Tell Me About Obama

[miltownkid]

Sup BGOL,

I see A LOT of Obama threads in the politics forum. I've been itching to make a video about Obama, but I lack information and lack time to investigate. I totally do not follow the news or politics, but I'm very interested in economics (and so politics is a must... )

Anyhow, I used to be all about Ron Paul. Don't really want to get into the why as it's irrelevant now. I was going to totally ignore politics this year, but... That doesn't seem right. Also, it's highly interesting to me that we now have a Black dude running. He also seems to be... "down."

My mom is all about Obama and tells me I need to read the speech he gave on racism after the thing with his church happened because she says it's really good (haven't yet, I'm biracial as well, moms is White.)

Anyhow, I want to make a video supporting Obama and will be researching him heavily first, but I thought you guys could help me shortcut the process a bit by pointing me to some "Golden Nuggets" of information (there is SO much to weed through.)

I would gladly endorse BGOL as the spot that dropped science for me as well (only if BGOL would appreciate said endorsement of course. )

OTOH you could also tell me to "GTFO N00B! Do your own fucking homework!"

My video will hit a funny demographic of people. Lots of little dudes (gamers and such) but also some older folk in odd regions of the country. I had some old white chick with a son in the war ask me about McCain once (she supported him)...

Anyhow, I figure every little bit helps and I want to do my part.

peace out brethren!

MTK

 

[QueEx]

A couple of responsive tidbits:

• Welcome. Can't say what kind of greeting you might get on the so-called 'main board' but here, you are more than welcome.

• There is lots of information our there including vid clips on Obama. Perhaps someone on these boards could point them out. OTOH, its always good if you show the initiative first -- I find that people are more eager to help if you're trying to help yourself.

• The 'biracial' designation is puzzling to me. I look around and I see many, many Black people of some ancestry less than just African. They (we) call us Black. Just like the age-old arguments of what makes on Black and is one Black enough -- I wonder will there we arguments as to what makes one Biracial and is one biracial enough. Just musing. Perhaps, another thread.

Peace.

QueEx

 

[miltownkid]

OTOH, its always good if you show the initiative first -- I find that people are more eager to help if you're trying to help yourself.

Hey QueEx,

I'm totally aware of this, but I am TRULY swamped at the moment. I'll say this. I was totally uninterested in following politics after Ron Paul was out, but then I happened to stumble upon a video (on Youtube of course) of Obama speaking (I can't even remember what about.) What I took away from it was "Holy FUCK can that dude speak!" (I can't even remember if I agreed with him or not.)

I KNOW I'm going to not agree with a lot of things Obama says (being a Libertarian and all.) But I have a strong feeling that he is the best candidate of the 2 (McCain and Obama of course.)

The thing is, I don't want to be like "Because he's Black and NOT Republican..." I actually probably lean more towards Republican kind of thinking now than I have in the past.

I'm not asking for anyone to do my thinking for me. But if someone pointed me to an article that really moved them, or a really moving speech he made, that would be a start. I would probably then come back with some questions.

 

[Crank_It_Up]

read his book the audacity of hope, or if you don't want to invest that much time, go to his website

 

[QueEx]

. . . or search this website; there is a plethora of information and video here and all over the web.

QueEx

 

[Havoc]

^^Indeed.

I'm sure I've probably never posted here, but I come here occasionally to read what media outlets aren't showing. In this day and age, it's all about how much one can fit in a 10 second soundbyte.

 

[deputy dawg]

If you don't have time to make one, just upload an already produced YouTube vid. There are LOTS of good ones already done. Or just post sone of McCain that show how much he has flip-flopped on what he stands for. That was such a big issue in 2004 for the Republicans vs. Kerry. Use their own sword against them!!

I'd search on YouTube and post them for you but then I'd be doing what you said you wanted to do. By doing the research yourself you'd gain a deeper appreciation for what Obama is about and be better equipped to talk to those who oppose him. That would be the greatest way you can support him!

Take a few hours away from gaming and do some research. Return here to your thread with what you find. See you soon!

 

[VegasGuy]

Pump your brakes dude, you got the cart before the horse. You don't have time to investigate this black dude running, mom tells you to read a race speech and you want to do comedy where Obama is the starring role and you don't have time to boot.

So you start your research on a porn board. Hmmm.

If I'm overstating your words feel free to jump on in but me personally, I'd rather you not attempt to sweet talk the board with your promise to give BGOL credit for your research and I gotta say for the record you're starting out in the deep damn water.

Now you obviously had time for Ron Paul, I'd like to see what video you did on him. For you, Ron Paul seemed to be "down" for you ahead of the "black dude."

-VG

Sup BGOL,

I see A LOT of Obama threads in the politics forum. I've been itching to make a video about Obama, but I lack information and lack time to investigate. I totally do not follow the news or politics, but I'm very interested in economics (and so politics is a must... )

Anyhow, I used to be all about Ron Paul. Don't really want to get into the why as it's irrelevant now. I was going to totally ignore politics this year, but... That doesn't seem right. Also, it's highly interesting to me that we now have a Black dude running. He also seems to be... "down."

My mom is all about Obama and tells me I need to read the speech he gave on racism after the thing with his church happened because she says it's really good (haven't yet, I'm biracial as well, moms is White.)

Anyhow, I want to make a video supporting Obama and will be researching him heavily first, but I thought you guys could help me shortcut the process a bit by pointing me to some "Golden Nuggets" of information (there is SO much to weed through.)

I would gladly endorse BGOL as the spot that dropped science for me as well (only if BGOL would appreciate said endorsement of course. )

OTOH you could also tell me to "GTFO N00B! Do your own fucking homework!"

My video will hit a funny demographic of people. Lots of little dudes (gamers and such) but also some older folk in odd regions of the country. I had some old white chick with a son in the war ask me about McCain once (she supported him)...

Anyhow, I figure every little bit helps and I want to do my part.

peace out brethren!

MTK

 

[miltownkid]

I'd search on YouTube and post them for you but then I'd be doing what you said you wanted to do. By doing the research yourself you'd gain a deeper appreciation for what Obama is about and be better equipped to talk to those who oppose him. That would be the greatest way you can support him!

Take a few hours away from gaming and do some research. Return here to your thread with what you find. See you soon!

You're right about me being better off doing the work myself. I was just looking for a... a something. I thought someone might have had a better place to start than Obama.com. And it isn't gaming that's taking up all my time these days. Today I was a panelist at a seminar about business video and did a photo shoot for a local magazine. I will try to make some time to research Obama tomorrow though.

Pump your brakes dude, you got the cart before the horse. You don't have time to investigate this black dude running, mom tells you to read a race speech and you want to do comedy where Obama is the starring role and you don't have time to boot.

So you start your research on a porn board. Hmmm.

I thought this was a "Politics and the Topics of the day" board where I posted this. And are you trying to say that folks interested in porn are't folks that are keen to politics? Also, I in no way want to do a comedy. Perhaps you've glance at a few of my most viewed videos or something, but there are over 250 of them out there. I be more than a one trick pony.

If I'm overstating your words feel free to jump on in but me personally, I'd rather you not attempt to sweet talk the board with your promise to give BGOL credit for your research and I gotta say for the record you're starting out in the deep damn water.

That was in no way an attempt to sweet talk, I just like to give credit where credit is due.

Now you obviously had time for Ron Paul, I'd like to see what video you did on him. For you, Ron Paul seemed to be "down" for you ahead of the "black dude."

-VG

You're right. I DID have time to investigate Ron Paul. Life was different for me then AND I was reading about someone that was in line with my views on government.

I cam here because I've found that the nature of politics is about (mis)information. It takes a lot of time to get the different points of views necessary to critically think about a topic. In all honesty (and I'll probably mention it in the video.) I think the fact that Obama is Black is a huge positive. The reason being is I can vividly remember being a kid and thinking that being president was not a possibly because I wasn't White. Obama has already done a HUGE amount of good by paving the way and being a role model for kids that would have otherwise thought that presidency was not an option because they were not White.

It looks as if BGOL is saying GTFO n00b! do some fucking homework. lol

So that's what I'm going to do. I'll try to come back with something with substance.

 

[Ruff Ryder]

www.barackobama.com

 

[14damoney]

...and now for a different-flavored reply:


Miltownkid, your heart just might have been with the best candidate throughout the whole Democratic/Republic race for nominee. Ron Paul was the "realest" candidate that I've seen in a long time.

I am truly happy that a "black" man has made it this far in the Presidential race. But with that being said, I'm also very disturbed. Like many, you have been sucked into the Rockstar image that he projects. But there is more to this cat than meets the eye.

His whole campaign is about change, and he is a walking symbol of change. But when I look at his immediate supporting cast, that's when I really start to question his motives. It's the same ole' crew. Without going into detail, this whole Obama image facade is reaching fairytale proportions.

What saddens me most, is that I don't see many of my brothers and sisters critiquing him much further than the fact that he is black. The "codewords" he iterates are pleasing to the ear, but poisonous when put into effect (universal healthcare, Global Warming, etc...). That's because there is an agenda behind them not created by him, but what he seems to subscribe to.

Because the labels sound well-meaning, my people buy into it easier because he is black and he would never hurt them right?

I'm not saying that there is much of a choice in this election either. Hillary (who is now out)and McCain do asbolutely nothing for my sentiments. But Obama is unique because with him I feel a sense of betrayal.

I would never discourage you to do the video you proposed. If that's what you want to do, go at it 100%. But at the same time please stay critical of Obama, McCain, and any other candidate in your future. Research Obama, you can start with his puppetmaster Zbigniew Brezinsky.

Images mean nothing when compared to substance.

 

[miltownkid]

www.barackobama.com

LOL. That kind of sums things up doesn't it?

I would never discourage you to do the video you proposed. If that's what you want to do, go at it 100%. But at the same time please stay critical of Obama, McCain, and any other candidate in your future. Research Obama, you can start with his puppetmaster Zbigniew Brezinsky.

Images mean nothing when compared to substance.

Thanks for your reply. The my whole thing about politics is that I've TOTALLY ignored it for most of my life because I somehow knew the SHAM that it is. I got TOTALLY in to economics a couple years ago and, after serious and deep study, found that politics is a "necessary evil" when thinking about economics.

If one studies economics it doesn't take long to find out the problems with Universal Health Care, minimum wage, rent control, etc. etc. It's obvious to an economist. That shit SUCKS! But... There's the politics that lies behind it. "The people" think it's good, and if you want to get elected you have to tell people what they want to hear. How do you do the right thing for the people AND get elected at the same time? If you don't play "dirty tricks" to get elected, you just won't. End of story.

Anyhow, it was nice finding out about Ron Paul at the same time as getting into economics. I didn't agree with everything he was about, but he was about doing things RIGHT. The REAL right. The right that the majority of the population doesn't know exists.

Well... Back to Obama. Knowing that a person will NEVER get elected "keeping it real" (my version of real anyway) that only leaves, the "fake." Do I go back to my original mode of not giving a fuck about politics or do I try to understand how to figure things out within... their current structure (with people not being educated enough to make educated decisions in elections...)

All that being said, what I HAVE chose to focus a lot of attention on is LOCAL politics. All this presidential stuff is really smoke and mirrors for the average person. Are the time they spend investigating the Clinton's, Bush and Obama, needs to be spent investigating what's happening in their back yard. I know some people do both, but many don't.

People shouldn't be allowed to vote for president if they don't know who the mayor of their city is... There should be a test or something.

Anyhow, I'll get on that research a little later today. Thanks for replying.

 

[miltownkid]

I guess it's down to two people now. Obama and McCain. I spent a little time going through Obama's website and decided to start with a topic I've researched quite a bit "Health Care."

I looked at both Obama's and McCain's website to see where they stood on the issue.

For me McCain wins...

I'll keep a running score: Obama 0 McCain 1

I won't go too in depth into why I'm not "down" with UHC, but seeing as the government can't handle something simple like education, I want them to stay as far away as possible from health care (a very simple explanation.) More to come... Comment if you feel inclined.

 

[World B Free]

THIS THREAD FAILS....

 

[Crank_It_Up]

...The my whole thing about politics is that I've TOTALLY ignored it for most of my life because I somehow knew the SHAM that it is...

The sham is us, meaning the citizens of the United States. Our government works to the same degree as our level of participation in it. We are both guilty of a lackluster performance. The change Obama speaks of is not the change in our government all by itself, but rather the change we can/will force upon it if we participate in the political process.

That being said, which candidate do you think inspires people to participate in your government?

What chance for change is there, without that participation?

 

[miltownkid]

The sham is us, meaning the citizens of the United States. Our government works to the same degree as our level of participation in it. We are both guilty of a lackluster performance. The change Obama speaks of is not the change in our government all by itself, but rather the change we can/will force upon it if we participate in the political process.

First, I'd like to think it's as easy as saying "the sham is us," but I don't think it's that easy. I'll just quietly point my finger at the public school system...

Second, I just finished reading an article about Obama and... I think you're right about what he says about change.

Making It - How Chicago shaped Obama. - by Ryan Lizza

That article is really good for anyone that doesn't know how Obama got to where he is so quickly. It's most likely a good articale for anyone to read.

That being said, which candidate do you think inspires people to participate in your government?

Ron Paul did for me, but Obama seems to be having that same effect (on others.)

What chance for change is there, without that participation?

Yes, that participation is very necessary but... It's going to take a lot of work to get people engaged like that and Obama seems to be up to the task.

I'm STILL working on that Obama research I want to do. I think this article may have sparked the fire to actually get it done. The reason I ran into this article is because I plan on running for office (Alderman for my district) and a friend of mine said I needed to read that article.

That article made clear to me what I had already assumed. Obama is somewhat of a "political genius." I have a feeling I still won't like his policies BUT... What is totally clear to me now is that he's doing what needs to be done to get himself elected. What will he do once elected? Guess we'll have to wait and see BUT my feelings about him have definitely shifted to the positive (even though [he voted FOR that FISA thing...] [Here's Obama's response].)

That Obama video I want to make is probably coming soon. Still need to do some more research though...

 

[miltownkid]

As promised here is the video: