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1st let me ask...why has sport pages been deleted????
NEXT Question is who seen TARVER vs JONES fight? was it a good decision?

Tarver retains crown with unanimous decision over Jones
Oct. 2, 2005
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TAMPA, Fla. -- Antonio Tarver raised his arms in triumph and climbed up on the ropes. Roy Jones, Jr., smiled, gave his corner a high-five with his glove and admitted he was beaten by a better fighter.

Tarver retained his IBO light heavyweight title Saturday night with a unanimous 12-round decision over Jones, his second victory over his longtime rival in 16 months.

"He came to reclaim his throne, but it wasn't happening tonight," Tarver said.

Tarver won the crown in May 2004 with a stunning second-round knockout of the former world champion in four weight classifications. He nearly dropped him again when he hurt Jones with a right hand in the 11th round, but couldn't finish him off.

"I was good, but not good enough," Jones said. "I'm satisfied with my performance, and I realize I lost the fight."

Tarver improved to 24-3 in a career that's taken off in the past three years. Jones dropped to 49-3 and has lost his last three fights -- two by knockout.

Antonio Tarver improves to 24-3 overall and 2-1 vs. Roy Jones, Jr.

The bout was the third between the rivals in less than two years -- fourth overall if you count an amateur meeting that Jones won in 1982 when they were 13-year-old kids growing up in Florida.

Jones entered hoping to rebound from the knockout losses to Tarver and Glen Johnson that raised questions about whether he was washed up and should retire. Tarver's right in the 11th sent him reeling into the ropes, and the champion closed in to try to end the fight but appeared to tire.

Jones escaped from the ropes when Tarver swung wildly and missed, and finished the round even though he was blinking his eyes repeatedly, as if he was having difficulty seeing.

"He caught me with a good shot and I think that was the turning point in the fight," Jones said, adding that he has not made a decision on whether to retire.

"I'm a true champion," he said. "Being the champion I am, I may come back. ... If I hadn't gotten hurt, I would retire. But you saw me, I kept coming."

The judges scored the fight 117-111, 116-112 and 116-112 in favor of Tarver, who threw 620 punches to Jones's 320. The champion landed 158, while Jones landed 85 -- or about seven per round.

"He was bested by a better fighter," Tarver said. "I didn't feel like he was intimidated. If I made a mistake he would have punished me."

Tarver never felt he received the accolades he deserved after beating Jones in such convincing fashion in the second fight. Many felt he also won the first meeting in November 2003, adding fuel to the boxer's argument that he wasn't getting his just due.

The fight drew a sellout crowd of more than 20,895 to the St. Pete Times Forum, even though Jones did little to promote the bout -- turning down all requests for interviews during preparation and limiting his appearance at a mandatory prefight news conference to less than 20 seconds.

With his father, Roy, Sr., working his corner for the first time in years, Jones spent most of the first three rounds staying away from Tarver, who ended the second fight with a straight left counter. He gave Jones difficulty in their first matchup by pressing the action and forcing his opponent inside.

Jones went on the offensive in the fourth and fifth rounds, scoring to the body and head. The challenger taunted the champion at times, hitting the bottom of his right shoe and wiggling his hips before launching a flurry of punches in the fifth and sticking his tongue out at Tarver in the sixth.

But he never really hurt Tarver and agreed with the champion's assessment that the best -- at least at this time -- won.

"Tarver could give me a hard time in my best days," Jones said. "I can beat all the light heavyweight out there, except him."

On the undercard, 2004 Olympic gold medalist Andre Ward remained unbeaten (6-0, 4 KOs) with a first-round knockout of middleweight Glenn LaPlante; heavyweight Brian Minto stopped Vinny Maddalone in the seventh round of their scheduled 10-round bout, and lightweight Nate Campbell beat Almazbek Raiymkulov on a 10th-round TKO.

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yeah, I gotta wait for the FREE replay.... at 1st, I thought Tarver would take him.... then I thought Roy would be at his peak to take it (maybe he's too old).....
 
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Jones pissed me off with that chicken fighting nigga shit. He used to be the shit now it's all over,totally pissed me off that fight.I'm a Tarver fan now.
 

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Nobody can box forever. He shouldve fought a scrub, kiiled him and retired. He is still Top Middle and Super-middle of All-time. The man fought a heavyweight and won.
 

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Jones couldn't do anything against Tarver. Antonio just kept scoring points with his jabs and when the time was right, went to the inside and battered Roy with some good punches then stepped back outside.

As far as that point of Jones fighting a heavyweight and winning, it didn't impress me......First, it was by decision, and second, it was against a poor disgrace of a "champion" John Ruiz.
 

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RJJ best to retire better he be bunking next to Gerald G-MAN McClellan!

When Tarver hooked his ass in the 11th round, he started blinking just like G-MAN.
 

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screw v. klit......he's been duckin rahman for a year now. He should relinquish the title instead of this 90 day shit they came up with....And Margarito has to wait to fight again.

Mayweather/Mitchell will be fighting next weekend....
 

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screw v. klit......he's been duckin rahman for a year now. He should relinquish the title

as JI pointed out already, he retired... there will be no rahman fight... with the title vacant, do they have a tournament?
 

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never mind

cranrab said:
with the title vacant, do they have a tournament?

found my answer

WBC votes to give Rahman title
/ Associated Press
Posted: 1 day ago

MEXICO CITY (AP) - The World Boxing Council voted on Thursday to give its heavyweight title to Hasim Rahman, one day after champion Vitali Klitschko announced his retirement.

Five days ago, Klitschko, facing a six-month recovery after tearing a ligament in his right knee, withdrew from a title defense against Rahman in Las Vegas.
"The WBC has already received a majority of votes from its governing council to declare Hasim Rahman undisputed world heavyweight champion," the council said in a press statement.

The council said it had received 20 votes - all in favor of Rahman - out of the 35 total members of the governing body.

Klitschko retired because of his injuries, noting in a Wednesday statement that "I've been fighting injuries recently more than facing rivals in the ring."

The 34-year-old Klitschko hurt his knee while sparring last week in preparation for the bout.

The WBC said earlier this week that Rahman would be given Klitschko's title if the Ukrainian failed to defend it within three months.

Rahman has held the title before, in 2001, before losing it to Lennox Lewis later the same year.

Klitschko's retirement also means the top heavyweight champions are all controlled by promoter Don King, who said he wanted Rahman to defend the title against James Toney and for the winner to join the other title holders in a tournament to crown a real heavyweight champion.
 

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Borges on Boxing: Is a tournament likely?
Ron Borges / BoxingScene.com
Posted: 2 days ago

There are no excuses left any more.

Not for Hasim Rahman or John Ruiz or Chris Byrd or Lamon Brewster. Not for any of the reigning heavyweight champions or their promoter, Don King, either. There aren't even any for most of the heavyweight contenders without a championship portfolio, like James Toney or Calvin Brock or Samuel Peter.
There is always some excuse for Wladimir Klitschko and his sly manager, Shelly Finkel, but that is beside the point now because the heavyweight door has been thrown open and it matters not who steps through it as long as someone does.

With the surprising announcement that WBC heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko had decided to retire less than a week after tearing a ligament in his right knee that postponed for the fourth time his scheduled Nov. 12 fight with Rahman and probably cost him his title, the dank and dormant division got a breath of fresh air because none of them can hide like mushrooms any longer.

They can make excuses. They can squabble over money. But they can't hide any more because none of them is worth a dime without the others and there's no third party out there where any of them can hold out hope for big money gained as much by avoidance as confrontation.

With the elder Klitschko retired and Rahman soon to be declared the WBC champion, King now holds title to all four of the recognized heavyweight belt-holders. There is no one to negotiate with over options or site fees or foreign television rights or even rematch clauses unless Byrd wins a lawsuit next week designed to break his contract with King.

But why would he want to do that now with King holding all the cards in the division? Even someone who would think it wise to turn down $3.6 million to fight the younger Klitschko because he didn't want to go to Germany would seem able to see what is ahead of King — which is domination of the division like no one has had since he held the promotional rights to Mike Tyson.

King is already talking of a Rahman-Toney fight in February followed by a tournament beginning in the spring designed to crown one world champion. Even with the inherent mandatory defense problems a man faces once he holds all the titles, simply having survived such a two-fight or four-fight tournament would legitimize the winner more than anyone since Lennox Lewis last held the most important championship out there — the one in the eyes of the public.

Ruiz, for one, insisted he was not surprised to see Klitschko retire rather than face Rahman and he loudly proclaimed he was willing to face any of the other champions after his fight with WBA No. 1 contender Nicolay Valuev on Dec. 17 in Berlin. This is something he's said all along, and for all his stylistic faults no one can argue that point with him.

"It's only natural to see him quit,'' Ruiz said of Klitschko. "He quit before (when he refused to come out after the ninth round because of a shoulder injury 5 1/2 years ago against Byrd). I was expecting it. For sure he didn't want to fight (Hasim) Rahman. It proves I was right about him all along. It's an embarrassment to the people who put him on a pedestal and it's an embarrassment to Vitali himself. I always felt he only wanted to fight nobodies.

"King has all the champions now so I don't see why we can't have one champion in a couple of fights. I'll definitely fight them all. I fought Rahman. I fought (Evander) Holyfield three times. I fought (Andrew) Golota and (Fres) Oquendo and (Kirk) Johnson. They were all supposed to beat me. I fought (Roy) Jones. I been trying to fight Byrd for a while. I'll fight any one of them in a unification fight.''

But not long after saying that Ruiz said he didn't believe some of his colleagues were as willing as he to accept such a challenge because some seemed far more focused on money and self-preservation than on giving the sport what it so desperately needs — one heavyweight champion willing to gamble on himself for glory.

"Nobody wants to fight anybody but me,'' Ruiz proclaimed. "They all need a lot of money to get them into the ring. Don't get me wrong. The money is great but this is my last chance to become undisputed champion. I'm looking at the history part of it now. I'd love to be the first undisputed Latino heavyweight champion in boxing history.

"The division needs one champion. It's dying. Nobody cares about the heavyweights any more. Klitschko wouldn't fight anyone who might beat him. The fans are focusing on the lower divisions because when those guys say they're going to fight each other it happens. That's what we need to do.''

With Klitschko no longer holding the WBC title and King in control of all four champions there's no reason why that couldn't become a reality in short order if there is a willingness on all sides, as there was a few years back among the middleweight champions, to crown one man. King could match the four champions on one card or spread them over two shows with the winners then fighting for the undisputed title.

To add to the interest he could stage an elaborate coin toss to decide the original seedings, thereby using the power of television to drum up increased interest in the first round of fights.

He could also stage an undercard featuring some of the prime contenders or even take it one step farther and make it an eight-man field with two cards of two fights each cutting the field to four men then one more big show to cut it down to the last two. The final show would then be the one for the undisputed heavyweight title.

The latter may involve too many bodies to suit either King or the fighters because it would eliminate some potential future challengers and involve outside promoters so the four-man tournament is probably more practical. Then all King would have to do is get financial backing from HBO and several casino sites or, if he chose, produce the shows himself on KingVision and make his own distribution deal.

There is more risk in the latter and King is as risk-averse as any of the reigning champions so he would prefer by far HBO's deep pockets guaranteeing him huge rights fees, but with Klitschko out of the picture for now the cable giant might be reluctant for fear someone like Ruiz, who, to be kind, is not a telegenic fighter, might win.

Yet King insisted this week it wouldn't matter who won because the process itself would legitimize the man left standing.

"Mercenary me could milk all four of these championships for a lot of money,'' King said. "I got $2 million out of Germany when I took Brewster there (last month to defend the WBO title). I got another $2 million to take Johnny Ruiz over there next month. After 37 years, I'm back out there promoting in foreign countries.

"But I'm ready to let these guys fight to crown one champion if they're willing to do it. It would be good for the sport. That's how Tyson became Tyson. He beat everybody else. We may have to swim through the shark-infested waters of the organizations to get it by the organizations but they will see it's for the betterment of boxing. Critics may say the people don't want to watch John Ruiz but if he faces every foe and prevails the people will recognize him.

"It would be great for the sport. It needs one heavyweight champion. Let's face it, the heavyweight division is in the doldrums. This is a way for the people to see these guys fight each other. That's what the people want. They want to see the best fighting the best.''

Although none of the champions will ever be considered among the best who ever fought, each brings something to the table. Rahman and Brewster can punch. Byrd is the longest reigning champion, having held his title since 2002, and is the most artful boxer of the four. Ruiz is the first Latino ever to hold a portion of the title and although he does not fight with a style that's pleasing to his main constituency, it's likely they would rally around him if he was in such a two-fight tournament.

Another intriguing aspect is even after it was finished other fighters like the younger Klitschko, Brock, Peter and perhaps the by-now-healed elder Klitschko would be available to challenge the new champion. If King were really lucky, perhaps one of the defeated ex-champions would also have fought courageously enough to convince the public it wants to see him get a second shot at this newly undisputed champion.

The possibilities are limitless but the pitfalls are many because this is boxing, a place where logic and common sense seldom surface. Vitali Klitschko has done what he could to change that dynamic by retiring after suffering with thigh, back and then knee injuries that convinced him it was time to walk away at 34 because he was looking at being out of the ring for nearly two years by the time he would be fit enough to fight again.

"It was a very bad (knee) injury,'' said promoter Bob Arum, who had won the purse bid to stage Klitschko-Rahman. "He was told it would take six months of rehab before he could begin sparring. That's nine months before he could fight again after a layoff of 11 months already. You're talking about nearly two years of not boxing. I tried to talk him out of retiring. I told him to just give up the title because they were going to take it any way and see how he felt after his rehabilitation but he just felt his body kept breaking down and he couldn't live with that.''

In a prepared statement, Klitschko confirmed that while insisting the decision to leave the unique playing field of heavyweight boxing was not an easy one, despite some like Rahman and Ruiz, who have long questioned his willingness to fight anyone of substance if he could avoid them.

"Lately, I have been spending more time with my injuries than with my opponents inside the ring,'' the statement from Klitschko said. "The decision to retire from professional sports was a very difficult one, one of the hardest I have ever had to make. I love boxing and am proud to be the WBC ... heavyweight champion but I would like to end my career at its peak so I am retiring now as the champion to clear the way for my successors.''

For the short term that would be Rahman but King is already plotting a way to match him with Toney, who defeated Ruiz earlier this year only to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs and have that WBA title stripped from him and returned to Ruiz. King hopes to make that fight for February. And what would be better for Toney and Rahman, who was defeated by Ruiz in an earlier WBA title fight, to take on the WBA champion next since both feel they have unfinished business with him and the winner would have a title and a chance to add a second belt to his collection?

Then King could match a clear contrast in styles on the other side of the tournament with the power punching Brewster forced to face his fleet-footed cousin Byrd in a real family feud? Story lines would abound and if the entire thing was already set up so there could be no glitches moving on the public would have renewed curiosity at least if not real interest in the division if for no other reason than to see who finally emerges at the end of it all.

Certainly such a tournament can't hurt, which in itself would be a first for a division seemingly obsessed with self-immolation.

"We can get some fights going if these guys want to fight,'' King said this week. "God did what Don King could not. He got Klitschko out of the way. If the rest of these guys don't want to fight each other, I'm not going to protect them. I'll let the world know what heavyweights want to fight.''

Ron Borges is an award-winning sports writer for the Boston Globe and a contributor to BoxingScene.com.
 

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mofo King will sell sand in the desert!!! What's worse is that it will be bought! I've said it over and over, there needs to be some young studs stepping onto the scene...
 

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Maan. So what's the next big fight goin down? We been on a drought lately.
 

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I didn't see the fight; BUT I CAUGHT THE BODY SHOT ON ESPN....DAYUM!!! IT WAS NICE, BUT NOT AS NICE AS ROY JR LAID INTO THAT THAT BOY FROM ND (former champ)....
Mayweather wins welterweight debut after referee stops fight
Nov. 20, 2005
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PORTLAND, Ore. -- Floyd Mayweather Jr. wasn't slowed by seven extra pounds.
Displaying the hand speed and superior defense that are his trademarks, Mayweather rolled to a decisive victory in his welterweight debut Saturday night, stopping Sharmba Mitchell in the sixth round at the Rose Garden.

Mayweather ended the non-title bout with a straight right hand that landed below Mitchell's rib cage. Referee Richard Steele counted to nine before waiving and stopping the fight with Mitchell sitting on the ropes in pain.

Mitchell seemed to complain that the punch was low, but replays showed it was above the belt. After the fight, Mitchell said he actually complained that the fight was stopped.
With the win, Mayweather confirmed his claim to be the best fighter in any weight class, the so-called pound-for-pound champion. Most observers agreed with him after he demolished Arturo Gatti earlier this year.

"I was a little anxious," Mayweather said. "I wanted to outperform the Gatti performance -- that's a flawless performance. It's hard to beat that."

Undefeated in 35 fights, Mayweather, who has won belts at three lower weight classes, was in control from the start, landing straight right hands with ease. He absorbed little punishment from the 35-year-old Mitchell, a former 140-pound champion who was making his second appearance as a welterweight.

Mayweather won every round of the judges' scorecards, landing 85 punches to Mitchell's 31. Sixty-five of his punches were power shots. The knockout was the 24th of his career.

"They say I can't punch," Mayweather said. "But 24 out of 35 -- I must getting them out of there."

Mitchell was active in the first round, but the southpaw's jab couldn't penetrate Mayweather's defense. Toward the end of the round, Mayweather combined a hard right with a left hook that had Mitchell grasping for his opponent's waist.

Mayweather used a straight right to send Mitchell sprawling to the canvas in the third. He kept the pressure on in the fourth, teeing off on Mitchell, who late in the round had his elbows pressed to his ribs and his hands in front of his face to block a flurry of blows.

Mayweather, the WBC champion at 140 pounds, said he decided to fight Mitchell after potential bouts with a host of bigger-name fighters couldn't be negotiated. The WBC 140-pound champion could return to that weight to face IBF champion Ricky Hatton, or he could stay at 147 and challenge welterweight champion Zab Judah. He could also press for lucrative fights against former champions Oscar De La Hoya and Shane Mosley.

He said he'd even go up to 154 to face Winky Wright. :rolleyes: (I don't think he is ready to fukk with Winky just yet :smh: )

"It don't really matter. You can go to any weight class if you've got skills."

Mitchell fell to 56-5. All of his losses have come to fighters who were or were to become champions. Knocked out in two of his last three matches, this might have been Mitchell's last major fight. Kostya Tszyu dispatched him in the third round last November.

Mitchell connected on only seven of his 144 jabs, and his shifty movement couldn't keep him from Mayweather's power. He said he plans to keep fighting.

"I want to get to 60 wins, that's four more," he said.

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Taylor over Hopkins in a decision...

Looks like the same case as what happened in the last fight, the only difference being that it looks like Taylor got swelled up...

Hopefully I'll get to catch the replay next Saturday
 

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Saw the replay of the Hopkins/Taylor fight....

One of the few things I hate about boxing is that bouts can be bought off...DiBella had something to do with that first bout, and I wasn't convinced that Taylor was better than Hopkins in the 2nd fight. They (Taylor's camp) does not want to put him in against Winky so soon, so that matchup (if it happens) won't be until around August....

At least we have a few good matchups per month in early 2006...

Jan. - Momeck/Bell (undisputed 190lb. title), Judah/Baldomir (undisputed 147lb. title), Pacquiao/Morales II

Feb. - Castillo/Corrales III (unified 135lb. title), Vargas/Mosley

March or April - Mayweather/Judah (undisputed 147lb. title)

May - De La Hoya/Mayorga (WBC 154lb. title)
 

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tp2001 said:
Saw the replay of the Hopkins/Taylor fight....

..... and I wasn't convinced that Taylor was better than Hopkins in the 2nd fight.....
Haven't caught it yet, but will keep this in mind since you seem to be one of the true fans of the sport that speaks up here. From what I am hearing, seems like they can dismiss an old warrior in a lighter class quicker than they can upgrade the heavyweight classes :smh: Taylor had a Great Run and I hate to see the end of his dominant era, But....
Anyways, a few of these boxers talk about Winky 'cause that will be a money bout. I want to see Winky get paid, but these cats ain't ready...
 

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It sucks to be Winky Wright...At least the WBC ordered DiBella (that chump) to negotiate a date for Taylor/Wright with Gary Shaw. Then Taylor can't duck Winky no matter what...

The problem is though that even if Winky wins, who else would he fight? There would be a rematch clause, but after that, what does he do? Too bad his style doesn't match up well with fighters, or else he would've had more lucrative fights earlier in his career.
 

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Once Winky can get that Belt, he will get PAID regularly even if he fights bums...One of these promoters are thinking about that 10% plus.... :yes: :smh: :rolleyes: :hmm:
 

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The problem is though that even if Winky wins, who else would he fight?

IF Vargas beats Mosely, I heard that HBO would want a Wright/Vargas rematch. But you're right, Wright's stuck with no one to give him a decent challenge.
 

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IF Vargas beats Mosely, I heard that HBO would want a Wright/Vargas rematch. But you're right, Wright's stuck with no one to give him a decent challenge.

It would be a cold day in hell before Wright would fight Vargas again. Vargas refused to fight him years ago. HBO would have to offer Winky millions for him to consider that....

Also, word just got in that Jones will finally fight Hopkins for a rematch (March 11th) 12 years in the making. Although I would like to see it, I think that it is about 3 years too late....
 

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Re: So much for Mayweather vs. Judah....

Last Saturday, Zab Judah faced Carlos Baldomir in what was supposed to be a tune-up fight for a superfight against Floyd Mayweather. After a lackluster performance, Zab loses a unanimous decision to Baldomir, making Carlos the WBC champion and leaving the other welterweight titles vacant...

Thanks a lot, Judah.....not only you screw up your biggest payday, but Mayweather's as well and possibly one of the largest PPV draws of the year.
 
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