Manny Shoots Down Marquez Rematch

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NEW YORK — Manny Pacquiao hasn’t ruled out a fourth fight against Juan Manuel Marquez.

Pacquiao didn’t think it was wise, though, to meet Marquez a fourth time June 9, despite that at least some boxing observers believe Marquez did enough to beat Pacquiao in their third fight Nov. 12 in Las Vegas. That’s why Pacquiao approved promoter Bob Arum’s suggestion to fight undefeated WBO junior welterweight champ Timothy Bradley once it became clear that his long-awaited showdown with Floyd Mayweather Jr. wouldn’t materialize.

“There’s a chance to fight [Marquez] again, but not right now,” Pacquiao said. “I don’t think people will watch the same movie [over and over].

“For me, as a boxer, if I don’t care what the fans say, their satisfaction … it’s good to fight Marquez because you don’t get hurt, you know, it’s just many movements, not as much toe-to-toe, exchanging punches. But my concern is the fans. I don’t want to lose the trust of the people in boxing. I don’t want to lose the fans in boxing. That’s my first concern, especially at this time. There’s a lot of sports, everything, and there’s [competition].”

Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer, agreed with Pacquiao’s approach to his Mexican nemesis, who settled for a draw with Pacquiao in their May 2004 featherweight fight and lost a long-debated split decision to him in a March 2008 junior lightweight fight.

“Every time they fight it gets less exciting because we’ve already seen it,” Roach said. “The third fight was nowhere near as good as the first two. And the thing is, I think the fourth one would be the same. I just think it’s like watching a movie four times. How much more do you get out of it?

“Even though it’s a pretty good fight, counter-punchers are not the most exciting guys in the world. But I’ll tell you, [Marquez’s] power in that last fight was the best thing he did, though, so he did make some changes. But he still has that mentality as a counter-puncher, and when he hit Manny with a good shot he wouldn’t go after him, because that’s not in his nature.”

Roach also feels as though Marquez (53-6-1, 39 KOs) squandered an opportunity to upset Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs) in their third fight, which would’ve ruined the Pacquiao-Mayweather megafight.

“I thought Manny had the edge in the fight,” Roach said. “But I really think they blew it. I think they had the chance to win the fight, but [Marquez’s] coach told him after the eighth round, ‘You’re way ahead. Just take it easy.’ I thought that was bad advice by Nacho [Beristain].

“If my guy’s winning by a hundred rounds, I want him to win even bigger. I don’t believe in coasting and so forth. I like Nacho and he’s a good guy and he’s a great coach and he has a great fighter and all that, but they [screwed] up. The fight was there. If he had fought hard in the last four rounds, he could’ve won that fight.”

:hmm:GTFOH.:smh:Neither one of these niccas makes any sense at all. I think whatever Freddie has is contagious.
 
I'll tell you this... I USED to really Dig this Dude, but now, him and his shaky ass manager/trainer can kiss my ass!! I swear, I hope he get the shit beaten out of him! Scared as Big headed fucker!! How the fuck can you come up with this bullshit ass excuse, basically trying to play his 'fans' for fucking idiots!! Joe RockHead ass is afraid of another fight, because Marquez has his number, and he is afraid sooner or later his luck is going to run out....

I am really starting to believe he is the major issue with the PBF fight not happening too!?!?! I feel like a damn fool, defending his martian headed ass up to this point! Fuck Manny and Freddie, with their Cherry Picking asses... :angry:
 
I'll tell you this... I USED to really Dig this Dude, but now, him and his shaky ass manager/trainer can kiss my ass!! I swear, I hope he get the shit beaten out of him! Scared as Big headed fucker!! How the fuck can you come up with this bullshit ass excuse, basically trying to play his 'fans' for fucking idiots!! Joe RockHead ass is afraid of another fight, because Marquez has his number, and he is afraid sooner or later his luck is going to run out....

I am really starting to believe he is the major issue with the PBF fight not happening too!?!?! I feel like a damn fool, defending his martian headed ass up to this point! Fuck Manny and Freddie, with their Cherry Picking asses... :angry:

Word!! Tell'em why you mad sun!!:lol::lol:

But for real though. If he wanted to REALLY give the fans what they want - fight Floyd.
 
Yup.

That's all there is to it.

These guys fought 3 times now and you guys are talking about somebody ducking someone? I suspect it will only be ducking as long as Marquez is on the losing end of the stick and having to wait for a rematch for maybe the 4th or 5th or 6th or 7th fight. These guys could fight 10 times and I'm wondering if you'll would still be saying Pac is ducking Marquez. I sip my grape soda in disgust.
 
Word!! Tell'em why you mad sun!!:lol::lol:

But for real though. If he wanted to REALLY give the fans what they want - fight Floyd.

The nigga wants no parts of either guy. When the 3rd fight ended they were setting up the ducking of Floyd and the only legit reason they could come with is fighting Marquez again, but I knew their bitch tactics and called it for what it really was. They wormed their way out of two great fights for the Bradley bullshit. They rely on the stupidity of fight fans and sadly there are too many that will accept anything.
 
I had to read that underlined part a couple times and I still couldn't tell what the fuck he was talking about. No more Manny interviews without his interpreter.


If he had said he would fight JMM in Nov after Bradley, I wouldn't have a beef but he didn't and because they think the 3rd fight wasn't as good as the first two, they don't want to do it again? Bullshit.
Outside of Floyd, it's proven that fighting JMM is the biggest drawing fight for Pacquiao so there is clearly an appetite for it so just make the fight.
 
I had to read that underlined part a couple times and I still couldn't tell what the fuck he was talking about. No more Manny interviews without his interpreter.


If he had said he would fight JMM in Nov after Bradley, I wouldn't have a beef but he didn't and because they think the 3rd fight wasn't as good as the first two, they don't want to do it again? Bullshit.
Outside of Floyd, it's proven that fighting JMM is the biggest drawing fight for Pacquiao so there is clearly an appetite for it so just make the fight.

Between the lines they are basically saying Pac didn't do as well as in the first two fights.
 
Between the lines they are basically saying Pac didn't do as well as in the first two fights.


Basically. But then, he didn't do too good in the first one after the 2nd round. In fact, he was thoroughly dominated in that one and was saved by the early knockdowns.
Pacquiao vs Marquez sells tickets and ppvs, it would be bad for business and boxing not to have that fight again as a long as people want to see it. Shit, a controversial finish was the best thing that could happen in a rubber match. Not pursuing one looks bad for them.
 
Basically. But then, he didn't do too good in the first one after the 2nd round. In fact, he was thoroughly dominated in that one and was saved by the early knockdowns.
Pacquiao vs Marquez sells tickets and ppvs, it would be bad for business and boxing not to have that fight again as a long as people want to see it. Shit, a controversial finish was the best thing that could happen in a rubber match. Not pursuing one looks bad for them.

Not a single fuck was given in fighting Mosley after Arum said he should retire and looked awful against Manfredo. They waited for years for Marquez to get old and then fought im and got a rude awakening, you can bet they want no parts of Marquez in a 4th fight. Because if the same thing happens all over again, more people will turn on him. They've spent all this time making up a false image of an "unbeatable fighter" - they're not going to risk Manny going into retirement having lost 3 of his last 3(I count his last fight as a loss, the way Floyd has a loss on his resume, at least to me:D).

Later, I'll tell you guys why I think Bradley is going to beat Pac.
 
I don't get it WTF is it with you people :hithead: I wish there was a 4th fight and some how SOME WAY manny could knock Marquez to the moon...out the fuckin ring past the ring lighting..like the apollo blast off..to the REAL moon like in fucking cartoons cuz then and ONLY then MAYBE you mofo would stop all the fuckin talk about "wanting to see a 4th fight" BULLSHIT!:angry:
You know how many OTHER fights i'd rather watch? or converse about?Gawd Damnit..Enough Already geez I wish i could line up ALL you
"wanna see a 4th fight" mofo and str8 gat ALL you sonsabish :gun03:
 
Not a single fuck was given in fighting Mosley after Arum said he should retire and looked awful against Manfredo. They waited for years for Marquez to get old and then fought im and got a rude awakening, you can bet they want no parts of Marquez in a 4th fight. Because if the same thing happens all over again, more people will turn on him. They've spent all this time making up a false image of an "unbeatable fighter" - they're not going to risk Manny going into retirement having lost 3 of his last 3(I count his last fight as a loss, the way Floyd has a loss on his resume, at least to me:D).

Later, I'll tell you guys why I think Bradley is going to beat Pac.
Later, I'll tell you guys why I think Bradley is going to beat Pac:popcorn:
 
I don't get it WTF is it with you people :hithead: I wish there was a 4th fight and some how SOME WAY manny could knock Marquez to the moon...out the fuckin ring past the ring lighting..like the apollo blast off..to the REAL moon like in fucking cartoons cuz then and ONLY then MAYBE you mofo would stop all the fuckin talk about "wanting to see a 4th fight" BULLSHIT!:angry:
You know how many OTHER fights i'd rather watch? or converse about?Gawd Damnit..Enough Already geez I wish i could line up ALL you
"wanna see a 4th fight" mofo and str8 gat ALL you sonsabish :gun03:

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I don't get it WTF is it with you people :hithead: I wish there was a 4th fight and some how SOME WAY manny could knock Marquez to the moon...out the fuckin ring past the ring lighting..like the apollo blast off..to the REAL moon like in fucking cartoons cuz then and ONLY then MAYBE you mofo would stop all the fuckin talk about "wanting to see a 4th fight" BULLSHIT!:angry:
You know how many OTHER fights i'd rather watch? or converse about?Gawd Damnit..Enough Already geez I wish i could line up ALL you
"wanna see a 4th fight" mofo and str8 gat ALL you sonsabish :gun03:

I'm sorry as a boxing fan, I like good competitive fights. The match up is a good one for both fighters. It is just a damn shame that Manny has gotten soft with straight forward fighters otherwise he might have advanced enough to be able to make it more competitive. I don't see a down side to them fighting that fight again even if it is the same fight because they are exciting and good fights.



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Later, I'll tell you guys why I think Bradley is going to beat Pac:popcorn:

Please do tell because your last analyst on why the Mosley v Pac fight would be a great fight was accurate and insightful. Fuck outta here. I know Bradley is your boy, but he isn't on that level. If he is even competitive for 4 rounds short of some massive headbutts... I'm calling for Pac's retirement because his body must be falling apart.

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Please do tell because your last analyst on why the Mosley v Pac fight would be a great fight was accurate and insightful. Fuck outta here. I know Bradley is your boy, but he isn't on that level. If he is even competitive for 4 rounds short of some massive headbutts... I'm calling for Pac's retirement because his body must be falling apart.

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He was quoting me Alaska. I think Bradley has an excellent chance to beat Pac.
 
I'm sorry as a boxing fan, I like good competitive fights. The match up is a good one for both fighters. It is just a damn shame that Manny has gotten soft with straight forward fighters otherwise he might have advanced enough to be able to make it more competitive. I don't see a down side to them fighting that fight again even if it is the same fight because they are exciting and good fights.



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I C/S 100% but if there's ANY kind of problem making it happen i'm cool with it because I've seen them fight 3 times already..i'd rather spend my efforts on fights I've YET to see..cuz to me this is just wasted energy with those two camps on that issue of a 4th go at it..if it happens WOW i wanna see it if not then...NEXT is my attitude.
 
Please do tell because your last analyst on why the Mosley v Pac fight would be a great fight was accurate and insightful. Fuck outta here. I know Bradley is your boy, but he isn't on that level. If he is even competitive for 4 rounds short of some massive headbutts... I'm calling for Pac's retirement because his body must be falling apart.

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BRADLEY my boy? :lol: just cuz i may have said a thing here and there in his favor doesn't make him "my boy" hell we both could be wrong about the outcome of his fight with pac..but i'd loose my money then cuz i'm betting the same way YOU would on that fight:lol: IMO i don't see him being a threat at ALL..i feel pac will beat him with ease...but we will see.
 
I C/S 100% but if there's ANY kind of problem making it happen i'm cool with it because I've seen them fight 3 times already..i'd rather spend my efforts on fights I've YET to see..cuz to me this is just wasted energy with those two camps on that issue of a 4th go at it..if it happens WOW i wanna see it if not then...NEXT is my attitude.

So you don't have a problem with Manny blowing off a fight with Mayweather because he was supposedly fighting Marquez again in May. Now he's fighting neither but instead taking on Bradley? But yet to him it's all about the fans. Manny and his camp are indeed full of sewage.
 
So you don't have a problem with Manny blowing off a fight with Mayweather because he was supposedly fighting Marquez again in May. Now he's fighting neither but instead taking on Bradley? But yet to him it's all about the fans. Manny and his camp are indeed full of sewage.
IF it can be PROVEN that he MANNY is in FACT blowing off a fight with Mayweather then YES i would have a problem with that...what i DON'T have a problem with is me NOT seeing a 4th fight between pac and Marquez.
 
IF it can be PROVEN that he MANNY is in FACT blowing off a fight with Mayweather then YES i would have a problem with that...what i DON'T have a problem with is me NOT seeing a 4th fight between pac and Marquez.

So if you do think Pac will run through Bradley than why are you okay with him not fighting Marquez. I don't know what you need to see Manny ducked Mayweather and Marquez, but there is enough info to draw an definitive conclusion.

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The fuck are you smoking

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Styles make fights. Manny is NOT the fighter he used to be, Bradley can, box and brawl on the inside and has a very good chin. Manny hates to fight inside and cuts and bruises easily. Manny can't fight inside or going backwards, we've seen that. Bradley's got good footwork and uses angles well. If Bradley was a straight brawler with no skills then it's a no-brainer but ya'll seem to forget that Braldey is the same guy who used movement and speed to shut out Lamont Peterson. Bradley may not be big but Pac is a very small welter. a 140lb'er fighting at 147 basically, just like Bradley. Bradley has a WAAY better chance than ya'll are giving him. Unless Pac is fighting a guy who's going to let him do what he likes, he ends up looking supremely overrated - which he is. Not picking Bradley just saying he has a much better shot at defeating Pac than people think.
 
IF it can be PROVEN that he MANNY is in FACT blowing off a fight with Mayweather then YES i would have a problem with that...what i DON'T have a problem with is me NOT seeing a 4th fight between pac and Marquez.

Just the fact that he said he couldn't fight Floyd because they were supposedly hammering out the details of a 4th fight with Marquez - that's common knowledge all the articles were posted here and it was in fact Arum who shot down the fight in favor of Marquez - supposedly. Now he's fighting Bradley - it doesn't take a rocket scientist bruh.
 
Hell i think Style wise a fight between Marquez and Alvarez would be the Shitz..YEAH YEAH YEAH the weight this and the weight that..but if there could be a "catch weight" :lol: I'd luv to see it..they are both about the same speed and fireworks are for sure:yes:
 
Styles make fights. Manny is NOT the fighter he used to be, Bradley can, box and brawl on the inside and has a very good chin. Manny hates to fight inside and cuts and bruises easily. Manny can't fight inside or going backwards, we've seen that. Bradley's got good footwork and uses angles well. If Bradley was a straight brawler with no skills then it's a no-brainer but ya'll seem to forget that Braldey is the same guy who used movement and speed to shut out Lamont Peterson. Bradley may not be big but Pac is a very small welter. a 140lb'er fighting at 147 basically, just like Bradley. Bradley has a WAAY better chance than ya'll are giving him. Unless Pac is fighting a guy who's going to let him do what he likes, he ends up looking supremely overrated - which he is. Not picking Bradley just saying he has a much better shot at defeating Pac than people think.
Now that i'm looking at it from your perspective YES i could see how there IS a slite possibility that bradley could pose a movement problem for pac..and even out point him in a boring run..grab fight or a somewhat boxing match.
IMO bradly can't BEAT pacman but has a chance at out boxing him...that is IF he can get through the early and constant onslaught:lol:
 
Not a single fuck was given in fighting Mosley after Arum said he should retire and looked awful against Manfredo. They waited for years for Marquez to get old and then fought im and got a rude awakening, you can bet they want no parts of Marquez in a 4th fight. Because if the same thing happens all over again, more people will turn on him. They've spent all this time making up a false image of an "unbeatable fighter" - they're not going to risk Manny going into retirement having lost 3 of his last 3(I count his last fight as a loss, the way Floyd has a loss on his resume, at least to me:D).

This alone would not have gotten a response from me and then you said this shit right here...

Later, I'll tell you guys why I think Bradley is going to beat Pac.

And got my full fucking attention.

I don't get it WTF is it with you people :hithead: I wish there was a 4th fight and some how SOME WAY manny could knock Marquez to the moon...out the fuckin ring past the ring lighting..like the apollo blast off..to the REAL moon like in fucking cartoons cuz then and ONLY then MAYBE you mofo would stop all the fuckin talk about "wanting to see a 4th fight" BULLSHIT!:angry:
You know how many OTHER fights i'd rather watch? or converse about?Gawd Damnit..Enough Already geez I wish i could line up ALL you
"wanna see a 4th fight" mofo and str8 gat ALL you sonsabish :gun03:


And yet, here you are talking about it. When people talk about topics I don't want to talk about, I skip the thread.

So you don't have a problem with Manny blowing off a fight with Mayweather because he was supposedly fighting Marquez again in May. Now he's fighting neither but instead taking on Bradley? But yet to him it's all about the fans. Manny and his camp are indeed full of sewage.

:yes::yes:

Styles make fights. Manny is NOT the fighter he used to be, Bradley can, box and brawl on the inside and has a very good chin. Manny hates to fight inside and cuts and bruises easily. Manny can't fight inside or going backwards, we've seen that. Bradley's got good footwork and uses angles well. If Bradley was a straight brawler with no skills then it's a no-brainer but ya'll seem to forget that Braldey is the same guy who used movement and speed to shut out Lamont Peterson. Bradley may not be big but Pac is a very small welter. a 140lb'er fighting at 147 basically, just like Bradley. Bradley has a WAAY better chance than ya'll are giving him. Unless Pac is fighting a guy who's going to let him do what he likes, he ends up looking supremely overrated - which he is. Not picking Bradley just saying he has a much better shot at defeating Pac than people think.

Very interesting. Good, sound reasoning that's hard to dismiss.

But I will anyway, fuck Bradley.

If he wins, I'm coming back to delete this post.
 
I'll put it this way, if Bradley had power they wouldn't have taken the fight. Bad style match up. They're relying on him not being able to hurt Pac. But like I always say no one is going to out box Floyd, no one is going to stand and trade with Pac in the center of the ring and come away with their hands raised. Bradley will box and pick his spots to land flurries and then frustrate Pac with movement. When Pac gets too close Bradley will put his head down and start clinching and hitting. At least that's one way it could possibly go. Bradley might end up on his back lookin like the black version of Ricky Hatton.:lol:
 
Styles make fights. Manny is NOT the fighter he used to be, Bradley can, box and brawl on the inside and has a very good chin. Manny hates to fight inside and cuts and bruises easily. Manny can't fight inside or going backwards, we've seen that. Bradley's got good footwork and uses angles well. If Bradley was a straight brawler with no skills then it's a no-brainer but ya'll seem to forget that Braldey is the same guy who used movement and speed to shut out Lamont Peterson. Bradley may not be big but Pac is a very small welter. a 140lb'er fighting at 147 basically, just like Bradley. Bradley has a WAAY better chance than ya'll are giving him. Unless Pac is fighting a guy who's going to let him do what he likes, he ends up looking supremely overrated - which he is. Not picking Bradley just saying he has a much better shot at defeating Pac than people think.

I agree with some of that, but the speed is going to kill him and Bradley is going to get touched by a guy with more power than anyone he has faced. If Shane crumbled, I suspect most people to crumble.

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BRADLEY my boy? :lol: just cuz i may have said a thing here and there in his favor doesn't make him "my boy" hell we both could be wrong about the outcome of his fight with pac..but i'd loose my money then cuz i'm betting the same way YOU would on that fight:lol: IMO i don't see him being a threat at ALL..i feel pac will beat him with ease...but we will see.

I only said that cause you thought Bradley could out work Floyd..smdh

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I agree with some of that, but the speed is going to kill him and Bradley is going to get touched by a guy with more power than anyone he has faced. If Shane crumbled, I suspect most people to crumble.

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I don't know about you but Manny's speed didn't impress me his last couple fights. He looked like any regular fast guy. Shane is a horrible comparison as he was just plain old, he has no legs(which is why he went down so easily) and he was still able to outmaneuver Pacquiao. Pac is fighting a young hungry, skilled boxer for the first time in a while. I think they are making the same mistake they made with Marquez, they think it will be easy. They only serious advantage Manny has over Bradley is power. Lastly, Marquez is really 135lb'er fighting at 147 and Manny didn't even wobble him, Marquez actually looked just as strong as Pac.

Oh and most importantly, Manny looks like he's off the juice.
 
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