Mcdonalds Incident.... Self defense???

Could you imagine being in a jury box where 10 of you are like "not-guilty" and then you have the other two like :( "but what about the poor thugs, they got a boo boo?"

But seriously, since this thread has been started, I wonder how many victims have been put in the hospital or morgue because of thugs. I wonder how many of these victims might still be unharmed had they acted like the McDonald's guy. Fuck a thug.

But gene nobody in this thread has said anything about the women. Nobody has even had any sympathy for them. Nobody has spoken up for them. Nobody is even siding with them. Why are you purposefully making this type of statement? Nobody is sticking up for them. Every single person in this thread has condemned their actions.
 
But gene nobody in this thread has said anything about the women. Nobody has even had any sympathy for them. Nobody has spoken up for them. Nobody is even siding with them. Why are you purposefully making this type of statement? Nobody is sticking up for them. Every single person in this thread has condemned their actions.

By saying it was excessive you are defending them. What if he allowed them to get back up? He told them to stay the fuck down(stop trying to attack). Once they stayed down, you notice the swinging of the rod stopped.

At the end of the day it won't matter. People are behind him. He gets out on Monday. Lawyers are trying to take the case pro bono. No jury in America is going to convict him.
 
By saying it was excessive you are defending them. What if he allowed them to get back up? He told them to stay the fuck down(stop trying to attack). Once they stayed down, you notice the swinging of the rod stopped.

At the end of the day it won't matter. People are behind him. He gets out on Monday. Lawyers are trying to take the case pro bono. No jury in America is going to convict him.

He ran to get a rod.....y didn't he run after they were down? And y would they stay down? He is not an officer and has no authority....they were probably getting up to run from his killin ass
 
By saying it was excessive you are defending them. What if he allowed them to get back up? He told them to stay the fuck down(stop trying to attack). Once they stayed down, you notice the swinging of the rod stopped.

At the end of the day it won't matter. People are behind him. He gets out on Monday. Lawyers are trying to take the case pro bono. No jury in America is going to convict him.

He ran to get a rod.....y didn't he run after they were down? And y would they stay down? He is not an officer and has no authority....they were probably getting up to run from his killin ass
 
Your excuse would never work in court in fact you would incriminate yourself.
nigga stfu a lawyer already bodied your silly ass on this shit. u ain't even a para-paralegal. stop it.

But gene nobody in this thread has said anything about the women. Nobody has even had any sympathy for them. Nobody has spoken up for them. Nobody is even siding with them. Why are you purposefully making this type of statement? Nobody is sticking up for them. Every single person in this thread has condemned their actions.
:rolleyes:

By saying it was excessive you are defending them. What if he allowed them to get back up? He told them to stay the fuck down(stop trying to attack). Once they stayed down, you notice the swinging of the rod stopped.

At the end of the day it won't matter. People are behind him. He gets out on Monday. Lawyers are trying to take the case pro bono. No jury in America is going to convict him.

arguing with fools b.
 
A lot of these comments seem to be made based on theory and not a adrenaline filled moment. I promise you the list of options you have is much shorter.

Try getting robbed, or a gun pulled on you and then debate the correct course of action in a fight/flight situation.
 
But gene nobody in this thread has said anything about the women. Nobody has even had any sympathy for them. Nobody has spoken up for them. Nobody is even siding with them. Why are you purposefully making this type of statement? Nobody is sticking up for them. Every single person in this thread has condemned their actions.

questioning his manhood in this situation can be/is perceived as a subtle way of defending the women.

sarcastically overstating what he did, while simultaneously sarcastically drawing strawmen arguments (but they were about to pull out bazookas:rolleyes:) is probably the main reason why this thread went on as long as it has.
 
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I feel bad for the brotha. He was just trying to turn his life around and earn an honest dollar and these bitches fucked it up. He should have killed them both.:hmm:

I saw a man who

1. was verbally assaulted
2. then physically assaulted
3. walked away
4. saw his attackers chase him
5. defended himself

damn we live in a fucked up society where we blame the victim

dude did everything he could to avoid those women

yet he'll probably do another 10 behind this bullshit and theyll heal and terrorize other people

c/s

its easy as fuck to scream "excessive" when your watching a vid.

it's a whole other animal when you're actually in the situation; adrenaline is pumping, time is relative etc.

C\S. \thread
 
By saying it was excessive you are defending them. What if he allowed them to get back up? He told them to stay the fuck down(stop trying to attack). Once they stayed down, you notice the swinging of the rod stopped.

At the end of the day it won't matter. People are behind him. He gets out on Monday. Lawyers are trying to take the case pro bono. No jury in America is going to convict him.

NO. It's NOT. You can say something was excessive. And still believe that what they did was stupid. Just because you say it does not make it so. All the what if what if. What if when she started cursing him he didn't respond at all. Stop the what if's. What if's don't get you anywhere. You're just trying to make something suit your argument. There is no what if. Only what happened. And you can find what they did stupid and deplorable without saying what he did was intelligent or 100% backable.

They don't coincide.
 
questioning his manhood in this situation can be/is perceived as a subtle way of defending the women.

sarcastically overstating what he did, while simultaneously sarcastically drawing strawmen arguments (but they were about to pull out bazookas:rolleyes:) is probably the main reason why this thread went on as long as it has.

Whatever makes you guys happy. Strawmen statements are what all of you have been doing in this thread who say "What if..." Instead of what happened.
 
NO. It's NOT. You can say something was excessive. And still believe that what they did was stupid. Just because you say it does not make it so. All the what if what if. What if when she started cursing him he didn't respond at all. Stop the what if's. What if's don't get you anywhere. You're just trying to make something suit your argument. There is no what if. Only what happened. And you can find what they did stupid and deplorable without saying what he did was intelligent or 100% backable.

They don't coincide.

Wow you're full of shit. There were plenty of "What if's" and he shut all of that shit down when he bashed that bitches head in...
 
I saw a man who

1. was verbally assaulted
2. then physically assaulted
3. walked away
4. saw his attackers chase him
5. defended himself

damn we live in a fucked up society where we blame the victim

dude did everything he could to avoid those women

yet he'll probably do another 10 behind this bullshit and theyll heal and terrorize other people

Real talk right here.
 
Wow you're full of shit. There were plenty of "What if's" and he shut all of that shit down when he bashed that bitches head in...

Yes yes i'm full of shit. And nothing you can do is going to change reality. Control yourself and maybe you won't wind up in a similar situation, and when it comes your turn you won't have to HOPE and PRAY and use WHAT IF's as a defense.
 
Yes yes i'm full of shit. And nothing you can do is going to change reality. Control yourself and maybe you won't wind up in a similar situation, and when it comes your turn you won't have to HOPE and PRAY and use WHAT IF's as a defense.

The same can be said and applied to those two women.
 
Yes yes i'm full of shit. And nothing you can do is going to change reality. Control yourself and maybe you won't wind up in a similar situation, and when it comes your turn you won't have to HOPE and PRAY and use WHAT IF's as a defense.

So there was no self control by dude? You're trolling. :rolleyes:


Self control is not threatening, and jumping your dumb ass over a counter to confront an employee for doing his job.
 
NO. It's NOT. You can say something was excessive. And still believe that what they did was stupid. Just because you say it does not make it so. All the what if what if. What if when she started cursing him he didn't respond at all. Stop the what if's. What if's don't get you anywhere. You're just trying to make something suit your argument. There is no what if. Only what happened. And you can find what they did stupid and deplorable without saying what he did was intelligent or 100% backable.

They don't coincide.

Self-defense is a "what if" scenario. Someone comes up and lays a right hook to your face, WHAT IF you let them hit you again. Someone comes into your home and is running to you in an aggressive manner, WHAT IF you stand there and do nothing. You start defending yourself against your attackers, WHAT IF they get up? Do they flee? Do they look for weapons? Do they just keep coming with the attack?

When in self-defense mode, there are a bunch of things racing through your head. The bottom line is that they jumped the counter. Fuck whatever happened to the thugs after that. Thugs should be incapacitated until police arrive(which can take forever).

This is akin to robbers trying to rob the Mcdonald's. Someone produces a weapon and hold the robbers until police arrive. Does the dumb ass prosecutor charge the "hero" with kidnapping and other crimes?

Fuck thugs. If more people acted like him, there would be fewer victims.
 
There is no sense in having an arguement with someon that refuses to acknowledge: fight or flight response, and that he could have suffered serious bodily harm and death.

It's like arguing with a republican and he refuses to acknowledge how they are the ones that lead us into this finacial crisis.

Or arguing with a student about why he failed ad he isn't acknowledging that he didn't study.

We all live our life in if's....we have a gun becase if shit pops off.
We wear seat belts becase if we crash....

U can not progress in an arguement when someone refuses to acknowledge ur key points. This is page 38? And they still haven't acknowledged that as far as he knew he could have died in an instant.

Not just die....we all can die at anytime doest mean kill or shot anyone at anytime....but this was well within reason of fearing for ones life or long term health
 
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Everyone just ignore her. Shes blatantly picking and choosing what she wants to respond to; basically being the straw man she's accusing us of being.


Shes trolling no matter how much she attempts to deny it.
 
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Self-defense is a "what if" scenario. Someone comes up and lays a right hook to your face, WHAT IF you let them hit you again. Someone comes into your home and is running to you in an aggressive manner, WHAT IF you stand there and do nothing. You start defending yourself against your attackers, WHAT IF they get up? Do they flee? Do they look for weapons? Do they just keep coming with the attack?

When in self-defense mode, there are a bunch of things racing through your head. The bottom line is that they jumped the counter. Fuck whatever happened to the thugs after that. Thugs should be incapacitated until police arrive(which can take forever).

This is akin to robbers trying to rob the Mcdonald's. Someone produces a weapon and hold the robbers until police arrive. Does the dumb ass prosecutor charge the "hero" with kidnapping and other crimes?

Fuck thugs. If more people acted like him, there would be fewer victims.

:thumbsup:
 
Self-defense is a "what if" scenario. Someone comes up and lays a right hook to your face, WHAT IF you let them hit you again. Someone comes into your home and is running to you in an aggressive manner, WHAT IF you stand there and do nothing. You start defending yourself against your attackers, WHAT IF they get up? Do they flee? Do they look for weapons? Do they just keep coming with the attack?

When in self-defense mode, there are a bunch of things racing through your head. The bottom line is that they jumped the counter. Fuck whatever happened to the thugs after that. Thugs should be incapacitated until police arrive(which can take forever).

This is akin to robbers trying to rob the Mcdonald's. Someone produces a weapon and hold the robbers until police arrive. Does the dumb ass prosecutor charge the "hero" with kidnapping and other crimes?

Fuck thugs. If more people acted like him, there would be fewer victims.

:thumbsup:
 
Self-defense is a "what if" scenario. Someone comes up and lays a right hook to your face, WHAT IF you let them hit you again. Someone comes into your home and is running to you in an aggressive manner, WHAT IF you stand there and do nothing. You start defending yourself against your attackers, WHAT IF they get up? Do they flee? Do they look for weapons? Do they just keep coming with the attack?

When in self-defense mode, there are a bunch of things racing through your head. The bottom line is that they jumped the counter. Fuck whatever happened to the thugs after that. Thugs should be incapacitated until police arrive(which can take forever).

This is akin to robbers trying to rob the Mcdonald's. Someone produces a weapon and hold the robbers until police arrive. Does the dumb ass prosecutor charge the "hero" with kidnapping and other crimes?

Fuck thugs. If more people acted like him, there would be fewer victims.

:thumbsup:
 
Self-defense is a "what if" scenario. Someone comes up and lays a right hook to your face, WHAT IF you let them hit you again. Someone comes into your home and is running to you in an aggressive manner, WHAT IF you stand there and do nothing. You start defending yourself against your attackers, WHAT IF they get up? Do they flee? Do they look for weapons? Do they just keep coming with the attack?

When in self-defense mode, there are a bunch of things racing through your head. The bottom line is that they jumped the counter. Fuck whatever happened to the thugs after that. Thugs should be incapacitated until police arrive(which can take forever).

This is akin to robbers trying to rob the Mcdonald's. Someone produces a weapon and hold the robbers until police arrive. Does the dumb ass prosecutor charge the "hero" with kidnapping and other crimes?

Fuck thugs. If more people acted like him, there would be fewer victims.

:thumbsup:
 
Self-defense is a "what if" scenario. Someone comes up and lays a right hook to your face, WHAT IF you let them hit you again. Someone comes into your home and is running to you in an aggressive manner, WHAT IF you stand there and do nothing. You start defending yourself against your attackers, WHAT IF they get up? Do they flee? Do they look for weapons? Do they just keep coming with the attack?

When in self-defense mode, there are a bunch of things racing through your head. The bottom line is that they jumped the counter. Fuck whatever happened to the thugs after that. Thugs should be incapacitated until police arrive(which can take forever).

This is akin to robbers trying to rob the Mcdonald's. Someone produces a weapon and hold the robbers until police arrive. Does the dumb ass prosecutor charge the "hero" with kidnapping and other crimes?

Fuck thugs. If more people acted like him, there would be fewer victims.

:thumbsup:
 
A lot of these comments seem to be made based on theory and not a adrenaline filled moment. I promise you the list of options you have is much shorter.

Try getting robbed, or a gun pulled on you and then debate the correct course of action in a fight/flight situation.

The theoreticians in this thread (the ones who aren't being totally disingenuous) are people who've never experienced a fight or flight situation that didn't involve the latter. Had these people been cornered or in any other situation where running wasn't an option, they would be victims.
 
There wasn't any excessive force. Once his attackers stopped trying to get up(presumably to continue their attack), he stopped hitting them. Yeah mr. Prosecutor. Let the attacker get up after being hit. Now the thug is really pissed and you are in even more danger. WTF? What fantasy world do some of you live in? Hit and aggressor, knock them down, when they get back up the muthafucka is :angry: :angry: :angry:

Check the sentiment online. It has to be close to 90 percent supporting this dude. Americans are sick of fucking thugs. This is a country where people can break into your home and sue you. All my defense lawyer has to do is convince the jury that some thugs could do the same thing to them.

Let's say out of 12 jurors there are probably two jack asses that are worried about the thugs(again, online sentiment would back this up). So after a verdict can't be reached, how much of our money are they going to waste prosecuting a guy who was working and got attacked by thugs? People are just sick of shit like this.

Well put.
 
Self-defense is a "what if" scenario. Someone comes up and lays a right hook to your face, WHAT IF you let them hit you again. Someone comes into your home and is running to you in an aggressive manner, WHAT IF you stand there and do nothing. You start defending yourself against your attackers, WHAT IF they get up? Do they flee? Do they look for weapons? Do they just keep coming with the attack?

When in self-defense mode, there are a bunch of things racing through your head. The bottom line is that they jumped the counter. Fuck whatever happened to the thugs after that. Thugs should be incapacitated until police arrive(which can take forever).

This is akin to robbers trying to rob the Mcdonald's. Someone produces a weapon and hold the robbers until police arrive. Does the dumb ass prosecutor charge the "hero" with kidnapping and other crimes?

Fuck thugs. If more people acted like him, there would be fewer victims.

The problem with what if's is they can be used against him just as much for him.
 
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