If you still believe in religion after this you are fucking RETARDED.

[Camille]

@dlow is explaining to us how the slave master's religion being forced on our ancestors was for our own good.

What about the black folks who practiced it before the slave trade? Do you think things would have been different under a different religion or no religion at all?

 

[Big Tex]

What about the black folks who practiced it before the slave trade? Do you think things would have been different under a different religion or no religion at all?

I don’t know if thngs would have been different in either case. And again, for people that practice faith, that’s their choice and none of my business. It’s when people need to say religion makes more logical, rational sense than science that I have a problem.

 

[kogalee muhammad]

I’ve always thought souls just travel from spot to spot

I have dreams where I feel I know the people in them but I know I never met them

What if some of these dreams are the fragmented memories of lives lived?

It's called Coca leaves, Nigga

 

[Ceenote]

i think religion is there for two things, one to make people feel better and most of all control people... n they definitely control people all day everyday! for those that wanna practice religion to each their own just dnt bring that junk into my space!

 

[dlow]

I agree.

It's the dudes in this thread that insist that religion makes as much if not more logical sense than science that are ridiculous.

If religion made logical sense, you wouldn't have to believe or have faith. You don't have to have faith that 2 + 2 will equal 4.

The whole point of religion is to believe in something that makes no rational sense.

Really you had to have faith that black holes exist, dark matter, the constant that is the speed of light. Please don’t compare 2+2 to science. That’s like me saying because the Bible is published it equals religion. Remember when science said you could not exceed the speed of sound. Last math is not science. Better to have people assume your stupid then to call math science and remove all doubt.

 

[dlow]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/karl-giberson-phd/the-biblical-roots-of-racism_b_7649390.html

So the huffington post is a science web site? I said scientific proof. So you can’t. I would venture to say that people have used the physiology to corrupt religion for there own gain. That is not the same as religion. Trump is using science to say there is no global warming even though most scientist agree there is. See how that goes.

Again your belief is science so it should be able to prove that there is no God. Where is the proof. I have never said there is no science it’s just that it is constantly proven to be wrong because science is mostly theory. Which by its very nature a belief system which would be definition make it a religion.

 

[dlow]

@dlow is explaining to us how the slave master's religion being forced on our ancestors was for our own good.

BTW Africans were already practicing religion. You should have said Christianity, it would have been a more accurate statement. Man I miss the days when brothers on here could actually make an intelligent argument. So uneducated.

 

[Big Tex]

Really you had to have faith that black holes exist, dark matter, the constant that is the speed of light. Please don’t compare 2+2 to science. That’s like me saying because the Bible is published it equals religion. Remember when science said you could not exceed the speed of sound. Last math is not science. Better to have people assume your stupid then to call math science and remove all doubt.

You should perfect spelling first before belittling anyone else's intelligence.

You don't have faith in black holes, dark matter, or the speed of light being constant. You run experiments to see if the calculations that prove them are true or not. You should know that pretty much the entire scientific discipline of Physics is nothing but math.

E=MC2 is math. And science. Astrophysics, all math. And science.

Look, go on believing. Now if you need to make your religion as logical as science to justify your belief in it, you're not much a believer.

However, you just make yourself look more and more ignorant. Every time you post.

 

[Big Tex]

BTW Africans were already practicing religion. You should have said Christianity, it would have been a more accurate statement. Man I miss the days when brothers on here could actually make an intelligent argument. So uneducated.

When did I say Africans weren't practicing religion?

But you are specifically promoting Christianity i.e. the slave master's religion.

Sounds like genesis. The universe was created over time. 2 peter 3:8.

Or tell me what African religion did Genesis and 2 Peter come from....

 

[Pack Rat]

Religion is all about where you were born....and everyone thinks their religion is the right one.
Try to think beyond man made religion....
Stop looking for power outside of yourself...
Look, at your arm...then look deeper.... the skin...to the cells...then the molecules that make the cells..then the atoms..the bunch up to make the molecules.....
Now the sub atomic particls that make up the atoms...
then you have pure energy....its what the whole universe made of.
The placebo effect tells us that we can heal ourselfs....BUT...you must believe you can..and thats the hard part.
The reality you see around you is nothing like it really is...like a child in a dark cave with just a flashlight you only see a small part.
We are all gods because we are energy beings ...but we have been programd to believe what life is supposed to be.
So how to get there? you need 2 things...and they are powerful.
Love= changes how you see things
Belief= Believe you can make changes...dont give that power to anyone. (Remember the placebo effect)
Everything is energy....so you can change it
sorry this was so long...
does anyone else think like me or am I alone?

 

[BigATLslim]

God is pleased you are awed by His creation. However you have missed the mark, and instead of realizing this is evidence of His handy work, you fail to recognize the Divine. Don't worry, it's a start, and sooner or later you will realize that such greatness and perfection could never have happened by accident, but only through Divine intent.

Yes we are insignificant in the scheme of things, this theme is throughout the bible, that though we are as nothing, God choose to create and love us anyway. The bible tells us to study nature, and that there is no excuse not to know God as He is evident in His creation.


It has been testified somewhere, “What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him? You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet.” Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:6-12


By awesome deeds You answer us in righteousness, O God of our salvation, You who are the trust of all the ends of the earth and of the farthest sea; Who establishes the mountains by His strength, Being girded with might;Who stills the roaring of the seas, The roaring of their waves, And the tumult of the peoples.They who dwell in the ends of the earth stand in awe of Your signs; You make the dawn and the sunset shout for joy. Psalm 65:5-8


He stretches out the north over empty space And hangs the earth on nothing. He wraps up the waters in His clouds, And the cloud does not burst under them.He wraps up the waters in His clouds, And the cloud does not burst under them."He wraps up the waters in His clouds, And the cloud does not burst under them.The pillars of heaven tremble And are amazed at His rebuke. Job 26:7-11

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. Romans 1:18-20


The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth. When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no springs abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills I was brought forth; While He had not yet made the earth and the fields, Nor the first dust of the world. When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, When He made firm the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, When He set for the sea its boundary, So that the water should not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth; Then I was beside Him, as a master workman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him, Rejoicing in the world, His earth, And having my delight in the sons of men. Proverbs 8:22-31

Camille, now how you gon' tell that man he missed the mark by using KJV biblical scriptures to support it?

Why would you not want to provide an evidence based response?

I like you, I really do, so I want to ask, when were you introduced to christianity and at what age did you accept christ as your personal savior?

It will better help me communicate with you on this genre of discussion.

I always wondered for those that believe in god, isn’t it disrespectful to say he’s so limited they out of all the galaxies he chose just one for human life form?

VERY, for GOD is (in) EVERYTHING.

GOD is ENERGY!

Well, I'll be the 1st person to tell you I don't have the answers. I'm just like everyone else just trying to find meaning in it all and enjoying the journey while I'm here.
But it just seems to me that both sides of this ancient debate are handling it the wrong way and treat each other with an ever growing lack of respect & civility...

I agree.

I am a work in progress on it everyday.

The world is the observable phenomena. Just like it is for science. Science started out with the world as the center of the universe. You are correct in your assessment, but as with science and with religion we are all still learning and observing. We are finding original translations that take apart statements of bibles that were translated for selfish means. Even science has crossed into religion to prove how the sea was partied and that there was a great flood. The Bible from its opening has stated that we would eventually attain all knowledge. What science can’t disprove is the existence of a higher power. Religion has never discounted science nor tried to.

No.

Wrong actual scientist proved it back in the 70’s probably before you was born.

So science says there was a void of nothing and a dot of matter and Bang the universe was born. Yet the Bible said that.

So science says we evolved from a single cell organism into humans somehow ruling the earth yet they have found no links to say were they primates evolved from. Hmmm. We are the only animals evolved to continuously get smatter more destructive and more intelligent while every other species has been dormant. Hmmm. I recall that from the Bible also.

All science is a blind faith just like religion, one for which our race has suffered dearly. The Tuskegee experiment, the bell curve, autism due to mmr vaccines affecting only black males. So you keep letting science rule your life.

Where science has failed to help us out ie hiv. Faith has carried us forward. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela.

Plus if you are going to put your faith in science you should a fairly large number of scientist believe in a higher power.

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

The one that calls people a fool for following religion or the one who’s believing in the fool who is religious.

No.

What about the black folks who practiced it before the slave trade? Do you think things would have been different under a different religion or no religion at all?

Apples and oranges.

Africa is over 12 MILLION square miles and the only country to never be conquered by europeans, ironically, Ethiopia, is the ONLY place on the continent that practiced it.

Let's be clear: the Coptic or Orthodox christianity looks, sounds, reads, behaves NOTHING like the westernized bastardization Africans in america practice.

And yes, things would look starkly different without religion, and maybe marginally different, trading in the one we know noe for one of the other 4,0000 available on the planet.

Really you had to have faith that black holes exist, dark matter, the constant that is the speed of light. Please don’t compare 2+2 to science. That’s like me saying because the Bible is published it equals religion. Remember when science said you could not exceed the speed of sound. Last math is not science. Better to have people assume your stupid then to call math science and remove all doubt.

You discover it, research it, and find multiple sources, from qualified individuals, that have run the experiments for scientific proofing and solving.

Science is ever evolving, as is man.

Religion does not.

Religion is all about where you were born....and everyone thinks their religion is the right one.
Try to think beyond man made religion....
Stop looking for power outside of yourself...
Look, at your arm...then look deeper.... the skin...to the cells...then the molecules that make the cells..then the atoms..the bunch up to make the molecules.....
Now the sub atomic particls that make up the atoms...
then you have pure energy....its what the whole universe made of.
The placebo effect tells us that we can heal ourselfs....BUT...you must believe you can..and thats the hard part.
The reality you see around you is nothing like it really is...like a child in a dark cave with just a flashlight you only see a small part.
We are all gods because we are energy beings ...but we have been programd to believe what life is supposed to be.
So how to get there? you need 2 things...and they are powerful.
Love= changes how you see things
Belief= Believe you can make changes...dont give that power to anyone. (Remember the placebo effect)
Everything is energy....so you can change it
sorry this was so long...
does anyone else think like me or am I alone?

Boom!

You are not alone in your thinking.

You are on the mark!

 

[Camille]

Camille, now how you gon' tell that man he missed the mark by using KJV biblical scriptures to support it?

Why would you not want to provide an evidence based response?

I like you, I really do, so I want to ask, when were you introduced to christianity and at what age did you accept christ as your personal savior?

It will better help me communicate with you on this genre of discussion.

VERY, for GOD is (in) EVERYTHING.

GOD is ENERGY!

I agree.

I am a work in progress on it everyday.


No.

No.

Apples and oranges.

Africa is over 12 MILLION square miles and the only country to never be conquered by europeans, ironically, Ethiopia, is the ONLY place on the continent that practiced it.

Let's be clear: the Coptic or Orthodox christianity looks, sounds, reads, behaves NOTHING like the westernized bastardization Africans in america practice.

And yes, things would look starkly different without religion, and maybe marginally different, trading in the one we know noe for one of the other 4,0000 available on the planet.


You discover it, research it, and find multiple sources, from qualified individuals, that have run the experiments for scientific proofing and solving.

Science is ever evolving, as is man.

Religion does not.

Boom!

You are not alone in your thinking.

You are on the mark!

My grandfather was a pastor, so I grew up around the church, but I have personal experience outside of that environment that takes me beyond theory and allows me to have the faith I have.

I'm not legalistic when it comes to faith, there is plenty to criticize the Church and God's people about. I know how religion is used to manipulate people and what it is used to justify.

Right now y'all are arguing science vs religion, but the bible is not against science or knowledge. There is nothing in science that will invalidate the existence of God. For me it isn't either or, it's both. Science allows us to discover how God's world works, is based on law and consistency. It's not a threat to God.

I don't understand every thing, I haven't studied everything, but saying I should abandon xyz because something that predates this country was twisted by white folks isn't an argument that works for me.

 

[Backshot Bully]

these are Mormon cartoons not Christian 2 different things

I thought you were gonna show this:

 

[dlow]

Camille, now how you gon' tell that man he missed the mark by using KJV biblical scriptures to support it?

Why would you not want to provide an evidence based response?

I like you, I really do, so I want to ask, when were you introduced to christianity and at what age did you accept christ as your personal savior?

It will better help me communicate with you on this genre of discussion.

VERY, for GOD is (in) EVERYTHING.

GOD is ENERGY!

I agree.

I am a work in progress on it everyday.


No.

No.

Apples and oranges.

Africa is over 12 MILLION square miles and the only country to never be conquered by europeans, ironically

When did I say Africans weren't practicing religion?

But you are specifically promoting Christianity i.e. the slave master's religion.



Or tell me what African religion did Genesis and 2 Peter come from....

i don’t ever recall promoting a slave master religion. I never said which religion I studied or came from. You made an assumption like you have done this whole thread. You have made comments without thought.

However science has always been the slave masters religion. It was always the basis for slavery. Religion never stated the black man was inferior. It has always been the use of science. The black male is not human but ape, show me that in the Bible? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

You confuse the fact that like food religion was the carrot for pacification. The whip was the other end of that, but science is what gave them the permission to see us as animal not human.

 

[dlow]

You should perfect spelling first before belittling anyone else's intelligence.

You don't have faith in black holes, dark matter, or the speed of light being constant. You run experiments to see if the calculations that prove them are true or not. You should know that pretty much the entire scientific discipline of Physics is nothing but math.

E=MC2 is math. And science. Astrophysics, all math. And science.

Look, go on believing. Now if you need to make your religion as logical as science to justify your belief in it, you're not much a believer.

However, you just make yourself look more and more ignorant. Every time you post.

Math is math, science is science. When you went to high school because you can’t possibly have went to college. Your math classes and science classes were never in the same category. Physics use words but English is not a science course.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-mathematics-and-science
I get tired of making you look stupid. By the way you should stop arguing with a person that excelled in both science and math. Got to learn the mans whole world to excel in it.

But back to the point faith is defined as the complete confidence of someone or something. As you yourself stated you believe in science, you have confidence in it? Did I mistake your comments? That is faith. Now from the fact that I have provided simple and easy to understand links and foot notes and you come back with basic associations like math equals science that you have confidence that you are correct regardless of what is said. This is the exact definition of faith.

Look science is a money grab. It’s all theory, I don’t know of one scientific “fact” that’s not in dispute right now. But please enlighten me. Never mind it will probably be dumb like the rest.

Just like African history has been hidden and distorted to the fact that people outside of Africa still believe that cleopatra was black and the Middle East is not in Africa. Which by the way science says it’s not. So has science been distorted and used for the same shit. So you keep following your slave master. No religion that I know of requires the complete and utter belief that the person teaching it is correct and what they say is fact. It only requires fellowship and conversation with your fellow man. All I can say is get woke.

 

[Big Tex]

i don’t ever recall promoting a slave master religion. I never said which religion I studied

In this thread... you said "The universe was created over time. 2 peter 3:8."

So why are you quoting the Bible?

 

[Big Tex]

Look science is a money grab. It’s all theory, I don’t know of one scientific “fact” that’s not in dispute right now. But please enlighten me.

 

[Big Tex]

Math is math, science is science. When you went to high school because you can’t possibly have went to college. Your math classes and science classes were never in the same category. Physics use words but English is not a science course.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-mathematics-and-science
I get tired of making you look stupid. By the way you should stop arguing with a person that excelled in both science and math. Got to learn the mans whole world to excel in it.

But back to the point faith is defined as the complete confidence of someone or something. As you yourself stated you believe in science, you have confidence in it? Did I mistake your comments? That is faith. Now from the fact that I have provided simple and easy to understand links and foot notes and you come back with basic associations like math equals science that you have confidence that you are correct regardless of what is said. This is the exact definition of faith.

Look science is a money grab. It’s all theory, I don’t know of one scientific “fact” that’s not in dispute right now. But please enlighten me. Never mind it will probably be dumb like the rest.

Just like African history has been hidden and distorted to the fact that people outside of Africa still believe that cleopatra was black and the Middle East is not in Africa. Which by the way science says it’s not. So has science been distorted and used for the same shit. So you keep following your slave master. No religion that I know of requires the complete and utter belief that the person teaching it is correct and what they say is fact. It only requires fellowship and conversation with your fellow man. All I can say is get woke.

How did you excel in science when you didn't know the Big Bang started with a similarity and Evolution never, ever said humans evolved from apes.

 

[Big Tex]

Everytime you use your cellphone, it’s science. Or do you believe little angels are behind it...

 

[Shadow22]

Everytime you use your cellphone, it’s science. Or do you believe little angels are behind it...

No corporations are. When its your time its your time. Our elders knew the facts and didn't have a college education . U new age niggas on that fuck shit cause of your own bad life experiences.

 

[BigATLslim]

@dlow Science is not a monolith AND it is based in mathematical equatuins and computations.

Life science, biology, was the only science that was manipulated to drive racism, more precisely eugenics.

That's disingenuous to just say "science" did that.

 

[mailboxpimp]

What an awful thread.

 

[Big Tex]

No corporations are. When its your time its your time. Our elders knew the facts and didn't have a college education . U new age niggas on that fuck shit cause of your own bad life experiences.

Let's let our elders design an plane with no college education and let's see if you'll fly on it. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[BigATLslim]

My grandfather was a pastor, so I grew up around the church, but I have personal experience outside of that environment that takes me beyond theory and allows me to have the faith I have.

I'm not legalistic when it comes to faith, there is plenty to criticize the Church and God's people about. I know how religion is used to manipulate people and what it is used to justify.

Right now y'all are arguing science vs religion, but the bible is not against science or knowledge. There is nothing in science that will invalidate the existence of God. For me it isn't either or, it's both. Science allows us to discover how God's world works, is based on law and consistency. It's not a threat to God.

I don't understand every thing, I haven't studied everything, but saying I should abandon xyz because something that predates this country was twisted by white folks isn't an argument that works for me.

We have mirror image upbringings in the faith to the point it is chilling...

At what age did these personal experiences occur in your life, to the point you did not want to thelogically travel beyond the realms of christianity as explained in the KJV?

Paragraphs 2 and 3 make greate sense and I am in full agreement.

To your last paragraph, I understand your position.

My curiosity is always heightened when we as descendents have no empathy or understanding that our ancestors were trying to protect for our continued survuval, only to be given the ultimatum of conversion or death.

Now...we believe "for real," amongst mounting evidence to the contrary, that we were duped, and we have too much pride as a community to check others inside our community, on picking tradition over truth, when we take an honest look at the state of our community.

To you, though, respect.

 

[Entrepronegro]

None of this stuff we will never know until we die. All this speculation is pointless.