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The Types that Join the ARMY

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How come most of them seems to come from poor background,uneducated and after joining it they all seem to have been brainwashed and they often come out as waaay too patriotic to a country that will definetly abandon them after they left Walter Reed...

Is it fair to say that most of them couldnt live in the real world and just gave up easily or what?

And how come they dont have Middle classes and upper classes folks joining the Army? I am talking about those from Yale and Good schools as such...

Why?
 
Ideally any branch of the military would like to get a good mix of people since they have a variety of jobs to fill - some require almost no prior skills and experience, and some require a lot. So if people were flocking to the military in droves, they could pick and choose the people they wanted for jobs - some from low educational and economic backgrounds, and some from higher levels.

But let's get back to reality. Some people in lower income places do not have very good job prospects since education may not have been stressed or completed. So someone coming along offering a job, any job, may be more successful in those areas. I don't think it's that recruiters think the people will be "less missed," but that they will be more open to taking a thankless and hazardous job. :smh:
 
You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I know several officers who were Ivy League grads and know many enlisted men who graduated from outstanding schools, Penn State, U of Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, Duke, Colgate, Boston College, and UCLA among many others. They all came from middle-class backgrounds. There are some people who really are patroitic and want to give back to their country. all of them have gone on to leave successful lives.
 
boro said:
How come most of them seems to come from poor background,uneducated and after joining it they all seem to have been brainwashed and they often come out as waaay too patriotic to a country that will definetly abandon them after they left Walter Reed...

Is it fair to say that most of them couldnt live in the real world and just gave up easily or what?

And how come they dont have Middle classes and upper classes folks joining the Army? I am talking about those from Yale and Good schools as such...

Why?
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Your demographics are not true at all....as a matter of fact, I find them to be very ignorant....


Its like this... and something us black people need to learn about.... while you think they are ignorant, brainwashed or whatever....

The rest of us call em....EMPLOYED......they have a job.

So the next time you wanna remark about someones character and background in the military.. think about the thugs, drug dealers, crack heads and all other street vermin in our neighborhood's that "prey" on decent law abiding black people. I would much rather have that same guy trying to do something for the benefit of the whole society as a whole, rather than killing and harming innocent black folk... and if you had any sense.. you would say the same thing....
 
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pfffff....

I had rather joined the army than stay in the PEEJECTS.

6 more months and Im eligible for retirement. Get at me when you have gotten that far in life in the civilian world.

Not trying to clown on you, but when I was coming up it was harder to come up in the civilian sector in NYC. It was drugs or jail ya know what I mean. So I had to make a power move and join the Army. Im not brainwashed like you say, I've kept it real all my career. Only the weak minded would let themselves get brainwashed.

I really don't know what you mean about brain washed. Describe this problem to see if I can relate. I've been around lots of soldiers and can tell you if you are right about this.


Peace.
 
The Reality is
ITS ONLY IGNORANT FOLKS ARE THOSE WHO JOIN THE ARMED FORCES DURING A WAR.... ESP ONE AMERICA IS LOOSING IN!

Then you got those college educated ones who thought everything was all good after the first Gulf War.

But on the real, AIRFORCE and NAVY is cool to JOIN RIGHT NOW if you need a JOB but If you join the Marines are Army right now, then yeah, your dumb.
 
Its a known truth that most of those military ads appeal to confused kids who are looking for quick money, a way out of dead end jobs, or a sense of purpose and of course many, in their poorly funded schools and impoverished neighborhoods, have never felt important or worthy of respect and this is the lure of today's humilation-focused military: Sign yourself over to us, accept whatever we dish out in perfect submission, and we’ll give you a prepackaged future (if you survive) and a uniform that other people will respect.

Now thats not something many from higher class,educated and well off would sign up for would they? I means seriously tell me how many senators sons are serving members of the Army? even the warmongers wouldnt allow their children to serve.Those kids who are more likely to have gone to Yale,harvard,Stanford,MIT,OXBRIDGE and so on would just go straight to work with CliffordChance,DLA PIPER and CREDIT SUISSE than sign up for Iraq

The bottom line is many joined the army for wrong reasons and after being lied to by the recruiters and i think thats wrong.
 
I was once ignorant like this until I actually spoke to people in the military :smh:

And to get far in politics, most politicians have served in the military.

Yale and the good schools :lol: That's like saying why should someone join the ABA, when they go to the NBA. They are going to make 6 figures and have had every advantage given to them in life, so why should they?

And of course recruiters are going to gloss over things. But I bet when you reach 40, you wouldn't mind getting healthcare and $20,000 a year.

Do you feel better about yourself because you weren't dumb and brainwashed enough to join the military :hmm:
 
A colleague of mine graduated from West Point with honors, has an MBA from Harvard, and is now in a doctoral program at Columbia. He's a high ranking officer in line to become a General, and has served about 20 years. Not to mention that he's one of the few African Americans to reach such a level.

E.O.T.
 
I have two homes, one in Texas and another in VA. I own a BMW M3 06', a Dodge Charger 07' and a Ford Taurus station wagon 01'. My credit score is above 760, I have all types of investments and a Bachelors Degree in Business which I got for free. In three years I retire from the Army at the tender age of 39.

I've lived in Hawaii, Texas, Va, NY and I'm currently living in Germany, I have visited Thailand, Korea, Australia, Egypt, Cuba, Jamaica, Bahamas, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Panama, Rome, Barcelona, Ibiza, Monte Carlo, Switzerland, Paris, and Amsterdam. Two tours in Iraq and one in Desert Storm.

In saying all this, I'm from Detroit's inner city and at the age of 19 I did not have a clue on want I wanted to do with my life except for hangin' with my boys and hustlin' my ass off. Coming from a poor background I didn't have many options so I joined the Army and it benefited me tremendously, but it is not for every one. It was a stepping stone that help me and many others to achieve their goals.

It's very obvious that you don't have a clue on everyone that joins the military. Just Google it and I bet you will be surprised who all has served there country.
 
boro said:
The bottom line is many joined the army for wrong reasons and after being lied to by the recruiters and i think thats wrong.
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Geez... and what do you think the "drug" dealers say to their new young dumb recruits,.... I think many of them take on the job of sellin "crack" after being "lied" to by the drug dealers...
 
I still don't understand why we reply to these dumb ass fucking threads anymore, brothers.
 
Ebony Nfatu8tions said:
IIt's very obvious that you don't have a clue on everyone that joins the military. Just Google it and I bet you will be surprised who all has served there country.
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You're absolutely correct... Some of these guys couldn't t get a clue even if you put right in there hands and told em the answer.

All I can really think to add is... when i enlisted years ago while still in high school... the guys that tried to make a big deal out of it for me thought they had better career choices...They went on to become career criminal's and drug dealers.... a coupla of em are even dead.

Again... its a choice each individual has to make on his own.... but I am proud to know I did it and it and in return, it paid for my college education.... at a major university...
 
im not against those who join the army but if you join at this particular time in life then you got issuesl!
 
rather than deleting a thread maybe we can have a discussion about the issues. I think the best option would be counter arguments than deleting a thread how about that?

Anyway looks like for some joining the army might benefits. Risks too, but for poor people the risks are small, and the rewards great. For middle and upper class, the rewards are small compared to what they already have, yet the same risk - it generally isnt worth going to the army for middle-upper class.

Thats why they would rather pursue careers in Finance,Law or Medicine.

Maybe the recruiters dont tell the whole picture and maybe this is done deliberately by the Army.
 
Pat Tillman past up millions to join the Army, but he's not the only one. I have a friend who's father is like a billionaire, I asked him why would you even think about joining the Army? His reply "That's his money, I have to be able to take care of myself". People have all different reason for joining the Army, but best believe all do not come from poor backgrounds.

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The 75th Ranger Regiment, 82d ABN Division, and just about all the Special Operations units are filled with people who had money before coming in.

Hell, I know a Doctor who gave up his practice to become an Infantry Specialist in a Ranger Battalion.

It's not just Tillman. Plenty of other people have done it, too. They just made an issue out of Tillman. Not the military, others people who got word he had joined.

I learned early on in the business to take care of my money from some former powere players on Wall Street who now fly helicopters.
 
J Storm said:
The Reality is
ITS ONLY IGNORANT FOLKS ARE THOSE WHO JOIN THE ARMED FORCES DURING A WAR.... ESP ONE AMERICA IS LOOSING IN!

Then you got those college educated ones who thought everything was all good after the first Gulf War.

But on the real, AIRFORCE and NAVY is cool to JOIN RIGHT NOW if you need a JOB but If you join the Marines are Army right now, then yeah, your dumb.
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Co-sign :yes:
 
But if it were that good in the Army why would they spend so much money recruiting young kids to join? Surely as some military folks here seems to to have indicated in their responses that ARMY IS GOOD, how come the military is saying they have a problem in recruiting new soldiers?

Everyone wants to have education,travel adventure and good life but still not many people are signing up why?
 
femmenoire said:
Another Anti-American thread.Clean your house before you talk about someone else's.[/size]
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Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn't need any legislation, you wouldn't need any amendments to the Constitution, you wouldn't be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now....
No, I'm not an American. I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag- waver-no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare....

-MALCOLM X "The Ballot or the Bullet," April 3, 1964, at the Cory Methodist Church in Cleveland, Ohio
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/malcolmxballotorbullet.htm
 
boro said:
But if it were that good in the Army why would they spend so much money recruiting young kids to join? Surely as some military folks here seems to to have indicated in their responses that ARMY IS GOOD, how come the military is saying they have a problem in recruiting new soldiers?

Everyone wants to have education,travel adventure and good life but still not many people are signing up why?
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They spend more time recruiting youngsters because just as any job or church for that matter, they have to deal with less disillusionment, and yes they are able to brainwash people. which is the part I hate. But in retrospect, I wish that I would have taken this offer from the Naval Academy when I was 16-17...... I would have definitely been a lifer...... and would have retired by now. Being in the Navy during peacetime. One of the best experiences you'll ever have. Right Now, the Private Sector is so damned cutthroat and it is hard to establish your own business....... Everybody is brainwashed,one way or another.......BTW, its wartime, and no one believes in Bushs war. Quit acting young man. I see African Americans on the streets who are already dead inside, why not take that part of you and be challenged by life AND learn how to live.........
 
boro said:

Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn't need any legislation, you wouldn't need any amendments to the Constitution, you wouldn't be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now....
No, I'm not an American. I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag- waver-no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare....

-MALCOLM X "The Ballot or the Bullet," April 3, 1964, at the Cory Methodist Church in Cleveland, Ohio
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/malcolmxballotorbullet.htm
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The America that exists today is NOT the same America in 1964.

Most black people are victims of their own social and educational atrophy then some unseen racial barrier by the government or as I said earlier, the private sector. We ALREADY know that we have to work 2-3 times harder..... Just do it and make NO excuses!!!!!!!! Malcolm was the man, but if foreigners can come over here and make it, even Africans, so can African Americans.
 
recruiters would go on that: "You get to travel, get paid while room and board is provided - yeah, you save that money. You can apply for GI education. Life is pretty fucking good in the army"

But what's the downside?
 
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me personally i couldnt fight for this country...what has america done for me besides take my taxes and give me a disadvantage just because of the color of my skin? but im not knocking anybody who is in the army. its all personal at the end of the day. do you!
 
and another thing....why cant they take the homeless and the inmates instead of recruiting people? actually i take inmates back that's prolly not a good idea....but u can take the homeless and clean them up and give the same room and board....once they eating rite they'll have enough strength to hold that rifle
 
HandsSolo2K5 said:
The America that exists today is NOT the same America in 1964.

Most black people are victims of their own social and educational atrophy then some unseen racial barrier by the government or as I said earlier, the private sector. We ALREADY know that we have to work 2-3 times harder..... Just do it and make NO excuses!!!!!!!! Malcolm was the man, but if foreigners can come over here and make it, even Africans, so can African Americans.
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Thats an interesting point. But in my opinion i believe that hard core unemployment and underemployment amongst African Americans has more to do with structural changes in the economy and less to to with traditional issues of supply and demand (labor immigration being among them)

There was an interesting story in the LA Times which reported the large and successful recruitment of Latino and African American ex-convicts and gang members into what was formerly the highly segregated building trades. The story pointed out that when given a chance to work in good paying jobs where one's personal dress and attitude less important that one's work performance these men found good employment and a way to turn around their lives.

So I disagree that African Americans are victims of their own creation.And yes racism and a bigger chunk of capitalism plays a bigger part
 
boro said:
How come most of them seems to come from poor background,uneducated and after joining it they all seem to have been brainwashed and they often come out as waaay too patriotic to a country that will definetly abandon them after they left Walter Reed...

Is it fair to say that most of them couldnt live in the real world and just gave up easily or what?

And how come they dont have Middle classes and upper classes folks joining the Army? I am talking about those from Yale and Good schools as such...

Why?
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I don’t agree with you here. I know a lot of intelligent people who came from a lower economic situation and joined the military. They didn’t join the military because they were not intelligent and didnt have a plan. They joined the military to get their secondary educations paid for by Uncle Sam.

It’s all about a means to an end. If you don’t have the means to go to college, then you have to sacrifice so you can get the $$$ to go.
 
bromack1 said:
So the next time you wanna remark about someones character and background in the military.. think about the thugs, drug dealers, crack heads and all other street vermin in our neighborhood's that "prey" on decent law abiding black people. I would much rather have that same guy trying to do something for the benefit of the whole society as a whole, rather than killing and harming innocent black folk... and if you had any sense.. you would say the same thing....
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FUCKING CO-SIGN!

Someone has to be in the military. Don't get it twisted. People that join have heart! Just because you don't agree with the war and it's policies doesn't mean the people that fight them are idiots. They deserve our utmost respect!
 
boro said:

Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn't need any legislation, you wouldn't need any amendments to the Constitution, you wouldn't be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now....
No, I'm not an American. I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag- waver-no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare....

-MALCOLM X "The Ballot or the Bullet," April 3, 1964, at the Cory Methodist Church in Cleveland, Ohio
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/malcolmxballotorbullet.htm
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I would let you know there are 42 million black people in America. This victim roll you play does nothing to advance your cause. What do you propose we do? As I've read your threads i've heard nothing of action in the way of a solution. You complain and complain about the way things are. I have a solution that might well help you - leave America. You will no longer have to deal with all of that non-sense (your opinion) you are advocating.
 
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I would let you know there are 42 million black people in America. This victim roll you play does nothing to advance your cause. What do you propose we do? As I've read your threads i've heard nothing of action in the way of a solution. You complain and complain about the way things are. I have a solution that might well help you - leave America. You will no longer have to deal with all of that non-sense (your opinion) you are advocating.
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What a wonderfully intelligent and erudite counterargument you offered. But not really enough substance to it I'm afraid, do try again. Ohh you asked about the solution...well,number one soultion would be people should be left to chose to join the army at their own will and not bribing them by offering free educatation, something that they should have been free in the first place.
 

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