastic cup. #BryanOrRiot
http://www.twitvid.com/S0RPE
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
Show's over. Cena's dead in the ring. Crowd chanting Yes! Yes! Yes! Merciless.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
...aaand now it's "f**k you Cena". Seriously.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
Dark match: Orton-Big Show-Sheamus vs Kane-Cody Rhodes-Daniel Bryan.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
Sheamus is the most over heel. Bryan is the most over face. By a mile.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
Bryan did the kick-to-kneeling-Sheamus thing. Huge "Yes!" on every kick. Then Sheamus does the forearm barrage on Bryan. "No!" on every hit.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
When Bryan's in, crowd chants "Yes!" to every move. When he's not, crowd chants "We want Bryan!" Bryan's on the apron cracking up now.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
Sheamus pins Bryan after a Brogue Kick. If I die in this riot, it was nice knowing you.
David Shoemaker @AKATheMaskedMan
No wonder they had to pour out my water bottle into a plastic cup. #BryanOrRiot
lesnar still got that mma look. i remember him as the old brock, the machine. but ill be damn if he didnt son thee hell out of cena. damn cena i cant even hate u anymore, you got ya ass whupped two nights in a row and took that shit. respect you ole fruity pebbles ass nigga
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best raw in years. the crowd was great
WWE looking in good shape if they make this current roster work
could hurt the young guys but its good for the biz overall. Bringing in the older fans might make raw more edgy you see they didn't censor the holy shit chants..
best raw in years. the crowd was greatWWE looking in good shape if they make this current roster work
could hurt the young guys but its good for the biz overall. Bringing in the older fans might make raw more edgy you see they didn't censor the holy shit chants..
Yeah he got my respect last night..... about 10 mins in when he saw rock was getting tired and I seen him telling rock to catch his breath while he had him in a head lock even rolling out the ring so rock could get a second wind
. … He could of tried to be an ass about it but he took the high road
Cats walkin in off the street whoopin Cena's ass
Who's next after Lesnar? Goldberg 
Who's next after Lesnar? Goldberg
that would be the shit every week a legend comes out and beat cenas ass
Anyone think they'll mention the history between Lesnar and Cena?
Lesnar backbut for how many dates?
http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/232246/Details-On-Brock-Lesnar%5C%5Cs-New-WWE-Deal-&-How-Often-He-Will-Appear.htm
bryan's dark match pop.
Brock's deal
Multiple sources report that Brock Lesnar has signed a one-year deal with WWE that will see him work through WrestleMania 29 in New Jersey next year.
Lesnar has signed on for a minimum of two appearances per month over the next year plus additional appearances during the build to WrestleMania 29. The belief is that Lesnar will make around 30-35 appearances over the next year but WWE likely has the ability to negotiate additional appearances, if he's willing to make them.
As seen on RAW, The Rock teased a run with the WWE Title. Speculation is that Lesnar will eventually challenge The Rock for the WWE Title at WrestleMania 29.
http://www.WrestlingInc.com/wi/news/...#ixzz1qxLQjBA3
Brock's deal
Multiple sources report that Brock Lesnar has signed a one-year deal with WWE that will see him work through WrestleMania 29 in New Jersey next year.
Lesnar has signed on for a minimum of two appearances per month over the next year plus additional appearances during the build to WrestleMania 29. The belief is that Lesnar will make around 30-35 appearances over the next year but WWE likely has the ability to negotiate additional appearances, if he's willing to make them.
As seen on RAW, The Rock teased a run with the WWE Title. Speculation is that Lesnar will eventually challenge The Rock for the WWE Title at WrestleMania 29.
http://www.WrestlingInc.com/wi/news/...#ixzz1qxLQjBA3
Damn WWE needs to make the shirts asap..... Full dark match
If he had been an ass about it he would've caught hell from everyone in the back. Rock got winded early but the longer the match went the more he got back into wrestling form, this goes to show you can train all you want but nothing beats an actual match. Also why would Cena extend a handshake to Lesnar?
Brock came out and was warming up... dude started getting his engine running before he came down the aisle... even his grill looked like he was gonna take someone's lunch money... I wondered why in the blue hell Cena thought he could extend a hand to him... not a damn thing looked hospitable about it...
and why were they chanting daniel bryan when cena was talking?
and why were they chanting daniel bryan when cena was talking?
so wait, no ROCK? I will watch my dvr later this week!
Rock came out at the beginning to set up a title match down the line, most likely Rock vs Punk at SummerSlam
I disagree. Cena really did suck when he faced HHH but even then he could be carried to a good match. Since then he's turned into a pretty decent worker. As far as in ring talent, he and Rock are mirror images and that stood out when they were trying to prove who could put on a submission move the worse: Cena's STF or Rock's Sharpshooter.
But watching it reminded me what I hated about Rock's matches more than anything: his overreliance on punches.
Me neither but the crowd started the "Welcome back!" chant as soon as his mask was off and soundly genuinely surprised, proving again that there is a lot of WWE fans that don't follow or get their info from on-line sources.
Then they have to go begging Rock and Jericho and Brock to come back and keep Taker and HHH around.I was thinking of what they could do next as far as the titles go and I was hoping they would send Alberto after Sheamus and use Christian to wrestle Punk after his feud with Jericho is over (but I would stretch that feud out until Hell in the Cell ppv so a Christian and/or Mark Henry break would be a good thing).
Damn if Daniel Bryan isnt over in Miami. I saw the "Yes!" signs at Mania but it carried over to Raw.
He was good but not that good.
No you don't. These writers would fuck up an attempt at reviving "Attitude". You saw what they did with ECW, didn't you?
Cena's a pro, so I'm surprised. But I was irritated that some of the guys did such a bad job of covering up as they were calling their spots.
Sorry Dave but we couldn't be more far apart on this one, Rock is a much better seller in the ring than Cena which is why his matches were always more enjoyable. Rock punches a lot but i've never read/heard anyone complain about it so i don't see it as a big deal. My problem with him is that damn sharpshooter, back in high school i use to call it an ankle shooter
BTW: Did anyone else see that creepy asian dude in the front row at Mania? He was wearing an orange hat and i don't think he blinked once
Sorry Dave but we couldn't be more far apart on this one, Rock is a much better seller in the ring than Cena which is why his matches were always more enjoyable. Rock punches a lot but i've never read/heard anyone complain about it so i don't see it as a big deal. My problem with him is that damn sharpshooter, back in high school i use to call it an ankle shooter
BTW: Did anyone else see that creepy asian dude in the front row at Mania? He was wearing an orange hat and i don't think he blinked once
Missed the Asian guy but now you got me going back to look for him later.
I don't think Rock is a much better seller than Cena. I can see him as marginally better but not much. He's more agile so he bounces better but that's it really.
A lot of people don't complain because they're used to it and not just from Rock but from that whole generation of guys who never learned how to throw elbows and forearms. I don't care how strong John Cena is (and he's a powerhouse to still do the spot at the end where he catches Rock, rolls through and puts him on his shoulders late in the match) but when a 6'5, 270lbs punches you in the face, you fall the first time. Bad punches have always been one of the worst ways to expose the business. He overrelies on punches like Flair does chops but Flair got old before he got like that.
Cena, who already gets a lot of respect in the lockerroom, just elevated himself even higher by helping Rock out in that match. There have been plenty of guys who would have laid an egg out of spite, mad because they had to do the job.
Just watched Brock's return, can someone tell me why Cena would even think that Brock would want to shake his hand in the first place? Shit like that, that he does and they probably tell him to do, makes him look fucking stupid. Brock had a "I'm going to kill you." look on his face so at least John should be looking just as serious.
Mark Henry wrestled a legit main eventer and didn't do the job. That's all right.
Mark Henry wrestled a legit main eventer and didn't do the job. That's all right.
When have you ever seen Rock get his destroyed in the ring only to rise up perfectly fine like nothing happened? Cena never stays down even after finishers. Do we really want to go into what exposes the business
Taker's Tombstone, Sweet Chin Music(slapping the thigh), Scissor Kick, RKO, The Stroke, People's Elbow, The Worm, Stone Colds kick before the stunner etc etc. The point is Rock has had a ton of great matches because he's a damn good worker, Cena can work when he's put with someone who makes him work other times he's very clumsy. As for Cena being elevated for helping Rock in the match, it really is a sad sign when we reward guys for doing their job. I still remember Cena dogging it at Mania last year so it's not like he hasn't done it before.
You guys have been talking about Cena smiling too much for a month now and it never really bothered me until last night. The entire time Brock was walking down to the ramp, Cena was in the ring smiling his ass off. And then extending a hand .... FOR WHAT!!!! Did he look like a guy that wanted to shake your fucking hand!
I was hype when I watched the clip for the first time, mainly because of the huge pop. However, watching it again, it didn't come off that great. Brock's return was hurt somewhat by the assholes in the crowd chanting "We want Lesnar" minutes before his music hit and Cena smiling like crazy.
I was hype when I watched the clip for the first time, mainly because of the huge pop. However, watching it again, it didn't come off that great. Brock's return was hurt somewhat by the assholes in the crowd chanting "We want Lesnar" minutes before his music hit and Cena smiling like crazy.
Cena didn't dog it last year. He and Miz just sucked.
Some of those finishers are good while other's are horrible (are you really comparing a piledriver to the worm and the People's Elbow?) but bad punches have always been a bad look, not just when Rock does it. I used to cringe watching Lex Luger throw punches. That dude threw them like he had never been a fight before.
Don't hype Rock too much for his in ring talent. He is good but he came up in a time when WWE was full of some of the greatest wrestlers of his generation: Benoit, HHH, Austin, Guerrero, Jericho, Angle. Cena hasn't had nearly the level of comp and when he does, he steps up to the plate. Then add him having a really good match with Bobby Lashley, not a great worker and still very green at the time, and even gave Khali the best match of his career and he SUCKS!
Of course you reward guys for doing their job, that's how you get them to keep doing their job and it makes sure the younger guys see what's expected of them. Cena knew he was going to have to be the workhorse Sunday night and he delivered.
What the fuck was he smiling for? Brock isn't an old friend of his making his comeback and clearly had bad intentions when he hit the ring. I'm not saying he should clinch his fists but damn, at least recognize that some shit could go down. Believe me, HHH, for all his faults, would not be smiling. CM Punk would not be smiling.
At least give me a
Ok. Now that Mania is over, we can get back to some general discussions. I'll go first, *takes a deep breathe*
Can one of you older brothers help me out by explaining why Luger was ever popular enough to share airtime with top guys. He couldn't wrestle for shit, he was boring as all hell on the mic, and most backstage reports says he was a junkie and kind of a asshole.
Why was he EVER popular?
Oh, before it slips my mind again
I have to show some love and respect to CM Punk for taking that suplex bump to the floor. I've seen a lot of wrestlers take it in different ways that don't involve them falling straight back and taking full on (it was really more of a jackhammer than a vertical suplex but that's splitting hairs). That was the hardest, craziest bump I've seen a main event guy take in one of the national companies (please see Sting take that chairshot at Victory Road. Vicious).
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Something else that I need to express before it slips my mind
Did anyone else see how small Brock looks now? I knew, intellectually, that he lost a lot of weight to fight in UFC but he was still so much bigger than most of the UFC heavyweights I couldn't really see it. But standing in there with Cena, he looked kind of (relatively)ordinary.
I have to show some love and respect to CM Punk for taking that suplex bump to the floor. I've seen a lot of wrestlers take it in different ways that don't involve them falling straight back and taking full on (it was really more of a jackhammer than a vertical suplex but that's splitting hairs). That was the hardest, craziest bump I've seen a main event guy take in one of the national companies (please see Sting take that chairshot at Victory Road. Vicious).
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Something else that I need to express before it slips my mind
Did anyone else see how small Brock looks now? I knew, intellectually, that he lost a lot of weight to fight in UFC but he was still so much bigger than most of the UFC heavyweights I couldn't really see it. But standing in there with Cena, he looked kind of (relatively)ordinary.
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I love broad general discussions about "the good ole days" so thanks for this.
He looked great, period. He had a fantastic physique and looked like he could be a great wrestler. Then he had the best guys in the world to help him like Wahoo McDaniels, Barry Windham, and Ric Flair to make him look like he was awesome in Florida.
If Lex debuted today, he would be Chris Masters (who is a good wrestler now but used to suck). But the Grahams and then the Crocketts protected him so you couldn't tell how bad he was. Had he chosen to improve, he could have but he didn't.
As far as backstage, a lot of people say he was an asshole but he brought stuff to wrestling that other guys benefitted from like having an agent negotiate your deal instead of doing it yourself.
We've all seen Taker & Kane give the tombstone when the guys head isn't even close to touching the ground. Are you seriously trying to give me a Khali example? I agree about Lashley but Khali
As for Luger i will never understand what fans ever saw in him
We've all seen Taker & Kane give the tombstone when the guys head isn't even close to touching the ground. Are you seriously trying to give me a Khali example? I agree about Lashley but Khali
Heck yeah I'm giving you Khali. That guy has wrestled all the top guys and has, to date, had one decent match, with John Cena. Even Taker couldn't carry his ass and HHH avoided the shit out of him. It wasn't good but it wasn't the normal Khali shitfest he normally leaves in the ring.
As for Luger i will never understand what fans ever saw in him
You had to be there, d. You're old enough to remember that most tv matches where a star against a scrub style squash matches and that's all Luger did on tv. The same recipe they used for Nikita Koloff (horrible wrestler for a while, turned out pretty good) and the Road Warriors (horrible and stiff as shit). Short squash matches on tv with them working longer matches with great, or at least better, workers on house shows. Plus back then you really had the Apter mags like Pro Wrestling Illustrated and The Wrestler pushing him and talking about how great he was.
Luger would never survived in the wrestling on tv every week in "meaningful" matches era we live in now but for then, he was perfect.
I remember vividly when he came to Crockett and debuted on World Championship Wrestling, I was shook, thinking "Oh my God! It's Lex Luger! Ric's in trouble!" and jumping for joy, JOY!, when he declared he wanted to be a Horseman. If Lex had really taken it seriously, he could have been as great as advertised but he didn't and Sting leapfrogged him.