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TNA NEWS UPDATES LEADING TO TONIGHT'S IMPACT TAPING
by Mike Johnson @ 4:03 PM on 2/13/2012

The New York Giants' Brandon Jacobs is already backstage at the Impact taping. Scheduled for the taping is the fallout of Sting counting the fall on Jeff Hardy last night, a 10 Knockout Battle Royal to determine Gail Kim's next challenger and Jacobs' schedule appearance opposite Kurt Angle.
Not that this should surprise anyone, but to make it clear, Vince Russo is not at TV.

Interesting.

 

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Oh and best wishes go out to Jesse Sorensen, who got hurt last night.

OFFICIAL TNA UPDATE ON JESSE SORENSEN
by Mike Johnson @ 5:05 PM on 2/13/2012

TNA posted the following statement from President Dixie Carter this afternoon:
""Jesse Sorensen has sustained a C1 vertebrae fracture with spinal cord edema. He is slowly regaining feeling and movement in his arms and legs. He wants to thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. Once we speak to the neurosurgeon, we will pass on more details."



But props to Zema Ion, who didn't freak out when Sorensen went down and stayed in character.

 

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Oh and best wishes go out to Jesse Sorensen, who got hurt last night.

OFFICIAL TNA UPDATE ON JESSE SORENSEN
by Mike Johnson @ 5:05 PM on 2/13/2012

TNA posted the following statement from President Dixie Carter this afternoon:
""Jesse Sorensen has sustained a C1 vertebrae fracture with spinal cord edema. He is slowly regaining feeling and movement in his arms and legs. He wants to thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. Once we speak to the neurosurgeon, we will pass on more details."



But props to Zema Ion, who didn't freak out when Sorensen went down and stayed in character.

I really hope that he gets better and can a normal life whether or not he gets back in the ring.

 

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Thoughts on the debate

Kofi might've just kick started his push again
Miz was funny
Jericho still has it
Truth is still crazy
Ziggler
Punk

 

[theegokiller]

So, they are going to turn Zack Ryder heel, or Cena? Russo must be back on the writing team....

 

[dirtyd]

HHH/Taker/HBK segment was off the charts and i like how they're getting ready to reveal the new Taker Kane is really good at making the crowd groan one moment and then having them go crazy the next

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

So, they are going to turn Zack Ryder heel, or Cena? Russo must be back on the writing team....

probably will turn eve into kane's valet

dude in the audience"ARE YOU HAPPY CENA???"

 

[Simply Sickenin']

HHH/Taker/HBK segment was off the charts and i like how they're getting ready to reveal the new Taker Kane is really good at making the crowd groan one moment and then having them go crazy the next

I like how they're retconning history to explain that Undertaker's hair lost is due to him cutting it off in that promo. ​

 

[Nochturnal]

Just finished Raw Zack Ryder stays losing

 

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Just finished Raw Zack Ryder stays losing

The burial of Zack Ryder is one of the worst things about this Cena-Kane feud. At least when Ryder lost the belt after the initial attack he showed heart and fire that could allow people to take his character more seriously in the ring. And then came the rest of this shit.

 

[dirtyd]

The burial of Zack Ryder is one of the worst things about this Cena-Kane feud. At least when Ryder lost the belt after the initial attack he showed heart and fire that could allow people to take his character more seriously in the ring. And then came the rest of this shit.

Actually Ryder hasn't been buried because now people will want to see him whoop Cenas ass.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Actually Ryder hasn't been buried because now people will want to see him whoop Cenas ass.

Zack's being buried in plain sight. He in a high profile angle but he's the biggest pussy in the whole thing. Much like with Punk and Bryan, they've taken what was working with the character and thrown it away to make him what they want.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

MARK HENRY ENTERING INTERNATIONAL SPORTS HALL OF FAME
by Mike Johnson @ 10:15 AM on 2/14/2012

Former WWE World Heavyweight Champion and 2002 Arnold Classic World's Strongest Man winner Mark Henry will be inducted into the International Sports Hall of Fame on 3/3 in Columbus, Ohio.

Other 2012 inductees will be UFC Hall of Fame Randy Couture, boxer Chuck Wepner (the basis for the Rocky films who once wrestled Andre the Giant at Shea Stadium), Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jack Lalane (who wrestled before becoming a fitness icon) and Cory Everson.

 

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Zack's being buried in plain sight. He in a high profile angle but he's the biggest pussy in the whole thing. Much like with Punk and Bryan, they've taken what was working with the character and thrown it away to make him what they want.

Im sorry but when was Ryder ever considered a bad ass? If you're being buried then you're not in a high profile angle as this could involve any 4 wrestlers, this is setting up for either Cena or Ryder to turn heel and i expect Ryder to cost Cena the match Sunday. Bryan has never recovered from the Nexus angle imo and Punk's shoot style had a low shelf life anyway, you saw last night what happens when he can't shoot on anyone(bestiality & clown shoes). Let's just see how this all plays out before we say he got buried and write him off.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Im sorry but when was Ryder ever considered a bad ass? If you're being buried then you're not in a high profile angle as this could involve any 4 wrestlers, this is setting up for either Cena or Ryder to turn heel and i expect Ryder to cost Cena the match Sunday. Bryan has never recovered from the Nexus angle imo and Punk's shoot style had a low shelf life anyway, you saw last night what happens when he can't shoot on anyone(bestiality & clown shoes). Let's just see how this all plays out before we say he got buried and write him off.

Jericho was in a WM main event and was playing second fiddle to Stephanie McMahon so positioning alone doesn't mean a character isn't being buried. It's not about whether he's considered a badass but he has to have some credibility if they ever want people to take him seriously as even a midcard guy. He's good enough and over enough to not be a joke but playing Gilligan to Cena's Skipper and dominated by Kane doesn't leave him room to grow. You can bury a big guy and rebuild him but for a smaller guy, it's much, much harder.
Where can it go with him? Turn him heel and let him get killed by Cena next?

It wasn't him getting fired that hurt him, it made him the hottest guy in the business. But they brought him back and did nothing with him. He has to have one of the worst build ups to be world champ of anyone I've ever seen. Now they've given him a variation of Punk's Straight Edge gimmick except he's a vegan and reminds us of it every time he gets a mic.

I thought Punk was fine last night. The Johnny Ace stuff was way below par but he was fine after that considering the scenario. The whole thing sucked and was a waste of time. They could have spent less time on Truth (a little goes a long way) and more on having Punk and Jericho spar.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I have no hope for the SD EC match but the Raw one can be good. The best way to go would be to let Kofi eliminate a couple guys and for Jericho to win. For him to lose before Mania would be a huge mistake.

 

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Jericho was in a WM main event and was playing second fiddle to Stephanie McMahon so positioning alone doesn't mean a character isn't being buried. It's not about whether he's considered a badass but he has to have some credibility if they ever want people to take him seriously as even a midcard guy. He's good enough and over enough to not be a joke but playing Gilligan to Cena's Skipper and dominated by Kane doesn't leave him room to grow. You can bury a big guy and rebuild him but for a smaller guy, it's much, much harder.
Where can it go with him? Turn him heel and let him get killed by Cena next?

It wasn't him getting fired that hurt him, it made him the hottest guy in the business. But they brought him back and did nothing with him. He has to have one of the worst build ups to be world champ of anyone I've ever seen. Now they've given him a variation of Punk's Straight Edge gimmick except he's a vegan and reminds us of it every time he gets a mic.

I thought Punk was fine last night. The Johnny Ace stuff was way below par but he was fine after that considering the scenario. The whole thing sucked and was a waste of time. They could have spent less time on Truth (a little goes a long way) and more on having Punk and Jericho spar.

Like i said let's see what they do with him it could be the start of a slow burn.

As i said he never recovered from the Nexus angle, he was the hottest name but they fucked it up(i.e never recovered)

No Punk was horrible all night and if that was Cena in Punks spot saying that stuff it would've been met with groans. He had the DWTS line and that was fine, but i thought Jericho's "Look at me when im talking to you boy" line was great Also HBK with his "You married that chick and know you're one of them" line was classic

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Like i said let's see what they do with him it could be the start of a slow burn.

If this was a company good at building mid card guys, I would wait but this has been horrible and they don't have a track record to get the benefit of the doubt.

As i said he never recovered from the Nexus angle, he was the hottest name but they fucked it up(i.e never recovered)

But he's had other moments that they could have built him up, most recently winning MitB and winning the World title. They choose not to. He can't even get over as a heel because Michael Cole hates him and everyone hates Cole.

No Punk was horrible all night and if that was Cena in Punks spot saying that stuff it would've been met with groans. He had the DWTS line and that was fine, but i thought Jericho's "Look at me when im talking to you boy" line was great Also HBK with his "You married that chick and know you're one of them" line was classic

Wouldn't that be shooting Shawn shooting on HHH? HBK and HHH alway work well together because people understand their relationship and both of them have the leeway to go out and work without having to have someone write shit for them.

Jericho was fine too and worked in real stats in his promo. Punk's joke about JL were lame but he was good at working the crowd with "I can't hear you!" as they chanted his name. Most of the time, they act like they don't hear the fans because they have to remember their scripted lines.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Onto some other stuff

How bad did Show get chewed out for blowing that first RKO? They were having a pretty good match (why not have that match on Smackdown where it might draw some ratings?) and then he fucked up badly.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

TNA PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES THE FATE OF VINCE RUSSO
by Mike Johnson @ 4:20 PM on 2/14/2012

TNA President Dixie Carter just announced the following via her Facebook:

"TNA and Vince Russo have mutually parted ways as of this week. The separation is amicable and professional. We are glad for the opportunity to have worked together and wish each other nothing but good luck and success in the future."

As we noted, Russo was not at the Against All Odds PPV or TV this week, which set off a ton of assumptions but nothing until now had been stated publicly or to the TNA roster.


HOLY SHIT!!!!

In other good news of a more serious note

GOOD NEWS ON JESSE SORENSEN
by Mike Johnson @ 2:10 PM on 2/14/2012

The word going around at the Impact Wrestling tapings is that all the news on Jesse Sorensen's recovery is positive. While he is still in serious condition, doctors are happy with Sorensen continuing to regain feeling and movement in his extremities. The hope is that he will eventually make a full recovery.

 

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Onto some other stuff

How bad did Show get chewed out for blowing that first RKO? They were having a pretty good match (why not have that match on Smackdown where it might draw some ratings?) and then he fucked up badly.

I know Orton showed how big of a pussy he really is, i mean the Show botch was extremely bad and everyone noticed but Kofi's wasn't noticeable at all and he get called STUPID STUPID STUPID I did find it funny how he looked down saw it was show and was like "Alright let's try it again"

Jericho was fine too and worked in real stats in his promo. Punk's joke about JL were lame but he was good at working the crowd with "I can't hear you!" as they chanted his name. Most of the time, they act like they don't hear the fans because they have to remember their scripted lines.

No disrespect but....SO WHAT
Is that what passes these days? That's just like when Foley used to do his cheap pop routine

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

Thank goodness

 

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Like i said let's see what they do with him it could be the start of a slow burn.

Slow burn to what? If he turns it only makes sense for him to turn on Cena and there is no way in hell that they let him get any type of heat at Cena's expense. The last people that they truly let do that were Miz and Wade Barrett and neither of those scenarios ended well for them.

As i said he never recovered from the Nexus angle, he was the hottest name but they fucked it up(i.e never recovered).

This turn for Bryan has been good in that his character has been crafty which has worked for him. As for the vegan stuff is stupid and the crowd isn't buying into in the least. The Straight Edge gimmick is real easy to work with and made even easier in that it started against Jeff Hardy. People could give 2 shits about vegans.The thing that worked best about the Nexus angle with him was the thing that got him fired. The intensity and downright viciousness that he showed by choking out Justin Roberts and then firing off on Cena. If that element was part of his current character he would be alot better off as he's at his best as a promo and as a character when he's intense.

 

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Slow burn to what? If he turns it only makes sense for him to turn on Cena and there is no way in hell that they let him get any type of heat at Cena's expense. The last people that they truly let do that were Miz and Wade Barrett and neither of those scenarios ended well for them.
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This turn for Bryan has been good in that his character has been crafty which has worked for him. As for the vegan stuff is stupid and the crowd isn't buying into in the least. The Straight Edge gimmick is real easy to work with and made even easier in that it started against Jeff Hardy. People could give 2 shits about vegans.The thing that worked best about the Nexus angle with him was the thing that got him fired. The intensity and downright viciousness that he showed by choking out Justin Roberts and then firing off on Cena. If that element was part of his current character he would be alot better off as he's at his best as a promo and as a character when he's intense.

To maybe a more aggressive Ryder instead of the goof that would eventually lose steam, he's basically Santino now and look at where Santino is now

Is it really working for him keep in mind that Smackdown adds crowds noise to make it seem like the heels/faces get reactions. Whenever he shows up on Raw/ppvs you can hear rats piss on cotton so im not sure it's really working. I still state that if he had never been fired he would be a lot better off, but they screwed the pooch when he came back as a face.

 

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To maybe a more aggressive Ryder instead of the goof that would eventually lose steam, he's basically Santino now and look at where Santino is now

Is it really working for him keep in mind that Smackdown adds crowds noise to make it seem like the heels/faces get reactions. Whenever he shows up on Raw/ppvs you can hear rats piss on cotton so im not sure it's really working. I still state that if he had never been fired he would be a lot better off, but they screwed the pooch when he came back as a face.

He's always been better than Santino because unlike Santino he can wrestle which makes him more credible. He could have continued on his path character wise and still been good in the ring. The goofier side of Ryder is what got him over cause he wasn't goofy as a heel on ECW and he was nothing.

All things considered they way they explained his dismissal from Nexus pretty much made it a guarantee that he would come back as a face unless he turned during that Summer Slam match. They screwed that one up by allowing Cena to win.

 

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He's always been better than Santino because unlike Santino he can wrestle which makes him more credible. He could have continued on his path character wise and still been good in the ring. The goofier side of Ryder is what got him over cause he wasn't goofy as a heel on ECW and he was nothing.

Anthony Carelli can actually wrestle but "Santino" is like a joke character on a fighting game. Ryder has always been goofy and they made him a face when they saw how much he was getting over.

 

[DAHITMAN]

BRANDON JACOBS will appear on TNA this Thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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This is an old story but for the ones who don't know, just imagine what would've happened if they got their way

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

It’s worth noting that Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and Shawn Michaels, who long harbored animosity towards each other, crossed paths during WrestleMania weekend. WWE.com published a photo of Johnson and Michaels sharing a laugh shortly after HBK had appeared on stage at WrestleMania XXVII to commemorate his induction into the WWE Hall of Fame. According to a source, their past animosity was actually settled in 2008 when Johnson inducted his father, Rocky Johnson, and grandfather, High Chief Peter Maivia, into the WWE Hall of Fame.

Johnson’s issues with Michaels dated back to when he was a teenager. He long harbored animosity towards Michaels because he felt he was disrespectful to his maternal grandmother (Lia Maivia) at a wrestling show she was coordinating for Polynesian Pacific Pro Wrestling. His disrespect towards her incensed Johnson, and nearly led to an altercation.

Their issues persisted several years later when Johnson was a rookie starting out in WWE. Bret Hart wrote in his 2007 autobiography, Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling, that Michaels and Triple H disliked Johnson “intensely.” Both resented him because he was talented and Hart, a political foe, had taken a shine to him. Many believe they were out to sabotage Johnson so that Hunter would ascend to the top before him, since they were both viewed as the future of the company at the time.

Michaels and Hunter conspired to obstruct Johnson’s push in March 1997, who was the Intercontinental Champion at the time. Michaels suggested to Vince McMahon that Johnson lose the title to Hart on an episode of RAW. Meanwhile, Hunter insisted to Hart that he beat Johnson. Their suggestion would serve two purposes — sabotage Johnson’s push and take Hart out of the world title scene. Hart, however, refused to beat Johnson. Hart felt it wouldn’t build heat for his newly launched heel turn, not to mention that it would undermine Johnson. Instead, Hart insisted on a DQ finish, which infuriated Michaels and Hunter.

By 1999, Johnson had ascended to the top of WWE, going beyond nearly every wrestler, including Hunter. Meanwhile, a back injury had forced Michaels to retire and he was relegated to sporadic appearances. Nonetheless, Michaels attempted to politically undermine Johnson by lobbying to McMahon that he be replaced by Hunter in the main event at WrestleMania XV. His suggestion fell on deaf ears.

Johnson stated years later in a 2005 interview with WWE.com that he never had interest in working with Michaels — when asked if he would have liked to.

It should be noted that they wanted to hold Austin down as well HHH was mad at the wwe but he should've been mad at his boys for fucking up his K.O.T.R push

 

[Nochturnal]

This is an old story but for the ones who don't know, just imagine what would've happened if they got their way



It should be noted that they wanted to hold Austin down as well HHH was mad at the wwe but he should've been mad at his boys for fucking up his K.O.T.R push

Ha, and now the Rock is so far beyond those 2 it's ridiculous...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

This is an old story but for the ones who don't know, just imagine what would've happened if they got their way



It should be noted that they wanted to hold Austin down as well HHH was mad at the wwe but he should've been mad at his boys for fucking up his K.O.T.R push

Completely believable. Rock has turned down several offers to wrestle Michaels at Mania before Michaels retirement.

No disrespect but....SO WHAT
Is that what passes these days? That's just like when Foley used to do his cheap pop routine

The cheap pop routine that's still over and expected and become part of his character? Yeah, that's something.
Just say you don't like Punk and won't give him proper credit for anything. C'mon, bruh, his was the only one out of everyone you gave a It's little things that matter and get people over. Not long drawn out nonsense like Truth ended up doing. But actually acknowledging the crowd is why people still fondly remember Scott Hall and what made Nitro and Raw so hot back in the day.

Anthony Carelli can actually wrestle but "Santino" is like a joke character on a fighting game. Ryder has always been goofy and they made him a face when they saw how much he was getting over.

No he can't. Santino is a comedy act because putting him in a more serious role, which is how he started, would expose him. Ryder is a much better wrestler and performer who got over a throwaway gimmick. He's not a world champion level guy but he could be a good IC/US/tag champ guy for years, like Tito Santana.

Speaking of Santino and what the fuck are they doing

TOP WWE STAR YANKED FROM ELIMINATION CHAMBER PPV
by Mike Johnson @ 11:03 PM on 2/14/2012

Randy Orton has been pulled off the Elimination Chamber PPV this Sunday after sufferingf a concussion during his match with Big Show at last night's Raw, WWE announced this evening.

SPOILER: YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHO RANDY ORTON'S REPLACEMENT SUNDAY IS
by Mike Johnson @ 2:22 AM on 2/15/2012

Santino Marella.
I think the term "card subject to change" is rolling over in its grave

 

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Completely believable. Rock has turned down several offers to wrestle Michaels at Mania before Michaels retirement.



The cheap pop routine that's still over and expected and become part of his character? Yeah, that's something.
Just say you don't like Punk and won't give him proper credit for anything. C'mon, bruh, his was the only one out of everyone you gave a It's little things that matter and get people over. Not long drawn out nonsense like Truth ended up doing. But actually acknowledging the crowd is why people still fondly remember Scott Hall and what made Nitro and Raw so hot back in the day.



No he can't. Santino is a comedy act because putting him in a more serious role, which is how he started, would expose him. Ryder is a much better wrestler and performer who got over a throwaway gimmick. He's not a world champion level guy but he could be a good IC/US/tag champ guy for years, like Tito Santana.

Speaking of Santino and what the fuck are they doing

TOP WWE STAR YANKED FROM ELIMINATION CHAMBER PPV
by Mike Johnson @ 11:03 PM on 2/14/2012

Randy Orton has been pulled off the Elimination Chamber PPV this Sunday after sufferingf a concussion during his match with Big Show at last night's Raw, WWE announced this evening.

SPOILER: YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHO RANDY ORTON'S REPLACEMENT SUNDAY IS
by Mike Johnson @ 2:22 AM on 2/15/2012

Santino Marella.
I think the term "card subject to change" is rolling over in its grave

Of course it's still over because people will always cheer when you mention their city.

I don't know Punk personally to say i don't like him, all im saying is he's done a complete 180 since his written "shoot" promo. He gets a because his shit wasn't funny plain & simple, you can't tell me he's one of the best on the mic and let shit like clown shoes & bestiality pass. Wrestlers like Flair, Rock, Austin, Jericho, Roberts & Rhodes were great because they could come at you from any angle when it came to promos, Punks strength is shooting and that has a very short shelf life.

You basically repeated what i said about Santino except you think he's just a joke period. This is what Anthony was before he became Santino


Your serve

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I don't know Punk personally to say i don't like him, all im saying is he's done a complete 180 since his written "shoot" promo. He gets a because his shit wasn't funny plain & simple, you can't tell me he's one of the best on the mic and let shit like clown shoes & bestiality pass. Wrestlers like Rock, Austin, Jericho, Roberts & Rhodes were great because they could come at you from any angle when it came to promos, Punks strength is shooting and that has a very short shelf life.

Punk has been around a long time and been consistently good on the mic. The worst period as a promo guy he's ever had is right now when WWE is actually paying attention to him.
Not one of those guys mentioned would be the same or as interesting being book by the imbeciles Vince has working for him now. Every single one of them made their name before he went to tightly scripted promos and no one has broken through since.

You basically repeated what i said about Santino except you think he's just a joke period. This is what Anthony was before he became Santino


Your serve

I'm sure he can whoop some ass but he's a horrible worker. Lex Luger used to look great working tv squash matches too. So did Nikita Koloff and the Road Warriors when they got started but they were all shitty wrestlers (Nikita and the LOD got better, Lex did not).
I didnt repeat what you said about Santino. You said he could wrestle, I said he can't.
With Ryder, they're going to have to book him to stop being a pus and he might have to beat Kane at Mania for them to undo the damage. But even then, they would have to book him strong for years to undo the damage they've done.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Of course it's still over because people will always cheer when you mention their city.

Obviously they will but it's become Mick's thing and one of the things people will remember about him when he's done.

 

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Obviously they will but it's become Mick's thing and one of the things people will remember about him when he's done.

That's kind of sad actually

 

[Upgrade Dave]

That's kind of sad actually

Why? It was a corny cliche that Mick made one of his trademarks. He didn't have or need some writer in an office to come up with it, he did it on his own and people anticipate Foley going for the cheap pop.